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good evening on the air big game today is a very important day for the russian foreign policy of russian belarusian relations the russian operation in ukraine and the future world order in general, which in fact is largely determined on the fronts of this special operation, vladimir putin visited minsk this is the first visit of the russian president to the belarusian capital for 3 years and there. e. vladimir putin held talks with alexander lukashenko both in a bilateral, so in the expanded format and the expanded format included negotiations with the participation of sergei lavrov, minister of foreign affairs, and sergei shoigu, minister of defense. well, the ministers, uh, from russia, following the results of the negotiations, vladimir putin announced the

qualitative deepening of russian belarusian integration within the framework of the union state and military cooperation, the intensity of which is directly proportional to the threats that the union state of russia and belarus is facing from the united states and nato and in particular. the president of russia announced that from now on, belarusian pilots will be trained to fly aircraft that can be equipped with missiles with nuclear warheads. listen to this speech president putin's statement i consider it possible to continue the implementation of the proposals of the president of belarus to train the crews of combat aircraft of the belarusian army that have already been converted for the possible use of air-launched ammunition with a special warhead. i emphasize that this form of cooperation is neither ours invention, the united states of america , for example, has been conducting similar activities with

its allies within the nato bloc for decades. such coordinated measures are extremely important in connection with the tense situation on the external borders of the union state. here we will discuss today this tense situation in russian western relations, as well as the situation in relations between russia and china and the usa and china, after all, the us hybrid war against russia is part of a global confrontation of the global battle for world order and china, into this confrontation by the united states. we are fully involved and will discuss these issues with dmitry sals, president of the center for national interests, and andrey denisov, senator first deputy chairman of the committee on international affairs of the federation councils and former russian ambassador to the people 's republic of china for many years, dmitry andrey ivanovich good evening. good evening. dmitry well, washington is very fond of setting an example for everyone, but when he follows his

example, the united states is very often dissatisfied. here, do you think in this case, how will the united states react to the decision of russia and belarus to start training belarusian pilots, and who are able to fly aircraft. which can carry nuclear bazaars, and uh, will this be taken in the united states as a signal that u should stop both the militarization of ukraine and the militarization of european security and the buildup of the american military presence in europe but dmitry you, as always, clearly use the expression united states at least for all examples, but also more the united states wants to be a world leader. and uh, the united states makes it very clear that in general, uh, america is in a special position and what is allowed uh, jupiter was not allowed bulls and

especially not allowed to uh america's opponents and russia today is clearly perceived as an adversary of the united states it is of course yours, who they er will not call. e pleasure. i don’t think that they will raise a big scandal about this, because at the same time russia does not violate international treaties for a moment and the united states provides many precedents. but it will certainly be accepted. but, if you like, as a conscious gesture by russia to show that russia is not going to give up, that russia is not ready to show the flexibility that we would like to see. eh, who are they and what? in general, e russia is not set up for confrontation, which moscow says is in no way its preference in russia is set up to decide what needs to be defended. e your interests and in

this context, of course, the gentleman went, it is especially important to talk to you because, firstly, you spent many years as the russian ambassador to china, you were the first deputy minister of foreign affairs and it is very important for the conversation that you were the russian ambassador to the un for many years and you know how this organization works. although it seems to me that after your departure. there was no evolution. this is true, but when the united states looks at its conflict with russia, of course, one of the first thoughts that come to mind. this is how much russia can rely on the support of china and russia is perceived. as you know, as the main adversary, but in the long term, china is perceived as the main strategic challenge and at the same time such an

interesting situation the united states challenges russia to china but tries to explain fake, uh, and cinema and moscow that it is not in their interests too much and towards each other, because that in washington in brussels will be upset. in general, there was a disposition, but it seems that washington and brussels should still be important there, uh, important for both russian and chinese leaders and not he tells me that even how to characterize russian-chinese relations is a very difficult question. the union is not complete. the union is more than a partnership. e, readiness to go towards each other. but there are clear limitations. now, if you could start by telling us how you perceive

