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our enemy predicted for us happened and has been done. this is thanks, of course, primarily to the citizens of russia, their composure of all our composure of readiness for challenges readiness to work in difficult conditions stressed we reliably guarantee the security and interests of the country. we will increase our defense capability. we will certainly solve all the problems related to the provision of the armed forces with the units involved in the special military operation. but as you know, there is a lot of talk in the west about russia's difficulties, that russia is not doing well with the economy, that oil and gas prices are not the same, that everything is not so coordinated. as the russian
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government would probably like. well, when i heard president, putin, i generally have the feeling that he speaks with calm confidence and is not announced. whatever you may be extraordinary measures that would indicate that the government considers the situation to be really extremely dangerous and uncontrollable, but other very important measures were announced today and i'm talking about the appointment of general gerasimov, chief of the general staff, as commander of a grouping, a united grouping russian armed forces in ukraine and it seems to me that this is a very significant appointment general a-a. surovikin, at least from my point of view, he achieved quite impressive results, and indeed after several very problematic situations for the russian armed forces. he managed to
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reorganize the russian units. he managed to establish supplies and he would be able to talk to you about it, managed to change the dynamics of hostilities unequivocally in favor of russia, but uh, what is called the collective west is also not going to sleep and is not going to be published and when, uh, you. uh, look at how many weapons are supplied. to ukraine and, most importantly, how it is delivered. this is what impresses me the most. when somewhere in russia success is planned, when somewhere in ukraine problems are found. it's not what they say, that's who they are in brussels in other western capitals, that something is missing in ukraine. let's see what can be done. no, they are not slowly starting to check. not just some warehouses, but
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they start armaments in their countries. rip off your own armies to give to ukraine, but i don't want to say whatever i want to say. generally i repeat the absolutely unprecedented scale of assistance not only in quantity, but also because how it is done and they immediately begin to train and immediately begin to provide, but promptly in direct mode, but new intelligence information, that is, in this case, russia is really not dealing with ukraine, the battles are itself on the territory of ukraine on russia is dealing with nato and even more heres the collective west and, of course, this requires. organization of hostilities on a wider scale not just on a larger scale, but qualitatively
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the other, which would include, firstly, all types of russian armed forces and, of course, very clear coordination with the russian central power and the chief of the general staff, general gerasimov, he is a suitable person for this both in his experience and in his capabilities, since he turns out to be , and will now not just be the chief of the general staff. we will say that this group will simultaneously have these two important positions. and with you, vladislav vladislavovich shurygin, a well-known military expert, i want to ask you about this this appointment. what does it mean? how do you view this appointment in terms of some changes in the russian tactics of the strategy for organizing the operation. you are absolutely right that this is a very significant change,
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first of all, and the main change is that we completely change the status of the operation with this appointment. that is, it ceases to be just a specifically military operation, which is carried out in the south against, uh, the ukrainian nazis. it becomes the main military affair of the country, because now it leads the operation at the beginning of the general headquarters on this side. first of all, it allows you to concentrate in one hand. everything is absolute. uh, available military instruments, because the chief of the general staff is still subordinate to the aerospace forces is still subordinate to the navy is still subordinate to strategic aviation everything and uh, now the chief, that is, to the commander in the u-e sectors no longer need to ask him for permission to work for him. uh, our bombers are there with our missiles or there is a fleet strike. now it will do everything. himself, because he is now in command the second - this, of course, removes some kind
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of duality that has been all these 10 months, that one way or another there is the position of commander-in-chief of the group, and there is a position at the beginning, as the general staff, which, in principle, in exactly the same way, controls the troops, and they obey him in the same way. this one way or another, but sometimes led to a situation. well, let's say the duality of control. today. this has been removed, that is, the entire military vertical has been built. i will note that almost all generals who are well behaved are built into this military vertical. recommended for all these 10 months and literally the day before yesterday the appointment of lapin as the chief of staff of the ground forces of the general , who received a very difficult time, as it were, a task, because it is called to act as a fire brigade when it was urgent to block the ukrainian breakthrough to kharkov and this was also a landmark situation, because that it is also built into this new vertical, so, of course, uh, i conclude from this that very serious
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tasks are being set for the next one. what is called the military campaign of winter and spring and certainly. e, such the appointment also means that the chief of the general staff takes personal responsibility, that is, he now directs all operations. and not over someone else's head. ah, directly himself. i know valery gerasimov very well. we met with him back in chechnya. i remember him there, he won back perfectly, he is a very talented bright military leader. and this is a real military theorist. he wrote very interesting textbooks. e, and. as a matter of fact, the general staff under him, of course, did a lot to restore the armed forces after a whole difficult period in they turned out to be, uh, unfortunately, not everything was successful, therefore, here are the problems that were. eh, again, he had to analyze it all and make decisions that could compensate for it all. and above
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all, the appointment of surovikin. this was also an appointment, which was certainly agreed upon by him, and according to some information, he also initiated a surovikin, which is really for the last month. it can be said that he brought order, with an iron hand, the order restored the completely controllable troops. he is for it time again deployed a fully-fledged grouping. in the rear. again, the most difficult work was carried out on e, the recruitment of mobilization, their mobilized training and the deployment of reserves today. really. i think that, to some extent, we can say that this is the new vertical, this is the vertical from which they are waiting for an offensive, they are waiting for strikes, they are waiting for a turning point in this war thank you, we are on skype with a person who knows well what is happening on the front line . this is general
