you are people who do not have the right to promote these ideas in the public space, they really begin to plant. yes indeed. especially, of course, we know, this monstrous lawsuits after the sixth of january, supposedly the first year of the twenty-first, you understand, and at the instigation of trump, they attacked. everyone is tired of talking. listen, there were so many fbi agents provocateurs who organized all this, they didn’t call anyone, they didn’t imprison anyone, they didn’t interrogate anyone. and you know what it seems to me even more, of course awesome. today, for several days, ilon brain honors him with their praise. uh, well, sometimes multibillionaires are also noble people. here he releases all closed

e messages. who were on twitter and shows, well, what democracy, what principles of democracy, what respect for american democracy after what elon musk exposes if the national committee of the democratic party, using the fbi and the cia, yes, anyone. in general, they slowed down and censored a certain message, if democracy means free elections, competitive elections, such a level of use of administrative resources. it seemed to me that this was only under soviet totalitarianism. it could be, but it is absolutely totalitarianism, when it is considered normal and they involve fbi officers, the cia, other special services and

the national democratic party, their committee and the current government and presidents and other officials from the ministry of justice there and so on. they are all involved in this business. but excuse the america that i loved i have a question i uh i asked one fairly prominent head of the law enforcement system in russia how many people are in russia because they were homosexual lesbians, and now they were actively engaged in their personal lives in this regard. what number do you think he gave me? how did you guess? i knew that you would guess andronicus a question for you. how many people do you think are sitting in

american prisons because they objected at these parent- teacher conferences to what is taught in schools? i think that well just a few dozen, if not 100. i think i can’t tell them how many are sitting, because , unfortunately, i could not find such statistics. but they were arrested for this, indeed, we listen to several dozen. yes, and that's why i have a question for you when the united states, which for decades, told russia how to borrow american liberal values, how did we get to such a life when the united states is now beginning to demand not only within its own country, but outside in foreign policy, to

other countries followed the new american norms. moreover, the norms that have been introduced literally over the past few years, and i am most interested in your opinion. is this a serious irritant in russian-american relations? i'll start with the last dmitry. i think this is a serious irritant in the relations of the united states with the vast majority of non- western countries and russia and china and india, the countries of the middle east, latin america and africa, now washington is ending the us method itself. africa a big event 49 african presidents came to washington and the administration is there. biden, really lectures african countries about the rights of lgbt people and about the right of minors to determine their gender independently. this causes potter sex not only at the level of identification itself, but at the level

of surgical operations, this is what causes otp in uh, actually those people who came to washington and, of course, this uh leads to increased disengagement and rejection of the united states and those values ​​that the united states promotes. this is the first second dmitry it seems to me that we are observing him. you correctly said how we came to life is not a revolutionary, but an evolutionary change, because what has changed is a specific value basket, but the very principle that the united states has the ultimate truth . and that these are the values ​​that the united states believes in. and now yes, at this particular moment in time, these values ​​can change. yes, in the 19th century there was one valuable the basket is in the twentieth, the other is now the third, but the very principle that the united states has precisely

universal and only correct values, and all other points of view are wrong. after all, this principle has not changed. yes, the specific content is changing, but not, uh, the principle itself, and the third, but the collapse of the soviet union and the collapse of the world communist system, which still had a disciplining effect not only on american foreign, but also on domestic policy, because it was really competition of development models, a and this stimulated the united states to try to become better, to prove that they are more successful attractive than the soviet union but now the united states we have proved the principle that power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely when competition, including ideological competition, has disappeared a word about why competition is necessary, and right away, uh, the united states, their

political system began to degrade and now we really. eh, we're seeing something evolutionary, but the rebirth of the united states as opposed to what they originally stood for and what the founding fathers especially stood for. this is a very significant statement. andronicus what do you think? i wanted to go a little further and continue this thought dmitry you all know one outstanding person, unfortunately, the recently deceased steve coin steven is a very famous american professor, one of the best professionals, and so on. when i arrived, here in the eighth year, and then all these years, while he was alive and regularly communicated often met, and he says, you know what a tragedy i am going through, he says it personally, i say, dmitry, you

