the organization of work, if the pace continues, then a physical launch will become possible as early as 2026. it is noted that research on the basis of the generator being created will allow the construction of fourth-generation industrial reactors and the development of two-component nuclear power. floods did not begin in europe with abundant rainfall, for example in the spanish lada as a result of certain rains from the banks. rivers came out roads of the coastal city flooded in places real waterfalls appeared schools and colleges suspended classes also rivers spilled in autumn and herzegovina in the city of konichi. to fight water on the roads. special equipment was urgently sent, which drove a wave from more to less flooded places, and all the floods in neighboring serbia flooded the public institution of the school and the houses of the inhabitants on the lake had to be evacuated. it is reported that in the coming days there will be even more rain. relevant for tonight, the warning to muscovites came from the complex of municipal services. specialists are paying

attention to freezing rain, which can to significantly complicate the movement along the streets of the capital, there may have been ice, and before lunch a strong wind is forecasted in gusts of up to 17 m/s. mary is advised to stay away from the structures, which could collapse to give chase. today, one of the most important church holidays, the baptism of the lord, is also the epiphany all-night vigil in the cathedral of the theophany. in moscow, the patriarch of moscow of all russia kirill performed after the services. in temples, water is illuminated as well as in reservoirs where they come to plunge, believers bought, equipped in many cities of our countries, traditionally, epiphany bathing began in the far east. those who have already managed to plunge into the icy water note that this ritual heals from ailments, cleanses the soul and strengthens the will. felt the holiday feeling of collectivism after how many people here support? uh, our faith is a struggle with oneself, first of all, it is

necessary to fight against laziness. across the country for the faithful equipment more than 3.000. about 300 tributes from them in the mosty region. this is where the police doctors live. rescuers those who did not dive into the water the day before can have time do it today. everything, see you. i love these turquoise royal ones of yours. this is from those times, yes, they put me on turquoise there. it's a big one without turquoise, i don't remember. that's never and it somehow suits you. uh, well, stuck, because you want to, but it turned out to be in my cell, although it’s not mine at all, you understand, but turquoise has become some kind of

talisman and the color is absolutely amazing, so i really like it. oh, i'll introduce you, and my guest is katya rozhdestvenskaya, the daughter of the brilliant soviet poet robert rozhdestvensky well, who doesn't knows, suddenly you speak somehow beautifully, brilliant so i think that it’s absolutely brilliant yes, absolutely brilliant, and i also know, uh, all the time i think about what, and you should generally become a sister with ksyusha, the subject of study by psychologists from all over the world no, it is with psychologists, because now what is the main theme of parental volumes, and families without dad. mom's dislike, this enmity, hatred, and so on. i always looked at you, but i knew each other. e with mom, the kingdom of heaven with fat. that's how it is when they're just mommy's complete family and dad for me. this is binom newton, i can’t even

imagine. how is it that when mom and dad parents love children, children absolutely adore their parents and not only bow down, but it’s just love to the point of spasms and at the same time parents who love each other madly from the first day they met and to the grave . is that how it is, how to live in such an atmosphere? kat i can't imagine. well, probably, this is some kind of anomaly, i have not seen and never met so many residences. this is true, it seems to me, yes, it seems i don't i saw, all the more here are such relationships, like mom and dad, tell me, did you always understand. that's what you always knew. that you are a happy girl, or because she did not know another life. and yes, with uh, not only that, star guests house a full bowl, but beautiful things. dad brings. e from business trips to you some

beautiful sister. mom loves grandma. and here it always smells delicious at home and there is no need to stand in lines there for bananas. here it is, how is it possible to live like this? well, how could you, but i hated everyone. i in general, she hated people when she was little, because they took away the time of communication with her parents. i adored my parents so much that, uh, every visit of some kind of non-voznesensky stew hmm to obzon. magomaeva turned anyone into a wild animal and licked me under the table, many people remembered me under the table. here is a teenager there, 10-11 years old. and at school you were not slandered, well, you see, how cool, how happy. you look, because all the children of divorced marina are just a trifle to change marina u teacher for what i i wore stocking boots there, do you remember

there were some things i had there they were forbidden to wear them. and so uh, well, for some reason they forced me to have an a in literature. well, of course, you remember, uh, and all the wishes of all the elements addressed to you from dad. and in general, everything, because you do it, because your legacy, which you treat with such trepidation, as you carefully and popularize, and i know what kind of birthdays you arrange for dad. well, in general cool but congratulations on the twentieth anniversary, if you will, of course. today we will not frown, our katyuha has become over 20 years old. my daughter and i are suffering and want to continue to suffer, i will show you how it looked, in kind. i took this sheet. i think that such things that are handmade are much more important. this is what he is. it's like you don't cry. i don't understand, i've never had anything like this in my life. you know me, all the tears are inside, they don't

go all inside. i don't let them out, otherwise i would have been all the time, when, well, i read letters of correspondence, here are scarlet roberts , i want to cry all the time. well, there is, from what us actually, i just, probably, some kind of vaccination has already been formed, and since i am in this layout for me, this is not surprising. so it was supposed to, where do you know, on the day of the 20th anniversary of the birthday, when ksyusha was born 12 12 years old. i know that when alla became pregnant, she came to her room with a question. eh, requests for advice to give birth to yourself to take to your sister or not to give birth? and you said leave. i said a very adult phrase. let's leave it, but at the same time i also asked to think a little, probably for kind, but i wanted so much, in my opinion, it was a very adult was a lot. where do you get kids from ? and what is pregnancy anyway? how pregnancy should have known and i was very well versed in the sexual issue, because

uh hmm my dad was a doctor and i grazed with her in the medical library, i knew everything, thoroughly fascinated me. these atlases, and then, probably, guests came, and, well, such a creative elite, uh, which they don’t choose very much and not very selectively, right? communicating with each other is not filtered, as they say today from the text, and you, of course, warmed your ears under the table and everywhere you understood everything, who was with whom? who why who why who cheats on whom no lar not even bones, but another grandmother of my mother's line, who is a lilit. she was with me in front of the dancer, so that's all. here are all these abortions, all these novels. well, that's it, it was always said at the table with their girlfriends, who came to us for 100 years or not, there, no, i thought that this education was absolutely right, i recognized this not by the

fence of girls and boys, who also somewhere heard it, and firsthand and lidka could give advice. and in general, it was just such a chic university. god bless every child. ah, it was like that. that was the time of freedom in the sixties, uh, which, like now, we, too, well, in the nineties zero did not know what to do with this freedom in the sausages or on television, and in the theater and everywhere did not know what to do with it. that's when this thaw years were all produced with their wives and husbands, everyone had five romanovs and where to draw some inspiration? yes, if they are in someone else's bed, e not with a new love and so on. tell me how your parents are, but mom served dad, of course, but dad, where did he draw inspiration from. how can you from one wife never change, and don’t look the other

way, what he ate, if a musician, i don’t know there a composer, a poet, an actor will not torment his e, soul this dual life, so that no one will know, i love there. where to draw? where to get some food from dad, due to what yours, due to alla alone, she is so she enveloped him and gave him so much that he did not need anything when there is a lot of beginning. but i just think he was monogamous. here is a very rare copy. e in human life. he had a first wife, after whom he lived for a couple of months. it was the grandmother who introduced some front-line friends to her daughter, but he realized that this was absolutely not what he was looking for and went to the casting institute, where he entered somewhere. e did not enter. yes, because it seemed like not very talented, so i went to petrozavodsk where i studied for one year at historical and returned and just happened to be at the

same time and in the same place where in a smoking room somewhere on the stairs kireeva smoked in her cigarettes. well, everything, all the destinies have grown together like childhood, it seems that they experienced the same ones. and the same emotions suffered because of the divorce of their parents. i even have. so tell me, how is it? well, everything, very, very much. yes, it seemed that alyonushka really called her from the first second of their acquaintance, but she was sister alyonushka and brother ivanushka at first there were different names, but always diminutively endearing. dear, dear alyonushka, for the first time in 40 years i am sending you a letter from the second floor of our dacha to the first floor, which means that such a time has come. for a long time i thought to give a little to this, i still do not believe our common anniversary, and then i saw a three-volume book standing on the shelf. and i even

laughed with joy and gratitude to you for the whole morning making bookmarks to those verses that already in the fifty-first year, one way or another, have a relationship with you, there are so many of them that it’s even terrible joyfully, so i made another common big bookmark. in at the end of the third volume, you are the author of almost everything that i have written, but here is the newest 40 long and instant years. you are my destiny, my eternal light is in your soul an eternity of height in the world and i exist. you , so without you knowing, for sure, i would not have lived these forty. i kiss your be, but it's impossible. this is impossible. this is impossible. it's just not a point, you know, in a relationship it's an ellipsis an exclamation mark - that