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apte aronovich laudinov, commander of the chechen spetsnaz, ahmad and a man who, in general, became in many ways the face of a symbol , first of russian resistance in the donbass, but then of recent russian successes. share with us. what is happening on your front and specifically in the region wednesday in recent days, because, as you know, the russian information is quite optimistic, although very cautious, but the ukrainians. uh, in kiev they say that they still hold their positions, and their american patrons say, uh, in their newspapers, that they are some kind of anonymous? new representatives of the american administration admit that the solidarity for ukraine is actually lost. tell me what you think is really happening. well, let's, i'll probably
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say, not what i think, what it seems to me, but i'll tell you, really, what exactly is going on in this area. uh, first of all, good evening. probably everyone and i want to note that here again, uh, returning to these events. uh, very important work on this site. i think i was doing a person who, in essence, is in solidarity with a huge volume did the work. solidar i, in principle, read as a person who is directly on the spot. i believe that he is, in principle, already. well, just the finishing touches there before the slave. well, as it is, he is already, in principle, under complete control. cleanups are going on now , er, some areas. this is our goal, their very serious one, it turns out, the result of compressing artyomovsky turns out like this,
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they took control of the logistics routes from both sides, which directly had a very big impact on the resistance of the armed forces of the armed forces of the unit of the armed forces artyomovsk. and now it turns out what was taken, the solidarity is also additional, it turns out another bonus to the piggy bank of these forces and means, which can even better control the already taking control of artyomovsky himself. in principle, the situation is very good for us. uh, unlike the ukrainian side, of course, their owners. in america, they know better and the situation was done in artyomovsk in solidarity, so they write real situations that are there, that's what i wanted to ask you about, of course. uh, there's been a lot of success on this now, no doubt about it. and what not to say in kiev it seems to me that
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this success is already obvious in this case, but a broader question. is my impression correct? and so you said that you know, but i don’t know, i have an impression, so i want to share with you my impression and impression that in recent months, after several difficult moments for the russian armed forces in ukraine, the russian army managed to seize the initiative, that characteristic has changed. changed in favor of russia do you agree with this? indeed, i can also point out that indeed, over the past months we have been getting at the beginning after the regrouping has taken place. uh, it should be noted again that the leadership of all this was directly entrusted, but to surovikin.
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e. i believe that thanks to his competent actions. so, uh, we managed to stabilize all of him, and the front on the sly, and probably most of them took part in everything on the sly. already started to move forward. and, of course, this event. here in this context. if you consider it. i think, that i take solidarity and directly artyomovskaya is a very significant part. uh, all these things that we are showing to the world with these actions, as a state that allocates huge tranches to the army. no, technical means other than the opposite country, we prove that all this, in principle, had no effect on e, the forces and means of the russian federation themselves. that is, i believe that despite all those, e actions that were committed by the leadership
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of the block on that led by america and we showed the whole world that russia, which one alone is fighting against the entire nato bloc in this case has the opportunity to turn the tide of events, and at any time, uh, go on the offensive. uh, freeing up new territories. i believe that this event is more significant, probably even in terms of information than, let's say, directly for the war itself. why? i say that too, i can say, so when we say that uh uh, he asks me questions. is it true that the solidar could be compared with mariupol is not true, because the solidar was not so fortified dayon and of course hmm well, he didn’t have such, as they say, significant uh, directly for the masses uh value as directly,
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mariupol well, in this case, if we talk about the fact that the donetsk direction itself is uh, the front of the donetsk republic, it was in a very difficult situation for us condition, because donetsk is bombarded daily, and there was no way to move the front in this light for this sector of the fund. i believe that the release of solidar and artyomovsk will really serve as a very strong bet for in order to build on the success and go on the offensive in the direction means those e. the areas where we're doing very well are entrenched, uh, enemy forces. that is, here you still need to understand that what is good about this result and the result is that the enemy has strengthened the front and we have been pressing on him all the time. on this site,
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it turns out exactly frontally now, having received the opportunity. so after the liberation, the liberation of the solidar and artemovsk, having received the opportunity to advance already in god, it turns out that the enemy is not physically unable to do so refuse resistance to our forces and means, which, in essence, will already compress it both frontally and from the side. this is what i think is a very good and subtle result. general, thank you very much. and of course, good luck. thank you thank you and now a few another perspective, maybe this is andrey completely dean of the faculties of international relations at mgimo . well, if you want, through the prism of the watch,
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a well-informed and talented international expert. i want to ask you. well, a provocative question. i'm not asking it for provocative purposes, but the question will sound somewhat provocative, but here's how to defeat russia, this is a coalition of fifty countries. maybe you think that there is no such quantity 50 countries supply weapons to ukraine, they supply it means that it will need it, but it immediately voices it, and basically it gives, and not necessarily the most modern weapons in those quantities. well, in general, they even give turkey militarily began to supply some weapons to ukraine how in these conditions can russia organize itself to win this is a truly historic clash.
