as you wish, if it sounded as you wish, then you have nothing to do with the swedish sound . here they are germans, so they were. she wants to be swedish. i look like them to zhilakhman roots. somehow we were unable to install. here we are, as it were, according to books, only german was given. they were, uh, swedish subjects. they were swedish subjects. they could sort of work with sweden very often so there were merchants who had direct transactions with the swedes. they could be swedish subjects, frankly, a blow. don't take away horn. this is my blood. here's the earliest who we found that's some action. he is carl, he was a pipe maker. what does a pipe master mean - it was he who made smoking pipes, yes, and he is who we

have to smoke, this is your great-great-grandfather, this is the ancestor of your family. and brand mary this is who the mayor's office is grand - this is his wife, an englishwoman, who comes from a very rich and english family, who she was born in arkhangelsk and instead lives in the british. she was born. as a result, we get, uh, the germans and the english were very russified germans and even swedes for pre-revolutionary russia are not exotic . but english roots are a rarity, now it becomes clear to yuri and eugene. why did their grandmother maria karlovna hitler often introduce herself as mary charles as for the german ancestors, then, judging by the surname in the 16th century, they were members of the geisler sect. analogous to the russian sect of the khlysty , the khlysty sect of christians, which arose in russia at the end of the 17th century, during the night services, the

khlysty scourged themselves with plaits made of against willow, introducing themselves into religious ecstasy, sectarians with traces of blood they kept them throughout their lives, and after death they were placed in the grave of the deceased, as evidence of his aristocracy , a religious movement of fanatics engaged in self-flagellation in medieval europe was born. there they were called geislers or flagellans, hiding from persecution. they fled from different countries some of them eventually settled in russia yevgenia simonova and yuri vyazemsky returns to moscow with an invaluable store of new knowledge about the history of his family, but an amazing discovery. this does not end there already in moscow yuri vyazemsky receives the result of the dna test. it was always believed in the family that stanislav stankevich, the grandfather of yuri and yevgenia potsu, was a pole, but contrary to all expectations, dna analysis revealed in yuri pavlovich

the type of male chromosome that is characteristic not of the poles, but of the germans. it turns out that the german roots in the family of evgeny and yulia were not only from their grandmother, maria gehner, but because of the grandfather with the polish surname stankevich in germany, i had an absolute feeling that they do not perceive me as foreigners. well they don't distinguish me, they in general, they accepted him, and you see, and it was confirmed. brother and sister yuri vyazemsky and evgenia simonova did a great job and found answers to questions that had occupied them for many years. for the first time they read the suicide note of the executed grandfather, they found germans and british in their family, they found out that their six-time great-grandfather, priest alexei, who owned serf explorers, could well be a descendant of prince athanasius vyazemsky, demoted by ivan the terrible. but the main thing is evgeny and yuri now. there is a large

family tree that they are proud of passed on to their children and grandchildren. still, it's great that we know the history of our family. and this should be so in every family, because to live without uh, knowledge without these without roots. it's wrong to be such a common truth. i 'll say it's scary, it's interesting, of course, to go so deep into history and reach a six-time great- grandfather, who was born a few years later than peter the great. in my opinion, this is very interesting, so i think there is no need to be afraid. on this difficult journey. she would try to find out their loved ones about their relatives about their grandparents and great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great area areas . he

calls himself a kamyshin traveler, because he was born in the city of kamyshin and has been traveling around the country for 4 years, aiming to visit all 1.113 small towns in russia over the past few years, hitchhiking around the country, he visited more than 300 cities in russia along the way giving lectures about travel and how to protect yourself and your loved ones from buying influence totalitarian everyone. and the story of his wanderings began quite dramatic even for schoolchildren, he ended up in sex. for 11 years he was engaged in missionary preaching, denouncing the new adherents of a totalitarian organization. but one day he realized that

he was not at all the master of his fate. after several unsuccessful attempts to leave all those who did not give up. the thirst for freedom was stronger. today, alone with everyone, the man who discovered freedom for himself ivan shiryaev , it’s good that in your travels you brought to the city of moscow and what can we do with to talk to you. how many cities have you visited, at the moment already today , 41, the city of russia is about 35% of the total . and what a strange idea it is to visit the cities of russia, to be honest. i dreamed about it since childhood, i loved to look at the map of russia to travel on it mentally. mom is a geography teacher. i think

that also had an effect. so to speak, you are hitchhiking or have already diversified. this is a variation of basically hitchhiking. i rarely use any other methods movement, in addition to the traditional hitchhiking. it happens railway stop hydrostop. and even an air stop is also possible. it's certainly much more difficult right in front of you, of course much more difficult and among the hitchhikers it's considered the coolest when the airstop is yes, yes, well, that's real too. i wanted to understand it for free, so to speak, when hitchhiking or hydrostop or air, stop, or still, so to speak, you need something some penny to pay it for free without money, but at the same time not for free driver who stops on the track to sum up the journey he is also waiting for something. uh,

basically this is communication, in order not to fall asleep at the wheel, especially if you are driving far, in order to pass the time sometimes, on the contrary, you need free ears a person who needs to tell something, yes, yes, and you are absolutely to this steering wheel ready to entertain your interlocutor and be these ears for the interlocutor, of course, this is a fare. well, here is your readiness. brought up on a in a sense, as i understand it, by your existence in the sect in which you spent many years. yes, there are a lot of useful skills in terms of communicating with people. i got it in the sect. this comes in handy in life, and you got into the sect. for such purposes. you needed to be a preacher. it was a necessary condition. uh, staying in a sect. it was necessary to spread these beliefs to involve new students. so it 's so to say, here they got a great skill and became more adept in this matter. in general, hmm, so to speak, not only are you not afraid

to talk about your stay in a sect, but even in a sense now it’s you are engaged in, it seems to me that it is also a kind of preaching only of the opposite sense in this, by the way, it is quite free and easy to talk about this topic, but it seems to you that this is some kind of important mission to inform people about what hmm totalitarian sects of this kind are to many people this topic. and has such an experience, uh, that not every person has. i try to share it. here, tell me, please, and how could it happen to you that you got into it? everyone who is 15 years old? usually children go where on the street there, yes in bad companies, relatively speaking, why exactly the sect has become your, probably, the usual standard teenage issues. what is the meaning of life to dedicate oneself to? and when i heard from my classmate that she attends religious meetings. eh, i was wondering, they read the bible there. they communicate there. they call each other brothers and sisters,

and i decided to go out of curiosity out of curiosity. and even out of a desire to mock these believers. and what happened? why didn't uh get bullied, what impressed me the most was how they welcomed me there a fifteen-year-old boy was surrounded there by the worries of attention, i felt myself. they gave me the opportunity for self-realization to be useful, they began to say that i can teach other people to perform in front of them from the stage. and naturally. i have caught fire to me will turn for advice. i will become so wise. yes, this attracts many people reacted when, in fact, they were attentive to your life or not. or he leaves and goes somewhere his parents thought that this was another of my many hobbies, and therefore, at first did not pass a value. what were your