know this, because you were then participants in this case. during perestroika, he was a colonist in himself for the new york and appeared on television on himself. and he says, jerk. you understand, when the soviet union was in the cold war, such a frontal confrontation could speak out and express different points of view. and today he says no, i'm not a slow, well, the issuing last ambassador united states aide was president reagan, tam and so forth. if they let them go anywhere, and then they say, the kremlin is a useful idiot, that is, they are actually disavowing them now. they don’t need to say it now, it’s enough to say, and he supports putin, or you don’t even have to say, he still supports. he sounds like putin yes, you

understand that, what is it? i want to loop now. this is the statement of one thought of an outstanding person who is actually the main pillar of liberal democracy john the steward of the world. here he is in his work, and democracy spoke. apparently, anticipating what all this can result in, if we say freedom and democracy will win everywhere, all the same, even artificially, it is necessary to maintain an environment of competitive thinking and competitive polemics, and the advantages of freedom of tolerance and a new point of view, and so on, because otherwise a situation may arise that the people who must defend and defend the system exist. they will not be ready, when

others come and say you are tired of you, we must destroy and throw you out of here. this is john stewart mill said that even artificially it is necessary to create this situation, and there is destruction, total destruction in the bud and at the helm, this is the abolition of culture, this is the so-called this is the most dangerous thing that is happening, of course, the very thing that it is trying to impose on others. and the most dangerous thing is that before the last crisis in ukraine began in 2013, before russia led a limited contingent to syria, before all these complications, the topic of russian internal order was already there. and that russia does not obey the united states i'm not for water conversation in 2007 at the

meeting of the g8 in st. petersburg russia there was very often the g8. and the well-known andronik is a high-ranking one to you, and the employee of the white house is not one of the most stupid, but said in all seriousness to his russian colleague in all seriousness, but what? are you constantly talking about the situation on the beams? we told you that we do not discuss this topic from here. and that's all, but the last thing i wanted to say today, summing up, e, the results. i would be interested dmitry to you reacted to my summing up. this, of course, is today's announcement that the united states is apparently going to supply

missiles. e. patriot anti-aircraft, and anti-missile systems patriot e ukraine, what is interesting for me in this, firstly. this is what we have been told for many months that they will not do this, because it would be a dangerous escalation. but now, apparently for some reason, if this message reflects reality. apparently, he is considered either less dangerous or believes that it is the danger is justified. secondly, it is not for me to tell you, because you are an arms control specialist , that for many decades, decades, and the soviet union then russia, stubbornly upheld the principle that air defense missile defense systems are most directly related to strategic stability, because if if you have reliable

anti-missile and air defense systems, then you involuntarily have the temptation to more freely, but to dispose of your offensive weapons. this is quite understandable. and now, if e in addition, but to the patriots. uh, ukraine will be supplied with, say, hymers with a wider range of actions, then this can be very dangerous, very destabilizing. eh, combination. and uh, russia will have to think about how to respond to that. and uh. i know that you, like me, are listening carefully to what president putin says about this. it seems to me that washington very often listens to him inattentively. there's righteous indignation from the start about any thing he says about the possibility of a russian response to

american actions seem to cease to look at the details, but president putin said a very serious thing. he said that russia does not have a pre-emptive strike doctrine and that russia is not going to follow the course that you set the pre-emptive strike, if you like, in the ranks of normal russian strategic responses in the united states. but here, if the so-called former partners. if they create their own pre-emptive strike potential, if these are not just talks, if these are real actions, then putin said that maybe, and it would make sense for us to think about something like that. i think this is a serious warning. i didn't see

washington really understand him. tell us what you think about this and how serious the appearance of patriots in ukraine would be, even if initially it would be a rather limited number of dmitry . adopted at the level of the department of defense in the united the united states is a seven-mile step towards, uh, a direct military clash between russia and nato and, first of all, the united states has once again stepped over that red line. they themselves also designated initially, because you are absolutely right. they said they were being tackled but threatened to be overstepped. yes, they said that deliveries of patriot are too destabilizing step, and too fraught with scaling, so we will not do it. now it has passed. uh, in the category of the possible, the second thing that

