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Understanding 9/11tv Oleg Tselkov 1TV December 24, 2022 12:40am-1:35am MSK
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he was reconciled. i like that he didn't get sick. what did he not die for a long time like? i like it that he somehow just flew away somehow and everyone was surprised, and they said it as the last applause in general for everything about him all his life and everything. wasn't it a great loss for you, no reason to grieve. no , it's not sad. it's wonderful wonderful. he didn't leave young. he left already. in general, almost under 90 years old. he lived a wonderfully happy life and did what he loved. have you ever talked about leaving, as if to to the one who remains, the man must always leave first, oleg said, because a woman has children for a woman. there are grandchildren
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, great-grandchildren of a woman, somehow she is more needed, and then a child for men, if he is left alone. this is no longer life. this is already some kind of god's punishment, so i'm very glad that i stayed. because all the same, he will live in his paintings and in the general work that he did and served, in general, he will remain. a shocked spectator always stands near the picture of oleg tsiolkoff. he cannot tear himself away from the images of the enormous fantastic monsters with some kind of special childish expression on their huge faces, masks of space with a blazing fiery light
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coming from the depths of the paintings. how to understand who are strange characters to you? they have all the characteristics of a human being. they are not people of the muzzle. so the artist himself called these creatures these modifications. what are and what will we leave forever? oleg tselkov was born into the simplest moscow family, but at a very difficult time, while he grew up during the holidays of building communism. quite easily side by side with the arrests camps, war devastation, but the boy still grew up successfully graduated from art
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school, and then he began to have problems, because he did not want to paint the correct soviet life with the right colors, but painted something like this safely. kicked out of the two institutions for the inconsistency of the lack of realism to enroll seam, the hostel was not. i went looking around here. and i stumbled upon this apartment by accident, i was not particularly looking for anything, what a young guy needs, you understand, in which the sea is knee-deep, generally speaking, that's stumbled, means on a woman who had a boy of about fourteen, and we are two students. it was one room. she gave us two corners to the students. and with such a locker fenced off. uh, slept there with the boy behind this one. well , here's a thing. so, it was i settled here came. the floor was cement.
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you can go inside here window. which served me as light, here the hostess washed. and the easel, maybe, took place accordingly? here by the window and here i mean, i ruined the paints on a strip of some kind of force a newspaper and a rag to drip for me. well , however, this floor was not such a simple cement floor there was not a terrible drip here for some reason. i remember again, and here i was washing something in a trough on a board. here's the whole story of this picture painted no, well, 3-4 pictures painted here 34 pictures, despite all the unsettledness, the unrecognized loneliness. he worked so furiously talented that in his workshop in the sixties of the last century,
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they sought to get into a sect related to the world of the soviet goddess. lucy came to him gurchenko and bought a painting from him. she came with a friend and said whispered such. you look how a genius lives with us, and kabakov rostropovich also visited his workshop. bulatov vysotsky shemyakin yuzalishkovsky, why were they little drawn to him? after all, who can gather such an inner circle to realize the blood was very easy, he was already just drunk, he liked to drink, because he liked it. at first, he occupied the entire space. he began to read poetry to talk to talk to tell never talked about himself never
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spoke to painting, but painting never spoke about its own affairs, how can this be done there? breaking into some gallery or getting some kind of order there, some benefits somehow it was all completely uninteresting to him once and in this apartment the following happened really very colorful very early mute in the door. the bell rang. my mother opened it and said, oleg, this is for you. so, to my room where i slept, he was the first to enter the stew and put 3 or 4 bottles of dry white on my chest. guilt. they followed him in. akhmadulina joseph brodsky followed him, he was such a sting, vasily was all of us. and she immediately ran to my mother with a request to give her something to wear. i swam all wet in the canal, we