hobbies before this? i loved pulling out election flyers from other people's mailboxes and pasting them on the walls in my room. instead of wallpaper. i loved to fill in all the coupons and order everything on them, which was probably free. i thought the day was over. in vain, if not a single large letter was thrown to me in the mailbox. and there were a lot of similar hobbies, so, well, i went to the meeting, nothing will pass either, as from letters. and when they realized that it did not go away, when i began to apply e in life what they taught me in the sect, when i began to refuse to celebrate new year's birthdays and other holidays, when i stopped communicating so closely with my relatives, that is, these changes became noticeable and naturally, they alerted my relatives, but you answered that i answered that is the only truth. everything else is the devil. it is necessary to go only this

way, as it seems to you, it is conscious in this or that section of the action. well, that's the kind of tradition that arises there. this is imposed by the leadership of the sect. and when you're there, uh, you think it's your own conclusions, conclusions, your own choice, but in fact it is imposed from the outside by repeated repetition of the same thing every day, they inspire you that you need to please god in this way to please god in no other way, including in terms of holidays. there is a conscious purpose in this to say that these holidays are not good for severing relationships with loved ones as much as possible. i think so, and it has a very fast and effective effect. obviously the first few years. you say this is the feeling so to speak, in inspiration and so on, and well, the year has passed well. well two there

was no doubt. you have only strengthened your sense that this is the very right path that you have chosen to doubt and critical thinking is not allowed. even forbidden are not encouraged in any way, of course, some doubts arose. well, there was simply no time to develop them to think about it. you get on the rails of this life and already out of the rut. you can’t go out the day literally by the hour, scheduled week after week and there is no time to think. you when hmm were still in school, because when this story happened to you, you did not experience any ridicule. for example, those who found out about what you did not hide, so to speak, that there were a lot of ridicule, but it was not difficult to endure it all. i don't know why, i tried to preach to all odnoklassniki and students. uh, tried to spread those beliefs. and maybe in the form that i am

firm on this path. uh, they didn't laugh so much, uh, but before you became a cultist, before these 15 years. what were your relationship, so to speak, it was my peers who from childhood considered me a jerk both at school and in other places. and in general, it was not difficult for me to be different from everyone else, when i, well, probably, differed in some way from other people, to run around at breaks to pull high school girls by pigtails. this is how it usually sounds. i would say, well, for some reason in our class one such person was somehow used to being treated like that. yeah. before becoming a sectarian. i was a trio. but the sect somehow had a positive effect on my studies. i am already e began to receive fours pyaterochki more often, because, again, the goal is the same.

let's testify to our lives. that i am a servant of god, and it has a good effect on me. you did not begin to receive higher education. still, higher education is not encouraged. why not that it is forbidden, but it is considered not a spiritual aspiration and on a person who is a sectarian. uh, getting a higher education will somehow look askance, as a person, well, who doubts something and sets worldly goals, not spiritual ones. how do you think, now what is the meaning of the prohibition of higher education, a person who knows less will doubt less and less likely that he will leave the sect was or some kind of commercial, constituting voluntary donations in this section. uh-huh well, i would not say that this was the main thing, they sectarians take something more valuable from a person than money. soul property. you no longer belong to your loved ones, but completely

obey sex and are ready. it is also forbidden to devote all your time and means to this matter in higher education. and what is allowed how to live? mostly members of the sect work. uh, janitors cleaners movers in the service industry it's rare to find a person, uh, who has a university degree in any significant position, if he even has a university degree, then most likely he received it before everyone joined. and who did you work for? i worked as a helper at a construction site, i worked as a cleaner of entrances. e so that the work takes only a few hours a week. you understand in your head all the time such thoughts that everything is outside the sect from satan. everything is in gloomy colors, drawn only within the community, perhaps real happiness,

true love, everything is correct and real. everything was done in her. from childhood, he did not develop relationships with other children. i, well, probably differed in some way from others. since childhood, everyone who attracted him, the attention with which he was treated there, considered me a jerk. i felt useful useful gave the opportunity for self-realization. certain thoughts and actions were imposed on him daily. you get on the rails of this life and out of the loop. you can’t go out the day literally by the hour, it’s scheduled week after week and there’s no time to think escape is the story of a former sectarian. the fact that you did not enter any institute threatened you with the army, and how is the situation with the army, how does not everyone belong to those who were, and it is forbidden to serve in the army yeah before the adoption of the law on alternative civilian service, sectarians were in prison.

uh. it didn't scare me. and so, when in 2004 the law entered the village, and in the alternative service. i was just ready, uh, for the call and served in alternative service. in the nursing home for 3.5 years as a ward nurse in the documents, it was listed as a nurse, because such a position was not provided for men, and oh, at that time, so to speak, you still continued to go to the meeting. that is, one does not interfere with the other. it was very difficult with an eight hour work day with such a busy schedule. but uh, sectarian affairs were more important to me, i quickly washed after work, dressed in a hurry to preach at the meeting. and so the service passed very quickly, partly thanks to this week the weeks went by very quickly. in fact , the choice was whether i would

continue to be a member of the sector, because if i accepted the army service, i would be expelled from there. and it was completely unthinkable for me at that time. and what happens to the expelled when an announcement is made in the congregation? let's say shiryaev is no longer our brother. they stop talking to the shalevy to say hello. he becomes a vile apostate and all ties with him are interrupted by none of his former friends. uh, acquaintances from the sect will not communicate with him if i have left a family, then even relatives will stop communicating. wow, you saw that. yes, of course, i saw it, but for a convinced sectarian. this, of course, hmm is not a reason to hesitate in something. on the contrary, you condemn the person who is condemned, uh, who is excluded. uh, you judge him and think, this is

worse than death. it would be better if he died than sinned. yeah, but you didn’t have such a situation that someone close to you some friend suffered in this way or made friends for communication, as and as ordered, otherwise it’s impossible, otherwise you will also be condemned. yes, well, that is, it turns out, that the leading feelings are fear fear fear and guilt guilt you constantly feel that you are not doing something, you are not doing something, that you need to do more and this is very depressing and constantly stress. yeah, every day, that is, there is such an ostentatious external love for each other at the meeting. well, coming home, everyone feels oppressed and exhausted. yes, this is it. i think the worst thing in the sect. uh, this is hypocrisy you

do what is expected of you, and not what you want or what your heart induces and hmm the sect deprives. e man freedom freedom practically in all areas of life. eh, they dictate to me. what kind of music to listen to? with whom to communicate? yes, who to marry, whether to have a beard, what to wear in everything i must obey strict rules. after all, after the army, you left for another city. why did i suddenly want to change, and the situation in my hometown was very difficult to preach. these preachers were well known there. i even counted in our city for one sectarian. there were few 200 civilians. i decided to move to another area to preach where it is.

