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the potential of the russian potential of the ukrainian is incomparable to the only means by which ukraine is trying to withstand this tension. this is help. widespread assistance from the west with weapons and military uniforms with anything you like. at the same time, uh, there are different, as it seems to me, forecasts in terms of the possibility, here are the supplies, firstly, and secondly, the impact that they will have on military operations. in my opinion. everything that has already been announced. given that, of course, this cannot be underestimated and cannot be ignored this attention is clearly not enough to bring about a turning point in hostilities in favor of ukraine. the turning point is currently taking place in favor of russia, and it may very well be, i would like to think that this turning point is irreversible, and in this situation, nervousness
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intensifies, like in the kiev regime. so those who put it on him in the west of here have these bacchanalia, firstly, claims, and secondly, attempts to justify themselves and desire in some way. to add to the assistance that ukraine, in my opinion, receives, but you friends, no matter how you sit down, all musicians are no good. in this case , the underlying factors again come into play. the fact that the economy of ukraine is really destroyed, that the ukrainian authorities, having put on the war, forgot about everything else and do not intend, generally speaking, to get out of this state, and they do not have the opportunity to enter this war indefinitely. what is required? well , of course, the military should know better about this, but what public opinion says is
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public opinion. we in russia insist that supplies were cut off on the territory of ukraine this military equipment western killing places on the battlefield. this is the question that the next one does not have to answer, will it be implemented or not? in the event that it is not o well, of course it will be more difficult, but this also does not mean that this is a task that cannot be solved for the russian armed forces condoleezza rice e. it doesn't seem to me that she is a military inspector and an expert, but it seems to me that she is always very biased when it comes to russia. such is her political fate. it seems to her that russia can do nothing more. i remember those the days when she, as secretary of state, scoffed at a rusty russian cruiser that dangles somewhere in the atlantic ocean. but, uh, i would advise people, it seems, there is still a more objective assessment of rice's share. uh, the fact that russia is the successor of the soviet union in terms of, firstly, nuclear potential. secondly, all
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the other possibilities of the military-industrial complex, and from this point of view, this opinion is absolutely worthless, it is propaganda russia has a very large reserve of opportunities, without even resorting to itself. such serious nuclear forces can defeat any enemy, and the guarantee of this is that the military industry is unwinding before our eyes and, in fact, conclusions are being drawn from those, uh, seasonal and temporary failures that were in the initial phase of this operation. at first i thought that we would not give him a full quote from condoleezza rice because there they cost. and now i thought it might be useful for our audience to hear her speak herself, and then karen. i ask you to comment. let's hear what exactly the sewers said, as for the fear that such supplies
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could provoke putin to even more in ukraine , i don't know how much more. he is trying to destroy the neighboring country. he uses the terrorist tactics of his wasp army. war crimes, when fears are voiced to me that he can be provoked into more? i ask, and what else with regard to the nuclear threat, its risk is not zero, but i think putin really cares, oddly enough, about his international position the use of nuclear weapons will turn russia into a larger north korea into a pariah state that the nuclear option should not be considered putin was warned not only by the united states but also by india and china in 1 year of this, i think whether the donation will soon be replenished with finland and sweden in 2008.
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i could not even dream of such a thing. well , first of all, i'm pleased to know that condoleezza rice ah, who talked a lot about how she wants to build when she was a guest, the benchmark for a constructive relationship with russia is interesting to know what she actually dreamed of, because this, of course, confirms the worst assumption of people who well from the very beginning began to doubt doubted you did not doubt. many doubted konstantin, do you know that many in moscow doubted? but now it’s unlikely, if only very biased people or completely immature, well, you know better, but when i heard many moscow experts, including those who occupied a rather serious position. it seems to me that many of them doubted, but here they say they themselves, but i liked something else more, but still she was a national security adviser, she worked as a secretary of state. the post in the white house
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is still in the bukhtar administration and, in general, a person with great experience and position. it seems to me that she is simply engaged in frank demagoguery. that's all she says, but let's just say the united states didn't destroy another country. uh, first under under the name of yugoslavia, then under the name of iraq and amnesty international did not accuse the united states of terrorism for what the united states did in iraq and that nuclear weapons were used for the first time with whom? in fact, germany in the tallinn soviet union was not used by the united states. moreover, konstantin was used after the nazi and the threat ceased to exist, in order to show us that there is
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this weapon in the compound, to show you and e there was one explosion in a peaceful japanese city, hiroshima it was clear that the terrible destruction that made the president went to the next explosion. and that's all, uh, you hear that, i'll add terrorism to this list. but i don’t know what kind of terrorist acts by russia she had in mind, but not far from moscow there was a murdered girl, the daughter of the philosopher dugin ah, before that, in iran. as you know, iranians were killed, you know scientists? here, i'm saying this. they blew up the general regarding soleimani and the ladies said we did it, because you understand, so i'm not trying here now uh to meet, uh, condoleezza raisos not with unrighteous indignation and, uh, act
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as prosecutor for the united states. i just want to say that if i were in her place. whose would whose would mumble. and whose would be silent? at least? it seems to me that it would be more worthy from the point of view of her status in the life of her reputation, your reaction. well, in general, this does not surprise me much, because hmm, and the american elite is generally extremely monolithic when they set some kind of common task for themselves. it's gotta admit it quality in this sense. to a certain extent an advantage, it seems to me not not not or it is not a single state that unites in a single impulse like the americans, but hmm i would say there is another one. they