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some time ago, our president, at a meeting, reflecting on the course of the military operation, spoke in the spirit that we had not really started anything yet, and i believe that today's appointment agrees with my colleague that they are frontiers are symbolic in nature, emphasize the withdrawal from logic, in fact, such an attempt to counter-coup in ukraine with limited military purposes with uh on the list. our military tasks and the depth of the planning of the operation to a large-scale frontal operation that uses all the resources of the military resources of the russian state. uh, our advantage is that we are conducting this special military operation,
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relying on our own resources and on our own tool for renewing our military resources, while the ukrainians, in fact, are fighting at someone else's expense and quite frankly. in my opinion. even cynically frankly recently in his publication. in one of former secretary of state in the united states spoke out in leading american publications shackles from russia former secretary of defense robert gates who was told in the closing passage that in the person of ukraine we have a rare partner who is ready to solve our problems at the cost of their own blood so that we do not have to solve them in the future and, of course, having in hand such a convenient tool that allows, in fact, not the cost of living of the military personnel of nato countries or, in a sense, their expenses, since we know that a significant number of mercenaries are involved in side e ukrainian forces. uh, the americans are
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liberating the warehouses of largely obsolete weapons, transferring them to the ukrainian unit and have the opportunity. e. it means to resume our own military park to load our own war industry, but symbolically i show ukraine that, uh , the west is on its side, but it is symbolic that this article itself was called time is not on the side. ukraine and her summary was that in the absence of major military successes in the near future, western support for ukraine will begin to waver. and the russians stabilized front and having launched effective military operations have the opportunity, in fact, firstly, to seize the strategic initiative, and secondly, to wait for the right moment in order to, at their choice, create difficulties for ukraine on different sectors of the front, so i believe that the military
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planning for our country. now running at full capacity. we know from open sources about the creation of new ones there as repair plants about the increase in the russian armed forces o, uh that they are now entering the front fresh parts and uh, i guess the coming period. this is a favorable period for russia a. perhaps he is born with the same loud, you know, statements in the media that are accompanied by sending even there a dozen tanks to ukraine in the western media and the whole world is watching this, applauding, expecting a rush of some endorphins in connection with this. uh, developments, but news like we're having success in solidarity today. i believe that they will arrive in the coming week. you know andrey, i agree with your central thesis in a minute, but, well, in one
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respect. maybe i look a little differently. i understand that this is a company of, uh, leopards from poland that it will not change. uh, combat dynamics. well, i have no doubt that this company will be followed by battalions , probably, regiments or doughs do not know, agree with me. this is a serious weapon. and most importantly, it is a weapon in its essence. offensive, or at least with great offensive characteristics, and now the collective west begins to change the rules of the game and expand the limits of what is acceptable what they are ready to do in ukraine i agree with your central thesis, however, that despite this, russia has the strength and capabilities to win this confrontation is not easy to win. do not walk on water without getting your feet wet, but nevertheless achieve a significant
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advantage and force the collective west to conduct serious negotiations without dictating to russia some absolutely unrealistic ukrainian conditions. why? i say so, but because look at the western countries. there are two categories of countries there, a small category, for whom this war is really important. it's probably the first thing. and the baltic countries. in general, i do not know anyone else for whom the result of this war would be truly important, and who would be ready to pay a big price for victory in this war. it's like a very broad coalition. but as they say sometimes in america, it's like its own
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width. foot, and its a-a depth is a millimeter and here is the depth of the strength of this coalition. i highly doubt that for most of these countries. ah. in general, this war is such a priority that many of them are ready to sacrifice for this, starting with their own economic situation, especially wealth. and i'm not talking about the situation when they have to send their guys and the left. how to fight there and god forbid that any strikes were inflicted on their territory. i will tell you about the united states, the vast majority of americans on the side of ukraine prepared them for this for a long time, they were given such information. how serious is this? this is serious in the sense that congress and the administration can do in the teenager of ukraine, to some extent, what
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what they want, but then you start to know more specific questions. are you ready to send american troops to ukraine , a categorical no? considerably the majority ask, but if as a result of this the american economic situation will worsen. the answer is immediately from the sixty percent, no, we absolutely disagree with that. and are they ready to risk a third world war for the sake of ukraine and a direct confrontation with nuclear russia less than 15% are ready to consider such a risk that is why the more this war becomes an unlimited special operation, and the war is essentially patriotic all the more. it seems to me that the advantages of