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drank, so to speak, i haven’t dressed yet, sitting in bed, we drank dry bottles, eh. all together after that they sat down, in one single car and vtushenko, and she was a little muscovite. today we were like four floors, it was already 9:00 o'clock. or maybe that 9:30 and already the car was not so many cars at all then there were not very many when we drove up, uh, to mm leningrad highway. suddenly surrounded said, guys, let me go. i am an old man. i am a frontline soldier. i'm tired. i can not do it anymore. means already let out four together. it is strange that with such a company spirit, such a broad soul, the culks did not unite with anyone, did not join anyone, did not pour into any fashionable artistic trends. he was such a separate person in every sense, and he connects to each other masons. he is close
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was friends. yes, i lured him to him and it will be necessary already and e. a huge number yes, just great artists who periodically came to our country, but from the brochka. he managed to make friends. it's hard to imagine something more different. and what is the poetry of brutsky and what are these crazy colors, but these strange works of oleg tsiolkov, he was simply considered the greatest artist in general, for him, he was the greatest of russian artistic culture in 1971. brodsky writes a poem, the artists call it rembrandt paints a picture of a self-portrait with rendrom. you can call it a mystical coincidence. but, rather, all the same, so the kinship of the souls of two friends, firstly, because also take away the participation
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of one of my inspirers. i would say. he will inspire the teacher, he is the person who set me up, suddenly lit up my path, he says. eh, small he you, where to go? you need to look, i and he, i and he are equal, i don’t know that i’m zero, but he is because all artists, if they are artists artists, the most mediocre artists are equal to the most gifted the only brotherhood we are all artists and we all stand in a single row a single row, an artist of some kind, like monks in a monastery, if they really are brothers, he is a rare type of this. the pure sixties generation is absolutely the best generation, i think in terms of culture
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that it gave, so to speak, to modern culture, after all, the virgin was completely his own among them, he was such an ideal member of the sixties. here is the first period, when they had ideas, they had ideals, they had a style of behavior, it is god forbid there to harm someone and say something worse than this is better. on in fact, you didn't really care about anything. everything happened in his head. these were images of his consciousness with them. he fought, made friends, drank, lived. it was the quality of consciousness. this is such a rare property. he was completely unbiased sixties. he was always absolutely sure from the very, as it were, school time, he was absolutely sure of his genius, therefore, he seemed to have such a genius complex. uh, and he took everything for granted, that's what is
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admired. i understood what was in front of me a grandiose figure, brilliant, in general, i understood everything that what he was doing. it's unique, it's inimitable and it's pointless to imitate it. here but i just imitated his way of being, that is, creativity - this is the basis of everything e endless dedication. the artist himself, trying to explain what is going on in his head when he draws his invented characters, once very strangely said that in this way he tore off the masks from humanity. that's how he didn't hesitate. here fly to heaven. and this is an artist who, as it were, said that i i am engaged here in a person with what is available to us for perception. this is really such an unexpected, not uh, not canonically for
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russian culture, look at a person by russian culture of any person, a good kind one and only power spoils him. you see, here, uh, just this is the cruelty of cynicism, there uh plane. eh, in general, all these vices, all this is shown on an ordinary person. it 's not like he was forced to. here uh, that is, as if man is bad, man is badly vulnerable. eh, lo and behold , limited. here is nothing. we are there especially to admire at all on this mirror. it shows us in an unsightly light, so look at these things. we do not like. in principle, leave a mirror in front of people in order to offend, anger, make them think. i can give here and an analogy with horror, which in general, and on the whole, embrace anyone. i'm not even talking at home yet just a
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feeling person when we live during an epidemic. there are different times, there is a war, there is a plague, there is covid, there is stalinism, there is fascism, there are different times, they don’t choose a mask. it mask. this is what will be in the center. church, who, in general, knew more about people than we try to know. lord portraits and his guise there, too, writhing to notice. this is very important. he never judged anyone. why did he write such a thing, after all, he could not be called a misanthrope of a low opinion of mankind.
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it is customary, as it were, to consider that thanks to our orthodox religion, what? man is the likeness of god and the name of the bridge dektsinkov on the fact that man is not the likeness of god at all, but quite the opposite. something nasty enough of it's in general, at the core i expressed very clearly there every time there is a mask that is a fantasy. this is unusual, this is a whey on the inside out. my masks mean something completely different. it is a cast, literally a mask. i took off the mask the same with the color it's innate.