the nature of cooperation between russia and china, dear dmitry konstantinovich, no matter how paradoxical it may sound, but the answer to your questions is largely contained in the wording of your own questions. eh? i perceive the russian chinese relationship. it seems to me quite adequate. although the position went to russia in china, i have already left the accepted wording, which is enshrined in our documents. this is the attitude of strategic partnership and comprehensive cooperation towards them. we added more uh, so such a couple of words in the new era, meaning in the new era of international relations in the global dimension and the new era in our relations with china, uh,

russia and china are not allies, and both the other side declares. e, which does not strive for allied relations at the same time, er, and our leaders and maybe even more often and earlier than our chinese er colleagues. e. e-e sounded the formula that we are not allies, but our relations in a number of areas and in a number of areas are higher than allied ones. here, as a matter of fact, is an adequate picture of bilateral relations between russian and chinese e, and to this. all in all. eh, there is practically nothing to add, you can comment, but the essence. i think it's clear, but please. yes uh this may not be adding a comment, of course you question. on the one hand, i look at the figures, and the russian chinese economic officer. uh huh , impressive numbers, it's growing in many

key samples today dmitriy i read that the siberian power pipeline showed the highest results of the year, and a lot of very important things are happening and it is obvious that the united states of the european union did not manage to convince china to refuse. the process of cooperation with russia, on the other hand, i believe that certain technologies available to china that china not ready to share russia with them because they fear secondary sanctions. yes, absolutely true, and i can absolutely understand as a human being, because trade with russia is growing in china , but this turnover of china, uh, with the united states and with the european union, especially together is much higher, but, nevertheless. here from a practical point of view, not from the point of view of understanding, but from the point of view on which

russia can count, as it seems, there is, uh, some kind of strategic decision by the chinese leadership. well, if you want to encourage chinese companies to meet russia or, in general, these are two different areas, a strategy where russia and china are an ally or in the next ally, and here are some things at the level, especially investments and technologies that chinese companies are sometimes afraid to provide to russia e. i'll clarify a bit though. you said that russia and china are allies or more than allies, we are not allies, but in some areas these areas are quite important both for us and for china from the point of view of arithmetic. you are absolutely right. uh, in the last record year, our turnover according to chinese statistics, there are different methodology , slightly higher than our customs statistics, reached forty 147 billion us dollars

, while trade with the united states is 7733, and with europe 828 billion. if a cohabitant, then this is more than 10 times more. and this is very indicative, by the way, china's trade, first of all, with the united states, has an impressive even more than impressive positive balance in favor. i must say the same with europe, uh, for us for more than 10 years. china trading partner number one without an alternative and , apparently, will remain so for the foreseeable future. as for relations against the backdrop of e american sanctions and very strict american control over the observance of these sanctions. this should also be taken into account, primarily through the banking system, because in foreign trade you cannot do without settlements . and this, of course, is a very serious factor, which, uh, there is no need for a serious degree, as they say, turning a blind eye to

reality really seriously complicates our economic relations with china china is not seen in some kind of charity. china is not going to shoot itself in the foot, so china is complying with the restrictions that have been introduced on the supply, among other things. uh, as you quite rightly pointed out uh high-tech products, but where are these restrictions? no, uh, china, uh, intends to develop relations as it was before. moreover, uh, i would even say here that sometimes our chinese partners. well , as they say, they blow blowing on milk or vice versa on water. i don't remember somehow in our proverb and when e even some business areas are not subject to, but the fact is not subject to the american regulator. they still keep away from sin, as they say, keeps. so to say a little aside. it is a fact. this is a reality, however, nevertheless, this is not reflected in the results of trading. i mean, quantitatively, this year's

trade turnover will significantly exceed last year's. well, i won’t hide it due to the price factor to a significant extent, because energy resources are becoming more expensive, but that’s exactly what you are talking about. they said this, because for china we are a stable long-term source of hydrocarbons that it absolutely needs. and if in china it comes out of this covid. e cycle and resume economic growth, it will need more and raw materials and hydrocarbons. and one more note. uh, although our trade with china. uh, compared to uh, western partners are much smaller, but it is my deep conviction that the quality content of our trade and its significance for both countries and for china and for us goes beyond quantitative indicators, so relations are developing and will develop further. yes, there are certain limitations, but talking