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russia will be highlighted. i wanted to ask you in this context. i read the western press, i hear incredible praises of the ukrainian army all the time. how they are motivated, how they quickly adapt to the code of warfare, how their imagination works, and so on and so forth. tell tell us about the russian troops. tell us about those people who are fighting in ukraine and have they changed, has their approach to this operation changed over time? last months dmitry i first agree with your main thesis that, and the attitude towards the war in the west, it is absolutely uneven, and the war in which russia was drawn in, it looks more like, as you remember, this was the concept of a trust society on trust. a lot of countries have been dragged into this society, having promised them a lot, promising them that within a year
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russia will pay for everything you spend with your body. now it is already clear that e bear is not completely dismantled. the bear is angry no one even anything from him he didn’t get a piece of wool, but he demands it. let's get even tighter, let's get even closer. and this is the hysterical pumping of weapons in recent months. she just says understand. let me remind you of this impasse, from september to january, 25 billion spent on armaments to support ukraine ended with the solidarity lost, the initiative was lost and now the full prospect is a loss, now artyomovskaya. in fact, who did it? and the russian army does this, you need to understand that, but today it is completely different, which started a special military operation, 11 months ago, firstly, of course, it took shape completely. uh, unique new command staff. we, to some extent, are dealing with
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the most advanced modern military affairs, because there is such a war of this type in the history of modern mankind. it’s just that everything else was not a weak approximation, not an iraqi war, not any other, not even a georgian war, which asks forgiveness of armenian azerbaijan, they were only shadows of the war that is now going on for the first time. starting from the forty-fifth year, it broke out. not just a big european war, but a big european war of the 21st century, in which all the most modern weapons are used, which use new types, weapons that have never been before , these types of weapons have already become whole branches of the military, such as unmanned aircraft, which has generally changed the whole pattern of war. and, of course, and which russia had practically never had before, for sure, and which today, as a result, has developed completely new command staff, which, firstly, highly motivated we see how e. there is the same thicket, the history of defense, home of the
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forty-fifth brigade, special forces, they can shoot a film with them, like three spartans, who for almost 2 weeks almost completely surrounded fought off the enemy, which i do not exaggerate almost 10 times superior to the paratroopers and nevertheless, they fought back. i could talk for a very long time about the mariupol tankers with whom i was and this new type, troops, city and tankers who, in general , we know that the tank is not used in the city in fact, it was the tankers who really dismantled mariupol, who, as it were, created such a special kind of art, an urban tank battle. uh, of course, uh, at the heart of everything is a very high motivation, of course, motivation up to several corps, and not it, there is no doubt at all, because these people are 8 years old. they were waiting for them to be allowed to liberate their homeland, and there are people from 14 years old who are trying to attribute everything there to 4 years. they are simply sent home there until they are 70 years old, who cannot be expelled, again from the
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recruiting station, because they also want to participate and defend their country. this is generally the golden fund, of course. e after mobilization after e, reformi -regrouping, the russian army. really. e represents himself today. well, as it were, so to speak, such a special, remelted bulat which what was the meaning of it was an ingot. the metals that contain absolutely incompatible things in themselves, which turned into a formidable weapon in it, are actually the same. today represents our grouping achieved primarily numerical priority at the front. this means, that the low-lying team understands perfectly well why zaluzhny has not yet abandoned his reserves to fight off solidarity, because she understands perfectly well that there is no numerical superiority. it turned out from kharkov, because ukraine no longer exists, and there are very few people in russia near kharkov who represent what yes, and she simply explained that by august in the month of august, it turned out a situation in which
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approximately 160-180.000 russian army was advancing, i emphasize it was advancing on the armed forces of ukraine, which already received nato weapons with might and main, the number, of which at that time there were almost a million in law enforcement agencies, and more than 650,000 fought at the front. that is, in fact, we managed to attack the enemy, which surpasses us three or four times in peru. now you said one very important thing, because in the west they like to talk about the ukrainian miracle, like a small unfortunate ukraine with its miserable armed forces, how could it to defend against russia as you, in my opinion, show the real picture was completely different, completely different. you know i'm in some degree i can say that for me it was even to a certain extent bitterness. i remember how, uh, i myself always, as it were, especially the first month, proudly said that we, uh, are three times inferior in number to the ukrainian
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armed forces, but have technical superiority. the most important thing is learning, then by september. we, unfortunately, remaining still in the minority, have already dealt with the army, which, firstly, received a lot of weapons, which were prepared by reserves, which tried to inflict a strategic defeat on us. i remind you, because the main blow, ukraine applied. in september, in the kherson direction, nothing came of it at all for 2 weeks, they stopped advancing, because there were huge losses. but the auxiliary attack on kharkov worked, because it failed the front, on which, due to objective and including , unfortunately, subjective circumstances, the balance of forces was such that approximately 1:8, 1 to 9:00. it could not fail to work in the end, but i will also note that after september, after this crisis was overcome by our new command, ukraine i couldn't walk anywhere more than a few meters. i repeat, 25 billion was spent. there is no result,
