big game on the air today, russian president vladimir putin was in st. petersburg, in connection with the eightieth anniversary of the breaking of the blockade. this is a very important date of very tragic events and the president said very important things about what needs to be done so that there is never a repetition of the past. let's listen. questions about the recognition of the genocide against the civilian population of the soviet union are extremely important. of course, this issue was considered at one time in nuremberg and, in general, assessments were given when you talk about the need to preserve historical memory. i have already said that i

fully support this at the state level, we will do it, we will do it persistently. eh, including in order that nothing like i have said this does not happen again. meanwhile, uh, someone will deliberately come to oblivion of all these facts. we kind of heard. maybe just recently at the united nations , i was asked to vote. document condemning the glorification of nazism 50 countries voted against what could be who e can be against, and in order to recognize the criminalization of the generalization of nazism? well, well, what is it? this, uh, means it's not easy. uh, some kind of amnesia, some kind of historical or political, this is all again transferred here our time for what, in order, based on the current political situation. uh, it means

to keep such a common front of pressure on our country. well, president putin said one more important thing on the same issue on the issue of memory and nazism, and he connected. the tragic past is quite formidable circumstances today, let's listen. i want to emphasize this. we are absolutely justified in saying that we are fighting it here. well, there is bandera. bandera, who collaborated with hitler and shot his civilians. so his henchmen were engaged in the killing of civilians. he was elevated to the rank of a national hero of ukraine. well, as you can imagine, and

everyone is silent, they don’t notice, they pretend that they don’t notice, but it’s true. this means that they continue this practice and practice beyond the grad detachments and practice. uh, shooting uh, civilians. they continue these abuses of civilians in the donbass in the adjacent territories. by the way, this is why we have every reason to call the current regime neo-nazi. and there is every reason to help, including with the help of the armed forces, those people who consider themselves part of russian culture, native speakers of the russian language, value this as well as their own culture and traditions. we can not help but protect them. just andrey tikhontsev, dean of the faculty of international relations at mgimo and andreeva carefully. look at

what is happening in the collective west. and indeed, looking at the evolution of modern ukraine well, it's hard not to agree that it is moving in the direction of neo-nazism, and the president designated several signs. but i think that you can prepare a whole sheet, and andronicus and i discussed this in vsevych. and it seemed to us that for some time earlier it was premature to talk about neo-nazism in ukraine, i must say that president zelensky is very effective. as if pursuing a course in the direction neo-nazism. and when i watch constantly the last few months. and when people are already deprived of citizenship by a presidential decree, when, in general, in fact, and without any serious procedures, and deputies are expelled, and from the ukrainian rada. and when

publications are closed one after another, and most importantly, the complete suppression of the russian language of russian culture and now the russian orthodox church. it's not a secret. this is not some secret, veiled activity. this is all before our eyes and the question really arises why and as they say in the west, committed to the democratic ideals of the collective west, why it categorically refuses to notice this and hooked on the blind support of ukraine ukraine is a tool a tool should be good. sharpened must perform its function , not hesitate and act in accordance with the program. and no matter what the flaws of this

very instrument, if it performs its main function, then everything is forgiven to it. many statements of western politicians now leave no possibility of interpreting their words, otherwise than the instrumentalization of ukraine becomes completely secondary to what kind of government there is and no one, of course, pays attention to all the possible types of human rights violations that we encounter today in this country until then. so far, ukraine as a platform as an instrument as a protagonist in opposition to our country from which, by proxy, you can fight to stuff it with weapons of course, all these semitones in the assessments of the western elites, they will never arise. it's not a new phenomenon. uh, radicalization of the ukrainian regime did not happen last year. for all 8 years, starting from the age of 14,

lately, it seems to me, this is forgiven very much, because now he is seen on the side of ukraine. the west has one strategic task to be a power counterbalance to our country, as much as possible with its resources. uh, hmm to involve in this crisis to weaken our country. well, in the end, what remains of ukraine and we are patting. uh, the ukrainian government is on the shoulder to accept the composition. west, let's see what remains of it, everything else in my opinion. is not more than this media cycle and uh, you know, that's the western foreign policy feature of american foreign policy, oh, which kenan also wrote in the book american diplomos. e. he called the birthmark of us foreign policy the desire to feel right pious good, they achieve strategic goals and interests now a rare opportunity for the united

states to do both, but for many of their allies in europe i think that e more often they rely on on this feeling of being pious than persecuting one's own strategic interests, and at some point the distance between these two realities will become apparent. thank you professor migran mgimo you headed the institute. uh, russian institute for the study of democracy. e in new york, and we looked not only at the democratic and anti-democratic processes, you also looked at the political structure at the ruling positional parties. that's what's hard for me to accept is something that's hard. finding very difficult almost impossible to find any voices. protests against what is happening in ukraine of blind support