worries me in this case, uh, is definitely this decision is forced and it is connected with the depressing state ukraine is in today, both militarily and especially in economic and energy terms, but, and we see that, uh, the united states really. here's how the situation gets worse. uh, the kiev regime, the more desperate deeds, the united states go. and what leads me to think that petri is far from the last stage. and further, when the situation in ukraine will worsen even more and even more, the united states can take and other steps, and you are right, we can talk about the supply of western tanks and the supply of western fighters and the supply of long-range missiles and the supply of fighters capable of being carriers.

e of long-range cruise missiles is absolutely dmitry, and here we are no longer close to the threat of a direct military clash. and i'm afraid that it will happen at this stage. yes, and indeed the situation is fundamental. very dangerous, because the supply of petri - this indicates that the defeat ukraine is categorically unacceptable for the united states. and they are forced to take more and more escalatory steps in order to at least slow down this defeat, or even prevent it, yes, but since, uh, russia will do everything and is doing everything to ensure that this military defeat does take place, here we are really now, i don't know if the united states can stop, where can they stop? yes, because yes , the anti-missile and air

defense system, especially against missile defense wear very destabilizing. and in general, it was russia that always expressed concern regarding the deployment of systems in close proximity to russian borders, either it was about europe or it was about asia, too. by the way , china took the same position regarding petri - this is in japan and uh, in south korea now we can uh watch. uh, the united states may decide to deploy petrites. in ukraine of course, this will lead to uh, very destabilizing. uh, the implications for me are worrisome. so not only and not so much by itself. how much characterizes the trend from the trend, indeed, it is that we are moving towards a direct military clash. dmitry unfortunately, i agree with you. uh, i read about how, uh, on the eve of the first world war, sergei

witte was a former prime minister and one of the most prominent russian statesmen. that period, he was highly respected, and about kaiser wilhelm and knew his closest advisers well, and he visited, and he felt. if you want the smell, uh, gunpowder in the air, and he said, you know, i am convinced that the emperor does not want war. and in general, it’s not russian, the military command is not a cabinet, ministers, and i know everyone, they don’t want war, and they understand that this can be a very serious test for russia. and so they showed flexibility several times when disputes arose on the volkans, even in general, especially in bosnia, they allowed austria to do

some things that the shirosi considered inappropriate. he said never make a mistake. do not do it on the basis of the conclusion that from the fact that russia has shown this flexibility, she will show this flexibility endlessly, do not confuse hope in st. petersburg, and then it was the capital of russia, but they do from st. petersburg that russian steps will be perceived as well as good will and do not think that on this basis russia shove on and on and on i don't know if today, in our crisis of mutual trust, the united states is the west. i don't know if there is a person who could give such a warning washington in brussels in london but i want to tell you the danger is serious and real and uh, we

should think about it and tell our so -called partners in washington that we don't know exactly where the hell is? i don't know no one shares these things with me. even if they themselves have er, decided. well, i know that we are dangerously approaching this line and we need to stop. dmitry and as the americans say, i can't agree even more . many thanks to you and andrey vsevich for this very interesting conversation. and we'll be back at the studio in a few moments. december moscow ice hockey tradition that has remained unchanged for many years tournament with a great history, our team will again find the first channel cup russia kazakhstan on saturday russia