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are excellent. here is the famous one. remember churchill's phrase they learned. the truth is so important that you can fight for it with lies? absolutely absurd, if you look at the idiotic phrase, but, in principle, they act just the way they are, they are absolutely convinced that they are right. and you rightly said, who would talk about wars, which they endlessly started about the attacks that they staged about the assassination of statesmen are known. and fidel castra charles and someone only they did not try to kill and that's it. and yet, and yet . that's when you need to find your due. so i , as a director, i have to tell you, she is very convincing, very convincing, she is absolutely. here they are very sincerely in this impulse, they sincerely believe. it must be said
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great skill and such, as it were, inner talent to a certain extent, in general, if you don’t give yourself the trouble to think, you can sincerely believe in anything. but no, it's not easy to start actors who find it difficult to see some kind of role. and here we see it very easily. this role is given, but i think that this is the task of the united states, this is what you showed konstantinovich discussed the supply of weapons, but it seems to me this will not decide the outcome of the struggle in favor of ukraine in any way, but to drag it out maybe and i think this is the task the united states is now to drag out this conflict. they don't need them victory of ukraine by the way, really. i think that they do n’t need it at all, because even if we hypothetically assume that ukraine wins this one, this
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relationship with porsche is also an extra headache for them. you can talk a lot about it there, but they don't need it, they need this conflict to last as long as possible, that's why they give so many weapons. how long will it allow to drag out the conflict , damage the russian federation, cause damage to ukraine, by the way, because in the end , russia and ukraine are the former soviet union in my opinion. they and they internally think this is how it remains for them, therefore it is not a problem for them to cause damage to both russia and ukraine. although today they declare it an ally, hypothetically it would still be a possible enemy, therefore, from here , here, then the number of tanks, which yes can really make trouble, but it will not give a fundamental advantage at all, the longer. i see time is passing by. more and
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more i have the idea that in general it was very well planned initially and this includes hasty flight from afghanistan indeed. why did they flee from afghanistan like that? well, i mean, the united states. well, in principle, we could wait a couple of weeks to get ready . where is this from? it's you and the fact that we are faced with the most powerful fortified areas in donetsk as they say, which are already there another question. why our intelligence is not so good, it all brought out, but it says, but in preparation that they initially provoked this conflict. and i think he succeeded to a large extent. you know karen i'm my artistic eye. your artistic view, it makes a lot of sense, because it is impossible to understand our reality with the help of one analysis , therefore your artistic
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view is very valuable. and i also share your, if you want respect, er, rabid, that is , respect for the tactical prowess in which the united states. eh, dealt with this situation. well, i don't see any strategic plan. so i don’t even think that when they offended because of afghanistan, but they meant, uh, to do something like that in ukraine, i i admit that it was already it was already decided and just in case they remained in afghanistan it would seem that a parallel operation in ukraine would be very vulnerable to us. that is, it made it possible for us to work, as they say, i was in washington when the results were running, let's just say an element of panic. uh was very big but i think we can agree that uh no matter why the
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americans left afghanistan the way it looked very sad for the maidan administration it pushed the biden administration do more in ukraine so that if you want to atone for your defeat. well, that's what interests me. this is the complete absence of any serious strategic intent. but let's listen to what one of the leading experts on american naval strategy has just written. just posted, let's hear it. writing for the january issue of the u.s. naval institute's pro sidings magazine, samptongrady argues that, if we take the lessons from history , it is clear that china's numerical superiority is likely to lead to the defeat of the u.s. navy in any war with china, if the us navy cannot match the numbers of chinese missiles or ships, where the
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question is where they can find advantages , us leaders should ask themselves to what extent they are willing to bet on technological superiority in this confrontation without having , while the numerical advantage was written. i am not saying that it is smaller in number, but a more technologically advanced fleet. never be able to defeat a much larger fleet. i am only stating that, with the possible exception of three the last 1,200 years, none have been able to. but i don’t know, agree with me that, in general, the united states by its actions, by its lack of understanding of the russian position, by its unwillingness to accept the russian position, by its unwillingness to understand how the world works, which is not very disposed to accept someone else’s hegemony, that the united states simultaneously prompted both russia and china to seriously strengthen their military potential and, in
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this sense, the statement. and this is the assessment of the navy. china says it all not only that, uh, the economic opportunities of the united states are somewhat reduced, but militarily, the united states is facing new challenges that the united states itself has provoked. well , this is uh constantly logic in military affairs, when a buildup of strike power leads to a buildup of resistance and in my opinion, the united states and the west is the worst scenario. for them, in this story that we are now in, this is really the mobilization of all the forces of russia for victory in this story, the last thing they wanted to do was drag it out the conflict really make it sluggish with varying degrees of success, a protracted
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long one. this, probably, is quite consistent with some, if not strategic, then tactical goals, but to make sure that in russia they treat this, in fact, as a threat to their continued existence and achieve full mobilization. forces raised all the people all their industry, economy and rear and the front on to achieve victory is very bad. scenario for those who are currently involved in the game in ukraine as for uh? i just want to say that any challenge gives birth counter-challenge, and right now we are hearing reports about new russian missiles and new delivery vehicles, and poseidons, and daggers. it's all about whatever. naturally. a consequence of what the world is sinking into under the influence of the endless, ongoing military confrontation. uh, as far as relations with russia with china are concerned, it is obvious that