western ukraine but unless we are talking about some people who are on the periphery of western politics, they can be very honest good people, but they do not have influence, but i'm not only telling you, uh, in the eighties. remember the movement against the deployment of an american missile in europe , remember the protests that were, for example, in germany in france, when the united states decided to go to war in iraq well, there were many such movements for peace against militarism, but, if you like, in europe against the hegemony of the united states andronicus where was all this done? uh, you know, dmitry is a very good question, the answer is maybe, unfortunately , great, but i'll try. eat, because you can not too big. yes, of course, you know that the point is that what you are

talking about, these ropes, the pure tenth seventies. it is, of course, a universal defeat. west, the defeat of the united states in southeast asia, the vietnamese syndrome, the defeat of generally liberal democratic regimes in europe, everywhere in europe, then already jean-francois rivel wrote the temptation of totalitarianism and raymonaron wrote, that finlandization itself is going on in europe. will and strength to resist. no communism. everywhere captures the whole space. and therefore, by the way, it's not in vain that i remember . i can't help but recall this outstanding report of the tripartite commission of 75, the crisis of democracy, the problem of controllability of western rivers. those who don't remember? that's what. it's a tripartite commission - it's businessmen

, political intellectuals, who formed a tripartite commission in order to write reports for the meetings of the seven and recommendations very, very much. by the way, why as a matter of fact, in the introduction, it is in the 75 year report that even the woman begins with a quote. uh, that means, uh from the chancellor, uh, who just got burned in a spy scandal, or brother, and brother, leaving office, said in 74. the world is rolling totalitarian dictatorship around the world left western democracy to live with 25-30 years. why did i start from afar for the first time excuse me, but yes, yes. i want you to say all this totalitarian now

, it seems to me a direct question. you mentioned bran is correct. yes bran was social. yes there were differences then. well, of course, brother christian democrats - this is a breakthrough in the russian serious differences. no, unfortunately, this is not the case, but in france in the last there is no last person who had the opportunity to be different. it was helmut kohl, i always say that politicians of great style, who had imagination ability. decide there will there and so on. it all ended with the collapse of the soviet union, you will be the eldest, you were in the usa, which means helmutkol in germany, but not yet well, maybe even with some reservations and chirac can be attributed to this group of politicians, but i

want to continue this thought. i think he is very important. you gave me the opportunity to formulate exactly why this happened? this is what interests me the most. now wait, i'm more interested in one question. where to share? i want to answer exactly this, but dmitry precisely. here you are me like this. and what happened, as i am a person who daily followed america, the west and so on. that's when the demand arose for a new ideology and a new policy, because america could not live, the biggest country, the most powerful country, and so on. she lost the war in southeast asia, she is going through an internal crisis, because inside the country there were simply crazy performances and so on in university

impulses everywhere and so on, and then they were called up. in general, the ideological revenge of the people who received the title of neoconservatives, but the conservatives for the entire second half of the seventies. they were preparing that capitalism is the best system, liberal democracy is the only one that will give us a chance. communism must survive to bury, that is, america must also be strong, powerful, europe must be saved , mobilized, and the story is behind us, and you know what happened in this is the biggest. uh, here's the problem really later, reagan, who came to power, became the most ideological president in the history of america when he said that's the only person who in the soviet union could afford to say we will bury

you capitalists. it was nikita khrushchev, after whom the initiative, the sense of one's own rightness, was lost here. and faith in the future and these people then created this faith, and alas. unfortunately, in these years, the reagant began to give its results, the reagant invaded somewhere else there the west to win back some losses, and suddenly, against this background, the soviet union collapsed and the west turned out to have no alternative system, that is, there was no opposing force that would break them here is the confidence in its purpose. here. today we are at such a turning point for the first time. this war shows that no the world has changed, the world will not dance. uh, to the tune of washington

not brussels there and so on. there are other centers of power, as lavrov said many times today and putin often says the world is becoming multipolar, and therefore. i think that if we manage to glorify the resistance today in ukraine and achieve even more success. i think that these successes will spread to the united states, europe, i am absolutely sure of this, that is, there has not yet been a turning point and a big defeat, and even more so such a frontal one from russia from a major power of the ancients thank you general. you worked for many years in the kgb in the first main department, then in the foreign intelligence service, a lieutenant general and not just an outstanding intelligence officer headed the information and analytical department. here