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and today, of course, with parity at the front. and i will explain that, in addition to the numbers soaring, with the superiority of our unconditional technical. and you need to understand that ukraine, why now, with such hysteria, an attempt began to collect artillery tanks everywhere, because i will give a simple example, ukraine started. uh, this is the war against russia, with about a total of more than 3,000 tanks, of which 1,300 were in service and plus to this, she received 600 tanks during these months. at the moment, she has less than 900 tanks left in service. this speaks for itself, vladislav this is very interesting for me. at least, very, convincingly , we, unfortunately, have to go on a break , these are the rules of television, but we will return to this topic. e further in our program. let's go through the newspapers. explain to him
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of life, it is also this music has become an integral part of the life of your neighbors all night with you. we are back on the air a big game and with us on skype from washington, d.c. mark bishop is a national security consultant who has been a national security columnist for many years. uh, national interest magazine mark i'd like to ask you about the latest developments in the us congress, and they elected a new speaker, kevin kart , and they passed resolutions on how the
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house of representatives will work, and they divided the duties of chairman of the committees. and they even created some new important subcommittee of investigation. here we are. how are you you know very well not in them no one but in moscow and, of course, especially interesting that, from your point of view, as a result of all these enes, real american foreign policy and, more specifically, american policy in relations between russia and ukraine dmitry thank you very much. i think it's a pretty hard question and short answer that at this stage right now nobody knows how the new congress will fare because one of the big reasons is that what's happened in the last couple of weeks is unprecedented. uh, the place of the coronation, which i think i expected. uh,
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kevin yes for the speaker post. er, lower house representatives, there was a fierce struggle of 15 rounds of voting and about 20 e dissidents within the republican party, who demanded big concessions from him, which he had to make. er, if i can simplify. he promised everything everything he went he really. he really went we don't know the essence of all these services, although we already see some, for example, uh, the republicans are going to vote to cancel uh, correct me. if i'm saying it right, uh, income tax give them contact, uh, and that's one of the many things he promised, there's media rumors that i won't expose that he promised some sort of restriction. yes, to help ukraine, we don’t
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know exactly which ones, but uh even those republicans who supported him from the beginning , for example, uh. well, there were about five of them, who, uh, are also right-wing populists , conservative populists, but he was immediately supported by him, he also had to promise them a lot of things, so he promised him, uh, a lot of uh, uh, right-wing populist factions conservative. sheets of the republican party, and this is very interesting dmitry came out a poll this week recently, which says that 52% of republicans, that is, the majority of e is not not a wide majority, but a majority of 52% against further funding. uh, further assistance to ukraine and and. therefore, there is. i think e big questions about how exactly
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will the further voting for the tranche of aid to russian americans take place. there are many choices of many apparatuses. they can limit. they can limit the amount help in a concrete dollar sense, they can get restrictions on the types of weapons, for example, they can say we will never send fighters. they can do so to vote for e help. uh, it would only be for the aid vote, not as part of voting for many other things, because in congress, as you know, they vote for many different things at the same time, as one vote. they can insist about publications that voting for help to ukraine should be so much about it. yes. and it can fix, uh, the result of that vote, and and. other than that, they might
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insist that future uh, aid packages must be accompanied by concrete diplomatic efforts to end this to this bloody conflict, so we don't know exactly what will happen, but the republicans are very uh, thin supremacy in the lower house and the cedrots can't do nothing without everyone's support. including those republicans who have big questions about our involvement in this conflict. mac thank you andrey did you hear here is this analysis of the political situation in washington after the republicans seized control of the house of representatives do you have any opinions on this and would like to ask a question marco thanks to mark for his analysis. i believe that for many in
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moscow, the undertones of congressional discussions are often so rather abstract, and we are aware that the united states, like russia, lives inside the budget cycle. and this american budget cycle has just been voted on. it involves massive funding. continued hostilities in ukraine and tens of billions of dollars of direct military assistance, as well as, uh, significant sums will be directed to the renewal of allied military resources and the purchase of a new american one. surrounding the renewal of their own reserves, but in the aggregate we understand that for the coming year the united states is investing in war, and not in peace, and the question that analysts in moscow raises. uh, how significant are these changes within the congress, how
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significant are these semitones and should we somehow take into account in your own planning my answer is no, they are not significant the united states is pretty solid. now they are following the path, and the military support of ukraine they are one of the forces that stops ukraine from any impulse to negotiate. they control ukrainian behavior and seek to take initiative in managing this crisis, while we may see individual signals that the american position may change, but in general , such a possibility is on the horizon of the next year . we do not lay. i would like mark to ask you this question. how much could you share such an assessment, or er, do you have your own observations? this is a very good question. and the short answer is that no one yet knows how lucky the new government will be.