's all that a asking mark is - it's anything. he was already over and quite rare went down. and here it is on the day of the circus of their wedding. he wrote. here is this letter, which is incredible, which even if my mother received, in a year it would be. just as amazing as 40 years after their life together. it's such a holiday. this is such a firework of feelings relationships, that's why i say that they are, uh, amazing, in this respect, such a mystical story, which is incredible to believe. well, i mean, i know it's not a writer. and why are you so straight, like a sleeper, what is this and you say. you don't love too much either. these are all underwater. and alla went to him at the cemetery, smoked and talked to him. all the time and now some time passes, and she walks a telegram. e somehow miraculously sent by robert to his wife and

lost in the papers. and here is the text. you remember well, everything is fine. don't worry. i love to be you. well, i really found every day in any weather i came to this old cemetery in peredelkino and smoked cigarettes. went back. i think she's gone crazy because it was so stubborn. this was a necessary movement for her, both physically and mentally, and my sister and i were very worried that something like that was happening there, then in one day everything seemed to be taken away by hand. she told you everything, and on the one hand, i am an unusually happy woman, because i lived in love, and on the other hand, i am unhappy, because robert is gone, and i cannot be with anyone. i can't look in the wrong direction. no, she was not looking in that direction to look, but she is still. why didn't she have to search? here's what

was with his father those relationships and those feelings there was no life without him yes, absolutely nothing . and now, when robert is not on earth , i anchor myself for the fact that we spoke so little, but after all, we understood each other and it was wonderful to be silent with him without words. i do not want to say that we were saints, small temptations happened in life. we were still alive. i was blind, i didn’t see that robert needed me with all the problems and complexes with you, and only me, but it seemed to me that around every corner robert’s rival was not only anyone, but also very faithful man knight every day. i heard. alka i love you. and it's hmm, i can't say that it surprised me. it was a daily routine. i remember myself as a little girl, when i looked up at these two giants at my parents, who are embracing, or, uh, my father couldn’t get past my mother at all, they touched her, they didn’t

kiss, they didn’t whisper something in her ear. and then i was surprised, i did not hear. they were very high under the ceiling that he whispers and then, when they raised me in their arms, and we the three of us stood embracing like that, and i heard that he says those words that need to be said, only she is absolutely ordinary, but so necessary for every woman, probably, my alyonushka, my dear, beloved, said there. and of course, his eyes were wet, goosebumps were going down his skin and she said that she was jealous of robert and that she was a beauty, but a little overweight is disposed to be overweight, and you know she competed with these girls who are who are fidgety at that time, therefore, thin and light to uh did not torment. no, she's inside. she

she suffered herself, probably, but it was not so obvious; it was all the time with some kind of joke under the text from the custom. at the same time, robert, on the contrary, was embarrassed by his popularity. and well, now there is a hood and thank god there used to be cap collars. that is, it was closed. no, he's crazy, he was tall. am i walking all the time? somehow stooping due to the fact that here he stood out among the crowd. but when they flew in from somewhere from the border. i always and everything to have him recognized his height. and that was a big plus. katya tell me how you were as a child at all. well, now your dad is not going, because, well, all the parents of odnoklassniki get up in the morning and go to work there. and your dad closed himself in the room and sat until once at the stadium. here, tell this story. really, do you understand? sometimes you want to remember something in life and nothing happens. and there are some things that fall somewhere in some close drawer and

crawl out. you open it and it's in plain sight all the time, really. i think that he is not going, because according to the stories of schoolchildren, their parents left and worked came in the evening. and well, somehow it was all with the elite, and mine got up. grandmother made him an omelette or porridge and went to his own office, locked it with a lock, and there the typewriter began to knock. ah, and it really seemed to me that i was unlucky, because it’s not a poison, and then there was a struggle with parasites. and it was somehow doubly embarrassing and it was very unpleasant to talk about it at school. but he was already extremely popular then. it was a surprise, they did not sound on the radio and no longer exist. no, there were no songs yet, no history at the stadium. and i was already more understanding. i was probably 9 or 10 years old

- this is the end of the sixties, when the poets occupied the stadiums, when people came to listen to them in the stadiums. it was, of course, an amazing thing, mass hysteria, you can imagine the degree of spirituality, e people. yes, they were going to, well, in the center they read their elements on this one, uh, and i know the crowds or by heart. specially by hand copied, because it was impossible to get. and yes, there are no volumes with verses, the girls made notebooks in which they wrote down verses. i don't even say about polytechnic a about luzhniki and luzhniki - this is 14,000 people, and all 14,000 people. and so you gathered we gathered. yes, the first time my mother put me in the stands, and not in an apartment. here is this nizhny a there to the stands, but, because that's how we always sat

backstage between there, well, how dad will speak. we could immediately leave the service entrance. uh, it was possible to immediately leave by car all these convenient things. and now i don’t know, i don’t remember, dad reads the elements, forgets the line, but reads it. eh, and there is no large screens and it is not clear what is happening, and he suddenly stammers, and i was so embarrassed for the first second, but then even through me. this buzz of hints and all 14,000 people suggested this line. i began to turn around and looked, no one had a book, they knew everything by heart. for me, it was such a shock, some kind of happiness, and i realized that it was not accidental. actually, he sits there locked himself up. this is how it often happens, but it happens until the passion passes from the parents. uh, well, listen, many couples converge on passions and out of love give birth to children in love and they are

so absorbed with each other that they are not up to children and children who grow up later yes , turning into adults, too, complexes that they then carry through their whole lives not a lack of parental love, that is, each other adults. yes, but not for children. and how in general, where did dad scoop? where is it from? and in this we will return to his childhood and to wartime . where did he have such a powerful supply of love? ava had enough for you ksyusha for your grandmothers, whom he also adored on guests to friends. where from where from where i don't know where from? well, i can’t say such a type of person, there probably isn’t such a type of person . no. i didn’t meet such a person, probably surprisingly unique and gifted to the gods, it is now absolutely, understandable

and they say that great things are seen at a distance, but here the distance was not needed, neither time nor distance. if the prince will marry you, you must definitely marry urgently. finally have fun from there until 12.

say robert's parents divorced like yes how old was the boy they were not divorced, in fact, father and mother went to the front, and father died right at the end of the war and when his father turned. he wandered all the time around orphanages, because his grandmother also died, who raised her, and her grandmother, and her mother was a military doctor at the front. and therefore actually. he was under the supervision of the state and at the age of 14 he received a letter from his mother, what is

a robot? now you're not u robert stanislavovich what was his father's name yesterday's robert? and he has no one. as a matter of fact, it was with this to go cry, because the age is so nasty hormonal, when it is not clear where to put yourself, it is not clear what to think about. and here , yesterday, you are one person. today it is a different person with the guys. especially you won’t communicate, because they don’t have parents at all, so the fact that he became e christmas. nobody was interested in this, the boy who was brought up by the state. yes, he is wounded, yes, and he has such an inner delicate connection. i will find the letter where he writes to his mother. how can he address his father to a new husband, where there is no resentment. and there is none. well, i don't know anger

complaints. yes, just questions, as in general, of course. this innate cannot be acquired by a boy in whom there is so much love. i'm talking about little robert, not even a sprout yet so much tenderness, there is almost no so much respect, reverence in general for a woman. but how does he write to the front? hello dear, mommy got it. i have letters for which many thanks. i sent you a letter yesterday, today i'm sending you more mommy, to tell you the truth, i was struck by this thing. at first i burst into tears, i don’t know why the guys who were next to me thought that someone was killed for them still remains a mystery. well, mom , i'm not a lawyer, but i walk all day today, like i'm crazy anyway. i haven't had time to think things through yet. let my mother, if it doesn't make it difficult, my new father. let him send at least a photograph, otherwise i don’t know it in his face, i don’t even know what to write to you for the