, explain to me well, everything that andronicus said is true, but where did the disagreements between european parties go, where do they go? well, well, well, here, i'm looking at germany well, it feels like there are some small nuances, but they sing with one voice, it feels like in france well, maybe i 'm wrong. well, i don't understand. why did they discuss foreign policy issues, he failed. in the general understanding that, in my opinion, uh, both europe and the united states of america first of all, they have, uh, in addition to all the problems associated with the economy, they have, uh, a more serious crisis. just an ideological crisis. right now, at this moment, there was euphoria, they are all the hat of

victory, but really having lost the enemy of a permanent alternative. they are now in an ideological crisis. they really saw that this crisis does not affect russia. russia remains on traditional likes, we do not like on its traditional positions. they have a crisis. i think the decision that they made, probably not even in the fourteenth year of 2014, but before that, use ukraine to strike at this, as they considered the remaining traditional force, until it took advantage. e growth with e this crisis. here uh. they made such a decision to strike this blow, and in all countries everything is pouring into christian democracy, social

democracy. i don't know what kind of sal democratic democracy. everything, everything is somehow leveled. they have replaced the traditional one can even say the values ​​of one's christian values, yes, so that we do not speak for them, they replaced them with new ideologies. well, now they are lgbt new ideologies, well, all the time, but everywhere it leads them to a crisis. they worked very actively. dmitry , we forget this for the last eight years. they not only worked in ukraine, they worked atafine. yes, replacing helsinki, all the leadership is there, putting people there. uh , soros graduates, i don’t know, there are some others. uh, closed-end fund organizations and so on. they worked. i'll just have you they called him an outstanding intelligence officer, as an intelligence analyst, i say, they paid special attention, they paid this strip that separates. uh,

classic western european trials. elites. yes, yes, yes, this is this elite. for them, it's just not important christian democrats or social democrats. they are only concerned with one thing to save. this is the advantage of the west to spread its new idea of ​​ideology to keep. uh, the order of things that has been so far, destroying the only alternative. this is russia russia now an alternative. and they, as mr. shvetsov correctly said, that they are united , they forgive both nazism and fascism forgive. why yes because uh scoundrel. immediately, the same nazi ukraine, but this is our scoundrel. it solves our main problem to stop russia , to weaken russia, er, to split russia. therefore,

everything will be forgiven and they will close their eyes to nazism and i say, and to fascism and to repressions, and to murder, the lack of democracy, everything is forgiven, especially since they already not democrats. it's already kind of such a global globalist, where all these nuances, about which you are talking, no longer play any role thank you and now we will talk with a person who is in arms, but fights but so that these non-globalist fantasies are not, so that these fantasies are not slandered did not win in ukraine and did not pose an extreme threat to russia and with us today is artyom of the sparta battalion and he is also the father of the hero of russia vladimir joker and artyom, in my opinion, today is your birthday. happy birthday,

happy birthday! we congratulate you very warmly and especially grateful that on such a day you found the opportunity to join us. thanks a lot. well, the first question he natural, what's going on at your front? are there any significant changes and, uh, i especially wanted to ask you about the regular rumors spread from kiev that, before the meeting in ramstein, they are organizing some kind of counteroffensive to pleasantly hit their western sponsors. is it happening or not? well, on the front, the enemy, uh, the regular periodically tries to launch a counteroffensive on some hmm positions on the lines to improve their position, but we snatched the initiative, took

over and began to advance. yes, it is difficult this difficult promotion. eh, regularly. ah, collision. e with the enemy. uh, the enemy is constantly pulling up reserves, both in manpower and in technology. uh plus uh, playing. uh, an advantage in some way. uh, the folds of the terrain are the terrain, which is the enemy in these 8 years. e-e has improved with his falsification structures and provides new points of position to take higher and better heights. but still step by step step centimeter by centimeter by meter position by position we push back and deal with this meeting. uh, of course, the enemy is u interested in getting regular weapons from the west uh hmm and will make many regular attempts. eh, in order to

somehow improve your position, in order to put yourself in a better light in front of your sponsors in front of your masters, so to speak, the people who give them. uh, this is arming this technique, but we are working ahead of the curve. they even boast about such sections of the front. they will transmit this or that technique, respectively, we react in advance by inflicting preemptive strikes. it's like aviation is artillery, and assault actions. i would like to ask. eh, do you have any? reliable information about what role foreign experts play, uh, are they military advisers? do they help maintain weapons? are they on your sector of the front in some kind of reconnaissance capacity? yes, foreign