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not a single american expert has warned before and now that this is the whole game against russia. it leads only to one thing, to the fact that russia and china more and more compelled. not even necessary. eh, voluntarily, but they are forced to get closer, because they understand interdependence and this is actually a bad option for the united states, it may very well be that the strategic miscalculation is just that this is a preventive war against. the rising rival in the face of china, in fact, can be lost, it may very well be that someone in the united states analyzes and thinks that now it is necessary to strike, because it will be too late, but in reality in fact, now may be long too late in terms of how the world today presents itself. here, i just completely agree. i am not going to continue the study of the personality of the sewer, but it
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seems to me that all the same, it is necessary to treat the political elite of the united states with great care; there are people of various kinds. they may not be in the front row now, but they exist in the united states and they have always been in the united states . as for this particular generation of politicians, like kontalis rice, these are people devoid of any basic ideas. absolutely devoid of the idea of ​​objectivity, coming from this mantra that there is my country, which is always right and alien and there are double standards, without which we cannot exist, as a great power it is one thing - we are another matter, everyone else, what is allowed to jupiter is not allowed to the bull. we can do whatever we want to it. naturally, everyone else must do what we see fit or obey our rules. it is obvious. uh. that's when talk about the conflict with russia washington brussels then, but one important element, and i would
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say relative optimism, and on the outcome of this fight with russia, this is what the russian people are. in general, i am not ready to fight for ukraine, that this is a struggle for the territory of ukraine , er, russians are not inspired enough and that, on the contrary, many russians, especially young and educated. in general, we would like to leave russia in this situation and are ready to criticize the russian authorities. to what extent do you think these calculations are relevant to reality. not well in these calculations there is an element of reality. yes, we know that there is in our society, yes, if there is a certain position in this sense, even they kept silent about it, i'm not talking about those who speak out. well, therefore, indeed, such calculations can be more than that, i think that a
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lot is built on this, and i think that they understand. in america, you yourself are an american citizen. you know, once you fly there, many things are seen from afar, in a different way, we know our situation better here. that is, i agree with konstantin fedorovich that, in general, our society has consolidated as a whole, but we have unconditional and that part of society, which, as it were, does not support internally. they can do it, they understand it. and i think that their main thing, you see, we must give them their due. they are generally daring in the nature of americans. you know, here they have a chance to win. they think they have a chance to beat them, and another chance. uh, what is the unity of the russian people, but it is believed that it will crumble, because the more it will be,
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it just lasts more and more russian people. begins to realize that this is a war primarily for our existence. for us. it becomes more and more patriotic war. that is, those moments that were, as it were, and to a certain extent, incomprehensible to our people. they are more and more, it seems to me, the further the pressure goes, the more there is an inner feeling that you guys, it turns out, want to destroy us , such an inner feeling. the further it will go on in my opinion, the russian people will only be consolidated, but there they don't think so, and what's more, they're impressed with them today. apparently they are winning. well, if huge sanctions were introduced , a number of sanctions were carried out, then russia could not win this war quickly. so we also have problems. we all know this. they have a feeling that they can win it. not even in the sense of
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occupying moscow there, but their main goal is to shake them inside. some kind of internal russia, as they say, turmoil, which will lead to change. and now i will finish it, and it seems to me, in this sense, if they achieve this, hypothetically yes. and they are solving the issue with china, because in this case, if they can. to overthrow russia to take actually under control, they deprive china of the most important ally in general, they do not deprive the rear. in this sense, it is much easier for them to crush china after that, so it seems to me that here, as they say in russia, they are at war. this war against russia is actually a war for and against china already. i don't know how much china it's
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domestic already clearly understands this. i ca n't tell. i think it's already starting understand, but it seems to me that this is exactly so thank you. we will come back to this right after the ad and konstantin i will turn to you in because i am very interested in what you said and wrote about how russia never loses domestic wars, but but right after the ad andrei vasilyevich, boyar lieutenant colonel, and the people's council of the donetsk people's republic. which are right there on the front of the advertisement. on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the breaking of the siege of leningrad, a german agent is working on the highway, can you help me find him? who is there
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thank you very much for taking the time. uh, naturally, we are very interested in what is happening with you, what is happening on your front? what are your expectations? what is the matchmaker's point of view and the good news? well there is. if there are not very good ones too, please share. so, well, from the good news, a steady advance on the northern flag of the donetsk people's republic continues, this movement around already around the solidar continues to advance in the direction of crime in the direction of krasnaya gora. in general, it is finally over. uh, separate disparate units. uh, the personal, composition of the salt is finally selected, the halidar cleansings, and there are, uh, ours. uh, the promotion doesn't stop. this is very important, because well actually solidarity. uh, most importantly, the greatest value of solidarity is the promotion of our e in terms of
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cutting logistical routes and supplying them to that grouping of the pronounced formation of ukraine that is currently in artyomovsk, because well , solidarity. e, itself is located on the road, which is directed northwest . and uh, in the future, we will be able to influence the fire impact , first of all, along the rest of the roads that are heading towards artyomovsk. i also want to note that it is no less important for donetsk that movement that is on the part of our search. uh direction f9, already the backwaters of anna and the direction of kurakhov from the side of marinka the fact is that already at the moment donetsk has felt some reversal of close shelling due to this advance and now active operations continue. uh, locality. marinka is already back at what