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cnn first wrote about this yesterday. and today about this, as it has already been actually resolved. uh, the decision was written by all american mainstream buildings. both the washington post and the new york times, citing pentagon representatives, write that the decision has been made. agreed, it remains to be formalized in the form of a visa, and from the side of secretary of defense lloyd austin and uh, president uh, joe biden, but in fact, and the decision has been made, we don’t know yet. about what dates. what numbers are we talking about? ah, but what we know for sure is that this decision was given to the united states. not just. and it, by the way, testifies to how desperate and difficult the military and economic situation of ukraine is today , how not just the united states was given this decision, the washington post writes. look, this is going to be the most difficult

arms deal ukraine has received to date, said mark konchan, a retired officer from the center for strategic and international studies specializing in arms deals, if the ukrainians had a year or two to deal with the petriots. it wouldn't be a problem. i'm guessing the pentagon is very concerned, which is why the pentagon said over the end that the pentagon is taking a very big risk here in deploying the patriot system. i think they decided that because the need for air defense is so huge they are ready to take risks that they have not taken before. well, i have already said, uh, in a conversation with dmitry sals, that in this case i am worried not only about the decision of the papedre itself. there's a trend since, the more desperate becomes the position of ukraine on the more risky steps. the united

states is on the move, and based on this logic, it can be fully assumed that, the worse and further it will become, and the situation of ukraine and the economic and military. and it is indisputable that the united states will be forced to make even more risky decisions. and since a, the actual military defeat of ukraine, they perceive it as categorically unacceptable, as an actual defeat of themselves, and this will be their own defeat, since they really are the actual party, and in this conflict andrey arkadevich here is how russia can stop this trend. should this trend be stopped? how can we really prevent, and the supply of long-range missiles e from united states yes, and other weapons that can be much more dangerous in terms of escalation risks, but than the patriot system uh, the trouble is

that uh the united states today uh, are controlled by god knows who, and this is not my personal point of view. i heard about this from a lot of serious americans, not to mention people who are not, say, citizens of russia, but nevertheless ask exactly the same question. and uh, even if there was some kind of magic word or some kind of action, yes, which could produce on someone impression, then, uh, in the usual way of normal classical diplomacy. there is no one to bring this word to anyone. as for the military-technical answer, you yourself understand that everything is in the hands of the military here and there is such a version, which, in general, it makes sense to take a closer look, the united states of america they really expected to end this whole story with a brilliance with a cry and in no way thought about that it will continue like this and it goes into some kind of uncertainty,

so now, probably, there are those who it seems right to conduct these tests in the field of everything that can at the same time reveal more of our potential capabilities, that is, to conduct such reconnaissance of the battle. therefore, from the point of view of this version of a large number of new weapons, no one will be sent there. but the prototypes, so to speak, in order to test it all they will do. they understand that this cannot last forever. and in a hurry and quite rightly it was said here that, in order to prepare people, well, actually ukrainian people to work on such technique. time is needed, which means that there will be crews, which means that there will be units that come and these will not just be some amateurs or banal mercenaries, these will be people either with false documents or who have taken some kind of vacation. and of course, then in this case, uh, there will be a lot of things to remind me personally of vietnam , which i, in general, caught these events. true enough a young man. and when i, by the

way, tell, sometimes to people, uh, to a question. and what are we going to shoot down american planes? this is us they've already been beaten. we shot down thousands, when where, it turns out, they forgot about the vietnamese, therefore, when we say that america will be defeated by russia, this is also not the first here. i think we just need to keep doing what we are doing, but act consistently and professionally, and then we will succeed. well, i completely agree with you here. i must say that while the biden administration does not make a decision on the supply, just uh long-range missiles, a and other risky uh, fraught with escalations of systems. e weapons such as western e fighters, considering it really too dangerous. but they said the same thing. about peter, yes. uh, but the situation in ukraine has deteriorated sharply for ukraine and the west, and now this taboo has been overcome. and i mean neat,

yes, therefore, again it arises. uh, it's a reasonable assumption that the same thing could happen to other species. uh, armaments, even more so, uh, here is the uk secretary of defense ben wallace already uh, talked about what the uk can take a decision on e, the supply of e long-range weapons, and even more so to ukraine, and inside the united states itself, from the american allies, for example, from the baltic countries, and poland, there are open calls. uh, provide ukraine with long-range missiles. for example, listen to the point of view of the former deputy secretary of defense of the united states erikadelman. the administration is holding itself back too much because of the threat, supposedly. escalation spirals are possible, which are for the most part an illusory better option for everyone interested parties to ensure that the ukrainians were able to win as quickly as possible . therefore, it makes sense to give them attacks with gray needles