mercenaries are quite widely represented in the entire front line, they are engaged in both, uh, instructor activities, that is, uh, train uh, mobilized personnel, both at training grounds in the depths of, uh, the depths of the country of ukraine and at training grounds at military bases. e nato e troops of ukraine that mobilized are being trained there , tactical e, handling weapons, studying the performance characteristics of western weapons, because the stocks of soviet exemplary weapons of the ukrainian regime have depleted, e-e, the socialist camp has already, in principle, already devastated all its warehouses and now it’s already switch to format nato, respectively. e troops need to be trained in order to get acquainted with the performance characteristics of weapons with e, how to handle it, how to

use it? uh, also uh, the ukrainian regime, uh, makes extensive use of the intelligence that it doesn't get from uh, nato military intelligence. uh, this was said by the contingent and also, uh, foreign mercenaries take an active part in the direct hostilities of the prisoners that we take on our sectors of the front. constantly there in that they were trained with the participation of nato advisers and c. their dah also participates and is actively involved in nato military personnel. but when you said about nato servicemen, what role do they play? well, as instructors, they take charge of the actions themselves. uh, they also directly conduct reconnaissance and more

specialized nato military personnel. uh, they make sabotage exits. they are trying to perform some kind of divisional actions, trying to enter the rear. uh, our troops. what we successfully prevent at the time of their approach to our borders are also presented. samples. e chevrons. u western-style nato, uh, flags, uh, their patches uh, tell me about uh, ukrainian troops. uh, do you have the impression that they have a shortage of some armaments of ammunition, that the artillery fire has somewhat decreased, that they do not receive enough shells. we hear some information about this, but as far as i know so far, at least not specifically enough, if we talk about the open media space. well

, in principle, a decrease in their firepower and the amount of ammunition. we feel from images on his skin, respectively, decreases. uh, the number and massiveness of shelling. yes, they get pissed off. uh, when we start to take assault actions, we go in. uh, they start to activate their artillery, but not as actively not so massively not in such a large screen, as was previously noted by e. e, respectively, e, with our active actions. uh, their periodic subdivision when advancing. we have to move forward more and more retreat these features of the city. e which slightly reduces the shelling of the infrastructure of the city of the republic e, kindergartens schools although all the same, shelling continues periodically and civilians are killed. huge thanks to you

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agreed what atrocities are committed by the ukrainian army, that it does not make any impression, sometimes someone or some newspaper admits something. well, in general, this is immediately, firstly skipped, and then it is explained that ukraine is a victim of aggression, and uh, it is quite clear that when they defend their land, what is called happens a psychic or some kind for me, at least a very strange silence when you think about the traditions of e big european newspapers to criticize their governments,

including about foreign policy, ask difficult questions, publish some facts that contradict the official line. here the question involuntarily arises e, well, what, but in the west, but they simply tolerate what is happening in ukraine because it is useful in the fight against russia because of the new globalist world order, or maybe, or maybe, uh, and the forgiveness of ukraine is limited, maybe it serves or even instructs the presidents of zelensky opinion? i believe that the center of the strategic initiative is now in the united states and most of the western european countries, they do not own this initiative and trust or are forced to listen to american opinion, i believe that the americans know better

europe after the second world war was in a period that can be metaphorically called vacation from strategic thinking. they believed that the main provider of security, the united states providing a nuclear umbrella for western europe, they knew best in their hands the strategy and logic of nato that was originally laid down. as a way to contain the soviet union and hold the germans. under control, the involvement of the americans is the cause of the continent - this is the reinforced concrete logic, and the western bloc, which is now, uh, subsides itself anew dust. in general, far away. she did not go anywhere even in the nineties . uh, but the moment is different period, let's say on the eve of world war ii from the current one, then each european country played on its own, relatively speaking, the national elites determined the course of national policy, trying to weigh what would be best for the country. now, uh, the european

elites think in terms of common western interests, which, as they see it, are best formulated in washington in washington, there are convenient partners in the form of eastern european small countries that are very emotionally loud, and so bright and dominant now in public discourse, uh, all the initiatives that used to seem extreme are now getting a platform in the leading forums and uh, it's very convenient for the united states those countries that are trying to play it safe and are still calling. let's not close the door for russia. we will be forced to talk to them diplomacy, the war will return when it ends, it is now in the shadows. they do not have the initiative and, in fact, they are uncomfortable opponents. uh, for just these small countries of eastern europe and for the united states, which themselves must determine and do not want to give to anyone. that 's right. how this crisis will develop for

the west entirely from here dmitry and the answer to your question is no discussion, since everyone assumes that washington understands where things are going, and europe is already quite deeply involved in this crisis and in fact there is no other outcome than the defeat of russia they they do not see for themselves how optimal they are counting on the fact that this defeat will free up resources that will allow them to solve european problems. and that's how myopic pretty pumps it up voltage. uh hmm i guess they will be very surprised and look at their theses in a year. but when do we look at the former cold war? it can be said that there was a conflict between two ideologies. well, today i do not see russia's foreign policy ideology. i see ideological attitudes and principles about russia