parcel and money to you, mommy and big to him. thank you mommy kisses you tightly and i wish you all the best. your son rob answer me a question. how to call him in a letter? that 's why i didn't write it. she says kiss and that's just not possible, poor boy. you see, you just feel, i just feel. throwing was and now, how much this tenderness of trembling is in him and not a single claim to my mother, but only with reading mommy i did not turn, because he understood that this cosmos of distance is very maybe, because she can read. uh-huh no, well, there was such a core inside , it’s like that there is absolutely no world today and it’s so out of date. now it sounds. no. yes, but he was already living his beautiful new life like this. no, worked a lot. they traveled, they were there and in austria , when they settled down in karelia, he

probably arrived there already, probably, when he had already sat down, in general, that is, he is still a wounded man, he doesn’t care, of course, so those, probably, experiences go dreams , these dreams. i want with my mother with my mother. this is what he probably carried through his whole life. there were no warnings, of course. because he's already special. this is today's children is work, then you never fail. united time. no, years have passed, years have passed, this is the whole war passed. and after the war they, in my opinion, met in some seventh 40 or something? mom didn't pick it up right away. no, tell me, but he took her when she got old, and she was not a widow a second time. he is her or rather her stepfather from e, with a divorce. uh, i bought alterations to a dacha, and from where they came from, in my opinion, from dnepropetrovsk they had a house in dnepropetrovsk and transportation. so, then i bought an apartment in moscow and

your mother never said both. well, something like that, they are not very uh, how many letters do i have left? so they didn’t nurture you very much was born, a younger brother and everything was attention to him. and you, in general, were on your own and now you are so much for i remember how they suffered, grandmother and mother, how they suffered, because grandma didn’t want to be there, she was very against it. eh, sala’s wedding, she was very against it, and she saw me when i was only two years old and dad wrote letters to her very tearful plaintive tearing souls that such a girl is funny so she’s already there again, i got up already went already there something it heals. well, why don't you come? why are you busy with your life immediately took, uh, boy? yes, when you returned to the fruit, you were yours, so to speak,

lovingly. family affairs were not the way a new child was born. by the way, this is the story that robert did not immediately find, but the grave of his father. he did not know where he was buried. he did not know them, but it turned out that the grave was there at all, but 10 km away. well, just walking around it was a very strange, uh, story. i flew first. lives in altai where he was born in the village of kosikha, and relatives came there. e pitkevich. and then one of them told me that knowing that i uh, and that dad was looking for his father's grave. and what? i was also looking for them. they wrote letters everywhere, but no one could say anything, they said that it was bombed somewhere in riga, and the train, educational echelon , and there was the preservation of brotherly magic, and i

decided to go, we were resting at that time in jurmala and near riga. but it turned out that this is in general, this is the place where this grave supposedly was. and it’s not yet a fact, was petkevich there or not? i went there and it's quite a large settlement. i wonder how i'll ever be here some kind of aunt is coming to look for an attitude towards us that is not very friendly. i asked right at the entrance to this village. and where is the fraternal magic here. she says, well, here are three steps, that is, go behind the house. and you look, i went there and there are many, many stones, on which there are probably 30 small letters of stones. it's in beautiful trees like that. and i think now i'll look for it all, i don't know how long it will take. i am the first bushes, opened the written drinks, the first one you know i have right i have so far

frost the boy has not had time to fight yet. that it was five minutes from jurmala where we were for 15 years, we rested there, in the summer of 15 years, which is all the same yes, yes, but when robert escorted her father to the front, she whispered in his ear, don’t come back without the order. yes, yes, yes, he didn't come back. on the contrary, everything happened. god, what an incredible fate . what didn't mom like? why don't i think there was a jewish question, which very, uh, excited my communist grandmother at one time, and she believed that this was an unprofitable alliance that romochka deserved? well something more than this, uh, wonderful, that's why the snail my grandmother suffered all the time and made some gifts. i bought something for her all the time, and this one, well, the humiliation has been for many years. and now, i have

this feeling left such, well, not needed, not in demand, but then she, probably, was wildly proud that he was like her, of course, she collected clippings. she kept filing letters. she is now married to the wrong one, of course not, but it was then clear everything and sit on but this is the period. five-year-old uh, that's getting married before how she took it, and even then not to the end, i would bite the bit, i'm after you a little. never said anything. she was very smart and understood that she lives with a genius with a genius, in the first place, and he has a mother. she understood that she was living with a genius. i think yes, of course, and she was a help to them because. she was also a professional literary critic. and then everything worked out. and when he came out to read poetry to us, you know, in a cloud of smoke, because

he smoked a lot too. yes, they mixed up, who is who more, in my opinion, such the feeling was. that's what the girls said. come and read some poetry. we all sat down , he read, my mother's eyebrows flew up, because with such a speaker was her sign, she snored immediately. and when we already listened to ours, they went to the office, and there she already, in front of everyone, she never made any remarks. they have already started working there. that is, sometimes you didn’t have to say anything, sometimes she didn’t like some word, so it was always out of our ears, say, but the star guests came, all these, too, young pretty fidgety poetesses. mom welcomed everyone the same or she arranged it. no, roberta did not say that this akhmadulina was no longer in the house. i don't know, it didn't bother me much. they yelled all the time , screamed, drank, smoked, stomped - this is the case

when i went out at night. all the shit went down on this experience, because i had to sleep, of course, here it’s all a party. it's uh, they heard me, you're gone, shit. i mean, i still haven't. well, until recently , i was reminded of this shit here. e is not shitty plural. so i have not heard that someone from the composition of the guests was expelled there. eh, other than eh? the one who knocked, it was very common in the sixties and the rumor about it was that one of the guests was knocking. it spread very quickly and immediately this person. uh, removed from the composition. it was first. it was dangerous. secondly, it was to pass, but the pope and the authorities loved and recognized

and revered it very much, and the people loved it very much and recognized it, revered it. well, it's a rarity. after all , very few people know that he was in disgrace. and what he was in exile for 3 years. after all, almost no one knows about this, tell me, but after these boys, after khrushchev, they stopped publishing him, he was generally forbidden to publish his poems, and, uh, he went to kyrgyzstan where he lived for 3 years and became an asset there. it was already with my mother to translate soviet poets into e. it was with mom. it was the sixty-second sixty-fourth year. and if you open up any, uh, reference book, it's written on the internet by robert christmas 's first word translator. at first i was indignant, then i decided that yes, probably, he spent so many years and so much time

translating all these people, then he returned, then they accepted him again, but 3 years were thrown out of life. he wrote poetry, of course. mostly. he earned, they gave him a fixed-term loan, and he translated the poems of all these comrades. so do not caressed by the authorities. it’s for sure katya, that you didn’t think our viewer that this is such love, in general this is popularization, and robert is for today’s generation. yes, do something. these birthday nights you read you burn discs stone and so on, and your sister is not involved, uh, she has a lot of things to do, because she does not want to be public, but i have a letter, though her already. uh, well, to the father who left. we haven't seen each other. for 8 years now, your old letters have turned yellow, and your sweaters, which you found, no longer smell like you. your voice remained only on the tape screaming and whispering from the last century. your

poetic ladder. in today's poetry, it rises as a proud almost destroyed monument of architecture, on which no one walks, at best, listen to the guide, look at the scale, take into account complex ambiguous time. this ladder leads to heaven. we haven't seen each other for eight years. when you left, you said happy to you, my girls. i don't know how you can be happy without you today, your poems are no longer perceived. like their time, rather from the very time, it seems only from the sound, the poems to their headlines or the last line, but i collected this book not in order to convey the spirit of the times and not in order to remember you again. i always remember you and not in order to tell someone that there lived such a poet wrote poetry when he was young, and then ceased to be young, and then died, but the poems remained. i just hope you like it. or at least one more