the teaching had not yet been heard, and in fact, it was more interesting to engage in this activity there, people were more willing to listen. well, because they didn’t come back now, because rather tragic circumstances happened to your family with your dad. yes, after the death of his father. i had to take care of my cross babu. his mother and in connection with this returned to kamyshin not just passed away. he committed suicide, what happened, it's hard to say what actually happened, but in some way i feel guilty, because my father wanted to see me differently, he wanted to see my future differently. he wanted me to get a higher education, find a good job, provide for myself and become a successful person, eh, but i chose a different path and it bothered him. perhaps this influenced his decision to leave this life to contact before his death and somehow

talk to you. and it didn't quite work out. i usually come on vacation. i came home only for a week to see my relatives and meet everyone. and on the very first evening when i arrived home, my father hanged himself right in apartment. that is, it turns out that it was done in such a way that you would know it. apparently, yes, maybe he planned it in advance and decided to do it after waiting for me. this, of course, was a strong blow for me. eh, until now, thoughts about this haunt me, but eh, having returned to kamyshin, i continued to engage in sectarian activities, eh, and devoted myself to this. this event did not arouse your desire. so to say, to be closer to your family and yet. er, well, appreciate something else. well, brothers, sisters, brothers and sisters,

but here is the most dear blood, vice versa. e, in. that moment we moved away with relatives not with my mother, but with my father's relatives, because they accused me of my father's suicide, allegedly. i uh tried to persuade him to register an apartment for me or something like that, supposedly. i drove him to suicide. well, they had some similar thoughts. here but with mom. well, maybe not only because of the sect were removed, but also because they lived in different cities. and at some point, e you got married, married a girl, too, who was, so to speak, within the framework of this sect. this was due to that i liked you, and because that's the way marriage is supposed to be. i didn't mean to, at all in sex. hmm, marriage is not encouraged. yeah, not that it's forbidden, but the philosophy is so simple, if you can, don't get married, be

free to do sectarian deeds. if married, try not to have children, so that nothing distracts from the ministry. what if, god forbid, one child was born, well , try not to have a second one. well listen and and it's not well, so. you were familiar with this ideology, but it didn’t seem to you that it was, well, strange. no. i'm just, uh this is what i lived, i just wanted to promote these goals, and before the question, on which you probably answered more than once, maybe like a preacher, but be fruitful and multiply, no, yes, yes, but the answer is now the last in the days of this evil system of things , it is not prudent to give birth to children in this evil world. it is better to multiply spiritually, helping new disciples to approach god so that they survive. uh, those events that will happen in the future and before getting married. i

made sure that my wife, like me, does not want to have children, and only then we went to the registry office what is it, if you can not get married, do not get married, you could not help getting married, you fell in love with death. this is it, yes. and your chosen one, she, uh, too, so to speak , was in this section in her childhood. yes, my ex- wife. a has been in sex since childhood. and she continues to be there to this day. that is, you are a vile apostate and she is there. he did not understand that the sect deprived him of his freedom, they dictate to me. what kind of music to listen to? with whom to communicate, whom to marry, whether to have a beard, what to wear in everything is the most terrible thing in sex, he considers hypocrisy you do what is expected of you, and not what what you want or what your heart prompts you to do. he feels guilty before his father father wanted to

see me differently, my future wanted to see others, and he wanted me to get a higher education, find a good job, provide for myself become a successful person the story of the former setant 11 years you tried within this aa sect and why exactly after you got married some kind of worm, doubts always began to sharpen doubts in you, but i didn’t give, uh, critical thinking is forbidden to him to read some kind of third-party literature that former sectarians write what religion writes. vedas researchers can not, but there is still how modest lived. uh, worked as a janitor in the porches of money. i barely had enough to make ends meet, i had neither a computer nor the internet and, accordingly, it was not possible to find this information somewhere in order to set off my doubts.

we were given a laptop for the wedding and it all started with that. then you could not restrain yourself and climbed into the forbidden, secret from your wife, secret from your friends. i began to get acquainted with such information then, what former members of this sect write what other people write observers to read this you should have accumulated some, so to speak, a critical mass of your own inconsistencies that you wanted to double-check in other sources. what exactly by that time, there were a lot of such questions. uh, for example, the one about the alleged doomsday dates. in this sect several times. uh, a certain date was set when the end of the world should be expected, and people in those days were preparing for this

date by selling their property completely dedicated sermons, and then bam date came no end of the world on. yes, there were many disappointed, of course, you wait and wait. the end of the world, it will never come, and the strongest impression on me was made by two books that were written by a former member of the governing council of this sect. this is generally unheard of because of their entire history, the situation when one of the most important leaders, who was there since childhood, spent 60 years there, did just that. suddenly, bam was disappointed and wrote two books on this topic and i had look at the situation in sex from the bottom up. and what he describes from top to bottom. that's right, thanks to his books. i have many puzzles in my head. did you see what this usage is? yes, sectarians. uh, they firmly believe that these leaders receive

interpretations of the scriptures almost directly from god, uh, some kind of guidance and already in the form of letters they send it to the congregation. and this former leader hmm wrote how these meetings actually take place, when half-asleep grandfathers, and there are already such elderly comrades falling asleep at meetings. necessary vote. here they are pushing him, he will not understand what it is all about, what to vote for? what, in general? this is a simple human organization. they are god's as i thought, well, why did you study all this in secret from your wife, because the wife is a close person at that time. i was not ready to share my doubts with anyone, even with my wife, and besides, i was afraid that the elders would find out about this from my wife, and then and then i could lose my position there with some honorary duties. well, in general, i should definitely have told you that called? sorry for such a stupid

word, but nonetheless. it would be correct according to sectarian laws, if she snitched, this is the worst thing. mine is the norm - it is perceived as god's will, not otherwise. and so, uh, that's why i did it all in secret. in addition, at that time i could not somehow formulate an explanation, er, something to confirm my thoughts. what exactly i doubt that does not suit me. and how can i continue to be, if i leave this and, uh, i decided to leave for me the easiest way at that time was to leave my city, so that no one knows about it and start a new life. you didn't just leave your hometown . you even staged suicide. yes indeed. eh, i thought that then it was the best option for me, because in fact i was in such a state when i either hanged myself or committed suicide and

went on a trip. at first i went to another city. it was in the winter from kamyshin to rostov-on-don, because no one knew me there, it was easier to get lost there. i spent the winter in rostov and in the spring, as soon as the snow melted went on a trip. did your mother tell you that you are actually alive and well or not? no one knew where i was or what happened to me it was really cruel, maybe unreasonable, but it was uh 9 months. i was on the federal wanted list as a missing person. though on purpose. i didn't hide, i used my passport. e, he worked at a factory and only in the amur region, and this is about 7,000 km from kamyshin, quite by accident, when checking documents at the traffic police post , it turned out that i was wanted by someone other than the federal wanted list? confess

honestly, almost no one was looking for me, and only one friend hmm from the sect, one and only person. and i think that i have a lot of friends, but went to hd and told me that shiryaev had disappeared, we were looking for me. this was the only person who made any real efforts to find me, for which he, of course, is very grateful. we still communicate, and he, too, will soon become a vile apostate. i hope yes and that was the worst thing for me to lose friends. you had the illusion that you have them. eh, well at least at least it seemed to me so, and when i was taken off the wanted list, i got in touch on the internet. uh, with all those sect friends. i just got banned on social media. uh, ignore stopped talking. eh, and here i felt,