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it's clear that the white house wants to continue its agenda, or yes, large-scale assistance to ukraine until this conflict ends on terms favorable to ukraine, but there are loud voices that are against this position and the white house feels this, so they put, if i remember correctly 45 billion uh at the end of the year in this huge uh 1.7 trillion funding package and precisely because they don't know what's coming out in 2023 and that's why they want to do everything they can uh now and not leave. it's uh and don't leave that element of risk. uh, and it's very hard to predict, like i said there. uh, there are republicans who want change. e on the agenda. uh, but there are a lot of republicans who want to. uh,
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the continuation of this policy of politics is uh hmm escalating aid to ukraine escalating in this sense that we said six months ago that we would not send. we, for example, systems. now we are sending them, we are already training ukrainians in america on this network. uh, although they said half a year ago that this system should be operated by us military personnel, so we ca n't pay them. we are sending tanks, although the pentagon saw. it's like an escalation move and and so we don't know on this trajectory what's going to happen next and i think that's one of the things the republicans are doing. u can try find out because we know that uh, a lot of people in congress. even those who support ukraine, uh, on the republican side want to
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fall for a large-scale audit. uh, ukraine aid audit they want to know where the money went, the money we sent already. and how we will spend the money that we will send into the future, and the results of this audit can be recorded. uh, the general tone of the discussion around uh, future assistance in ukraine, you don't know yet. again, there is a lot of what we do not yet know, but, but it is not a fact that that was the twenty-second year must continue, 23. well, president lincoln said his time during the civil war that you can deceive everyone for a short period of time, and that you can deceive a small group for a very long time, but you can’t deceive everyone endlessly , and i say this to the fact that our age, on the one
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hand, is the internet and not experienced sources of information, but on the other, an incredible opportunity for brainwashing, especially when it is involved. well, if you like, a combination of corporate media information and policy research. ah and uh, the vast majority of people find it very difficult to have any real idea of what foreign policy is going on, especially in a country like ukraine which is far from them and in general does not fit in at all not in their experience not in their interests , and therefore they made such an e from ukraine, if you want a reverent heroic virgin attacked by the bloody predator of russia and the media and the majority
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in congress have long supported such an impression. although, of course, there are people and television channels such as fox who object to this. but you can ignore individual experts who do not agree with such an interpretation of ukraine, you can ignore individual congressmen even as a senator, i just want to ask you mark and if they start with rumors in congress, they will apparently start in the house of representatives, at least if experts are called in from neither side, as it is now, but really experts with different points of view, and they will talk about ukrainian repressions, about ukrainian corruption, about the fact that the ukrainian leadership promised one thing to its people, but began to do something completely different. and that the dynamics
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of ukraine and russia is not at all so simple and unambiguous, as the administration of the byte presents the matter, if all this will be about if all this, at least to some extent , will appear on tv screens. don't you think that the general idea of ukraine may begin to change, and this will prevent ukraine from having that blind top that washington has today. this is dmitri. it's getting harder and harder to ignore the experts you're talking about, and i think the number of people who are willing to talk about it openly and openly ask difficult questions about uh, the essence of this conflict, the trajectory of this conflict. and as we see the end of this conflict, the number of these people, uh, is growing and and you are completely right
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in saying that uh, the republicans have uh , a unique opportunity. uh, open uh. well give people. uh, sense of context around this conflict, uh, they haven't been getting, at least the last 10 months and ask basic questions, because, as it were, very rightly said. uh, if you just do a poll. uh, if you ask the average american who you support in this conflict, russia or ukraine of course, the vast majority will say that yes, russia is the aggressor of ukraine the victim, but then there are a lot of secondary questions. support you infinite boundless help forever and here is the majority. er, i'm quoting a question that was in september. uh, they say no, we support help. only
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if this assistance is accompanied by diplomatic efforts, so the devil, as we say in detail and the main thing that i think that all american citizens deserve, uh, find out is how the white house became the main sponsor. e ukrainian military efforts, how the white house sees the end of this conflict, because zelensky speaks openly. uh, as he sees the end of this conflict, he sees the end. the crushing defeat of russia in the complete victory of ukraine, the last time he spoke about one trillion dollars e, walkie-talkies and military and people accused of war crimes should go to the hague. it's the way he sees it, but now biden has to say how he's doing it, if he u wants the american people to unite around endless support for u ukraine and if he
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wants us to take this collective risk, because that russia is not, uh, iran russia is not north korea, there are unconditional risks to this policy, where we are trying to isolate. russia and therefore we must know what the goal is, if the goal is to take crimea, then we must know this, and we must understand that it is very likely to uh, not happen without direct intervention. uh, western or american troops in this conflict, if the goal is for russia to withdraw from all ukrainian territories except crimea, we must know this, in any case we must know. uh, at what stage the white house is not important by this time biden will be president or maybe it will be after the twenty- fourth and there will be another president. and we must know. uh, at what stage is the white house ready to say that we have achieved everything that we