about some kind of serious influence. well , i would say existentially the impact of us sanctions on russian chinese trade. well, i wouldn't, and that would be wrong. well, according to many economists. this year we can actually reach the desired goal, while the desired goal is 200 billion dollars of this. with the preponderance of russian exports, of course, this is not weak. after all, it is absolutely not weak. especially understanding that this is a trade turnover between two nation-states, of course, china's trade with the united states is much larger, but when you talked about the figures for china's trade with the european union, it's still the entire european union, and here russia and china on a bilateral basis, but andrey ivanovich you spoke quite rightly about restrictions. and i understand correctly that as the american technology war against china intensifies, more and more stringent export restrictions are being expanded. american blacklists, which include

chinese high-tech companies, such as huawei zte and so on. but these restrictions that now have in terms of technological cooperation between russia and china will gradually decrease and be removed. well, i would like to hope so, the fact is that china is investing heavily in the development of modern. china implements in my opinion i will not. uh, go into details, but in my opinion very efficient models are highly efficient. uh investment in uh, innovative industry. china by a number of directions. uh, high technology is already ahead, the united states of america is generally recognized. for example, in the field of artificial intelligence and you know how physics action gives rise to reaction. uh, that's why sanctions of this kind, well, at some stages and for some short time, they can slow down china's technological development, but, as they say, on a broad front, of course, they won't hold back. i would add to this the

following, uh, american specialists. er, they admit that they made a number of mistakes in building relations with china in previous decades. and here is one of those mistakes. i repeat again. this is not my opinion, this is the opinion of american experts that they underestimated the ability. yes, in terms of technological development , the prevailing opinion was that china would never reach the level that the united states had and has, and this is true, but, but in a number of areas. china has not only come out, but is already ahead of it. so here goes. that's what it's called, your program is a big game and in whose favor it will end, that's another question. a we believe that just the russian-chinese partnership sets the stage for this confrontation to end in favor of china and russia, but you quite rightly said that the united states believes that it

has pursued a misguided policy towards china in previous decades, encouraging the development of china by integrating. china into an american-centric economic order. hoping that china will gradually transform not only economically, but also politically and will become a political partner, that is, an ally of the united states, but now it seems to me. the us is making a no less mistake, because the confrontation that they unleashed against china, first the trump administration, but the biden administration, intensified this confrontation a hundredfold and unleashed a full-fledged technological war, plus a general military-political confrontation, but they are intensifying. well, let's put it this way, and china's independence in economic development china, in the face of this confrontation, proclaimed a policy of double circulation with greater reliance on domestic resources. you mentioned, uh, technological competition. and if i don't changes memory, uh, china will invest in the

development of semiconductors and high-tech chips twice as much as the bytan administration deliberately invests, that is. uh, you see, dmitry, by doing so , the united states is stimulating, in uh, the even faster formation of its global rival. it's very interesting and very accurate. uh, and uh, it seems to me that in america , in general, they don’t understand china very well, and he doesn’t tell me, mr. ambassador, that in america there were absolutely naive hopes, from my point of view, that as like china becoming more advanced and richer they will embrace american values ​​and the american political system. and it seems to me, too, what do you know, no worse than me after your stay in new york, that, in general, russian americans look at many things differently, it is very difficult for americans to believe that russia can win in

ukraine, and here i am a question for you about how much e in china they understand, but russian psychology. it seems to me that, uh, uh, in china they think in other terms of time. look how many decades. they tolerate that taiwan is independent from them. well, they could crush, uh, a protest movement in hong kong that was accompanied by a lot of violence. well, in general, they were looking for some intermediate solutions. and i’m interested in your opinion, when they look at the russian special operation, when moscow acted more decisively than possible in similar circumstances, and what was the reaction of the chinese leadership to say russia makes its decisions, we might