what is this love, what is this brotherly feeling, what is this fanaticism? that, too, besides the books of that leader i read, er, was hmm a powerful incentive to officially leave the sect, not only leave. that's how i left to formally write a statement. i don't want to be with you anymore their ranks. you nevertheless made some attempts to adjust. just such ordinary human connections. there, i don’t know, as a result, my mother called, of course, the first thing. i got in touch with my relatives, when i was already ready for this, my mother was very happy about this e did not scold me. uh, and i remember how she shed tears when i congratulated her on her birthday for the first time in many years, after all, many years. i didn’t celebrate birthdays like that, they didn’t celebrate me like that, but i didn’t congratulate, and you celebrated your own birthday when you left everyone there, of course. my first

birthday after leaving the sect, i met in the mosque. believe it or not, an unexpected place. i didn't expect it myself. we traveled with a friend in the crimea, we met on the internet. he was looking for a companion. and yeah, we started traveling together. by the time we started traveling with him, and i had travel experience for 2 weeks, and he had no experience at all, he considered me as a friend. yes, the mentor and teacher spoke. you have opened a new world for me. and so, it means that we traveled around the crimea with him ended up in sudak it was friday, a holy day for muslims suddenly orthodox. i tell him. you've never been to a mosque. let's go see how the masses are completely. we came there and met us well. before that, i was in the mosque. and they

tell us, guys, that you will put up a tent, somewhere in our mosque there is a special room for guests and spend the night there and it was just my birthday. look, but here you are traveling, mostly alone, you earn extra money, where you have to. and basically, like this. well what is called so to speak, uh, there is not intellectually, far handymen. yes, and so on. yes, yes, but now, at the moment, i have a very interesting creative and even highly intellectual work. e in krasnodar as a loader. this is very yes, so uh, actually, today, and nothing satisfies and pleases me more than traveling, until i know for myself another way that would bring me so much

joy, yes, that's why i pushes your boundaries in a way. yes, living in the same city. this is a frame here you can somehow how tell me? these destinations, but the scheme in your journey there are thousands to visit. how many cities around 1.122 dollars, it's true you put in this scheme and tell yourself it's done, but it's not just for show. it is interesting for me to get acquainted with cities with regions. i try to learn about their stories about their features and share with blog readers so that they can also see many people like it. moreover, no one before me set such a task for himself. that is, you have certain numbers. probably like in every person. let's talk about your sins of sins. i have a lot of transmission time is not enough, vanity pride pride. this

also plays a role. but if someone before me had coped with this task, he would still be interested, uh, to visit all the cities of russia ivan and how did you escape the temptations there, for example, to want more money tastier, to eat more beautifully dress to have such gadgets, and also such i am surprised at myself, but, probably, this is what comes from childhood, that i was a jerk. i'll probably stay with him. you are you claiming that by now you have become an agnostic or an atheist? no? i didn't become an atheist. i do not deny the existence of god or some higher powers, but i am not ready to take it aside. whatever religion. that is, you still have an interest, but such to him, and you have how it works.

and how is it with you after leaving the sect where i was, right? i visited at least 17 different denominations, which are also considered sects. it was very interesting. well, just compare from a research point of view. and how they worship god what they believe, what they have, after all, while i was in one sect. i was not allowed to meet others. and it was interesting. uh, this is exactly what i did in rostov when i left kamyshin before the start of the trip. oh, yes, sometimes i go to worship services of some denominations, i am friends with everyone, i love everyone that concerns your wife. here you called your mother. and zhenya. you corresponded with his wife by e-mail. and she wrote that she no longer wants to communicate with me, since i left those who are ready to get a divorce, since we do not have children, it was not difficult for you to do it unilaterally. this is a serious loss. yes, i

even regret that these ties are severed, maybe to some extent. i continue to love her. but it would be worse, in my opinion. if i had stayed then, or would have acted differently. you do not try to knock on her know i do not know how to write. i still emails, says, you're wrong. think about it, think about it. we are fighting from these people, whom we would happen in a certain state of the body. i am texting her. this is the state of the body from the usual text messages that regret it like this, but there are no answers to them, it’s clear what e concerns. in your plans, you, uh, sooner or later, after what time do you plan to put the last jackdaw, according to my calculations, it will be gone, at least 5 more years. so you are now 30, which means that at 35 you will be free from this plan, perhaps, but taking into account the

hard-to-reach and closed cities, perhaps five years and not enough for these cities will take much more, you will be 37 and beyond, which it's hard to predict so many years ahead. i don't know what will happen in 7 years. but i may want to keep traveling and doing some new projects. or maybe i'll find my soul mate and settle down in some small town in russia. anything can happen. if there are any new projects. there are ideas, for example, to raft along all the major rivers of our country. or visit all russian reserves, it would be very interesting. such a feeling, ivan , please forgive me, i will stop here, what do you have there is some kind of substitution, anyway, like these are all the largest rivers, well, there is some kind of formal approach anyway. not because you know, i don’t know. i want to see australia. i don't know any marsupials

there, because you won't find them anywhere. well, some kind of sensual curiosity, or all the largest rivers. i don’t know what it is connected with, i’m not at all drawn abroad to these marsupials. but to travel around russia. for me it's interesting. or maybe the fact is that you generally went abroad, you can’t have more money. yes, it is. it probably also plays a role, but so far i have set a specific goal for myself. you see , when there is a specific goal, then hmm, it already somehow spurs on. she, uh, gives some kind of hmm specific stimulus a. it allows e to keep itself within certain limits. here and now you need frames, probably, yes, travel has become a certain substitute. e sex. i was looking for this replacement and said, of course, completely from this system that enslaved you for for 11 years. uh life. so rich in

such a variety of colors, of course , without travel, this smooth transition would not have been noticed. maybe e. well, you see, hmm. what, by the way, was the most, uh, main discovery for me after leaving the sect, that the world is colored, not black and white, as i imagined that people are generally good, uh renegades are infinitely responsive. uh. this was the main discovery of my journey and it will add up on the road. there came a time when he had doubts about the correctness of the teaching sects in secret from the wife in secret from friends. i began to get acquainted with such information that former members of this sect write after leaving the sect. he learned the true essence of former friends. i just got banned on social media. uh, ignore, stop talking. eh, and here i felt, what is this love, what is this

brotherly feeling, what is this fanaticism? first of all, he tried to build a relationship with my mother remember how she shed tears when their first time in many years. it was headed by the story of a former sectarian on victory's birthday. uh, once a year come to the meeting of your sect, as i know, yes, this is some special day. yes, this is the only religious holiday they celebrate in the spring. why are you going there? for me. it's, well, some kind of entertainment, some kind of annual performance. here's maybe even a hmm way to overcome. e, step by step to overcome. that's the sectarian mindset that i had before. well, i'm interested. it is sometimes to visit old friends. even though i'm no longer their friend. still, my heart goes there. and, frankly, just to have fun.