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wanted to achieve and and it's time to seriously think about negotiations. and i want to note very quickly that we often hear very and i think it is a stupid and not moral idea that we have no right to talk about ukraine, that they need to come forward in negotiations. but excuse me, if we give, the vast majority of military assistance to ukraine, weapons, if we not only give these weapons in ukraine, but we say where to send them, if guns, if we give them radar, if we, if, uh, we this war is just going on. in a way, through our efforts. uh, and if we take all the risks, that come from our support for ukraine, i think we not only have the right, we have the moral obligation to play an active role, uh, in any effort that takes us uh to negotiations and peace to end this
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bloody conflict. uh, for the sake of everyone, including for the sake of ukraine, because the ukrainian people bear. uh, a very high price and and we are now talking about the fact that even after the end of this war. uh, it's going to cost 3 million. well, i don't know how much i don't want to give the dollar amount, but it's going to be very expensive. uh, rebuild this country and and those are the big questions we need to ask ourselves. thank you andrey. ah hmm thank you mark already his observation in his analysis and how the congressional dynamics are developing right now as well as congressional discussion with the white house. i uh see symptoms that the united states doesn't have a big strategy on how this should end. what image of victory would they see for themselves for ukraine? they, i hope they have enough realism to realize that russia is such a constant of modern
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world politics and historical constant of international life, which will be in any case, yes, as in bulgakov's white guard russia is a table, how can you not turn it in any case, a table uh. lack of long-term planning obsession with budget cycles obsession with uh, hmm undertones nuances of discussion in this particular congressional composition feeling that time is running out, that it doesn't have to be fast now, so reserve money to support ukraine otherwise a new president or republican congress may change mind start doing deep audits all this creates so much uncertainty within this course, what uh? i believe that many of the allies of the united states in europe should be starting to get nervous. uh, i think especially zealous and assertive, and the countries on the border with our country, which are now e
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claiming that the goal of their foreign policy is to defeat russia, should also feel deep concern about this whole dynamic. well, ultimately in this discussion, i guess. the central element is missing. yes? what is what chronology of the american to what depth do the americans plan their support for ukraine from american strategic planning documents? major military clashes between the united states and china where within this chronology. they must find a way to make sure russia is taken. at least a neutral position in the relationship heard what mark said, uh, i i think it was a very serious and reliable analysis. now, when you are a military
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expert, you heard it as a person who thinks about russian brains, but about russia's challenges on the battlefield. you heard something that would be relevant to you. well, everything that was said is relevant. i didn't hear anything fundamentally new for something that i wouldn't have been preparing for. i think that, uh, a terrible dream for all those who, one way or another, but still sees their goal. uh, crushing russia or withdrawing it from the war on terms that will be dictated lies in the fact that the mobilization mechanism has now turned on and is starting to work, which can be conditionally called the ussr 2.0. i'm talking about the ussr during the great patriotic war. we see that industry is being mobilized. we see that a mobilized society. we see that russia was able to carry out a huge, uh, huge call. and these people did not turn out to be naked bosses with
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rifles. they are trained and sent to the front. this means that russia is beginning to dynamically recruit and enter an era of great confrontation. i know russian society. i i understand that it or else around the idea to survive and of course for in my opinion, for people in america who are not saturated, it’s obvious to them that it’s better not to allow such a situation for russia to develop with this kind of messianic idea to crush russia. that is, it is better to start negotiations, it is better to find a consensus. how to get russia there in 2-3 years, which is ready for any form of confrontation. or , to be more precise, at any level, of course, in this case, there is little in russia. who wants this big confrontation, but surely that all the options that are discussed as some way out. i mean, and in the biden administration, you ca n’t talk about kiev at all, because they are on their own, but all this does not suit us at all and in
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this regard, i understand, yes, that we have, uh, you can’t say it’s cautious hopes , but with us we take into account the situation that in the united states , at least, let's say , a certain conservative point of view on this conflict may prevail, and then perhaps there will be ground for negotiations. thank you. we 'll be back in a few minutes. beyond i can't imagine my game without my partners. volodya petrova and boris mikhailov yes , the great hockey players
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they are looking at this operation in the united states and what is changing in america in this regard, but i would like to ask you andrey a question about what should happen after this operation, if we somehow manage to limit the escalation to what, it seems to me , we have, in general, quite good hansy. but after this war, there will probably be some kind of peace. and it seems to me that it is obvious that we do not know what this world will be like, but it will not be the same as it was before, and it seems to me that neither country is in conflict. uh, return to the old status ko do not want. yes , and it is known that e is a school of thought. uh, well, in ukraine, of course, in poland, in the baltics of great britain, and i must say to many in the american congress that, in general, russia
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should cease to be a great power, that, if possible, russia should be reduced in terms of its military economic capabilities, well, let’s turn to her, as addressed. e with russia and at one time after the russian defeat in the crimean war. or if, uh, it turns out, not even to reduce, russian capabilities, but changing the russian political system is a much more ambitious task, but some even say that in general russia is so wonderful that let's do 15-20 with russia and divide russia into parts. i want you to listen to what henry kiselchenko recently wrote about the role of russia. some are convinced that the best outcome