and prepare a batch of main battle tanks for transfer. well, those weapons systems that are called a, a edelman. and this is just long-range missiles and long-range drones. gray eagle and andrey arkadievich again to you. is he right when they say that the threat of escalation is illusory, he says that it is illusory, therefore, in fact, you can supply anything you want. and i let me remind you that russia, at the official level, a said that the supply of long-range missiles is just that red line, and overcoming of which the united states will no longer be an actual, but actually a party to the conflict. well, you know, she, uh, this side of the conflict is american and actual, which one do you want already? a long time ago yeah but uh, here it is today. eh, our position is simple, it was expressed. e in this formula. e that any weapon that enters the

territory of ukraine becomes a legitimate target. by the way, in this studio we discussed it more enough it's been going on for a long time and that's how it is. and more and more to the scale in this respect. here is what you said again reinforces this version. here's what else they want to test. so far it's impossible. it’s not for the americans themselves to send, as in vietnam . they will learn a lesson when they lost this insane amount of american slaves, they received it. they began to look for those who could be sent there as biorobots, but the trouble is, i repeat this again, that it is too technologically advanced, now the equipment cannot be used. just because take a club and run somewhere with it. and from here they had a dilemma, after all, it was not the current politician who spoke to him, it really doesn’t matter to him yes, but the acting ones also think, and they think, even like uh, what if the russians got some equipment. and suddenly they take more prisoners. what if these prisoners say something, so the situation here is not like that. uh, funny for washington. e

all the same, it still costs money. and by the way, to say that we will do these arguments here , then we will do them, but we don’t wait, when they do it all. it's not a game of giveaway, so uh, of course you have to be ready for anything. i would not like to forgive the situation in any way, but thinking that it's time to shout guard - this is definitely not the time. well, here i completely agree with you. and it's unlikely to change. uh, the balance of power is in favor of ukraine. and in the united states, uh, there is an obvious struggle between two philosophies of two approaches, a realistic approach that says that the most important thing is survival. and the liberal approach, which claims that the most important thing is leadership is an affirmation of american leadership. and here is an example of the first approach. and this is what he writes. um, american foreign policy analyst brian clark listen, ukraine is seeking to return all ukrainian lands that it took possession of before

the 2014 invasion, and here the desire of america and ukraine diverge, since such large-scale goals are not in the interests of the united states in the first place, this will jeopardize the only america's vital interest in this conflict, namely ensuring that no america's nuclear weapons need to be sober and realistic about its goals in the ukrainian -russian conflict fully restored ukraine is not worth risking a nuclear war on a fully sovereign ukraine at no more cost than cooperation and a productive relationship with moscow instead of pursuing ukraine's interests at the expense of its own . take it you need to prioritize washington should start putting pressure on kiev to live up to its expectations and be more receptive to some peace treaty. well, bright. uh, an example of the second view of the liberal point of view is, oddly enough, the former high-ranking

us military general david patrus, a who was the commander in chief of both iraq and afghanistan. then he headed the cia and now he claims that the united states should especially in ukraine and try to assert its leadership after leaving afghanistan, listen to his point of view. you must be confident in your abilities. we have a lot to do in this direction. this budget will help us, as far as our will is concerned, that is why our support for ukraine is so important, especially after the withdrawal of troops from afghanistan to show that the united states can and do lead the world and that they have the will on this so it should be in our main priority, support for ukraine should definitely be in the top 3 of our priorities, ivan alekseevich, that is, the united states is actually trying to take it. revenge after his own defeat of the shameful defeat of the flight. e from afghanistan now that's trying

to prove that no no, the american leadership is creepy that they are trying to impose defeat. uh, another great power, but here, trying to establish its leadership. they also come into conflict with what clarke warned about. that is, it can yield, actually the third world war. dmitry vyacheslavovich you are right, pointing out the phenomenal unusualness and stupidity of what is happening on the part of the united states, because , in principle, there is nothing unusual in the fact that the state sometimes resorts to very tough even a cruel means to achieve their own interests. a and. if others recognize these interests as legitimate, then, of course, one can criticize the means for propaganda purposes, but in general, everyone understands what is at stake. still, at