this is how i originally had the goal of coming there, but everything turned out differently. now the bridle is lost. and how do you pin him? uh, the fact is that during this holiday, hmm, the symbols of bread and wine are transmitted and from these symbols. and no one has the right to accept. eh, there is such a philosophy that those who will rule with christ in heaven drink wine and eat bread, and i come to drink wine and eat bread, and this causes sectarians. eh, such bewilderment even. hmm twirling a finger at the temple is this bearded hairy man will rule over us from the sky, then in the future. well, just entertainment, as it were. i can’t help but ask you how hard your experience is, in fact, there is this sexy, from which i think that they really haven’t completely got rid of these consequences, but now, if today they are watching us some

parents of children, or there, wives, husbands, brothers and sisters of those people who fell into one or another sect, if there are any, well, so to speak , universal advice, but what to do, but how can universal councils help, because everyone has their own reasons why everyone who came and, accordingly, in order to help him get out of there, you also need to understand, and these reasons. and it can be difficult for relatives to understand all this, to read something, to investigate , to understand, and it is easier to simply press with some kind of ridicule. this, of course, is not a good result. uh, if a person himself does not want to understand, uh, in the teachings of his sect, it is unlikely that he will be able to help him with something effectively. eh, if he feels good in a sect, he won't leave. i think that the main push must e from the heart of a sectarian happen so that he left from there they tell me oh

thanks for sharing on the very. dele we want to give you for your travels. here is a backpack. i know you have, uh, heavy backpacks with you, but this one is so small. it would seem that. well, yes, olenka he has a solar battery, respectively, you can charge it from it, and all sorts of various gadgets that will be useful to you, because there you began to learn the truth thanks to him. and generally on the road. they are useful, there is also such a thing, look. this is a filter for water. it can be put in a backpack. and now you can drink directly from this tube, and it is beautiful in that you can draw water, even from a puddle, and it will filter it. we hope you will be savvy, so you know, with all these items for all occasions that switch with you on your travels. and let you meet good interlocutors and be. maybe real friends. thank you.

it’s not that i’m afraid of old age, but the questions do happiness depend on age and how to feel harmoniously, don’t attention to the numbers in the passport. of course, i’m interested in thinking, like many of you last year, along with the heroes of the program dedicated to the book dedicated to the age of happiness, we were just trying to figure out if old age has any advantages over youth and is it true that with retirement, life only acquires new colorful shades, the heroes of our today's program will only continue this topic, because they are convinced that after 50 comes the most magical age. fulfillment of desires freedom of choice and, of course, movement. instead of an apartment in moscow, a mobile home

instead of a stable job, searching for new routes and interesting places, they are sure that after 50 you need to do what you really like to realize your dreams and not be afraid of anything after retirement. they have come up with their own way to travel practically for free ever since. they go where they want and when they want without spending on tickets and hotels. in addition, a free life provides them with everything they need and allows them not to work. they are convinced that the person chooses. how can he live in retirement? tv on the couch or explore the world looking out the window of your own motorhome. alone with all pensioners travelers and adventurers victor and svetlana zhukova svetlana hello victor we are glad to welcome you in our studio a-a. i'm

sorry that my very first question will be, maybe not very delicate for a woman, but since we have such a topic about age , about how you can meet him, is it sad or joyful, and that means traveling or at home on the couch. how old are you? i'm 57. so all of you admit it yourself. how much will we be torture, they seem to have noted 55. and how many years have you retired for a woman at 50 to 50 leaves. you forgot, in my opinion, 55, right? i am a year before retirement, which means 54. well, approximately, that is, earlier. well, it’s just that the circumstances developed, after all, uh, they held out. well, yes, there, in my opinion, 45 pension. uh -huh and there, in my opinion, something like a civilian worked a little and that's it. wow, let's go free. yes , a clear conscience is what they call it. that is, it was not a sad prospect. no, she was, as it were, a conscious choice, yes,

you were never scared at all. the thought of old age. no. now, if we thought so, then, probably, we did not choose such a way of life. did nothing happen if we were afraid of old age, it seems to me that this is one secret, how can you be afraid of what? naturally, it is necessary to find some charms in this, and charm is freedom, this is a very much question, so what is it for you, i don’t know. yes , he doesn’t know, and god forbid, i understand that you, in fact, are trying all the time on wheels, as it were, the more, the better to bet when it’s been with you for a long time it happened. this choice is life on wheels. well, as soon as we met, it happened when we met for a long time 30 years ago. he served in the orenburg region as a lieutenant of the classic. we just got to know each other. we are in a house near moscow . he's here on vacation. uh, well, how does it matter how it is? well, as if they agreed right away, as if they decided to get married there, but the most

important thing is that he bought his first car and from there from the orenburg region. came here. well, how to get married, but i no longer wanted him to go alone somehow, maybe to be worried, and i flew for my fiancé there, so that together with him to make this journey in a zhiguli car, i flew to the moscow region . yes, there to the orenburg region and from there. we went to moscow with him, that is, there were already all of you at first, yes, and then already hmm zhiguli and so on at this castle to moscow and we understood that it was pleasant to spend time like that, that is, we realized that we it doesn't bother. we like two, this is the movement. you see, they generally like cars and like to drive. it is very important in this i mean, i'm lucky. but the road doesn’t bother me, but sophia likes some comfort, don’t like the change of impression, that you see a lot of things? that is, even if there is an opportunity to go. somewhere on the train, let's say to rest in russia. we will go by car anyway, because we like

the impression that it happens on the road, you can see on the road, you usually know how people have such an idea about the road and cars. well, yes, that oh, on the contrary, fir-trees-sticks. well, yes, i have to go by car. this, god forbid, means the wheel will definitely break through. so his oil will leak and think, then, so it happened. and, that is, thought is material. and if you think that everything will be fine with you, then you’re just a disaster from orenburg to moscow, yulia, even if it strikes in some bazooka bor, it’s practically the russian bermuda triangle, then in some village there is a person who from a spare tire, just for our wheel it happens all the time . tell me, please, here, who is victor by profession, i understand. well, that is, we don’t specify, but it’s clear that the military experts, so to speak, the leader should be who were. well, i can also say that the classic was a soviet engineer before i met him , she worked in it. after they safely left with him to serve in the orenburg region. well, the other child was born and returned. when

he returned to moscow, he entered the academy, then, then, it was already a new career. i went to a publishing house and started to work for journalists, then as an editor, and i already finished my career in this as the editor-in-chief of the magazine and you left this job. yes, yes, they said no, no. here she works chief editor. yes, it's always a responsibility. this is very hard work. it's true. yes. here i am, after retirement, there you could go to a civilian career there, but realizing that when you go to some kind of leadership position. yes, i understand that this is a responsibility for people. this is responsibility for the cause. for this i. it's like, let's say already drunk. yes, i would like to answer for myself. seems like it should. yes, it seems like well, what to do, yes, what to do, and with the other side. i really didn't want to. that's the question i have, you know, that's a modern man. he lives in the