thing will be interesting, because i almost never talked about you. but you do know that, don't you? i love you. far away you are so happy. no, that's how you are, it seems to me filled with overflowing with this love. here i understand, here. hey, why do you have such a temper? why are you so loving? why are you like this today, yes, empathy, very fashionable. definition, for some reason you take it that way . why are you giving so much? why are you always around, but these huge companies that you are also, like your parents? feeding boresh collects all these christmas meetings. well, you have something to share. well, probably, you know, i lived in such love that i need to give. i owe them so much, as i wrote, dad, the more you give, the more i owe them very much and i am happy, because i managed to

confess my love to them. i love you very much katya because i will remember all this good that you did to me. and this is your soul. yes, because i want to sit in the kitchen with you, cry and talk. i remember how we sala i was already pregnant and smoked, and at the elevator. and you drove us. yes, yes, you said to yours, you and i went pregnant at the same time. for the sake of dressed girl. you didn't smoke, i was bad. so, we will definitely see you again. thanks for the memory. you can see from our disposition that we are

absolutely together with you starting our nightly conversation. with an incredible guest, firstly, lena kiper and i are again an incredible producer with roman karmanov, an incredible media manager and ceo of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives, of course, our guest today is composer, producer, talented person and people's artist of the russian federation igor igorevich matvienko igorievich. good night. hello long-awaited, probably long-awaited award. actually. i didn't expect it at all, maybe it happens. yes, and when you don’t expect it, here it is for you , uh, it turns out that you want it, you don’t wait for me that time and already the people’s artist didn’t wait

kai was waiting for the difference, well, folks already on well. that is, as it were, well. back, well, probably, yes, that is, when i still wanted to do this. glory is often calmly beautiful for me to be 60+ already so philosophical about all the processes of igorievich, but along with receiving the title of people's artist. you also flew a little bit into the meme trends there. with a glass, so you have a new reality. here, in which you can become famous not only for talent, good question. i didn't think, but when, in the first place, it happened completely by accident natively. uh, what our people love very much, how do they do there was the internet. uh, it was. i

was sitting on the edge. uh, they handed out champagne to everyone. uh, and a, so to speak, vladimir vladimirovich approached and everyone retreated. and i had to go somewhere far behind him and i. well, i think, well, i got up. here, well, from behind , and suddenly one says to hold out a glass and so he saw me, and he says so. i understand that this is good. i had a piece of paper with a layout. i reeled it up, which means resourcefulness. yes, i say, i'm sorry, it wasn't enough, and that's when it started. here, as if fun, play. there was show business there was a stage, and here at some point we are all surprised to find that there is stage and media and show business and architecture and fashion, and that there is nothing there. everything turned out to be a creative industry. uh-huh, but in the end. and what has essentially changed, because when you say,

the creative industry and says, well, some creative industry came up with another nonsense, but in fact, something has changed. from the moment when it was all show business, as just an industry in itself, and when it all merged into one here is the inscription creative industry. and in general, how much can the concept of show business culture be divided into creative. faster than creativity, they are now joint. what do you think a lot of questions. i understand, so i'll draw a parallel. all my life i have been, right from childhood, musical in everything already. you see, this anglicism went to the producer as a music director. then i became the artistic director of the via, then the groups began to appear there already, well, anyway, the musical director of the group or the artistic director of the group, and then someone heard from there. that's the word producer. nobody

understood what it was. hey, i have a document. that's where i designed my paper. the first production center, and no one even knew how it is written in russian and it was written as a production center with two s's. and this was some 80 some year. that is, the essence of you has not changed, i remained a musical artistic director, but now at some point i began to be called a producer, now we are moving on to the creative industries, of course, the essence has not changed. anyway, that's all. we are all part of the universe here. culture. it was i who just quoted this shaganovo, from the song of the same name by the ivanushki international yes group. the great center group was created in the eightieth year. yes, i think that it was, maybe even the very first very production center, because i don’t even know why i created it. well, they listened to

us. here are some there, some of these same labels, some words, and we didn’t understand what it was, but uh, well, here, it was practically the center, respectively, the first group was already recorded there by lyube well, well the first production center appears, young producer igor matvienko was not yet igorevich at that time. and igor matvey, uh, looks around and should probably find some traces of something else. well, besides the fact that there is some kind of pro-dering center now, how is it customary for the industry to say what it was? if there were no labels, well, the recording studio, the artistic director of the group, which was empty at that time, and then igor igorevich , uh, created everything else, or how do i like it ? show business worked to the fullest all show business used

there, so you start from the sixties, but more than the seventies, these are all vera, these are all the people there, i don’t know, plotkin weakkin. uh, stas namin uh, also now beloved by everyone, vladimir vladimirovich kiselev, that's all . there were figures, uh, that the production corps of the soviet union yes, absolutely. that is, it was those producers in this and the musical sense, that is, there were producers, such as conditionally slobodkin. e, he himself is a musician, and a classical one, that is, he perfectly understood, er, in arrangements, there and etc. all of them are uh, like them, and we are now switching our toggle switch from creativity. here she is to this communication. uh, radio stations. they knew it all. that is, they promoted their product in the form of these vera and it was absolutely show business. well, just on the word

there, uh, the eighties-nineties are all uh, it broke down and went a little differently. and how old were these great people then, they were people in the dawn, so to speak, or or there was a young producer. igor matvienko and say already. comrades, i was all there then. i then he was a simple musician with a salary of 7 rubles. for a concert, as it were, what i say, i did not even dream, then they called me. at least i would be the musical director of the krasnodar philharmonic. faith hello. song, but my salary was seven seven rubles 50 kopecks. for a concert, however, a concert per month was 30-40. i wanted to ask, side income. well , no, it wasn’t, then, okay, everything was official, and everything was official, everything was official, usually the income of all the guys. here, for example, the base and popov well, how on which, uh, they packaged musical instruments beautifully. they had

supply channels. these guitars of amps, there and so on, but this is already an industry, as if and so on the fartsovs were called, it’s a wonderful word that some people rewound it. even. if, for example, many rewind, of course, yes , to determine, uh, maybe without a borrowed word. producer in general role here, uh, she was, that is, as you say now, she was and remains. it's just that it's much easier now, but not everyone understands what is behind this and what is behind it. there is a lot of work and why are the producers the author igor matvienko received such an award , he no longer expects such an award, but i'm sure that twenty-year-olds who dream of going somewhere , so we start dreaming about some kind of regalia earlier, about some results, they don't know what is behind it and what kind of work has been behind it all the years. it's such a rhetorical question that i'm discussing two absolutely live

producers in the studio. uh, so, uh, what is the producer doing now asked. well, let's say there's a difference, uh, between a producer. uh, sample there, well, let's say 1992 and 2023. i think the difference is only in the instruments, that is, the creative part has remained exactly the same. the producer must be the conductor of the orchestra, the music producer. that is, he should, if you are a studio, uh, conditional person, such as bakhti . i consider genius absolutely. uh, a music producer who's straight. well, the poet himself still managed to sing a rare combination; he managed to make a series of azerbaijani stars there in a direct line for 3 years. well here with hookah rap, but nevertheless, that's all ma your johnny there and so on not only for azerbaijan yes, and for the whole of russia for the cis was

some year there a year or two ago. i looked at half of the artists. uh, those that bakhti produced. that is, he understands music. in general, we made a difference between a producer, and then, uh, clarified a music producer. this is because because there is. uh, like at the time conditional one spitz. i mean, he did n't understand anything about music, but uh, he had other talents. and now it is very similar, for example, uh hmm for sure. a talented person is yosya prigogine. here. he's not a music producer but here is his engine, which he can take, uh, the product and move, that is, and here is the spitz. uh, working day spitz. the kingdom of heaven began, for example, at eight in the morning. uh, 8:00 am. he took phones. i don't remember which model. and he began to call the editors on the radio there, this is a penetrating force. yes, i can't do that. how do you

do it? here, i don't know, even never they, like i don't. i'm all the time i have all the time the approach. if you've done something, well, it's still uh, a magnificent persuasion will break through. here it works, because it is launch works ivanushki has been working for 30 years. well, it means it works, it means, well, there are different approaches, you can do this, you can do this, well, but nevertheless. uh, a producer should be able to do everything, it's a very difficult profession. i am amazed all the time. now in every node, in general, even in the economic one, there is a producer's department. i don't understand how this can be taught. well, how is it? producing at the gnesinska you deserve it give me what i now