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she is to someone and also we are moving in a north-western direction, first of all , we are talking about the fact that you will finally advance and are busy and firing positions, whose positions the enemy continues with our terrorist arrows cities. e. donetsk first of all corld, if makeup, well, unfortunately, not without sad news. e, today the enemy also subjected e, shelling attacks to the knees of donetsk and in the direction of the russian direction of their coloring from the direction of druzhkovka , a rocket attack was fired from the assyrian system of khaims, at least three rockets were fired. uh, by a lucky chance, the victim was avoided. uh, the infrastructure suffered. uh, the blow was inflicted by the hatykh industrially open at the factories the administrative building was damaged there glazing of houses. e. well, almost i repeat, by a lucky chance, the victims
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were avoided, and unlike yesterday , when a blow was struck in the area of ​​​​the academic market, key avenue. e, at least three years of highs were released, that is, more precisely, the priorities flew, the rest were shot down by our llc and at the moment, unfortunately. continues to parse named and virtually all knowledge has been completely destroyed and at the moment. we are talking about the fact that two women died, one on the seventh, the other on the seventy-fifth. uh, year of birth 8 people were injured that day. uh, more, uh, 60, got hurt. so they repeat, we continue to disassemble the rubble , the service works. the ministry of emergency situations operates all utilities. and uh. we are trying our best to resolve this as soon as possible. well, the tragedy is the question of their terrorist acts, sponsored by western countries, the most severe in terms of human casualties, strikes are made
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precisely by western weapons. first of all, these are the delivered large-caliber rockets and artillery systems of caliber, 155 mm, 155 mm, almost completely replaced. in the donetsk direction, other artillery systems at the moment, the use of soviet artistic systems inherited from the soviet union is episodic episodic from your point of view, when you talk about hamros, which, in principle, are high-precision weapons and, uh, there is a system for its guidance, and different systems on different levels, which, it seems, should ensure the accuracy of the hit. do you get the feeling that when the hymers lead to these civilian casualties that it's some tragic mistake or that shoots in no way, without embarrassment. uh, victim among untrustworthy
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people. well, earlier we have repeatedly heard that all targets for chemos in uh are selected and approved by western dried apricots, and not by western military specialists, and often we get a message that western military specialists are directly involved in the work on the firing position. . i mean , uh, it really only seems like a simple weapon. actually quite complex requires binding to the root position require control and indeed this is an adjusted weapon. uh, in this case, the circular probable deviation of such missiles is precisely at the final stage along the navigation satellite and along the industrial system. well, well , within the framework of, let's say, the city is relatively small and relatively small, and striking precisely in the area of ​​​​the traffic intersection. and at the time when people move to work earlier than that time, the
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hours when this intelligence is most loaded. you imagine that this, of course, had a two-conscious choice of target, and this choice was the main idea of ​​this event. well, the idea behind this strike is to really get as many civilian casualties as possible. uh, and to reach probably some information information section of some political. eh, i don’t know the meaning, i can’t explain it, but in general, of course, you are right about the combination of them and the fact that this is a fairly accurate weapon of everything. uh, the presence of a homing head and western approval of the choice of targets. eh, leads us to the thought of one, that the west is not just a sponsor of periodic attacks on donetsk, but is directly involved in planning, such as a, by the way, i would like to comment on this. we would ask a question. well uh, i believe that the
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fact that during this military operation during these military operations. ukraine has practically switched to western weapons, to these very installations of the most different caliber and range, and it is they who today, uh, are the main, effective means for delivering strikes on the civilian population have already been laid minute into any future of our relations with the west. we hear that it was just said about it that the soviet systems are practically already knocked out and, uh, everything is happening exclusively from the ukrainian side on the basis of western technology. but this is still half the battle, because before that it was really said that both the aiming and the guidance of all these e. missiles on the target, the coordination of these targets is carried out with the participation of instructors or, in some
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officers, representatives of the western alliance , that is, uh, from this to the direct participation in hostilities. yes , direct hostilities between us. well, there's practically no gap left, so uh, i'd like this to be what i've heard and said. uh, it's that some relief arose in donetsk due to the fact that the front starts to move on and moves on and apparently not from all positions the former former ones already. uh, the ukrainian armed forces and their western allies can strike at densely populated areas. e cities. it's one of the goals of our operation is to raise the threat from uh, donetsk people's republic and lugansk people's republic well, lead to the fact that life there still entered a peaceful track. that's to what extent. eh, in fact it is
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possible today, and in what timeframe, do you think the threat in donetsk is constantly shelling and casualties, it will be pushed aside. do you have any predictions for this? well , regarding forecasts. i would hurry. i want to say that the tasks that our servicemen are given and that they are currently performing. this is the task, first of all, uh, to systematically move along the previously selected plan in the previously chosen direction, therefore, of course, we see active work, of course , everyone wants to complete the cleansing of the territory of the donetsk people's republic as quickly as possible and secure large cities from artillery shelling. however. i want to note that not only the occupation of positions. uh , moving forward. uh, reduced the number of donetsk, and, but also our active work on the
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counter-battery fight against the enemy. that is, a significant number were knocked out and their systems and jet systems crashed voice fire and this allowed us to reduce the amount of uh ammunition that fly in the direction of our settlements by about two and a half times on average, therefore, i think that we will move. e, in the same direction at the same time and working hard against e artillery systems, working in this direction and advancing occupies the territory and thereby clearing the firing positions. i am trying to strive to secure our settlements, but in terms of timing. uh, you know, well, it's always such a slippery question. eh, the thing is well, we understand that it is possible to accelerate, but this acceleration will cost, and above all our personnel, and not always, uh,