this level of international politics, some kind of informal recognition of the legitimacy of the interests of another, the validity of the interests, plays a very important role. a very important role. and if your interests are legitimately justified, then often. you can reach them and, uh, without using force, because others are more or less so. recognize and understand that you will use force for the sake of truly legitimate interests. how does the russian federation, for example, do this? over the past 30 years, the united states has begun to use force, for anything? and the actual national interests are somewhere far away in the list of what they use their determined forces for. i remember that in the nineties, back when the administration of the clintan was, and its early stage, and the model there, they all talked about listening to such a big army, and there is almost nowhere to fight, how to fight,

you need to think of something, how to use the military. so, they began to invent all sorts of missions for them, not quite military ones, and in general they are, and basically such missions where military victory as such is impossible. and on this a whole generation of generals grew up, and multi-star generals, as they say , savages, that is, everything, so to speak, in medals and all these awards, who perceive war not as an extreme means to achieve very important goals. and as some kind of percent, yes, that is war is not like such a harsh surgical intervention, which, well, you won’t go for every reason like that, you know military force, how such haste and even self-treatment here, which is applied simply uncontrollably, and here petre ios is a very bright representative of this generation, which he made his entire career and, by the way,

also made good money on the fact that war is, so to speak, for any reason unknown. it is not known why such a war. she becomes. you know something similar to e. uh, how ancient all sorts of ancient tribes were engaged in sacrifices, it is not clear how it works. well, we'll throw troops there, kill several hundred americans and an uncountable number of local natives, and you see that there are some, well, it will rain. yes, there we will get something that we want, therefore, this is not even considered. the thoughtless homeless use of the armed forces - this has become a tradition of the united states, but now they have come to something completely unusual use of the armed forces of the armed forces as such psychotherapy for ourselves, we are there here failed, shamefully fled. and now we will assert ourselves through a hybrid hybrid war.

that is, just for the sake of e healing, actually a psychological complex from this afghan -afghan disaster, we would arrange a hybrid war. uh, in ukraine, i have repeatedly heard over the past year, and this year also from american uh experts, that all this happened, because, as they say, we left afghanistan, they say, other countries felt america's weakness and decided you take advantage of it. this is some kind of madness guys a. weaknesses we basically thought you'd finally made the smart decision. we are ready to support you in this decision. we even helped you with this uh agreement of yours by the pillars so that you can leave normally. you screwed everything up and ended up leaving. so. how so how they left, although everyone helped you, no one gloated, but someone gloated about the flight of the americans. well, at

the level of rhetoric, someone tried to use it against them, no, but they convinced themselves that, supposedly the whole world accepted. it's like their manifestation of their weakness of weakness and wants to take advantage of this weakness. and this is their such a bad answer to their own. this means that this self -conviction that someone wants to take advantage of this weakness can only be concluded from this, they themselves. they know about themselves that they are weaker. yes, they definitely understand this for sure, but to enter into some more or less normal relations with others. they are not ready, because when they were strong and indicated, yes, what to do with them all. and when they became weaken, they are afraid, more or less on an equal footing with others. and, of course, these psychological complexes that we do not recognize anyone as equal e equal to ourselves, but to take revenge on someone for our own departure from afghanistan is crazy, but

in the united states it was very easy to convince ourselves of this, because one of the mother of their foreign policy thinking is the thesis that the alternative to american hegemony or as they call leadership. yes, it's chaos. this is really confidence that no one can live without them. deal. if they did what they themselves perceive as a weakening of american e american leadership, then there must be chaos. yes , they are what is happening, they perceive. this, of course, confirms this thesis. and, of course, i also agree with you, i agree after the end of the cold war, the use of military force became a preferential instrument of american foreign policy, not an extreme measure, but a preferential instrument for solving foreign policy problems, but here is another european country, a large influential country that is just pursuing a similar policy. this is great britain and moreover, in terms of the intensity and purity of provocations, uh, which the uk commits,