remembered, i was very young titanic where ivanushki came for the first time with you and i interviewed you very cool. i was just starting, but i studied falsinology, and there will be amazing music from the program now, guys, right? yes, yes, yes, yes, and now years have passed, years have not met, yes, indeed, there is a whole retrospective. and these are the secrets that you are now telling us. yes, here are the details that are behind the fact that the penetrating power. and what do you think the next one is, because maybe we are on the same in the same space and we are all, but everyone has their own skills. for example, one of the guests is tsepkin. well , yes, he had such projections, he perceives it quite difficult. here he is just 60+ for him, while there is still such a time of uncertainty and

fear, and now i want to understand what other beliefs. uh, internal created such a producer by igor. it's so interesting to say that you draw some kind of picture right, uh, and i listen to it, i listen, i forget. uh, you only need something, you just need to say ha or not, yes, but in principle agreed to say so, really. i name the essence of the questions, because they state it very beautifully. what else besides penetration power? what else is a very important aspect of your own, what is your own conviction that you are further, but inspired and moved into the future, because you have to endlessly create and create in order to remain and be. well, praise yourself, in the end he said to create to create in order to stay and be this is the same refrain this is music and even less and the three of us will sing right we

will come to our program. everything's ok. so in general, obey, when everything has already happened. here we know ivanushki lyube and so on, but lyube is so, well, i'm so in general a soviet person. uh, so i remember that at that time another group was thundering, generally speaking, and it was called tender may, and how was it possible to cut tender may at all? this is interesting and generally speaking a question, for example, here's how, well, that is. uh, so, uh, everyone dances and sings under tender may under mirages. well, that's all, that was the industry. i'll say it's an industry. it was the second industry. that is, if all industry was an industry. there was an industry of the nineties affectionate may, uh zhenya belousov is a little conditionally the first stadiums that went there, uh, and then there was, well, this is our industry. yes, well, well, you marked our industry in it with

a completely different paint. yes, this is any. why all of a sudden, uh, any where did this insight come from and was it an insight? what are pitchings? e lubera, that means other things, this whole aesthetics in a cut, that means affectionate may. well, probably that's why, first of all, look never i didn’t think that such a thing should be done, so that, like, ah, never at all, that is, i always came from music. uh, well, i just had an experiment. i worked part-time there, there was no money i was ordered to do. e. uh, some kind of military march, i wrote these pipes and at some point, i was so funny, that is, i liked it, this is the sound, that is, i still have it. here, well , something like this. uh, slow-wind, uh, and practically the first such song, i made old man makhno absolutely based on, that is,

stylized here from that aesthetics. that is, there are pipes of some kind of choirs in the chorus in the style of the alexandrov choir well, yes, yes, but at the same time, there are such modern styles, and hmm, and it turned out, as they say now, a stupid word has gone. that is, you were like they write in books. i was quite surprised, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, i was amazed, but here is our superfluous director now. ah, andrey lukinov. yes. he was then in the industry, also very developed. here is a network of people who wrote cassette tapes. that is, they were such big labels at that time, that is it was his sound. uh, there was another union, but a few more, but they invested money, that is, here are the lukins of us. here is the first album. lube invested his money, which, of course, of course, we are completely inert musicians, who are you

there, well, that is, we are, and he is just so stubborn. he is there, so the studio tomorrow we go there and write there and that's it. there kolek lyubertsy i vykhino our danovsky. sorry it wasn't. there was no danovsky vykhino. and, well, in the neighborhood , too, by the way, in ryazanka, that is, we are all right in the area and we were driving here on the studio there is called electrozavodskaya. there, this club is so famous, there was, by the way, the premiere i am now. well, i remember well, that's what they wrote. this is the first album, he then felt that it could become lukins. i mean, dad waved, this is, well, one song, and then what happened you said, the exam igor igorevich said to himself a good song, so you need to write another second one like that. and how then we we all thought for albums we did not think. by the way, these are tracks.

that's how we think now, that is the concept album, because we are all listened to anglo-american music, uh, and everyone was. well, that is, if there is deep purple fucking, zaya damn it, i don’t conditionally know what kind of crimson is there, or is there a djent necessarily an album. it's definitely some kind of sound concept. that is, this is how the artist works, because yes, now one single is a single. now everything has changed. but maybe, on the contrary, it became more convenient. no need to write an album . you can release a single, well, i came up with one song and you don’t expect anything from the release of any album, you posted it on the platform. everything has become became easier to understand. better general producer in our lives. yes on the one hand, yes, but you can’t create a brand like that. opinion leaders op op op and went and khabibkov in space it was possible to earn as long as there were streaming

platforms. on one single. it could have been yes it could have been also it's already about the past a little it'll be. it's also retro. yes? well , okay. yes, why, because this is dramaturgy , a whole image is born that expands the space so much. yes, now the image is not needed by anyone. well no, he is needed when talented someone does not know the architect director there. conditionally tim honey this e v. uh-huh, i believe that the image of this girl is this new hero, who will now be imitated. these are clear that some gothic moments are used there. but these are absolutely the heroes of our day. that is, he created a certain trend. i am sure that now the youth will directly imitate all these dances that they danced there, in the second series at 36

minutes. i generally have a problem with memory after the accident, every morning. open your eyes around i have so much going on incomprehensibly, he does not know in what world he will wake up. you see the cross, it means, today i am with cyril and he has me for the fact that i no longer have a mother without a beloved wife without an only son in the morning, sveta is alive and will hate me for kirill, he will rush awakening the premiere of a serial film

soon on the first well, tell me , when will the next wave of hysteria of the world e, by turns the beatles or ivanushki international number two. here you have this feeling, here, based on the current situation, that in the twenty-third it will begin or in the twenty-fifth. here is a premonition or prerequisites. can you professionally see what wednesday is at last. now everything is condensing here or not. uh. let's have a general world trend. there are local trends. well, for example, in russia, if we are talking about general world trends, then these idols are nowhere, that is, they constantly just replace

each other not so often, that is, there was k-pop. well missed you friend, because i know how and i'm a big fan of this. eh, hmm korean yes, yes. listen to this. constantly here, so there was billy eilish, uh-huh uh, by the way , i went to the concert, which when i was in moscow, i broke through to the concert alone. uh, first of all, they didn't want to let me in. uh, somewhere views in general, yes, and then three more times they checked the ticket, because, well, in the hall, when the official was already standing by. well, there, well, of course there, well, teenagers and children. uh, sometimes parents, but i'm kind of without children and like, and what does a middle-aged man do there, that means a gray-haired man, and i'm a fan after the concert, i became even more of her fans. she is so simple that she sang something there, then, uh, she danced something, damn it, she

forgot the words, well, in english, well, how would it be so. that's sort of, yes, that is, a person who grew out of social networks. well , okay. a new generation of idols. and how can you immerse yourself in this state? you know how to switch there, how to enter the resource state of your target audience, which you are going to, for example, can you make a track or some kind of musical product? i understand you, so i'm not even trying do. uh, no product right now for the target audience. uh, first of all, i'm not interested. secondly, i will not be able to make a product for sixteen-year-olds, it will be immediately audible. e, when adult uncles and aunts , e, write. e, like youth songs, no , everything is there, everything, there are very clear words there. uh,

notions of hooks. eh, it's different there. it 's up to you, although i'm in the subject i'm absolutely in the subject, because i have, uh, a student academy i have young composers there, young producers who, well, that is, i'm in it cooking, but i'm not into the material, because well, i'm not and if you're not into the material, you shouldn't get in there, you should do what you can do, well, an artist who tunes in with this audience. will you feel yes? that is, of course, uh-huh. yes, yes, uh, roughly speaking, and i heard a hit. it 's at the level of chemistry. yes, i don't know, well, probably, and that it doesn't happen that you watch the hit parade. uh, songs that became popular in 2020, for example, the second year and you think what kind of hit is this at all, uh, how did it become a hit ? i will lecture on this topic. that is, we we

understand hits, uh, including uh, that is, why uh? well, that is, starting from the literary part? and why is there conditionally the sun of monaco and uh, or is there a bird there? uh, raspberry, yeah op op, yeah, yeah and when i heard the song, i just jumped right up. i think how in our time you can make a song that, even if it was made in the nineties, would go. and now khabib made a song that is absolutely on well, by the way, this is also here, that is, everything there is rap hip-hop there, well, that is, here are all the fashionable such american rappers, or there with these girls there with these burnt ones, or vice versa, such courtyards and here, damn it, nate you this raspberry and that's it, and that is, he went