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haste. it can be beneficial in the long run, so the present moment is the tempo that is chosen. uh, as part of a special military operation in the donetsk direction, it gives its result. we are moving in earnest . we do not allow the enemy to commit chlaming actions against our advancing troops. we continue. uh push the enemy progressively systemically and most importantly - er, in fact. we have turned. uh, these are the areas that they are constantly throwing their reserves. we are very essential and noticeable. uh, we are reducing its capabilities, that is, the task of dimitarization is being solved precisely at those lines where i think that, uh, some critical moment, some critical moment for, first of all, ukraine, uh, in general, it will be so to speak, let’s say, so and the pace of the operation
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is noticeably accelerating. thank you very much, andrey, it was very interesting and, of course, we have a lot of respect for the work that you have been doing and for the last time . especially for the results that you achieve. thank you. i read it. uh, the statements of each of you lately gave konstantin an interesting idea. that what is happening in ukraine is starting to remind you more and more of the patriotic war. and what, e russia sometimes lost local wars, but never lost the patriotic war. and you said the koran about the fact that, in general, what makes russia in ukraine is to some extent a civil war and it explains. why is
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this a war that cannot be afforded to be lost not only for the russian authorities, but also for the entire greater number of russian people. so i would like to start with you constantine. i think that the king and i spoke about the same thing, not only we and we do not pretend. i, at least, accurately on authorship. uh, i can say that almost from the first days of this special military operation. i called for us to treat it as a war that exists, indeed, in two forms. i wrote about it. uh, in in particular, here is a literary newspaper in syria of their articles in both march and april on the one hand. this is a postponed civil war, postponed during the collapse of the soviet union between those who wanted and who did not want the preservation of a common space, and this explains the great bitterness and many details of what is happening, they are explained precisely by the logic of the civil war on the other hand, due to
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the fact that not only one opposes us only ukraine and to a large extent and increasingly the collective west that supports ukraine and, in fact, without it. she would probably. could not resist today, because of this, it acquires the character of a patriotic war. and i really do. i'm just a historian and the strength of it. of my understanding of the past, i am sure that indeed in history there were many different episodes of the great rich russian history of russia fought a lot fought often defended its space, but russia really never lost the patriotic war the patriotic war was the time of troubles, which russia did not lose the patriotic war actually there was a northern war. and, by the way, those people who believe that the main thing is that we cut a window to europe and went to the baltic sea. this is an important result of the patriotic war, but nevertheless, the main events of this war took place in
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ukraine or, more precisely, speaking of little russia, at that moment there was no ukraine, and it was precisely the attempt of mazepa and karl to tear away this part of the muscovite state in the future of the russian empire from it. it led to the decisive battles of the northern war in poltava and so on. that is, it was also the patriotic war patriotic war without a doubt. there was a war of the twelfth year, the patriotic war was a war in the forty-first year of the patriotic war, the patriotic war turned into the crimean war, but the crimean war did not turn into the patriotic war precisely because the top at that moment alexander ii, who replaced nicholas the first, was not ready to continue this resistance. although uh, the allies who took one part of the city of sevastopol for a year and a half of the siege. they had no further strategic plans for the movement. they were glad that russia agreed to negotiate. it could turn into a patriotic war, in fact. it was the first
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european war, the predecessor of the first world war, but still it didn’t turn into me like that. now, if the main requirement in this case is that our people understand that this war is the fatherland, if they understand this, in this case it is very bad. it seems to me that this understanding is coming, but to say that it is absolutely for today. everyone has it, i can’t say that. i would not like to create visible to everyone. yes, it was not even during the great patriotic war. no, it arose very quickly at the beginning of the great patriotic war, it really wasn’t, when tens and hundreds of thousands of prisoners surrendered, when the nazi armies were rapidly advancing, but then this understanding came, and it actually allowed us to win this war completely, i agree with you for the sake of justice almost everyone had an understanding, but not everyone, of course, not everyone, but you spoke of the previous part, for example, about those on
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whom the west is betting on those who are against this war on those who e rushed out of the country. so we analyzed it at our institute and even submitted a whole report to our ministry of foreign affairs. here are the so -called recants. if the counts are different. how many people left first on a special military operation, then in the course of a partial military organization in russia uh? the numbers are different, but somewhere around half a million people left , so most of them have already returned, because they were not found. there is that happiness that was counted on and most of it has already returned. it's clear. this is the problematic part our population. they need to work with them, but they returned and that's it. uh, because they realized that in fact, no one is really waiting for them anywhere, uh, and they have no other option than how to return to their homeland and live here on the basis of these rules and laws that exist here in russia, they simply do not can. i think that when we talk, this is what is there in terms of position, that's about
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those we actually have. in my opinion , from what i see, the biggest position is just not opponents of the military. and those who think that she is not decisive enough. those who believe that, as they say, the armed forces are not sufficiently consolidated, those who believe that, so to speak, there are some kind of agreements, as we have among our people. they say that this is it, this is actually, in fact, quite dangerous, that is, we have a more patriotic position than as they say, this is the opposition, which is half a million. in my opinion. she is not like that. but this part of the e population is quite significant. here, uh, she's just says why you are not crossing there, do not bomb? why don't you stop there? uh, why would we trade gas and oil, so to speak?