non-stop grip of fear of responsibility for, uh, tomorrow, the fact that now i make such a decision not to finalize, there i am satisfied with my pension. and suddenly they would miss them. and suddenly, well, no matter how you, as a man, are not afraid of what kind of future you have there tomorrow waiting well, in principle, yes, of course, on the one hand, as if you understand that the money still had to come from somewhere - to show up, right? well, here again, what's good, that we are like pensioners. yes, i have a military pension. well, not bad enough, more than civil yes, svetika is also, as it were, a pension now, that is, two pensions, in principle, taking into account that you will starve in the end, will you live? yes, that's what you will eat, so to speak, where it is enough. this may be the main fear. why do n’t you suddenly know something there? still, the pension removes, whatever it may be, but it is very small. she's not exactly small. that is,

as it were, the main aspect there, which is, as it were, pension good, that is, there would be a smaller new one. well , we would be looking for great opportunities to increase money, we think so, but still , not everyone goes beyond this fear anyway. now i understand what you are talking about. what qualities do you think you need to have in order to push the wife apart, so to speak. it's good to have such a good wife as i am. i'll explain why you know that? here you are at the core of everything. i, too, took a long time. here after the next issue of the magazine. now i'll find it i don't want to, how to start and wash it was to travel and at the same time some more money, so that something is enough, you need it, well, naturally, the strength of your profession. i thought that it was necessary to write to shoot a video is to offer some kind of magazine everything and in fact . here with this idea. i left. i think it will work. it was a leap of faith. and that's why i'm an ex-wife, because you see, they offered a deal with a civilian career that was completely unfamiliar to him, and i

figured that a person was coming to the team. he works. he needs the bar himself to be educated to receive knowledge to do career, what he will face in the current conditions of competition, which in fact , it will then affect his health. well , because it's completely new asphalt at this age. here and there, indeed again there is something to obey somehow. that's what i said, didn't answer. we don't need to live. health is more expensive. don't need this. we'll figure something out for you. so and so, what did you save up for? the only thing, as i understand it, is to improve the car, yes, and you find it. yes , that's right, what's inside her. well there about there. uh, the main thing is that there is a toilet , uh, shower, hot cold water. bed with extra bed gas stove m. refrigerator with freezer. uh, living room this data alone is big. yes, yes , there is a solar battery so that we can eat in

pots and dill parsley to pluck it . yes, no, i always take a garden watering in stores. uh-huh tempo which is being put forward actually. he took it you see a dream, that is, in fact this is the result so i say, really a dream come true if you are thinking about what you will get over time. here you can see her realization of this dream. how many years has gone by? that's how much it's gone. as a result, such a combination of circumstances also becomes favorable and either people go to the meeting that this is happening, although according to objective mathematical data, finances are somehow there, this could not grow together. that is, it works. and you mean, even at the age of 50 you started skiing for the first time. yes, in general, grateful to the comrade who pulled us out in the else, a ticket, there is such a military base pulled out from us. we immediately got up, and that's it. that is, immediately in love. yes, you know this, everyone who gets up everyone sits down,

keep in mind. if you are afraid, it is better not to get up the first time and immediately plant it. it 's a very mountain attraction. this descent, this wind, this adrenaline, a person is needed. adrena you think about people, they say. if you 're afraid, don't get up well, as if, do you think that, in general, uh, so to speak, there are such daredevils who walked a lot of them, or rather, such daredevils who, uh, will risk trying something new. let's start eating, of course, people. i want adrenaline, there is a need and someone decides on something, someone with a parachute and, by the way, adrenaline work too. i read somewhere that adrenaline is needed so that the body does not age. i think it's true that life after fifty has a taste of some fresh air for those who are afraid of age. i don't know what old age is, when you retire, you know? the terrible is behind victor and svetlana zhukova in general, i have the

impression that, in general, this is a way of traveling more characteristic of young people. uh, guys, well, that is, students who want to save money chip off together rent. there is this motorhome and so they will come. ah. have you experienced being looked at with some such surprise, they say. oh, and you, too, are traveling in russia, maybe they ask, and there, probably, all pensioners have motorhomes, it seems that this is a whole movement, but you will not see the youth. that is, as yours is more comfortable, yes, or they work more with cats with their dogs, take out bicycles with scares. and so just like us anyway, let's go. here we met many. such epic pictures would be, when you are two cars, one pair the second here they go to the seashore, they have some kind of harmonica to play the harmonica and sing. it happens

so, that is, they are enjoying life, it's true, and now you are also on bicycles. you say you always take bicycles with you. gain some experience, looking around, what people are doing more there to see at wherever we stand, we untie and be, then cut, as with to the capital by bike. you will see more whether it is some kind of coast. yes, but here you are, knowing that you will come to visit us, you decided to talk with young guys of 18 years old about how they represent themselves. e your fiftieth birthday there or after 50 years, what do they think about this topic. let's listen to them. for 50 you are retired and a writer of my books and are published in russian english and french with grandchildren to play in the park it is necessary to roller coaster children enter and i travel hitchhiking in russia kazakhstan mongolia with my children and won't earn

enough money to make my job become. well , a hobby, not a means of survival and hope to devote more time to me to travel. maybe i think that i will devote most of my free time to myself to engage in some kind of self-development, read a lot and do things that i didn’t have time when i was young. what is possible after 50, but what is impossible in 20? for some reason , everything is possible now, it seems to me that everything you want can be done at the age of 50. uh, you can't be in the army maximalist and look for the meaning of life it's time to stop looking for actresses when you realize that you can't look for him, he can't be found. you can’t wear miniskirts not for men, nor for women, you need to absolutely calmly thank you to jump on a batutik, and at 20 years old, braids will look at you 50 times you will be watered. can you be naked on the street? everything is the same as

at 20. well, at 20 you don’t know what to be afraid of after fifty loneliness and after fifty the most terrible thing is to lose touch with your family. i think they are afraid of the fact that nothing did not reach the age of 50. in vain they didn’t have time to do something, and not to say she dreamed of becoming an astronaut. and i just became a security guard there not to see half of the world reducing the old-age pension, that is, the old age of the soul, that's what i'm afraid of. i want to always stay young, up to two hundred years old, what is it worth being afraid of, after 50 it will work out. i don't think so. it's amazing how close you are. i would say with this generation it's time to jump on the girl's trampoline, because no one in space will look. i noticed that you

covered your head very much when one of the girls remarkably said that at 50 you can do everything the same as at 20, only you do n’t know this at 20, really. it is necessary now, and young people, to think that they need to strive. here is something to choose already think about it and lay. at one time we laid, as it were, the foundation we thought that it’s not so easy for a motorhome. yes, they changed it and you will see it has always been this idea that when we have freedom so that we can travel safely. well, that is, it was such a goal that was going systematically, there was me and the car. and so on, that is, and each i have to see for myself, while he is young, he works completely. and what does he need by this time, perhaps, and still strive for freedom, because yes, if there is freedom of movement in time and space. stve, it seems to me that this is the basis of happiness, as if here is the freedom of movement in space in time, yes. unlike those young guys with whom we talked, who are basically not afraid. eh, old people don't think about it. maybe even, and there are other young people who