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like any wild man wild, i seized on such colors that it is quite impossible to forget them. what makes him different from other artists? he painted first on a white canvas, or there on some kind of toned canvas, he painted with a palette knife , he laid out such a surface that reminiscent of such light ripples on the water, or something, he has precious canvases. they they shone,
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professions are not terrible, what where when is the final of the year? hockey where emotions are at the maximum you need high coefficients dinline your hockey app humility a face without a face without individuality and incredible crazy i would say acid flavor, very fashionable today shelkov with a hum of light, and sveta and he simultaneously wrote several works. and when he himself makes them glaze evenings, which no one taught. i don't belong no particular school. and
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moreover, i have even already said, i do not find any clear forerunners in history, which i can say, this is the one. who i don’t have this at all, but everyone taught, but did not teach. that's it, you know, i learned to draw with a pencil from repin by the way, the oil of musurikov, there is no such artist that i can say in my painting. that's what this one taught me, and here's this one, and here i'm not in color, nor in composition, but most importantly, i don't have a character. i am i consider myself self-taught first, first, and was completely literate in the art of man in the old. he allowed you to be
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around in the workshop when he worked, as he did. this painting, can you tell? i do n't want to talk about it at all. i am not an expert. it will be dealt with by smart people. what works are the most favorite for you about favorite. no. there is no work. i always liked everything. i even liked it best when he did it. his first drawing, because, firstly, he prepared it for a very long time. it was the whole process. i liked it so much even more than the pictures, because there was everything in this here in this. uh stroke. just like a child, here is a drawing, and i really liked it. i always say, why do you paint over leaves like this, and you are not offended that looking at such a beautiful wife, he painted these faces galina vishnevskaya said eh, he so
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overate the beauty of his wife. first, wildly lucky with music being music is the hardest job the world has ever had. this family always stood behind him, as oleg's fortress held job. they kept the job and the only woman. this is tonya, his wife, my mother. their love is very difficult to describe, because they lived 50 years together. they did not part for a minute. and when mama e disappeared from view. i only heard and where is tonya and tony here, and where is tonya, and even when she went to the bakery or to the pharmacy,
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she told him that she would lie down in 10 minutes. i'm coming mom. i'm waiting for you. hmm and just like that, uh, 50 years have passed. it's an absolutely amazing relationship. i think that there was and there was and was both passion and insane respect and awe to each other and there were no betrayals, there were never betrayals, there never was, because mom, when she talked about oleg, even during her lifetime, for some reason, she always had tears in her eyes or happiness or joy, or even some kind of terrible empathy. they felt each other like no one else. i can say, as a daughter, that this is not always pleasant, because there
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was no place for anyone and nothing for their relationship. they seemed to be perfect with each other. it's just how much earlier you behaved loosely, how you are not very beautiful. let's face it, there was simply no need for so many other women, that's all. he saw no one but her. and they she answered him with the same ardent love as his, it was such a harmonious couple about your story of meeting oleg at one time. all moscow spoke. you remember how it really was. i was the wife of leni hay officer and once in a theater library. we met a drunken ruble, because everyone in moscow knew him, because he was very famous, where people went
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to see his paintings. and when he showed it to me. i say, so he says, this is money money. my husband tells me, and i look, she is such a drunken face, and i say, fu what a genius he is. i say, he's just drunk and god punished me, and i became his wife. how many years later did this happen? after how many years? well, after the first meeting in about five years. yes, after the first meeting in about five years, i guess. yes , like this. didn't you communicate before he proposed to you communicated, no, you didn't communicate, but he just took my hand. said your wife is some drunk company who was sitting around us, so you immediately agreed, and i agreed, because then we people left when he left me. i think i agreed because i had nowhere to run. and nobody offered me anything. it was your destiny. well, you see,