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well, you understand what i'm talking about, and the fact that this is a civil war is a phenomenon here, what, after all, the civil war in russia was at the same time the patriotic war, so a civil war, because in this phenomenon, well, there was no civil war in the united states. and the domestic foreigners practically did not participate there, and foreigners participated in this war . and the paradox lies in the fact that russia acts, as it were, in the role of the reds, despite the fact that most of the elites and in general are not at all red. i would say even with a big anti-soviet. what does the background say? yes, but in fact, why? because , so to speak, in that civil war , the whites were just supported by the west, they just supported the west, and just in this sense, the civil war for the reds was not just a civil war. and also the patriotic war. this one, it seems to me, to a certain extent, this is a repetition, moreover, note - the same thing happened in ukraine, the
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same thing happened in ukraine once said. the red army entered there and the whole question is what, in my opinion. still, in a civil war, something else needs to be offered to the other side. this is what i think is still missing. that is , to offer something real, that is, the bolsheviks at one time offered land and the entire ukrainian peasantry followed them. that is, they decided that this is what we are today. we cannot find it yet. here's what you need. but i'm sure something needs to be suggested. ukrainian people in order to, as they say, reverse this situation. all the same, we have to live with him and we will not get away from this . here are these as if personal sympathy they are unambiguous here. uh, my grandfather was born in odessa uh, and fought and was executed for centuries, because he stood for a single indivisible
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my other grandfather was a cadet, but uh still, it seems to me that it is very important for us to distinguish between our emotions and our possibilities. here i will say one thing, a very contradictory thing. for me , in general, ukraine is a recognized state. naturally he is a state recognized by russia in general, like this, i do not perceive the situation on an emotional level. for me, they are ukrainian separatists, they are the people you remember, their leaders were top communist functionaries during the coup attempt in august 1991 . they are in contrast to the yeltsin leadership. they were quite ready to cooperate for the architects of the love spell. they took advantage
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of russia's weakness and did not break all those promises that they gave yeltsin and gave new ones to russia in general. it seems to me that e from the point of view of some abstract justice. one could say that this is not donetsk, not lugansk, crimea, but this is precisely the ukrainian elite, which is separatist and, from my point of view, very aggressively right to the common state, of course, is i would never advise taking this one. position means a physical position on the practical policy of the russian state to do. here is what kalenchuk said, i want to say, yes, in order to convince those who today are fighting against russia, seeing no other way out for themselves. yes it should be land was offered to the peasants, and the factory workers must make an effort on themselves. in our country, this is not happening in full within the country, but
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there in ukraine it would have to happen in order to achieve a result, how would you do it on a practical level, this uh, first of all means uh, well, let's shake hands. uh, all the grasping reflexes that some of us have about what is in the future in ukraine. they must be rejected. they should be put out of brackets in no case succumb to this desire, because those who want unconditionally always exist in the course of hostilities. they exist, but that's what needs to be done. i want to draw your attention a couple of days ago to weigh them published his article viktor medvedchuk and immediately. there is no big story in this article, nothing really unusual or some kind of discovery, but the very fact of its appearance excited people, because we are talking about an attempt to talk about what could be in ukraine, i am not at all ready to consider medvedchuk
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not the hero of my novel, that e medvedchuk is ready and his friends. this is a ready government in exile. but this is the beginning of a conversation about how something can be arranged in ukraine and who should take part in this, in any case, this is a definite application. and that is why it is so actively discussed, including on the first and second channels of our television. and this is not the first attempt. if there are other people, if there are other perspectives, we need to do this, we need to offer some options, we need to understand. uh, what is our victory, what is the necessary the condition of this victory is our progress. how long should it take. eh, what goals should we set for ourselves? these are very important questions, which conditionally do not have to be. so, uh, everyone understands from the very beginning, but the fact that we are beginning to understand today that the struggle is acquiring the character of a patriotic war is natural. in the beginning, not everyone
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understood the meaning of what was happening on the twenty- fourth of february. someone understood this, someone understood, the inevitability of this someone believed that it was wrong, but now more and more imbued with the impression of how they bombard and exterminate the civilian population. what happens to the prisoners? what happens with the help of the west as they try. uh, to destroy our culture, not only soviet to soviet, any russian culture, to eradicate the very concept of russian, and so on. all this takes on the character of a general struggle for the existence of the russian people and the russian state. and this is a very bad uh, the result for those who wanted the defeat of russia, such a defeat of russia , we never talk about russia's withdrawal from of the whole complex of measures is connected with the council of europe . you know, i called several people of different professions. and with different views they were united by one thing. no one paid any