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would be a russia bled dry by conflict. i do not agree with this, despite my propensity for violence. for more than half a century, russia has made a decisive contribution to maintaining global equilibrium and balance. strength is impossible downplay its historic role, russia's military failures have not affected its global nuclear capability in any way, allowing it to threaten escalation in ukraine do you agree that, firstly, russia will remain a leading power and not just a leading power, but a leading european power, which is not there will be a complete break between russia and the european mainstream, and which, it seems to me, is today. in general, e does not show any interest in treating russia with at least some understanding, and even more so, in order to die with russia. i think, that the west is vainly privatizing the concept of europe russia was and is the largest
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european country historically it has played a decisive role in key issues for the continent over the past three centuries and the crimean war, which you said it happened. as you know, some such capacious gesture of the western coalition. after the russian troops left paris without a reparation of indemnity after the victory, even paying over napoleon, e, card debt, such a generous gesture of an officer, and then for almost a decade. uh, russia guarded, and the international order in europe a-a, helping the monarchies of conservative monarchies to maintain this order, and in general, sometimes acting against the national interests of its own, russia is one of the key constants of world politics. i believe that henry kissinger, uh, is absolutely fair in that she will remain for the future and those
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who believe that current events will somehow change. this circumstance is not deeply mistaken or simply poorly versed in history and does not understand the logic. uh, russian-moving russian politics, forces here in society. but russia will be interested. and to have again partnerships with european countries that are so behaving in relations with russia. you see, 70% of russian gdp and about 70% of the russian population is located in the european part of our country, and the vector of our economic contacts, including it is absolutely natural, and it is turned to the region closest to this center of economic gravity of our country, it is located in europe, but kistinger and many colleagues who reflects that russia should never again become part of the european system. they largely proceed from the presumption that europe is the whole world and
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for some time historically, at least after the 16th century, it was in some ways. but now we see that europe is such you know the european peninsula on the greater eurasian continent and russia looks much more. uh, large-scale ambitious on the opportunities that this continent now offers, she can quite afford cool relations with europe then and the main thing is that this relationship they will not be irreversibly bad on the e, extended historical horizon. this is not the first time we are at war with the west. not the first time. this happens in our history and in each of these episodes the result was unambiguous, there is no reason to doubt that it will be different this time as well. for now, russia will focus on building on the strengths of its greater eurasia strategy thanks, well, vladislav the prevailing view in the
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west on how this war over ukraine might end is that both sides will get tired of this war and, uh, they notice uh successes of russia, but they say, well, what kind of way out will russia eventually have, because we are the collective west, and we will organize, if i may say so, a ring. technological hunger in russia will not allow russia to receive modern technologies will not only not allow russia to receive them from the west, but we will vigorously put pressure on other countries. not even over america's friends say like israel but he 's countries that are rivals to the west or like china say you'll supply these technology in russia speaks in plain text , you pay dearly for it pay so much
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in plain text that they don’t say it, if you want in some kind of secret negotiation rooms, but right at a press conference in the white house. the chinese just try to convey something to russia and here are the most difficult consequences for you, and therefore, hope that even if russia has a successful offensive, if russia succeeds a lot on the battlefield, but at some point russia will tell you. we are threatened with a technological lag, at least the military field, and therefore it is necessary to negotiate and to make it an institute, you know, i think that these are such blocks of american sovietology of russification. i will give you credit, you, unfortunately, are in many ways a
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retiring nature in the us because the nineties . they killed russian studies. they killed sovietology , the interest was gone, the generation that could really know russia deeply did not grow up. i think this assumption is devoid of the slightest. eh, reason. first, there are no signs that russia has become from the war. there are no indications that any kind of military defeat is in danger in russia. uh, what's more, russia is a preeminent technological power it is clear that, while lagging behind even in areas that are traditionally considered western in the west. well, as if the same thing is advanced there, there microelectronics, what is, well, as if the main such new haom, it is not so fatal that russia could not overcome it; moreover, we know such a systemic import will we have when deposits. huge money is now in development such industries. secondly, you need to understand
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the key question. will russia be able to turn back to the west? uh, in terms of become to him to lend a hand to him or to shake his hand. here is just already the question is very difficult. yes, i agree with you that for centuries they were part of the west because there was no east as such, there was no china of today's china there was no india india was not under the protectorate of great britain at all. brazil did not yet have a huge world, which, in principle, is now very actively developing, which is becoming independent, and which you can’t shake a finger at, the americans threaten china with a finger, but at the same time, according to the programs, that is, on cnn tv channels, it shows chance 124, which every day they arrive, land and fly to china, perhaps, of course, they export very scarce coca-cola, perhaps something else, but we must understand that unconditionally here, if we take an extrapolation of the past.
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