that russia accepts and follows within its own country, but i don’t see that russia has an active desire to spread its ideas about beauty to the whole world, but at the same time, when we talk about it seems to me that the united states and its allies are seeing a completely different trend, and today sergey lavrov was just talking about how nato and the european union, tandem, is beginning to act in an international ideological campaign. let's listen. returning to the nato declaration of the european union, a very interesting document, these two structures of nato and the eu are declared an alliance of democracy against autocracies in the context of global rivalry, that is, a deliberately confrontational agenda is proclaimed to the whole world and at the same time, as i said

europe has lost its independence. uh, the joint declaration directly put the europeans. subordinate position in relation to the north atlantic alliance, in fact, pulls them up contains their obligations to serve american interests in the geopolitical containment of the containment of russia and china uh, and in general, the goal that was already known to everyone was proclaimed, but it is now already documented once again the achievement of the global superiority of the north atlantic alliance, led by americans. you and leonid worked in european countries, especially in the balkans. you know their politics well. well, in general, as if heading the analytical department of the foreign intelligence service and representing the european

political kitchen. well, looking, really, not at the europe that we would like to see, but the one that exists, if russia has some possibilities of political influence on the processes taking place in europe, and they are talking about interfering in, uh elections, which, of course, would be immediately used opponents of russia, and i'm talking about things that would not violate the laws, and which would be subtle and which, in general, have always been part of the political professionals of the great powers, it's no secret that england , france, for example, the revolution tried to influence , uh, russian politics. therefore, in principle, if this is done, but if it is possible, so to speak, within some reasonable e, rules of rules mutually agreed they are

established by the collective west, then in general i see nothing wrong with this, except for the cow, but there is is it an audience for this kind of russian action? well, colleagues, by the way, talked about this. i once again. uh, i want to pay attention, if there are leaders in europe at all, if there are simply no authoritative politicians. hmm when we say collective smell. this is the collective west - this is the collective leadership. well, at the head of the united states yes, this is because there really are no leaders. now just the dictation of the new european elite, which is formed by the reactive section of the united states and england and this dictation, but every practically european country there are, as you said, good people, but they do not decide anything. no there are people. there are people who are politically prepared, this is a minority,

but it is forced to take such a position in the shadows to retreat. and this will continue until we begin to have serious victories in our inner world. and i think this is the internal front ukraine on our internal front, as soon as serious victories begin, a revival begins, nevertheless, in europe there are , uh, sober-minded politicians and figures who are now bent into such a corral nevertheless. uh, how to influence europe , you can influence now at this moment, well, the next two or three months. this is the successful conduct of a special military operation by a successful conduct, that is, in any eastern european country. well, except maybe? i don't know the czech republic or

any other country in any eastern european country, there are forces that want a change in the situation, they want a return. what did andrey andreevich say about his national policy and these forces exist again, i say again, slovaks are all serbia, even in bulgaria even even yes, there is in greece. yes? even uh, the funeral of the last king of greece showed what a mass, and what is the funeral of the last king? yes, this is an expression of their national honest national identity, thousands did not expect all this, uh, the greek puppet government simply did not expect. for such an effect, these forces now have a lot depends on russia, yes, diplomacy, yes, and the economy is all important, but it is important, uh, delivering decisive blows to the non-nazi

regime and success, yes. uh, the lines of combat contact, you know, leonid is not very at least doesn't want to agree with you. yeah, because, of course, the idea that in the uh 21st century we are at the uh stage when the most effective, perhaps, at this stage, the only effective uh tool of russia is military force. this is, of course, a very unpleasant conclusion, and i fully share it. you know, and the media in the west, which work in very close contact, and with the russian opposition, they have been trying for years to create an image of russia that, from my point of view. uh, have little to do with reality and which help to suppress some sympathy for the russian state and i'm not afraid to even tell the russian people,

but at the same time. they stopped being afraid of kiev, and there were many reasons for this, of course, the first reason was mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev and his pathological rejection of blood. i mean bloodshed. here he dronik gave very valuable advice with his wonderful article. what kind of iron hand was it? now i’m turning to you, well, drive, iron hand, well, in general, there was a mood, but to consider that if you used military force, you already recognized his moral defeat, then there were the dashing nineties and there were a significant part of the elites, who openly looked back, and then, uh, putin created a new russia and a new ability and willingness of russia to defend its interests. but what is called moscow was not

built right away and was understood in the west? this is serious and most likely, for a long time it took many years for such an understanding to arise, and therefore i absolutely agree with you, general, that in order to break this, if you want a totalitarian monolith, public consciousness in europe to unfortunately, unfortunately, there is no alternative to military actions, the very ones that are taking place today in ukraine and thus for the sake of the success of which the president of russia has just announced, but a serious expansion of the russian armed forces. so these are far from empty words. but now moving on, uh, from the great to the funny, this forum is now going on until 8, i don’t know, to be honest, what it is. uh, i often went there in the nineties