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attention to it, no one said it terribly, no one said it perfectly, how it felt that, in general, people are basically indifferent to this. is it so? if so, why, but when, in connection with the exit of ours and the council of europe and now also with the presidential decree. uh, they say that we will not fulfill any previous obligations that we assumed in connection with participation. uh, in the same council of europe or other international european organizations, then, as a rule, first of all they talk about a moratorium on curtailed. you know that some time ago, when another terrorist attack happened. at our school, i am in the state duma and not only i started talking about the fact that we still need to return to the abolition of the moratorium on the death penalty, meaning the application against those who allow organizing or carrying out terrorist attacks in
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schools against e students children in kindergartens in schools and so on. we have e on today, several processes are going on at different stages over those who participated and organized these terrorist attacks. who was the terrorist then there was a fierce controversy in the press and a number of respected legislators in our country. the chairman of the constitutional court started talking about the fact that this is impossible, almost because almost because our constitution does not give such an opportunity . in general, i don’t even advise europe at all, this is actually not true, because in our constitution it is said that in exceptional cases, an exceptional reason this can take place if a jury trial is guaranteed, well , no one objects to this, and we are not talking about the death penalty for everyone and everyone, in any way for currency traders, as in khrushchev's time we are talking about those who allows terrorist attacks. for example, i admit that
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we can talk about war crimes also in the conditions of hostilities. this is also possible, however. we also have opposition to this in society, which, well, let's say, is a cliché senator who likes to talk about this topic and speak like one of the leading the constitutionalists in our federation council do not believe that this is impossible without the adoption of new views. i think that just the decree of the president says that we need to approach reasonably. uh, about our obligations. if now they are playing with us in the way they say now, then we have the right to change the conditions of this game. including when it comes to military operations, when it comes to the right to e, the use of a suicide bomber is not in exceptional cases for terrorists and zoovers who commit their crimes against children and youth, maybe there are some other categories that need it, because with all the explanations, uh, i give credit for the red-heartedness, but still we are talking about a very
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serious moment in the life of our country. we must curb this. we have adopted a number of laws to the state duma, which are designed to limit the possibilities of causing damage to russia. now there is a discussion about whether it is necessary or not, for example, to take action against those of our citizens who have gone abroad. and from there. uh, they are fighting against us using a variety of methods. basically, of course, propaganda, but at the same time they use all the possibilities of the citizens of the russian federation. i think that one must be very careful. in this question, what really, uh, in this case, you just need to measure seven times before cutting off, but such a topic arises for us. but i wanted to ask a very slightly different question. well, here we are, people, born and raised in the soviet union, we had different attitudes towards
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communism. well, in general, we considered ourselves europeans. in general, i continue to consider myself a european and i do not see anything shameful in this, we are a european people. here comes the pacific ocean. that's what i want to ask you, so you don't have the feeling that this decree, this break with the council of europe, that this is a symbol of russia's alienation, not just the council of europe, but it's europe and that this alienation is dangerous for russia in the long run. hmm, to a certain extent, yes. it is a symbol in certain ways, it seems to me, you are right to a certain extent, but the thing is that i think it is right. we need to some period from being surveyed from europe and how , like in pushkin. the less we love a woman, the easier it is, do we like mine? it seems to me that this hour has come. i
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will tell you about the council of europe. about 10 years ago i said somewhere in the program that we should leave? what sense do you understand, there was some sense when the countries of europe were independent, so then there was at least some kind of logic in this, but then all the countries of all western european countries united with the european union that is, in fact with the claim that this is one politics is one state and only we are there, as if alone against all, what is the meaning of this is completely incomprehensible, but that's not even the point. but the fact is that this is such a period, but it is necessary to delimit it. i absolutely do not believe that this will last forever. as some say, forever. nothing, it won't be forever, it's always, but some period is needed. and we need me yesterday vitaly comrade watched your program here. tretyakov, our mutual friend , said with such passion, lord, the main thing is that they do not cancel the sanctions. but this right. it's really right it's in
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my opinion. that is, i agree with him, that is, in my opinion, because if we return all this again now, we will lose everything. well, unfortunately, here we are, you understand, we will again, if we often offer movies. let's steal from the movies. again, not and this is what will happen with us, all american cinema, all tv channels and all this will be scored. well, okay. this is more than anything for the sake of it, i understand when you create some kind of product, but therefore i just think that at a certain stage it is this is correct and logical we have practically lost, for example, cultural sovereignty, in my opinion in 30 years. we lost him , you know, this and this is serious. this is much more serious than any other sovereignty. we also have an armed force there. but cultural sovereignty, we have almost completely lost. we need to restore it, it takes time. and this requires a definite disengagement. and do i repeat? i am a person who grew up in russian and