not have done that, they did, well, those by doing so, they are distracting america from china. so what? generally? it's probably not so bad for us or they may be, as they say, more and more no one in china, there is some disappointment, some concern about the actions of russia and they have ulterior motives to what extent they should expose russia uh-huh. thank you for this very interesting question, and again you have formulated two answers, and i can choose any one, but i, uh, would like to go a little differently . see e from the point of view. e, answering the first part of your question with points of view. er china's military-political thinking er, then er, it has a good foundation in the mists of time. this is the work of a well-known military strategist named sunzhi. this is about the fourth century bc, somewhere practically

the time of confucius . eh, this is it. uh, myth like they are. that is, military tricks, all sorts of military inventions, and according to this mindset, if one can win without the use of military force. if you can win by cunning, then this, of course, should be done china e. well called? uh, squinting your eyes forward , you won’t go to any military adventures. and if there were moments in chinese history, let me remind you in february 1979, the seventy-ninth year, the attack on vietnam e. well, by the way, this is an inglorious war, i must say, it doesn’t use any in china either. well, let's put it this way, it is not fanned by some myths, it is not considered a glorious page in the modern history of china. returning to the e part of your question

regarding ukraine and in the known world of taiwan, e, they have seen it always and everywhere. uh, china declared that he would release? taiwan , by any means necessary for this , let me remind you that the qingan ambassador to the united states of america, by the way, was recently elected to a high party post at the party congress, which, in general, promises a certain, let's say, elevation in his public career, but as long as he remains, uh, the us ambassador, uh, he said china will liberate taiwan . sorry about mine. uh, english uh-huh that's all, peacefully, if possible, also by military means, if necessary, and this position china will not changes and will not change, because this is an existential issue for china from a military point of view. taiwan is a province. china, with a

population of 24 million, is well armed. but this population is a resource. well, how less than shanghai, comparable to beijing, the second largest chinese city, or rather, the third first is still the city of chongqing, where the population is 30 million people. in general, be that as it may, it seems to me that despite the constant attempts of the united states, e, to provoke china, it is a little annoying to prick. here is the visit of the uh speaker. yes, the house of representatives is nothing more than just such an attempt to somehow tease china . and maybe, maybe, judging by the comments that followed this trip, and incite. china, that is, to try to drag it into this taiwanese story from the outside, but with well-known victims , the chinese leadership and personally the chairman ping still had enough composure. remind me, this was before the convention. everything is still in time. you need to somehow compare.

enough composure let's say these tricks. so don't get caught on the other side. now, as for ukraine, you see in china , uh, we have always been called russians, russia, uh, a warlike nation or a militant nation is such a chinese verbal turnover, and i, uh, working in china more than once had to prove that this is not so, that we are something just really peaceful, but our history over the past centuries has evolved in such a way that we all the time had to fend off something from someone from here, and our reputation, as far as ukraine is concerned, is china, it’s probably inappropriate to talk about support express support for our military operation. china in principle cannot, because it is connected, it faces the same problems. i mean the same kind of hong kong, by the way, you mentioned hong kong that china is called there did not go on the rampage. well, the situation, it was he who decided it,

as it is prescribed by the sunja in his binfa treatise, and now there pah-pah, everything is calm and god forbid what happened next. well, with regard to ukraine yes, there is no support, but there is an understanding of the understanding of motives, as was said, at a very high level in china as early as the fourteenth year of e, we understand the historical roots and the political and political background. then this wording was added for security reasons, we understand russia's concern for its security; moreover, it seems to me that the chinese are accused of the united states and the supply of weapons of military equipment to ukraine by the united states and nato of this delay, and the military conflict in ukraine , and even if a china provides material support to russia during the special operation. he definitely completely supports russia on european security issues. and this

seems to me a very important change in chinese foreign policy, because china has never taken any definite position on european security issues. yes, and on asian issues yes, the south china sea, territorial disputes. yes, but on european security issues. china preferred to soak. and now, when china systematically criticizes the policy of nato expansion, it says that it was this policy that in many ways led and led to the current conflict in the first place. it's very important of them er, in er chinese politics. this is also one of the indicators, and the current state of russian- chinese relations is not the union because we do not undertake obligations, for example, on mutual defense. we remain independent centers of power relative to each other, two great nuclear powers. but at the same time, the intensity of our interaction , military-technical, political , economic, and in many respects