, and at the beginning it was interesting to me, because i had not been invited to such parties before and you sit there with the world captains. e of big business, you exchange with them, e, greetings and even information, you go to the reception, er, he is standing next to you, a very nice person, he says, i know him, i saw you on television, and i say the prime minister of finland and says, you have just arrived from washington, they are talking about expanding nato, but it cannot be that they are really going to do this. but after all, this will definitely provoke russia, this is not at all what we in finland need in russia such productive relationship. don't they understand it? and now, uh, one of the heroines, uh, of this, uh, performance. here she is the prime minister, the

prime minister of today's finland, who, well, she's dancing there, uh, there's nothing wrong with that, as long as she 's not on drugs. she said that she takes light alcoholic drinks, but not drugs, but she made loud statements there about how finland should, uh, together with allies in europe , achieve victory in ukraine, so she cannot live. it would be a catastrophe, but for finland if there was no victory in ukraine well, uh, now, if you look what you look like some kind of political performance, they are a meeting of the business world, but then in between. uh, there 's a fight session going on, uh, climate change and they say it's very hard. uh,

the nobles have to go there, because the crowded local airfields where all these climate change fighters are in their uh, in their private jets. the figure is 1,000 aircraft. they say that private ones flew in and then, of course i looked at the program of the mandatory session of the mandatory session on women's rights. uh, how to fight against sexism and so on, but in the evenings several western newspapers also write about this, but in the evenings, and there is a shortage of prostitutes, who are brought not only from all over switzerland, but there are neighboring countries, prices incredibly rise during the day, they discuss the virtues of a woman. but in the evenings , er, in the evenings, they do understandable things. now, i want to ask you. here, it always

seemed to me that this party. in general, very hypocritical and not very interesting, except for those people who come to conclude some specific deals. and here, of course, contacts can be, uh, very useful, but somehow this is an event, and it degenerated into a combination of a performance. and if you want a political rally directed against russia and now gradual against china, what is happening there and how seriously it should be taken. well, first of all, i'll tell you what really happened in the nineties. i also performed at various events of this forum. they came here, they traveled all over the soviet space. then there really was a genuine interest among

many people who went there, so, why? and because really grandiose political economic issues were then resolved today, dmitry is not, but like, uh, apparently these girls and that's the scandal today is the place. turned you go there, because it is a symbol of globalism. these are new values. what are the new values? that is why, uh, lavrov said today, and what is being imposed on the rest of the world by the new lifestyle gender indeterminacy man, uh, raises children and talks about it later. you find out if you are a man or

a woman, or transgender, or whatever, so much the better, then you should be in trend. today they go there, then it's a secular party. this, of course, in the most disgusting forms of manifestation. this neo-liberalism of the new liberal e, extremes, in general, both in sexual relations and in carrying out all sorts. uh, get-togethers, there and so on and so on and so far for their own power and wealth. that's what it has turned. therefore, it does not play any serious, non-political , non-economic role, and therefore, well, you know, i just watched it today too, they just showed it on fox, an hour of 700 euros. there night 2.300 euros. well, so that people know what the prices are, if anyone decides to go there to use the services and there are not enough prostitutes, because there are a lot of rich people,

but i dmitry would still like one thing very important. uh, so label here, because i didn't have the opportunity. why here we are faced with the current situation, and why is the west so insensitive to what is happening in ukraine and in russian ukrainian relations, i came to absolutely such a serious deep conviction. that the west, and especially the americans, do not consider ukraine not as a state, in any way a people. this is a hired crowd of men and women. kids, they've been hired. these are the ones that have no and therefore they do not have responsible national leaders who would think about them and therefore they calmly say, go to the last ukrainian there will be a war to the

last ukrainian. only, by the way, only units of voices are heard, i can’t help but remember, of course, turkey is a bastard, which, when she said, listen, ukraine cannot defeat russia, there is no need to supply weapons. only this will lead to more victims and more destruction. think about this people, and no one wants to think about this and, by the way, the national elite. there, all the more, he doesn’t think, but they just earn money on it. and by the way, they also make money on this, as the americans say, now there are many analysts in american political circles who receive kickbacks from this money, which is allocated to continue the war until the last ukrainian in ukraine, i would like to say about my personal attitude to contentment. yes, but, firstly, you ca n’t forbid being rich even if people are headed by