past. trenda came in from the side and was ahead of everyone. and you, too. see this one, and this one, a whole galaxy of artists who exploit the nineties. well, uh, just copying. yes, yes, these are mods, and the mega popularity of ivanushki in 2022 is not amazing for you. this is the stadium i have more land than the battle with the band, which after existed for 30 years. and now we have a tour. that is, right now, there were two passes into the box. where it is very interesting, these all the fans gathered came from there, uh, in the hall during the concert there were three fights of girls 30+ , let's just say, well, i've never seen anything like this. okay when he's there at the time yes, but now uh, we're kind of a time loop right now, of course, yes, everyone knows that you took their passports away from them 30 years ago. only yes, if

back, i found out what his name is in its entirety. yes, yes, they ask him not to call him red again, just call him andrei genrikhovich. and here i already want to move on to the fact that you are doing events , festivals, looking for young talents. yes, and it 's not here anymore. igor igorevich who was headed by vera a. this is already a big producer. and igor igorevich igorevich, matvienko yes, with such letters it is every year and these are the guys who are looking for this recognition. this is exactly what we are talking about and want to, and to raise this topic are the regions that constantly u feel the lack of attention to them and the lack of their opportunities. yes, how to get there? how start working in those creative industries in which, it seems, only the

elite works, and now you are the organizer of such festivals , just a lot of just one author’s competition that you have, firstly, you have a school. yes, there is a big youth project. uh, associated with the backstage of the profession is. uh, this project is the authors, which is now, uh, i understand that he must find these new authors. uh, so songs we can't do during the day. no way to find with flashlights, yes, yes. well, here, of course, from us lena probably a joint question. what is all this for? the thing is, when i get into some kind of i don't know environment situation. i don't know any information. eh, since i'm not

a person, i don't have everything laid out on the shelves. that is, they called me, uh, they called me and said, i think, 2 years ago, vladimir vladimirovich there gave an order to make a song contest in russian, they contacted me, i thought there are a lot of competitions for singers and there is absolutely no competition for e for authors. in general , the song begins, of course, with the author, and so this idea came up. uh, means to make a contest for authors. well, if i knew what i would never face in my life, i would write a concept and give it away. here, uh, there was a hypothesis, probably what you should find. in the sense of the authors. well, let's say, e, we will hold this competition and reach one well. such that yes, this is happiness, has not yet been found. i'll tell you, honestly, they haven't found it yet, but it's difficult, because, well, another new competition. well, that

is, conditionally there are some. well, there, slava spent gauze there, he gathered there among the youth songs there received a certain amount, in my opinion, is still listening. eh, freaked out. and well, that is, the guys spend such local bones, it is constantly noted. here we go, we constantly appear, but yes, we have. well, we have a partner, we have vk, we have the first channel. we will have a big concert of the finalists on channel one to support us, but anyway, so that they go, for example, that is, for example, we wanted people like alexander to smell him and or maxim fadeev, that is, famous people. we must bear in mind whether they are directly real or directly real in order for this this prototype is not after. we do not open, in principle, talents. there, uh, well, we won't open it. the personalities of the author we just want to find a good song, as much

is hidden because of the word of the producer, so because of the title of the author, because this is not just a status. yes, because it is , uh, big job too. and we will just close the pain of many who fail to e, because e for a very long time. it was such a basic school when melodic dream brighting, this is when he composes a melody, and then everything turned into beat-making and nothing more, and it became as if the song was being written for one or two romanticism. not the most. the main thing is that we still know such names somehow derbenyov. we are party people. well, i don’t know, here is solovyov with food, that is, we know a wonderful, chic huge one. tell me, for example, last year's hit e, who wrote the birdie? eh, that was a real hit. number one, uh, nobody knows this person on the authors. so driven, in general, that

's somewhere. eh, they're not mentioned anywhere. that is somewhere later there you have to find a poke somewhere in the text, maybe even then the author will not have words about music at all. i mean, i was still offended. here, for these young, by the way, i am busy guys who do not have a material component, because lately, since these labels and everything have been developing. they bought all the songs from them, it was called with all the fucks. that is, all the rights of the key are connected in mind that they even changed the name of the author. yes, like a newspaper, you say, a scandal about it. yes, it's 100 dollars is over. many labels have done just that. yes, of course, wait. not not not not left, not always. well, not always not, it was possible and exactly. um, it feels like everything used to be possible to buy and the name was, but, but basically it was just bought the song the name remained, but they

no longer received five stupid word royalty, it will be conditional to write to you. i would have sold my song kon uh in the nineties in the ninetieth year there for i don’t know there 15,000 rubles. well, that's all there, the average price of a song there , i don't know, is 50,000 rubles. you now, well, uh, and they go, because, well, you need to live on something it, that is, they sell these songs. i get 250.000. for them next month they also need to write some song in order to earn 50,100.000 there again. time flies by, dear friends. uh, it's time to tie, i would like to, that's what the final is about, can i do it now? i, of course, the theme of one is not over. uh, because we are in russia on this global movement forward. we did not talk about russia, which wanted to talk about it now, until i read novel yes. that's because i thought, i thought for a very long time, when

will end. that was the film lovely with mashkov, in my opinion, yes, the upward movement, and i thought, when will the downward movement end on this common one in russia and, uh, and there all over the world. uh, general. here is the downward movement. here with this consumer attitude to life is what was sung around the world. and, of course, we have, uh, right there. here is this tolerance, well, in quotes of tolerance, he is this mother alone, well, they still continue to fall there even to the bottom no, well, that is, this and here we have something that happened. yes and now, uh, well, how wacky too are the words titanic shifts, but i think maybe, as far as russia is concerned, it's just a chance, here's some kind of chance. well, that's why

we fell together with everyone. down here, now, here, to gain a foothold at some level and try against the movement. here, uh, at least a little bit. well, because creativity cannot be with a minus sign and creativity. it has to solve completely different tasks, how, starting there, the vision of greece, that is, a person must empathize with transferring somewhere to himself and become cleaner and so come out really. by god, that is the task of creativity they fall together. uh, with the whole crowd i don’t know, there are rappers in pop songs, there and so on. here, down there, to the bottom, but this is a global task, and i say it again, now russia has such a chance that we can stop falling and, uh, create something like that. here, in order to get up a little bit, and i even got up in my chair

now, uh, there is such a good proverb, everything will be crushed, there will be flour. here i hope. i hope that at that very moment when everything is grinding, we are now, but thank god that there are people like igor igorevich matvienko who can say that there will definitely be a mill and flour and i would like it to be sooner igorievich. thank you very much for this late night interview. let spiritual bread. well, that is the spiritual mill, which we create for the creative industry. let him be, uh, feed and give food so that a person really always rises in order to yes, a person lead to a completely true version of himself, well, absolutely right and as soon as possible. dear friends, our nightly podcast has come to an end.

producer, composer, people's artist of the russian federation, igor igorevich matvienko, was with you today, thank you, goodbye and good night. guys, i'm very glad to see you, i'm glad that you all came and i wanted to introduce you to each other. uh, this is olga sergeeva actress theater actress. and now olya and i were working together on the film wench-baba hmm , a children's film, where i was the director, and olga was the performer. one of the main roles. i really liked the salt workin',

when i found out that we would discuss romantic russian fiction today. i realized that we need the opinion of a teenager. that's because i believe that teenagers are the main audience of literature. here is the so-called yang guessed. this is what is called now. yes, that is, not for children, but just like grown-up boys and girls. here is roma the theological writer e and a musician, by the way, roma also has a philosophical, let's say, approach to various phenomena. i really like the way roma talks, and that's why i wanted to roma told us something as a writer about writers, and, accordingly, as a philosopher, e.g., and a culturologist. perhaps, what about searchopism

as such? that is. can we even consider these authors escopists? today we will talk about alexander green alexander belyaev, i decided to combine them into one topic, because they have a lot of parallels in fate. and i think in literature. we have, uh, wonderful, but the work of green the scarlet sails, which is included in everything, so to speak, memes. yes, which ones are possible here and we have an amphibious man, and there is the head of professor dooley. that is, this is also a very bright work, which i am sure will be filmed again. let's start with salt, olya tell me please, you read scarlet sails. yes, you saw the movie man and uh, what else did the wave runner read? it's novel? grina yes, please tell me what you think about it. all works are quite interesting in them , you can just find a lot of parallels.