exceeds many examples of allied relations. well, i would add to that. sorry very short. uh, the fact is that until a certain time quite recently, china treated nato as something you know far away, removed during our conversations. well, let's say at the level of expert political scientists. yes, even within the framework of the foreign ministry consultations, and china was generally reluctant to support conversations about the essence. uh, nato policy nato considering that it's out there somewhere, it's not our wedding, as they say, that's where you came? well, that's it, and it's that and it's that, it must have come to asia and now this one is becoming for china too. existential, if want here from the big i in summing up i want to move on to the funny. although unfortunately, since it concerns the relations between, uh, russia and ukraine, how would laughing be more expensive for yourself? no, it’s true, but the presidential one constantly pleases us

with some new revelations. and now , uh, mr. zelensky shared his plans for the rest next summer. let's listen. i also love crimea, like my wife, and therefore i will be happy to come to our ukrainian, crimea by the sea, when your vacation in crimea in the summer of 2023 is a good option the weather is good there in summer. well, of course, kind of funny, but on the other hand, uh, this is also being done in the context of many other less humorous statements about how ukraine is going to seize crimea and seize crimea by military means. and here i would like to say one obvious thing, of course, the

fact that crimea belonged to ukraine for 30 years can cause kiev certain appetites and certain illusions. well, what are they doing? that ukraine belonged to russia for more than 300 years, if china is for it, uh time, here, as if they were watching, watching and hoping to find stories, then in russia , probably, the mood is a little more activist and in that story we need to help. it seems to me that russia has no serious plans now to return ukraine. although legal arguments. i looked at this, legal arguments could be more weighty than about ukraine for the possession of crimea, but i don’t

think that at this stage russia has a desire to subordinate its entire foreign policy, but in general, in many respects, the course of its internal life, but such a colossal task as liberation of ukraine for this only if russell does not force, if russia is not put in a position where ukraine is hoping for the support of the west if you want some artificial flexibility in moscow if ukraine does not force russia to do what russia did in leningrad what russia did stalingrad that is, to do everything necessary not because i wanted to, but because i left no other choice. i would highly advise mr. zelensky, i don’t think he listens to

my advice, but still one friendly advice from moscow before you u promise to spend your holidays in the crimea think about how you would not have to leave kiev think about your axis. think about it because this kind of e is small, but if you want fanformism, such behavior of a bully in relation to such a great power, like russia, has never been justified in history dmitry thank you dmitry a. andrey ivanovich thank you very much for this exceptionally interesting conversation, and the big game will be back in a few moments. thanks, russia really has an atomic bomb, minister, vyshinsky remains silent, perhaps the most

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the air of the big game, we have already started talking about the confrontation that the united states is having against china, and it, of course, e has not only a political and diplomatic military, but also an economic dimension, and the trump administration unleashed a trade war against china and started a war biden’s tech administration retained all the tariffs that were introduced by the trump administration and sharply, and intensified the tech e war against china took a course for full breeding. e, china united states in e. technological field. well, uh, formerly uh, trump administration united states trade representative robert lighthizer believes that the current measures of economic war against china are not enough and recommend tougher measures. i apologize for the

tautology, but economic containment and, above all, technological containment. and china, in order to consolidate, as he says, american economic superiority. and over china, listen to what he offers in his article in the new york times. america's china policy really needs to change in order to truly ensure that economic relations between the two countries, will continue to benefit america, the time has come to adopt a clear policy of strategic separation of our economy from theirs , not a complete separation, but one that should be carried out gradually and in an orderly manner. first of all. we must gradually impose tariffs on all chinese imports to the us until a trade balance is achieved. secondly, we must deal with our technologies. in particular. we must tighten our export controls to further restrict the types of technology that allowed for export and those to whom they can

get. we need to stop the integration of our cutting-edge industries and obstruct american high-tech manufacturing in china and put in place more policies such as laws on chips that allocate billions of dollars to help companies pay for the construction or the width of american computer chip factories, and also for worker research and training and prudent tax and regulatory policies to ensure that advanced technology stay at home or with our allies. finally. we must limit us investment in china and chinese investment in our industries our investment strengthens their economy and military, and offshores sometimes critical supply chains their investment in the united states often results in the loss of technology and sensitive data. well, firstly, i must note here that globalization in the form in which we have known it for the last 30-40 years was