it even outstrips the united states in some ways, one can also recall the undermining of the northern streams. uh, and that's what the mentioned statement to ben wallace of the minister of defense that the uk can supply ukraine with uh, long-range systems in the uk is consistently strongly opposed to the policy of a diplomatic settlement, but to the ukrainian conflict. yes, and stands for russia's defeat is a recent statement. on this account, the british foreign ministers slandered james any negotiations should be real meaningful they cannot be just a hearsay to buy time for russian rearmament and further top soldiers negotiation. with good will, their rhetoric is still hostile. well, here's another question, where, again, is he trying to escape to the uk

ahead, and the locomotive, and, that is, ahead of the american partner - this is the story of the so -called tribunal, and the investigation of alleged russian war crimes in ukraine so this whole story is completely nonsense from beginning to end. and, of course, there will be no tribunal, because in order to create a tribunal, a resolution of the un security council is needed where a tribunal is needed to investigate ukrainian crimes, not russian ones. this is a tribunal. by the way, it will be, and today he even declared that a the european union of european union countries failed to agree on the establishment of a separate tribunal for ukraine under the auspices of the united nations, but according to the british tv channel news, british judges are already conducting trainings for ukrainian judges as part of the preparation of such a tribunal and, as it were, prepare ukrainian

judges for the relevant litigation is in charge of this case, the well-known british judge, howard morrison, who once ruled. uh, the decision on the case of radavan, karadzic in e. balkan e, voinakh igor georgievich here. how are you? explain this zeal. uh, the uk is not only on the tribunal. yes, this is more likely an information-psychological war, but in general in terms of approach, and the uk to. to this conflict with russia, uh, yes, apparently, this approach has not changed very much with the advent of rishi-sunak to the post of prime minister. well, if you don't mind, i will still respond to your last remark that british judges are training ukrainian judges. for what? yes. this is very interesting. yes, if you remember that britain has a completely different legal system. yes

, the case law is not codified, as in the rest of continental europe and well, in general, it's even funny how this british judges will prepare. uh, ukrainian judges. whatever it is, right? well, they just speak different languages. if, so to speak, with regard to britain well, yes, britain, on the one hand, is, as it were, the closest ally of the allied states within the framework of the existing special relations that were formed after the second world war and continues until today, and trying to show that here they are uh, well, everything, you and dad, what is called? even cooler than the americans can manage some situation, but this is only one side of the matter. and if the americans, as we have already said, are in the previous part, yes, they strive to maintain their leadership, then the british are now trying to show that they are still worth something, yes, and within the framework of its concept, global britain is aiming at some kind of -something global leadership, although no resources forces opportunities

and so on, of course, they don’t have it, but in any case, they are desperately trying to show that they are still worth something in modern world politics, including ukraine - this is such an important factor, as the british politician seems to them, and in order to show that we know something, even the main ones and political leaders are the same boris johnson yes, he even uh, argued his refusal to participate in the race for leadership in the conservative party precisely because he wants to maintain his leadership, like the main defender ukraine well, of course, he received an honorary title. yes, uh, south, uh, citizen. yes, an honorary citizen of kiev, yes, that is, such a big award, but nevertheless from the other side. it must be admitted that, of course, the british establishment in the modern. uh, there is a complete consensus, so about, yes, that is, opponents of e in any case, but the upper strata about the

british political elite, and in order to take such an anti-russian position about the ukrainian position in every possible way to support kiev , and uh, i think that soon we won't we will see how some changes in this respect. uh, but then again, let's wait until the next election, which is no later than january uh, twenty- five. then maybe something will change. it seems to me that this is not only anti-russian, but also the anti-european anti-continental european policy of great britain, because while taking such a tough position on the ukrainian conflict, but training ukrainian judges, e, and so on, dismissing the possibility of a political settlement, speaking of the supply of long-range weapons, and so on and so on and so forth, and great britain is trying to destroy the very hypothetical possibility