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the lord ordered it the same way. songs big cities at an exhibition in beekeeping, where would you stand in line, as we took once, you see, then you don’t forget for the rest of your life 2 whole days worked at exhibitions at the kurchatov institute and this exhibition was closed, i don’t understand comrades, i’m with them conversation like this, when i looked, i saw enough of this, i asked, i listen to him, comrades of the lord, you and the family are real men, because they are not faggots. excuse me. we are already in our pants and therefore answer, fill in the leg and
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get a passport. if you want, we are exiled to prison , please. no, you are satisfied, you can say that now the most cruel questions will not be very much at sunset. the thaw took the informals of the moscow avant-garde seriously and the threat of exclusion from the union of artists loomed over the tsiolks. he could become unemployed and share the fate of joseph brodsky be deported 101 km from moscow a. how did it happen that instead they went to france and, you know, he had no desire to leave at all, he never, uh, was involved in these political affairs, he was not a member of any groups, he was a dissident. he wasn’t even at this exhibition, the famous bulldozer, but at one time the rabbin
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organized just a temporary departure to see something and he suggested that all the artists should be told that they were all released, and oleg vavili, when we processed the documents, they said, and we would offered to leave. and so with group. we won't let you out. and if you go, we completely made a green light for you, and he somehow immediately said, yes, just like that right away, it was so unexpected not for me and for me and for him, too, it was such a shock. just. i even cried so much and said that you were doing something for some reason. he says let's go. or have lived here for half a lifetime. try so half an hour to give all half an hour. we're almost on the runway and these electronic clocks are running faster. that's
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all there was, that's all there was. in order to say they flew, but what to live on for him, the material side of life existed. oleg knew how to make money on his paintings, in general, he knew his own worth. i can tell you a story that looks like just a joke, but it was true a few years ago. i went to my mom's for lunch. and suddenly oleg comes out and olga says to me listen and show me the euro. and this is how they look. well, that was four years ago. here is your answer. that is, he absolutely knew the price of his paintings, but i think that in
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fact there is no such money that could be paid for his work. you know, i. uh, recently. when i was cleaning things, i found his notebook of the fifty-sixth year, where it was, where it was written, where it was painted. e. there is some kind of inventory painting written there and oleg calculated it. he told me this story. how much should he earn when he lived in moscow he should have written it with a black pen on a white sheet. i have to earn a salary as a cleaner from the station and for this he is. he sold one picture, two sometimes very rarely, and with this money he and his mother lived, and in paris how did you get settled? how did you cope? they say your mother has become the main breadwinner in the family. this is how my mother immediately began to make
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dumplings in very large good restaurants in paris, like every russian person, and even lent us money at first. and she had such a notebook. she wrote the debt she wrote, and then every year she added, she did the ellipsis added for a long time, so you did not give. well, anyway, it was funny. well, they worked like all migrants lived, and these ones i drew and all the conditions. in general, he had uh, us consciously, when they would leave uh hmm from moscow uh. e zhenya's friend yevtushenko, an englishman, came and wanted to buy a painting. oleg told us. uh, not needed now. here is the money. we immigrate, we leave. if you can, then we will write to you
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, call you, and you will buy from us in paris and really in a month or two months. ah, he came and actually bought three paintings, and it was 55,000 francs. for me. it seemed like a lot. big. i just thought we were very rich. we immediately rented a large apartment in which we live at the age of 45 and still have four waves, russian immigration showed that it is destructive for a person who is often torn forever from his usual life, it is especially destructive for the soul for the russian soul, especially for the artistic soul very often. it turns out that far from the homeland that offended him, the artist had nothing to write with, as it was a whole lot of tsiolk, and once in
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paris, he turned out to be, as it were, face to face with himself. so, er, transformi is undergoing a rather significant transformation of his life, his character, because this character really takes on features. ah, and very facial expressions change, sometimes this person, who is scared sometimes he is wildly pleased with something and there he drags his finger forward, and something incredibly led him to delight sometimes he is drunk sometimes. he's kind of sleepy and kind of. well, in general, this is a whole range. e feelings, which here is which he is trying, as if, looking in the mirror to convey, he did not judge the regime, which he also understood everything and would go beyond the borders. where they tried to snatch everything, because people tend to have an illusion.