there are some love threads there. uh, love triangles, love squares. on this is actually very interesting to watch. well, let's talk about why, uh, can these authors be called copyists? what is escapism? in general, as a phenomenon of philosophy, yes, but the theme of escapism. it is so very extensive. and here is the definition of some kind of philosophy. yes, this escape is simply escape from the english word escape escape well, in this case, escape from reality, from the present self, from the fictional self, from oneself from some own ideas. that is, this is a huge mass of everything, but i would like reality first. yes, first of all i would like to say that if belyaev and green are escapists. who, uh, are these people who made some kind of cultural throw that they did not hide. they

did not hide somewhere, they just rushed, and they emerged victorious, that is, they carried out such wonderful ones in fact. yes , let's say eternal works, i'm not afraid of this word. here but if you take escapism in general, uh, psychology and philosophy, it is not properly developed. it's just a term that fits, but in principle, to everything. that is, to any aspect of life, someone becomes an informal, someone runs away from their parents, and someone here escapes into literature and does it so brilliantly that, well, there are no words, but there are no words but grandiloquent ones, and the russian word otdushino is often also called escapism in russian. it’s from the soul to come up with, you know, what would be the word otdushinoe. it was possible to unite and somehow call green yes, let's move and with these guys, to skopismont, as

it sounds incomprehensible, but if you figure it out, then it really is an outlet. yes, people have created andrey my husband andrey rubanov is a writer. he also writes fantasy. and so he thinks he says that the main thing for a writer is to create a meme, and he believes that we, belyaev and green, they, well, with each created their own meme, one created scarlet sails, another person with superpowers. yes, a person who can fly like in a novel a relay or an amphibious person a person who can live under water, in any case, they created some kind of image alone, but very powerful country house, which carries something in itself subconscious layers in people. yes, uh well , let's just say it shifts and floats out like an oil tanker. let's talk about maybe a little biography of these writers. they

were born around the same time. it was in the eighties of the xix century and, accordingly, there formed how the personalities began to work. e somewhere around the twenties . yes, and they both survived the first world war, and the hungry years revolution. uh, both experienced very serious health problems. yes. let's say lethal sometimes. so, what about such subtle romantic natures that gave us this romantic classic. uh, it's been such a hard life. it seems to me that there is some connection, because that the scarier reality. yes, the more real you make this magical world for yourself olly tell me please, here is the amphibious man yes, i am the scarlet sails. now, if we are talking about just an image, then we have a plot about words. where the girl dreamed she

guessed that one day? she meets the prince , he will sail according to the data just by themselves. uh, and she believed it for one of them. everyone laughed and thought she was crazy crazy, but one day really is the real principle. decided to fulfill her dream. he sailed with tributes sails, and the whole village saw that this girl's dream had come true, and she, of course, was glad to be sure. that all this will happen, it happened is one story. yes , a classic that remained and consider amphibian man alexander belyaeva yes, there is a plot, probably everyone remembers, because everyone knows the film in the sixties, wonderful with vladimir korenev and anastasia vertinskaya in the lead roles. but here i wanted to touch on, maybe a little more about belyaev’s biography, because here he came up with this man an anfigia, which

swims great underwater. and like you say, love triangles. yes, some drama. that is, he brought pearls there, so he dived somewhere. yes, that is, all this is so impressive, but the person who wrote this, alexander belyaev, is with him. uh, there were health issues. he had bone tuberculosis, and he spent six years in a corset, not moving, but here it is necessary. and remember the professor's head is satisfied. yeah , which he wrote, just under this report card, under the terrible impression of his own lying in bed, when it is impossible to move when only the head is working. and in general, it seems to me, it is precisely here hmm such a passion for dissecting bodies, that is, a light young shark the head of a professor dole, which itself exists on he has a passion for science he was very fond of science tsiolkovsky and he was very

interested in what tselkovskiy does, and superimposed on the disease. here is this tangle plus talent. uh-huh and gives us absolutely. here is a striking picture. see the talent plus the experience that the man goes through, because that both grin and belyaev, in spite of some fantastic romanticism of these, they knew the material thoroughly, that is, belyaev knew what it was not to move. he understood, like , what is the head of a dow professor, or how does a head feel without a body? and greene, who invented bourgeois yes worlds, as critics said with rum with some of these yes, sat in solitary confinement for 2 years for terrorism, that is, the man who fought and deserted was a revolutionary. yes, he was in prison. well, you know, after two years in solitary confinement. and even then exile he

became disillusioned with revolutionary activities. yes enough yes, but nevertheless he went through it . i just want to point out that these were people with real serious life experience, very hard for many writers. today, modern people are blamed for the fact that you are writing some kind of rubbish. yes, but it’s not clear why there are so many beautiful things in the world besides her, and green and uh, belyaev being in such a really terrible state. they managed not to pull into their world. here's to the world literature. all this. i'm telling you, it's a feat. this is how we started this escapism, as a feat, as a cultural feat. it seems to me that the program should be called as a cultural feat, yes, a cultural feat. well, i agree that the worlds of these authors are so convincing. green even said that i can feel

my world by touch. here is this lis zurbagan gel-gyu , some of these to him, belonging to this fox of the port city. he could draw it. he imagined himself so materially that when critics told him that you you invent everything. you have all the superficial bourgeois e world that you do not know, yes, and no one knows and there is no reality in it. there is the truth of life. and this, of course, was very unfair, because you can imagine what kind of work the writer did to create this world. they have had periods of success. and firstly, i wanted to say that belyaev was a fairly successful lawyer. as it is not funny, some period of his life, but before he began to engage in active literature and he earned money. advent and even before the revolution managed to go, er, and i traveled around europe, he was in italy in

france in general, i won’t say so as not to lie, but he saw european life. and, perhaps, these impressions left their mark. and green was a sailor, and also in his youth and was also on travels. uh, that is, he traveled abroad, let's say, so they had something to rely on, probably even in the descriptions of this bourgeois life. i'd also like to say that hmm. except maybe professor dowell's head. in the other three works, these are scarlet sails. wave runners yeah and uh amphibian man everywhere there is a sea, and the sea is a romantic romantic symbol, but not only that, but also as a symbol of the ocean of consciousness. yes, that is, such a feeling is created that all these scrapes of love demands are squares, but some kind of deception. yes, forgeries all this is happening, and

there is a sea nearby, who are watching this. they both have. uh writers were associated biographies with the crimea and the sea. the same parallel still exists in the crimea, and the amphibious man was filmed in the west of the crimea tarkhankut is called revenge ah, olya tell me please more about love triangles in these books. i would like to move on to the personal life of our heroes and i would like to start all the same with their figurative representation. here you read it. yes, the works of belyaev irina, here, as it seems to you, what kind of image of a man do you have. what is the image of a hero? what kind of relationship, let's say, is the work of belyaev and grain, namely, in a running amphibian full of humans. uh, the characters of the main characters are all too confusing. you can, so to speak,

a confusing personal life, but in the amphibian man the main character. so it turns out that initially da gutiyara was supposed to marry a man whom she does not love, then she fell in love with them, chandra, but it turned out. so he won't be able to live with them , there can't be medals, they can't be together and in the end. she married a man who loves her, but she thought that he was her friend and everything that is too complicated in life is not confusing. so here it is. yes, such a thing happens in the runner was to us the main character thought that he loves the whips of the romantic beauty. yes, but it turns out that the scourges are too mundane for him, and as a result, he chooses daisy cheerfully daisy yes, and there is still a heroine in grant's mill. well, as they say,