largely based on precisely the american -chinese economic interdependence intense relationship. yes, and the lighthizer, uh, they offer them, uh, to destroy it just got fed, respectively, probably, to destroy globalization, but here is vladimir dmitrievich. how do you think? measures like these will allow the united states to truly consolidate and american economic dominance, even at the cost of burying globalization. well, firstly, i must say that mr. fleiheiser was in the us trade representative under trump, and in fact, i don’t know whether to call him an ideologue or get down a geologist of that trade the war that was then unleashed. uh, including it was he who stood at the origins, uh, agreements that trump actively sought uh, an agreement with china in which certain agreements were reached on, so to speak , regulated supplies of relevant

goods, they were especially interested, including the sale of american food in china agricultural products and so on. here. eh, that's why even then, under trump, they were essentially talking about moving away from globalization and starting some kind of new round of protectionism in the era. management as trump, so he talked a lot, so now, in general, lifehazia repeats exactly what he said, there was nothing new in this a few years ago. no. ah, then trump's policy did not lead to any results, despite the introduction of tariffs, despite this endless pressure, and yet. uh, china, uh, adapted to this quite flexibly and, uh, overcame all this quite calmly, the same will be and now and how correctly experts say today. china in many ways. uh, if you don’t catch up, then they come close to the united states of america in technological

development in a number of positions is ahead of vova and even exceeds it, so to speak, exceeds it. therefore, today, firstly. uh, of course, that's the kind of statements. they are purely democratic and rather, they are more like that. uh, political nature in the light of the general, i guess. the setting of the united states of america discussions between the republican -democrats and so forth, this is the first. second , if we speak objectively about the fact that we want to end globalization and let's destroy china e. it seems to me that this is generally from, well, the order of such mythologies of myth-making. why because really? we can agree with your thesis that, of course, this globalization was largely determined by, uh, the growth of cooperation in china's integration into international economic relations, but still, uh, more widely. if you look at this problem, it 's related to creation. uh, uh, the world

trade organization and what, well, or the pre-general agreement on tariffs and trade. here, uh, which in fact, it paved the way for free, so to speak, trade cooperation between countries and determined the rules of the game, these global rules of the game, in which china began to feel pretty good . ah, therefore, in order to stop globalization, in order to lock ourselves into our national economy, as lifehazia suggests. they must destroy the wto because if they do not change the institutions of international trade does not change the institutions of international financial relations. and these are closely interconnected. today international trade international financial market. it's just like, well, i can't say that it's the same thing, but it's a very intertwined thing, because there are many prices for many goods, there are many exchange prices. uh, trades somehow go through and are hedged through the financial market. that is, it is not easy. so, today we have banned the supply of such products or imposed some kind of

duty on some products. this, among other things, also includes international relations, loans , interest, in general, everything. connection. e between the us and china, maybe someone would say so, you might want to , and really it's time. and let's see what they will do without them. but of course , today for china it will be if the americans take this path, it will be difficult. but it will be much more surmountable for them, and the consequences for the states of america may be much more serious. well , it seems to me that the united states is just on a direct course towards the destruction or at least weakening of the vto even under the administration. obama they changed the rules wto and trans-regional trade agreements such as tp trans pacific transatlantic trade investment partnership, but another was signed, but there was not, but trade wars, and

the biden administration continues to pursue protectionist policies. and by the way, i would like to draw your attention to the fact that the lifehizer, despite the fact that he is really such an ardent furious trumpist, he does not criticize the economy. the biden administration's policy towards china he says everything is correct, but it needs to be even stronger. yes but he does not say that this policy is wrong. and this just confirms the anti-chinese consensus. and the fact that the republicans will probably pursue an even tougher policy towards china, but also the fact that the current biden administration , in principle, is also doing the same. eh, destroying the course, thus not quickly, yes, but gradually destroying. uh world trade economic order. i would add to this the fact that, and as always, we are already seeing this for a long time, including sanctions in russia’s relations, such as some kind of