sometimes think about their, uh, age, so to speak, frightens and one of those was. a photographer from st. petersburg, yulia titova, who even became so interested in this subject at the age of 23. she was just about everything when she was, and became interested in this topic that she even conducted some kind of her own investigation and made some such an art project, filmed a documentary about it. now we want to contact her. hello julia. i just wanted to, uh, ask you, why, in fact, at such an early age at 23 years old. you are so frightened, or something, old age, that you interested in it and decided to somehow explore it. when i was 23 i graduated from the university, and the university in my opinion , such a pivotal daughter for many young people, because for many years you prepare for something. first you go to school to go to university, then you want to go to university to get a diploma and you don’t think about what will happen next. and so, when i graduated from the university, i realized

that a lot of things are already behind, and i don’t know what lies ahead and i’m already 23 years old. and me it seemed, so i'm old, of course, actualized the problem, realized that you are old, that we need to deal with this issue. and that was for me. so much of a shock. i realized, lord of the dirt on the first-year students who came to our university, that they are 17. and i'm already 23 and what i have achieved at this moment. it was such a strange state and then i talked to those who were thirty, and they told me what are you, we are only old to you 23 we thought, what do people feel at 60 and 70. yes, i i talked to those who were 17 and a friend told me, what are you, a girl, it’s too late for me to start playing music, i’m already 17. and here’s this question for me what is old age, and i realized what it is when you think that you too late to do anything. and so i did

some research. we conceived a documentary film. uh, and decided to address two audiences. the first is youth. ask them how you see yourself when you are old, and ask the elderly themselves of all sorts to find out what it is like to be old. which conclusion e you actually made. here is from this study speaking to one and another audience. well, we concluded that, in principle, there is no such unconditional state as old age, then this is insanely subjective, that it very much depends on the person, firstly, it depends on the attitude towards oneself, because some of those people , which you said saved up for two things, one for saw trips, and the other saved up for a funeral and were perfect. well, at the same age, and we realized how important it is to feel that you are well, you have a lot ahead, that is, to motivate yourself. and tell me, please, as part of this project, you did, uh, such a photo session, as i understand it, when you

asked young guys what they dream about? what they dream of becoming. and so to speak, they portrayed this dream, as i understand it, people are well over 50. eh, why is that? well, i wanted to take a photo shoot about it, and i realized that older people usually don't become models. that is, in society there is such a cult of beauty and youth, as if, well, this is the only thing worth striving for, and i i knew that this was not so, because i see my grandmother and then i found exactly the older models and asked for my entourage. what do you want to be in 50 years and we all then were about 20 years old, respectively , it turned out that at 70 years old. they want to be. that's how it was displayed. it's in photography. there , someone goes in for yoga, boxing, someone rides a motorcycle. well, that is, these are the most optimistic assumptions, the last question for you. so, where do you want to be now to 50 years from now? and i would like not stop. i have been involved in

charitable projects for the past 5 years and would like to dedicate. that's your old age completely this, a pleasure. well, for me it is a pleasure, and the journey is a journey, of course, yes. in general, i never think that this is something out of the ordinary, that we all need to travel and the elderly , of course, also yul, and if old age at all, that's what you say about this. i think that there is old age, and there is old age, and someone manages to remain in old age just like in age, and for some, unfortunately, old age comes to him. thank you very much yulechka good luck to you. they know the secret to a happy life. would n't it work out if we were afraid of old age, it seems to me that this is one of the secrets of pension is not a sentence, in principle, given the fact that we are so you will starve russian. they were not afraid to change their lives, how can you be afraid of what?

naturally. it is necessary to find some charms in this, and the charm is freedom victor and svetlana zhukova how did your relatives feel about the fact that you took such a risk? okay, you are brave, but there is something nearby, who else? like the older generation, he is always afraid of advising another. yes you? yes, like my mother, thank god, you chewed, you see, there are elderly women in the club, and therefore this is all this. yes. and friends also supported and the son supported, but he is also the son of an adventurer from us got a little bit. and by the way, if you are such avid, travelers from the moment you met. how is the son? he traveled with us in a car in a car. starting with the fact that he was still in my stomach when i was traveled all over there the seventh eighth month. he started to walk in a car somewhere in the chelyabinsk region, there is no way to walk in a car, otherwise he got out, we took him out on the grass, like to sit. he got up and went somewhere it was like this then, of course, they drove around russia,

you always drove. he somehow started to swim with us and that's it. that's somewhere out there in some lake, ah, who were passing by. yes, he poured him a little into something else. here he travels since then, he no longer wants to travel by car without comfort. now he travels somewhere to book there, a hotel and so on. here this is mine in contrast. yes, he is just here, uh, yes, they didn’t beat him comfortably, but these impressions led to the fact that he was a good photographer. here is the thrust. firstly, he rides a bike a lot and with a camera on the bolshoi he has such a yes, but he rides a bike from the camera and takes good pictures. but what about your maternal fears, for example, no, they did not include. oh, the child will get sick on the way. oh where are we going? oh, it'll get cold. oh, good tool. i'm stocking up on a pouch of all sorts of medicines just so they 'll never come in handy. here you take there is never needed, as soon as you start a pill, you will need it, i take a bag

, it is always a ritual and glory. we do not open it to god. uh-huh tie it solemnly. yes, just like warm clothes in summer. well, just in case, if suddenly someone wants to go, then the pills are with you, so that they are not useful in the summer, so that frosts do not happen, you must take warm ones with you, and in winter swimming trunks. well, so that it gets warmer yes, really, no, seriously. yes, we are true just in case, we are going in early april. we take skiing swimsuits with us, because at the beginning april we'll ride somewhere in the alps. and we live downstairs, of course, not in hotels there, but the parking lot below is warm, and there is still snow after we ski. after that we descend into the valley. uh-huh the mediterranean. well, plus or minus there, even if it’s cold, we’re already swimming there anyway, then tell me, selling a moscow apartment and buying in the moscow region

closer to the mountain slope, just outside moscow, but some kind of house, apparently, as i understand it, this is also adrenaline no it's a dream we've been thinking about for a very long time. everything gathered, periodically returned to opportunities, no matter how they went, just looked in the suburbs chose without any means for this you sold the moscow apartment, because you did not have the opportunity to purchase, so to speak, if it was or or or even after all limited funds and yet, so to speak, a pension. this is the main thing, that you, uh, we didn’t have any income, as if we had money and an apartment there, from which, uh, we got information from my aunt. yes, we gave it to our son. as a matter of fact, yes, here we ourselves are there, well, we bought a day, we are good, brother, he will tell his brother how he could help us , how he would buy a slice of an apartment , and we actually bought it there with this money, well, people do it, but if there is a moscow apartment, they value it. they

try everything there. well, somehow, perhaps, it can be handed over, but the main thing is not to lose, but if yes, that is, we are like us, when it was sold, we lived there, so my mother was in the country, we lived in my mother’s apartment, that means some of them hung there, so there were some things in my mother's apartment in the town in the motorhome. yes, in the apartment for six months. we lived like this until were looking for where they tell us to stick. well , of course, we found, as if we didn’t worry about it, that we wanted it. sincerely. you see, if a person likes life closer to nature near moscow, why does he leave moscow? i understand who goes to work every day. that's all in any way afraid of buying an apartment. i worked for her. worked worked. how am i going to part with her? well, you’re your quality of life when you move there for you better where can you say that in general no material things