the largest corporations. and if they have money not stolen from anyone, not stolen from anyone, then on which planes they arrive, and this is not my special business before their cat life. if someone wants to have fun with uh, women, and with a little social responsibility, that's me as a person unclear. it seems to me uninteresting not attractive to me. it didn't bother me too much either. what revolts me in e to 8 and more clearly in the political and business elite that gathers there is their hypocrisy and double standards. this is, uh, talking about, uh, that we need to fight climate pollution, that it is almost the number one public priority, even for a short distance in

their private jets, to talk about the rights and dignity of women and bring these priestesses with people. these are people with a complete absence from my points of view. but here, and some sense of dignity. well, i'm not afraid to say some kind of understanding that there is still truth, on the one hand, it is different for everyone, but there are some self-evident things, and these two religions of the start, they are right on the rod. due to the fact that former us secretary of state henry kissinger's davos video speech form, which caused a lot of attention. not only not so much even at the davos forum itself. how many in the political circles of europe, including russia, i would like to talk about this, but before we'll do it, as they say in america in the spiri, it's fu, dislodge in the spirit of full

frankness. i must say that i have known henry kissinger for many, many years. and what about kiseljer, uh, honorary chairman and board member of the center for national interest, uh, which i headed for many years. and er, that i consider the brush of an engineer to be a very serious and sane person. so my here, er, personal sympathies for henry kissinger are absolutely clear. and i only tell you just that when i look at a person who in a few months it will be 100 years old and who in march is 27 and uh, and uh, who does n’t have such a clear thought, if you want such a

constructive desire from my point of view to do something useful, but here’s how his speech sounded, a his speech at eight was even more interpreted and caused great controversy and bewilderment among many people who still had great respect for the singer in russia let's hear what the former secretary of state had to say. i believe in dialogue with russia while the war continues in the cessation of hostilities while reaching the pre-war line and continuing the process of discussion of europe by america and russia by the subsequent evolution, although the terms of sanctions and other pressures will be maintained until a final settlement is reached. i believe that this is a way to prevent the escalation of the war before this war. i opposed the entry of

ukraine into nato because i was afraid that it would start exactly the process that we are witnessing now. now that this process has reached such a level, the idea of ​​a neutral ukraine in these conditions no longer makes sense. i i think that ukraine's membership in nato would be a suitable outcome. but you know the translation. i unfortunately looked, but, in my opinion, not accurate, but because i personally read it in english. and it was said there that the association is a-a. in whatever form it would be a suitable result. these are slightly different things. as you understand, these are slightly different things, because, as i understand it, he meant that russia spoke. against not only

ukraine's membership in nato, but also any serious association of ukraine with this military bloc and the promotion of nato infrastructure to ukraine and, as i understand it, kissi. he was trying to say that it was the promotion of nato's infrastructure, that nato's involvement in the conflict in ukraine, that this had already happened, he tells me that it was good. he doesn't say it was right. he says it's already happened and uh, keezilanger. i assure you he knows better than us. that in order for ukraine to be accepted into nato , it is required, firstly, that all nato members agree, and before that it is very far away, but how at a minimum, this required ukraine to restore or restore its control over all lost territories, or for ukraine to agree that these territories no longer

belong to ukraine and say that it is part of nato within the current real borders. i don't see it either, so for me the question is about ukraine's admission to nato from a practical point of view. not worth it, because as you said leonid in such matters. the main thing that happens on the battlefield and in such matters is from a diplomatic point of view, but in disagreement of all nato members and the weight of russia's consent consent of all nato members will not. i want to ask you andrey how do you assess the speech of the kesitel, and to what extent do you think that the main thing for him was to talk about the necessary need to maintain at least hopes for partnership with russia and continue the dialogue in the current difficulties or the main thing for

him. e was to involve ukraine in nato, and maybe both of your opinions. i think that every analyst, including such major ones as henry kissinger, still does not have full of information about the moment we are in, and we have just entered another budget cycle a of public administration in any country, including the united states, is based on budget cycles and in the twenty-third year in the united states for budgeting huge funds for military support to ukraine is a direct investment in the continuation of the conflict. these big numbers inspire, uh, certain impulses for the european ally, and ursula is fond of it in her speech. e on television with pleasure emphasized that it does not have its own army, but we are guided by the figures that are provided to us by the united states and the kissingers. realizes that if now he