the vision is one-sided so to speak, we will introduce and win, but the answer will be the widespread introduction of new duties, including on american goods today and in india and in china in many other countries that are under this. and so to speak , they are recognized as still developing strange. they all keep certain prices for everything for many goods. and i will only increase. uh, will increase these deals, so it seems to me that it will just cause a wave of uh restrictions and, as a result, uh, a side that, so to speak, is proud of its technology industry. you just close. well, that is, economic prosperity and economic dominance, the united states will definitely not gain through this policy. they have grown due to imports of this technological, not only technological, but also the rest of the imports, for which they actually transferred to developing countries vladimirovich, well, here it is necessary not only

to note the economic side, the geopolitical side, and uh, globalization in the american ends globalization, as in asterzalization , how the imposition of western approaches in every sense of the word simply ends at a break in this transition to a new system of international relations. and then we will conditionally say, rather than american-style globalization, but rather orientalization, but rather orientalization of the entire system of international relations, and it is not known which is better from the point of view. uh, there will be economics of geopolitics. uh, because they will offer us the east. this is a very, very big question. the next point related to this is that globalization as such cannot end because the world has become too connected formed, and the lines of the gap. they are artificial they are imposed by the west, and sooner or later and they will fall the world has become too connected before we could not imagine that we are 2 minutes. we can write a message and they will read it. i have them there in the united states

of america today. this is possible, respectively, the connectedness of the world is broken temporarily is another question. who will manage the connectedness of the world of the future, it is obvious that the center of gravity is shifting to greater eurasia, where the north russia will be south india, the east will be china, but with the west, oddly enough, it will not be the west in our current understanding of turkey, and this quadrangle. yes, in which there will be circles - the international relations of the future will circle. it becomes more and more significant precisely in terms of. e joining the efforts of states, e, who used to think that they were on the margins of the world political process. and today they are increasingly coming to dominance and no doubt. this is brix and the highway, and many other organizations. uh, around which yeah will be built, if you will, the globalization of the future, but in fact a new, uh, world

order. i really liked this thesis and i completely agree with it that we misunderstood globalization as unification and universalization. globalization should be understood as an interconnectedness of interdependence, which has not only economic, but also political e. measurement included. security vision, ah and it's not going to go away, ah, but back to the united states' china policy. undoubtedly, the united states is trying as much as possible to buy its european ones into this policy. that is, it is not enough for them that the european countries have already brought down. thus, their economic relations with russia have sharply undermined their economic interdependence. now the united states is trying to get the europeans from china to bring down their relations as well. let's follow the path of this american policy to cupling or a-ra-uncoupling. well, absolutely. e, so to

speak, e became not only geopolitical, but also, uh, far from everyone in europe is using economic maps, but they are ready to follow this path impeccably without resistance. we see that olaf-scholz, chancellor of germany a, for example, made a visit to ne. before the baidan arrived there, he wrote an article in a foreign, face. uh, where u said that germany did not want to pursue u a policy of decoupling u from china and scholz for this, is still being criticized very harshly. both outside and inside. and here is an example of such criticism. hear what german experts write german experts prominent german experts on pages of the american magazine forina, the face is exactly where scholz published his article tsaitonda, e. a change of eras. and now i 'm talking about an article that torstan berner wrote . this is the director of the institute for global

public policy in berlin and liana fix. e, who worked for the kerbera foundation for many years. i was involved in international projects there. and now she is a european fellow at the american council on foreign relations. here listen since the war in ukraine continues a little. which of the german politicians would challenge the assertion that berlin should reduce its energy dependence on moscow, in fact, the german government did just that, and at least in words the german leaders also promise to weaken the country's economic dependence on china. however, until now, scholz did not dare to violate the status in relations with beijing in many ways , because the russian war and high energy prices have negatively affected the german economy large german companies that are heavily dependent on the chinese market are seeking to expand their activities. instead of in order to reduce it, but since germany's economic ties with china are so deep and complex, much more so.