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western culture. in general, i know it well and love it, but this period, which is on my look is necessary in our country. that is, we must take care of ourselves and really solve all our problems ourselves and build the country that we want to build, but the way we want to build it, and not the way we are offered it from somewhere, therefore in my opinion. yes, it is such a symbolic definition. i don't know if the president put some kind of symbolism into this, but you got it right. it is correctly said that this is a symbol of george's consent, which i believe that the president laid down, the meaning under which he signed it was about the council we do not need to identify europe with the council of europe or the european union, with the concept of europe in general, with those that exist in the history of culture, and in all other issues. i understand that we have grounds for resentment and everything else, but we also have an unconditional
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need to restore our cultural sovereignty, so as not to become just a testing ground for some cheap hollywood raw material and everything else, but this does not mean that we must absolutely close. e to yourself any european road, culture and become like those who deny russian culture today, after all. unfortunately. i'm sure that when it comes to, uh, when it comes to filmmakers at dawn, he wo n't do it, but due to the fact that the whole dubai company is turning into a company, but unfortunately. then there will be people who will definitely demand, just as it is demanded in ukraine, that something be banned, that something be closed, and so on from what it is not necessary to prohibit and close, therefore, the abolition of one’s way of doubting one’s european identity. it too a serious question even for our present condition. we recently held a round table together with academician piotrovsky. is russia europe, should russia be considered
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russia, we should fight for europe in its own way. what is byzantium is not europe is it essentially eurasia of that time, but it is an element of european culture inherited from the roman empire and so on. and this is our predecessor. if we talk about the historical path, therefore it seems to me that we are europeans to repeat it, having reached the pacific ocean by its very originality, which included in its family a huge number of peoples of asian peoples, turning it into this cultural phenomenon of russia. we need to develop it to develop our own. civilizational identity, but at the same time renounces europe as such, on the grounds that we have hunted relations with the european union, that is, there are several decades or the council of europe that exist no longer, but this means, it seems to me, splashes with water and a child. karen i mean you a personal question. you have said and have said the pure truth that you know europe and the
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united states well and not only well. know them. what is called in general, theoretically, but you know, many of them once again actors, and you were a member, i would say, of the european elite. by the way, i think it was konstantinov to some extent when i show you in the united states, uh, on a personal level, you don’t have the feeling that you don’t have enough of these people, what? and here's how it is, he says, we were all together and suddenly they are so they decided to scam us, and most of us don't think they scammed us. uh, fair, uh or uh, you don't care, or maybe, on the contrary, you have the feeling that we deceived ourselves into thinking that we were accepted as truly equals. i think they deceived, yes, judging
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by the way they behave, as they say, our western colleagues yes, it looks like dostoevsky was less appreciated than we are. did they lie when they talk about it, i don’t know, i didn’t check, they need one of those proposals. i'm just talking, i see how it is happening. and no one demanded it from them in this situation. nobody asked for it. here we are really now completely disconnected, and they have disconnected us. it was their decision. it's in everything, as they say in the nuances, but here i am saying at the last venice festival, my picture, the courier was selected for this one, as his competition. uh, hmm, the classics are so classic, they have such a movie, they took everything away. everything started. they sent a letter saying they didn't. we cannot accept not that this is my personal offense,
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but i understand that in everything they do not accept we are in nothing at all now and no one is forcing them to do so. in fact, no one tells them from above that you should say so, they interrupted everything, but if they interrupted everything, but we still, well, in all cases, i still have some kind of feeling elementary dignity, not to be imposed, so i think that i repeat. i think that this period is one way or another, because russia, but still, it is too huge in every sense for them to even be able to exclude us, and therefore this period will pass and to somehow it's all going to be different, but for today it's this, uh, definite moment. i would say cultural betrayal is. he is. he is in all the nuances, they completely blocked. they do n't want us. and this i repeat. they are
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not forced by anyone. it's it's not the head of the level here. they are different. they cannot be presented as whole. well, it feels like they are solid, i don't know, but i'm something in common. i love this europe of serbia well, you know, of course, how serbs treat us, we think its europe or we will announce asia or serbia as an exception to whom? yes, serbia greece - this is europe, there is no doubt about the greek nurma the greek government, another history of slovakia is not 80%, uh, i’m lying 60% in the middle of last year, according to gaul, to the question of who you will fight and against whom if nato attacks or russia attack nato they said, but they don't mind, fuck, they say ordinary people. i'm talking about the cultural elite cut us off. she cut us off both buckwheat and slovak cut us off, by the way, they were more cultured, this
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uncultured elites and impose their point of view on them. you know, unfortunately time is running out. i agree with each of you. by the way, americans to a lesser extent. i agree with those, i agree with him. naturally, not all. they are all countries and not all people. now the americans bought two of my paintings from me, they are releasing in the states the city of zero-sulebi. without anyone agreeing with you, i am and sorry, i gave them an interview and not a word. they generally pass more times, but these are americans, oddly enough. here they have this most interesting conversation arises in the last moment, but there are laws of the laws of the genre. i want to finish with one simple thought of alexander savich. it's better to live as much as possible and not put down and the worst thing is when we
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