say things are not attached, especially our case. you can't go to the car like that. yes, nobody's car. i want us to now look at another plot of a hero, who, perhaps, is similar to you in that he also believes that no material wealth and even social status does not matter compared to the pleasure that you can receive from life. let's listen to him. this is alexander galitsky. i'm 58 years old. uh, and somewhere a little, not reaching fifty years. i changed my life drastically and i regret only about one that hasn't been done before. worked as a graphic designer in charge of large departments. e, served as the director of a large firm that was engaged in the release of computer training programs. well, i’m such

an independent person by nature, i decided that it’s probably more correct to just arrange my life myself. uh, just the way i want to. now they are generally business cards no now, as if it were all for many years. yes, and there it was written there director director everything is there. and when you call the phone you mean, as if behind you behind your back there is a big firm. yes, and you imagine yourself, respectively, with such a noble bass, when you become the head of the circle because of the director, this is a kind of. probably such a shock. i would like you to take a small part of this. i say, he is 13 years old with this hammer.

i said that this is complete nonsense in general, that it is, as it were, firstly, these people are elderly old people. uh, sharp tools. in general, people who can't do anything. they can't see, they can't hear, wasn't very excited about the idea until i tried it. what happened to you? what's up with your owl? here are these people. they are, as it were, my my friends there, they come here of their own free will. i decided that i also come here of my own free will and come to play, because, in my opinion, there is no more stupid job in the world. that's why i like her very much. i had a case when two old men had a fight, because somehow i didn’t have time to give everyone some business to seat them, give them a tool so that they

start working and one left, and the other stayed and told me. i didn't want to come. why i came and this is the story. she, as it were, is learning from her too, because he really comes sometimes, because he because he wants life to continue, the way it was a week ago and show myself that everything ok, i'm there, so to speak, despite the fact that i don't know something there, i didn't sleep at night and i don't feel well, she got up and came to this guy, 95 years old. such a little boy now let's see what he's doing. his soul, how to take this soul everything is so-so and tell him, as if inside. yes of course you are right came and in general everything is in order and now we will continue with you and life goes on with

knitting needles. if i knew how to say this and can do it, absolutely no matter what i do with them. it's just, probably, 50 is still some kind of, well, more such a psychological milestone, because uh, it seems, like fifty dollars yes, but on the other hand, apart from the advantages, i really don't see any disadvantages. bye. i wanted to say what i remembered thought. she just arrived. we are also really working. this is where the thought came in the next journey. we we're going to meet a lot of people. everyone wants to talk to the russians. after all, we have

a russian flag on the car and you can see everything, this is a russian car. she's a supermarket here, everything is everywhere with a mass of people, and we tell them everything about russia, how they come to visit us in the car. we sit and talk. and i mean that this is it, the work , whatever you want to call it, probably, but in fact it may be small, but people will learn something. and you still don’t see that, it turns out, russian pensioners are also traveling, that they are also with them, then with us too life here is the same as no, we are not wild, by the way, uh, i would like to touch on some practical questions, but about how you travel around europe in the first place. i wanted to know, but this summer you were in europe and the crisis only returned at the end of june. yes, somehow you manage to calculate your budget. yes, yes, even you have stated somehow, maybe it's not now, not up-to-date information, that life when traveling, you sometimes manage to be more economical than, uh, with a sedentary lifestyle.

why well thrifty that here is already our home. we got out and sat in it. all the same y- we went that here we go to the grocery store , that it is the same there, all clothes. you don't even buy no wrong. it happens sometimes. same. you know, there are markets there. she 'll meet every country in italy there in france pro markets where they sell stocks of new stuff. it's a nice thing, it's very cheap there, you can dress up french italians there too. now, if by chance that you just notice it, you figure out that no no. no, there's no way for some day to be a plus. we're not driving on highways, where there is no life, as it were, only one car, that's it. and we to not pay. we, of course, do not use the toll road. we have savings in everything we drive. the same highways, but they go through the towns. and here, firstly, you see this life, what they live in, and here you can meet anything you like, a rural holiday goes on. uh-huh , these are the markets and if, by chance, we

need something, we take it, but it's at such a low price that it's very profitable in practice. they only need money for gas. and if we have enough money has accumulated, we can afford to travel once, drove around the perimeter of france in total, a maximum of 12.000 km per trip. yes, we had such money, then it was 60,000 rubles. well, here it is. and if this is not enough budget, it has not rolled down, then you can not go far. you can go to germany in bavaria or along the rhine, the mileage is from and there europe is small at the end. it is small there, that is, it is already there, and with parking free for camping. these are the ones that have special parking lots, or what are we trying to do in camping, first of all, are they camping uh? it is located in beautiful places, but you also have to pay for them. ugh naturally. that is, it is somewhere in your house with a terrace in the center of the city center of the city, of course, all the time is to find, so as not to cross out the prohibition. i know that the camper is not allowed.

if this sign is not there, then you will not have to, that we always call in the center. moreover, such a trick should be called in on friday evening, when parking is on weekends in all european capitals of large cities you come to paris for free, uh, at one time we stood on the cat, you stop by. yes, yes , we had a place at the jungle park on concorde square, then they made it for a fee, and we smoothly moved. we have a parking lot under the eiffel tower. they also lived there, and so there is a parking lot on where their fields begin with a cup of coffee, and the eiffel houses are just like that in the evacuation. we get out of the car with a cup of coffee past people recognize they enter the tulere park they go clow-roo cartoon, we go for coffee, well, sort of, as always. yes, we had breakfast, we closed, too, let's go no, no, it's us, how is the image of the russian tourist. what is a pension is an airbag

, if a person is not capable of insanity, it’s hard to say, i don’t know when the age of happiness begins, it actually doesn’t end each age of happiness has its own victor and svetlana zhukova how to say as a result of your travels one more way i would say so you discovered flea markets for yourself and in this way you got some extra money for gasoline, as i understand it, yes, the main value is not even yulia this, of course, is also the main the value that we got into the new world. got a lot of friends into the new world. we study something, read art and so on, to know that a person is interesting and we happened to be in a small town. we always passed by. here they always exist, there are entire industries of these flea markets. we always wanted to pass, because, as it were, these were not particularly fond of. and once the icon

caught our eye. it cost 57 cents. it was so strange. we bought some icon. well, it is simple, but on a tree, which means that they may also be interested. it turned out that we brought it. we bought something for ourselves and friends liked the dishes. they also asked us to bring. yes, and then for now. tied up on the internet, read something about what we do and how people provide what, they open there, just in moscow they began to open flea markets. there are some city museums in moscow and something else, and then it somehow happened completely spontaneously. we have in some kind of interior a beautiful pv began to appear in the house, and then quietly. at first they gave it to friends, then i said. well, what will you? let's buy some money already some help for gasoline. we always say, that's what it's most on gasoline. uh huh, that's all. like this, like this, and now we already know