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here we have gone to another world, and we will be different. no, we won't run away from ourselves chulkov knew this very well, he understood that he was a stranger to the soviet union, he was a stranger to art institutions. he was an outsider in the company. his fellow artists are always respected, always in demand at least collectors were. doesn't matter. he just knew that he was different this colossal courage. i'd say he was a boner who had.
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time passed and everything became like in a fairy tale. it's so good that you even bought yourself a house in france, so i wanted to buy something so much, because we never had our own housing, and i thought that if we had something happens, after all, it was the world in which to go under the sky with these pictures it was necessary to somehow save. at least what he did, which i did in the living quarters of works and albert with a finished canvas
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for me to continue and so, here i put the canvas on the easel. i put it on the volbert and make a few pieces in it, they just stand. some stand for three years on it. so, and some one and a half this indispensable condition for cancer is that it seems to me that it’s still not successful enough, and yet i don’t know how of this i don’t know, what to do. and what to do with this marriage going on. that's what then i flip the canvas. sometimes throws out sometimes i like it process. i flip the canvas,
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here's the marriage. almost all of these paintings remained unfinished. he felt the nearness of the end, he never thought, but it's interesting how in these last days he sometimes had such twilight states. that's not for long. he suddenly somehow left and suddenly looked. he's talking to me, you heard me just talking. they think that i portrayed christ and, apparently, him. it's a little somehow already at the end something was there, something bothered him. didn't even bother. something scratched scratched, what do you mean. he was in his own world, in his own world, reading poetry and
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arguing about something all the time. here's another one too. here i have this riddle that after all, he returned before his death in secret. supper, that's me very much all the time, even i think, why did he either feel it, then he was afraid of the ice, what he wrote, or, perhaps, did he really see something? maybe someone actually said something to him. did you hear me say, did you hear me say? not cry for me, argentina
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we have learned to control the energy of the atom and are moving forward into a safe tomorrow in a world where distance is not terrible. we create the future and open the way with new ideas and professions rosatom on the picture was written in a state of, as it were, a tragic question, how could it be that if a person about the house of god means god has a likeness of a person, if a person is what god is, i don’t know, well, what a person i know, but since a person is the likeness of god, i know what god is like to
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say so. well, or what? here is the wheel of this picture of this picture, that is, it is as unconditionally unconditional. what is the name of, uh, theomachism, of course, it is unconditional. such an anarchist challenge is unconditional. so aga carries to this day day. you know, it's impossible to see this picture and forget it. it's like a revelation, you have the same feeling when i saw his last supper, he lived in such a place. uh, in my opinion, in such a khrushchev with low ceilings, this canvas stood, it occupied the space from ceiling to floor close to the wall. you know, there was such an
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impression that the light bulbs were turned on behind this canvas, so they shone. these people , but not for long before death. he puzzled me a lot. one day on the phone. he is talking to the bear. realized that in the last i have achieved something. i say, and what oleg is he saying, i’ll show you somehow, it’s not time yet. of course, i was eager to see. what did it achieve? i came to him, and he showed me new works on the walls. there appeared a huge number of eyes. it turned out so surrealistic , somewhere even metaphysical. and so he was very pleased with this last find of his, which he used until the last day. and the conversation it was rather
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sad because he said, mishka, for the last time in my life, i varnished the picture. i washed my brushes for the last time. and i don't touch the canvas anymore. i say what oleg is, he says, i don’t see the bear, with my finished work done, uh, my work. i need to clearly see where the line ends, where it begins, everything is blurred for me, he says, i no longer touch the canvases. but don't worry, i don't get depressed. i will drink a little more wine. i came up with a new way of life and stuff. is it true that he stopped seeing long before his death? i want to tell you that apparently he is so
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he was afraid to say something to me, because later, when he was gone, we were already talking. it turned out that he told a lot of people, but he stopped working. after the new year, the paintings were brought, he primed them all specially, they had to dry out and already in february in march. he had to start working. and i see that he is somehow not very good. he says. yes, i'll have time, i'll have time, i already have everything in my head. i'm waiting for light here light understood little? what all? this i think that after that what was it like to live there. not interested, he was such a real artist. from the fact that