of some kind of independent policy of the continental countries of western europe, also of france and germany, and even more so of some kind of agreement between russia and the continental countries of western europe, in the event of which the international position of great britain is especially after brexit will become even more marginal agree with this. yes, absolutely right. i agree with this point of view that, of course, britain is now trying to assert itself and as such a leading and european power. yes, everything again. within the framework of the same uh strategy of global britain and the desire, let's say, to show that we did not leave the european union for nothing. we represent some kind of, uh, serious political force. this is certainly there, but it seems to me that here even a particularly entrepreneur does not need any efforts from britain, because among the countries - the european union there is also no internal agreement, the european union - is now seriously torn apart by internal contradictions on a number of issues practically

no uh initiatives that are now appearing, but all-european ones, let it be there on collective purchases, but natural gas. prior to the creation of some funds, but to overcome the crisis, the development of some kind of general strategy. they obviously don't work. yes, and they could not even agree on the next package of sanctions. uh, price ceiling, and for gas, it seems to me that well, probably the british. they see it too. this is also taking advantage. and well, we are ready to ascribe it, including to our own account. yes, here we are, with our policy we by their actions by their union in the united states. in general, we show who actually manages all the processes and the european union is the european confectionery country. they are already somewhere on the sidelines of history. well, uh, anyway, i think this whole situation is evidence that we are in a state of long-term confrontation with the west. and even after

the settlement of the ukrainian conflict in one form or another. and this confrontation will continue from the outside. west, uh, i'm very rare with something i agree with what jens stoltenberg, secretary general of nato, says . i agree only in mirror image. here, listen to what he said. strong , even if the fighting stops, we will not return to any normal friendly relations with russia. trust is destroyed. i think that the war had long-term consequences for relations with russia andrey arkadyevich after all, we could say and probably are saying the same thing about the west. well, what kind of trust can we talk about after of angela merkel's recent confession a and can we talk about the possibility of resuming a return to some kind of partnership with the

west after the end of the conflict? well, let's start with the fact that in the forty-ninth year nato was created as a military organization aimed at containing our fatherland with you and it cannot do anything else, simply by definition , and therefore, when this uh gentleman said that, but let's return to friendly relations. i don't know what he meant, whether the drop bombing plan means nuclear of our country, whether it means more. there is a great migration of peoples, which they conceived, or an attempt to destroy the soviet union first, and then everything else. i do not really understand what was meant, but here's what i understand exactly. so this is what we can't do under any circumstances. uh, an operation on the assumption that after a i have no doubt about it, we will achieve the goals set by the president of russia for a special military operation. eh, that's all, the rest will somehow go by itself and be sure, so, here, uh,

without any effort on our behalf. no, not so from my point of view. our task. she is multifaceted. on the one hand. there are, indeed, very serious military technical issues in the ukrainian theater of operations, but on the other hand. we now need to consolidate our efforts. well, seven billion people, at least. and this, in principle, is an impossible task, because there people in us, like us, are burdened. with this non-colonialism so that, uh, uh, these gentlemen who are now already a minority. uh, they were getting busier and more than a minority i will allow myself such a paradoxical phrase. this is also a completely possible story, all the more i repeat that here is their illusion that 2% of this ephemeral means the size of the world's gdp, this is russia, today they are convinced that fifty countries of

this blooming garden can not do anything about it we are growing, uh, state revenues from the trade of our resources are selling these resources less. we are reaching today. in general, unexpected even for us growth rates of a number of production. our military-industrial complexes now surprises everyone from the central administration to the discharged newspaper, the new york times. and that's all, it is, of course, worth a lot. but this is something that requires constant support for growth, and only in this case, only in this case, we will be able to ensure the true security of our motherland and the conditions for its socio-economic development. and to think that in the minds of this public is not quite normal from the point of view of psychiatry, but i would not want to, to be honest, we will now break for a few moments, then we will continue to talk about europe old money in a new fake, how ukrainians scare residents, liberated territories it

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