says that ukraine cannot win. russia cannot lose. we are essentially funding war, not funding peace. we are delaying the resolution of this key issue for our relations with russia and we are postponing the resolution of this crisis for the european continent. and let's all accept that this year we will see more destruction and loss, and in a year there will be a new strategic situation. and we will return to this issue again. i assure you that no one would be ready to hear this pleasure. now andrey, you are saying that there is one more thing for sure. there is one more thing. which is more important for politicians than for analysts, for a politician it is important not only to give the right analysis for a politician it is important to be heard and i just think that in the current atmosphere i have

deviated, if you want from the western mainstream on nato and if he were to come out in full now uh vs. uh, granting ukraine, at least, the hopes of an offensive in nato. i think that they simply didn’t hear and it would just be like zelensky hinted that he was an agent of the kremlin, and then he would simply be accused of being an agent of the kremlin and, uh, the results of his words. it would be minimal. i also think, although i don’t know this with accuracy, but i heard that , of course, there was a lot of pressure on him, but it’s clear that zelensky criticized him, that he had voices in ukraine, that he needs to be included and put under the sanctions of ukraine of course very big very large, and the lobby in the united states and

the ukrainians themselves and their lobbyists are incredibly active and allow themselves what even the israelis once did . they didn’t allow me to work in such conditions, it was very, very difficult. i know it myself. and when i said things that i didn’t like the ukrainian comrades, then not only denunciations in all instances immediately flew, not only they began to curse me in all sorts of publications in ukraine, but they also turned to serious people in the administration and said. you need opportunities somehow appease this person. i represent. you know what kind of pressure they had to exert on andronicus now. yesterday, we met repeatedly with the word speech, you know, i feel a lot of seven poets, not only that, i had a lot of disagreement on

some fundamental things about him, when he wrote in order and so on, but that's another topic. now i want to be more specific. i respect him very much. he is a very person to us, but , for example, i would refrain in his place, in general, what would i write and express now that he did it. i think this is a big mistake. why do i think so? in dmitry i heard him several times, too, yesterday morning i listened in english. well, fox was played by others, the americans are spinning there, or in fact , i understand you, you have been working for so many years, he is for you. well, of course, he did a lot of this such a name for the center, indeed, he is an outstanding person, there and so on. and you wanted to see what you wanted to see, but in fact, he said, i was against

ukraine's entry into nato, and then he, in basically, he says that i don't mind now. i think that he is already yes, or you can say, he is a de-factor on that one and will be in natu. and that would be fine, and i will say. why he did it is not good, but i can not say. plato is a friend, but truth is dearer. i think you, in fact, almost. they said it, but i will say more relief, but also tougher. surely he will not live, and he thinks about himself and about his legacy, he cannot but appreciate, a smart person. you said yourself that his head works great. he understands everything. he is not may not understand that if he does

not say this now, then all the liberal press are all liberal politicians. just crush him. if he repeats what he said. that's why in the fourteenth year. that's why i think that he didn't have to say anything at all, but he couldn't have said it so articulately and clearly, because you and i know very well his executive director. uh, our tom grand, so every year i learned that from tom graham that there are already agreements with the kremlin and the brush comes to moscow to meet with putin, he, apparently, honest man. he came many times in his life and met not only, i must say, in some narrow circles. i myself was a witness and a participant. when vladimir vladimirovich

spoke in this form, he, when some jewish question was raised, and so on. he says, you know, i have acquaintances, a very wise senior jew, who gives me many wise, advice, explanations, so i do n’t fool my head here, it was, of course, about jelly and therefore it was embarrassing for the kissingers to go over something like that those, well, these meetings. this is a common story. he is not a random person. this is not a plumber power. this is a man who has his own reputation, but, unfortunately, what he said was very certain. e you my friend are dearer to the truth here, and using your right to lead. i said one simple thing.

i hope even the vendor will not dispute the fact that in the past kisting was a state secret of the united states, they were the minister of foreign affairs of russia, he never positioned himself as a friend of russia ever. this is true. this is what he always was atlantist. he has always emphasized his commitment to nato, he is a man of a certain generation and a certain outlook. if a russian politician said this, it would be strange from my point of view, and when a former us secretary of state says this, especially in the current atmosphere. i can tell you with all responsibility, what is from my point of view? this is a constructive contribution to the western debate in russia because istinger. uh, he admitted the possibility of ukraine's membership in nato, but in general, in some kind of only distant perspective and emphasized. no, not even on

membership, but on some form of possible association. it wasn't at all. the call to accept ukraine into nato was a big game. goodbye, see you tomorrow thursday. on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the breaking of the siege of leningrad, a german agent is working on the highway, can you help me find him? who's poking around here

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