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doing here in this world is nothing to do, you understand that? he died like a true artist. here is a character, yes, for i don’t know who else is like that, who else died like that and there is something mystical in the fact that the artist lost his sight lost the ability to see the world lost his vitality these two worlds and the real real ones and those painted by him in his mind do not could exist without each other. gone into an eighty-year-old man who lived an absolutely amazing interesting wonderful life and what a life such a life extraordinary, uh, hmm interesting. why is it so painful and suddenly i realized i got the answer to this question. i have the impression that the
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child is gone. and the death of a child it is always impossible because the frequency of it is absolutely crystal clear inside. always reminded him, his amazing sense of humor e. the ease of his e attitude of his genius, which i knew for sure, but he was laying down, he was light, like air once they asked how life is with a genius, and she answered you know very easily. this is the first
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time at all in our lives something to us belonged. and then oleg jokingly on the very first evening. it was 40 years ago he says. i’m lying in the ground, i can’t see into the distance, you put me to rest, he pours it, and this is what happened in general, 45-43 years. later we buried him in the cemetery. all the peasants were in this village. everyone cried him very hard. the information channel on the first continues
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its work on the air, the program time will show with you anatoly kuzichev. and now everyone is discussing, and we also discussed new deliveries to ukraine and tried to understand, these are the most notorious petri systems. what does this mean, is it a symbolic act? or just say so, e to this test site, which the americans set up, there and from ukraine. they will supply more and more and more, this is just the first, so to speak, the first sign of the future deliveries. well, look, and then there is a radical opinion appeared. this is the former commander of the european army. and nato general. philip brill said that none of your patriots are enough. we need a much more powerful weapon. that's what for? it is very difficult to wage war when the enemy army has have a safe hiding place in their territory. we need to revise our rules on the weapons we supply to
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ukraine, and thereby give it more room to strike deeper at the aggressor. this means that the war must come to the territory of russia no, it is to say, really. yura is right. this is quite logical. moreover, yesterday i did n’t call for escalation, i never call for escalation, on the contrary, but i said that, of course, all this will seem to the americans some distant computer game, until they feel it in their own skin. how can you feel it through the economy, that it is unlikely that this american is quite firmly on its feet through sensitive losses. through i don't know something else, but somehow . yes, as long as there is not a drop on dima, of course, some kind of computer game you press a button, some little people. you know, you cross out some drivers, and this is not playing people. this is life, so yes, from the point of view of logic, of course, of course, there are reasons. at such a statement from a policy perspective. alexei petrovich i don't even know, here's how you feel about this, how often in the opinion of a retiree. well, you know
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, nonsense, he often expresses an opinion that is discussed on the sidelines of the same pentagon, that is, they believe that you can take one more step and try, and pull the bear by the mustache. yes , what do they think? what if he reacts there, and if he doesn’t react, then you can take the next step, after all, if we remember, it all started with the fact that we supplied non-lethal weapon. yes, first-aid kits there are walkie-talkies, but what we saw ended up with heavy systems and highmars and so on. they continue. they think they want to apparently grope. and where is the red line, but the red line is the same as the socket pulls the current. but that is, the politicians responded with something, and they couldn’t even react, but they wouldn’t want to, while there are cautious people who say that in fact everything even reaches such an extent that it’s not clear where it really is red line so they try restore dialogue along the line. general staff. well, he is trying to talk to our boss, yes, but still in the world regarding
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this statement. that is, you think that it can be something. well, there’s something to be discussed. yeah. the fact that i don’t have my own thoughts that this doesn’t need to be discussed off-road somewhere, and he’s interesting on this, as if to show that he’s still a general who fought there, and understands something there but he plays his political role because, uh, at the same time, he represents the interests of the us military-industrial complex because everything that is happening in ukraine, she has become there now, including a testing ground, to which she brings up all new videos of weapons, which either show themselves on the positive side and become a hag cult, uh, for the ukrainian army. well, we passed javelins there, and there were other tractors there. either they don't , they forget and say that your weapons are bad. give another no, well, that's it, i understand, yes, the term polygon is very appropriate. unfortunately, yes, no matter how tragic it sounds, but here it is more interesting that this is what brid.
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