my most beloved of all this whole work. well, i want to tell you a little about my personal life. uh, our heroes, to make it clear why everything is so confusing, because we have already summed up, summed up with roma that our writers are realists, in fact , that is, although they are scopists, they also wrote their own experience. like real serious writers do, so uh all these tangled relationships of a woman took place , of course, in the fate of everyone. for example , about green i know more because i read his biography, which varlamov wrote very good in the zhzl series of ukraine there were several periods. uh, several types of women he met along the way, for example, his first love was a revolutionary. katya bibergal ekaterina vivergal, and named

pussy pussy. yes, i recalled an interesting nickname, such a cinematic one, too, a little. yes , an absolutely cinematic story. 'cause man uh was doing revolutionary propaganda and was successful precisely as a propagandist and hard work was not given to him, physically. yes, like a soldier's work, sailor's work and something else, that is, he liked it, he spoke well to green, many noted that green was a good speaker. he was a wonderful marather he managed to win attention. so to speak, the first beauty of the revolutionary get-togethers. eh, these socialist-revolutionaries and they had some kind of romance, but then he got it. uh, for terrorist activities in prison, and when he was released, he went with him saw. she refused e and did not marry him. it was a refusal, and he shot her with a revolver. that is, he was such a hot-tempered person. he shot e in the chest, that is, with the intent to kill. well, the girl didn’t

hit the heart, she survived, and not even how she didn’t hand over to the police, in general, this story slacked off. here but nevertheless, he still ended up in jail, but also again about his, uh, terrorist activities. well it sounds scary terrorist activity, in fact, it was let's say so simple uh, propaganda of revolutionary ideas, but the most interesting thing is that i really like it. the story is about, uh, when he published his first book of short stories. he decided to brag to this girl, who naturally remained his spiritual wound, probably all his life, as his first love, and even more so not mutual, and he sent her a link to his book. here, i'm just trying to introduce them, and here's olga imagine, woman. yes, he almost killed her, and then i stopped reading my book. well, how do you

like it? and it was much more serious than a today, well, a book came out and came out, then it was an event indeed. well events, he wanted to mean something to her. i wanted to show her that i was on another level. but she really never wanted to see her again. they never saw each other again, but he had a first wife later. and vera abramova, who was, probably, like whips in, uh, scourging. yes, this heroine, running on the waves, that is, it was. eh, a beautiful, alluring woman attractive to him, but , shall we say, not serious about his literary to his literary work. that is, she also criticized his aspirations. uh, to make heroes with foreign names

some kind of fictional life. i mean, she didn't understand him. they converged there, diverged, but in the end they finally parted somewhere, you can be before the revolution. here are quite young people anyway, they communicated all their lives, they corresponded. that's why he had a hopeless crush with green, not mutual in the secretary. the fact is that maxim gorky assembled such a house of writers, where they could live, get free food, or something like that, and there was a secretary, maria alonkina, and she was, so to speak, the muse of this entire house of writers. of course, writers were in love with her. she was very young, and apparently charming with greeny, there was no chance, because he was ugly, gloomy, thin. absolutely detailed, everyone said that he had a very bad character, and he, of course,

could not win the star of this house to write or, but nevertheless he was inspired to write and sails, but dedicated them to his third wife. so he met nikolaevna grin with him; this was his greatest luck. life was a woman who adored him, took care of him, took care of his literary work , comfortable conditions. she went with him to the end. and i'll even tell a story. here, uh, about the house, probably, yes, i wonder yes, we can all discuss what scarlet is about sites. unreal stories, well, fictional ones. yes, this is some kind of myth romantic women believe that men can fulfill their dream, but here i am i'll tell a story. and where the woman acted, like this captain gray yes, the captain is warming himself, she fulfilled her dream, and it was nina nikolaevna green censorship. he was crossed out from popular authors, they lived very poor, he

fell ill, he had his stomach began to develop, and the fact is that due to poverty, they rented all the time, some kind of cheap housing in the crimea and were forced to wash from corner to corner, because in the wake of success they sold an apartment in st. petersburg and wanted to go to the sea. there is a romantic atmosphere. well, life there was quite difficult, they just stopped publishing this one and they were looking all the time for a place where they could live cheaper without their own corner. and now nina nikolaevna made such a gift to him that, when it became clear that he was dying, he lay. and he did n't get up. she gave him an adobe house, that is, uh, all the small savings that they had, she invested in an adobe house, you know what an adobe house is? no, this is such a hut, such a hut made of clay has seen such in the villages. in general, she gave him such simple cheap most inconvenient. there was a window by the orchard. he could lie in his house and

look at a very beautiful garden and for him. it was very important. the fact is that in the novel the wave runner there is a scene where e is a hero. uh, hmm gives a house to his girlfriend daisy on uh, brings her to the house, does not say that this is her house, and then how, when she praises and says how she likes it, he gives her some kind of paper that this nikolaevna played her house and even the same scene because she brought green to this house. and only when he said she was magical. she said that the house is now theirs and, as far as i remember, it is in this house, then, as a result, the green museum is still in the old one. as far as i know, it also exists. here belyaev also had a romantic story. he also gravitated towards beautiful femme fatales, but in the end he also realized that the writer needed another, such as a companion. first

woman. first companion. as far as i remember, i left him just for the reason that a had a severe pain in his spine, and she said that i want to live, and not take care of disabled. and that's probably. it was such a first shock in his life in general, i would like to add the most interesting thing, and about, well, a little younger than the two of us at the age of olga and belyaev jumped from the roofs of various buildings. this is how it manifested itself. here is the craving, to science even then, and he believed that god forbid such a craving in science gravity and really take off, that is, a romantic man from the very first days. that is, he limits himself to wings, some amazing designs from an umbrella even jumped once. here but the question is that after all, he injured his spine for the third time, which he later said, until not from

yet, finally i didn’t understand that this was impossible , i wasn’t convinced. and this injury turns out to be a trauma. then she said together with tuberculosis. yes, so he also found a wonderful life partner. it’s just that, unfortunately, there is also a tragic story there, because his wife and daughter were captured by the germans and, in general, they were first captured, then, when they returned, uh, to soviet russia they got to camp. well, in general, life was very difficult . and not only for writers, but also in semey, nina nikolaevna green also had problems after the death of her dear husband. she worked in a printing house when the germans occupied the crimea and when this situation was already over. uh, the villagers , they started it. well here's the bait that she was in collaboration with the printing house. well, that

is, this is such a moment, but you don’t explain to people that you really can’t get anywhere, but this, by the way, is the plot. pay attention to how writers you are life and work are intertwined, because the same here, uh, but salt. by the way, this name came up with the clay of this character. olya, she remained so romantic and a star of literature that they only do not call from sweets to factories the super-commercial name that green came up with , uh, this name does not exist. this is a figment of his imagination. in general, this is assol ah. she was ridiculed in the village. that's just where she lived by the sea and the same story then goes on after his death. nina nikolaevna yes is ridiculed and some persecution of the inhabitants. eh, this non-native place where she lives and life accidentally brought there, but nonetheless. that's where the grain museum remained in this old crimea, and in general, this place is already associated with it.

here is belyaev, who died in the village of pushkino near leningrad, then there was the children's village. yes, there he has a completely terrible story, of course, the city of pushkin is obtained by the germans in forty-second. ah, at belyaevo a, it turns out that there was no food in the house, no water, no heating at all. that is, he just lay in four walls, what is called huh? died of hunger and cold. here we know that writers usually have very complicated biographies, writers of all, yes, they die. yes, just their biographies. these are the most difficult, probably, these are the fates that i wanted to say to scopism. still, back to our main topic. well, i don’t know about you, but i still have a parallel between assol and

ichthyander, and here are two characters that society does not accept, does not understand. and when evil people say so, yes, they see that he can. uh, being under water for a long time, what they do to him immediately makes him look for pearls mmm . and this is a completely romantic young man who does not understand life, does not know that such people exist at all. yes, they do not know that material values ​​exist. well, and the salt is clear that the girl is not of this world, as the dreamers portrayed her, and she is also her own in her city, huh? it does not enjoy, let's say, popularity and respect. and this, too. in a sense, it can be called escapism, because it is forced escapism, that is, life is arranged in such a way that if you do n’t want to fit in or you can’t fit in, then into this machine that

works and works year after year, and catches up with money there. eh, some kind of happiness invented did not invent. for each in their own way. yes, then be kind, so, be patient , uh, this is what ostrogism is, and be a of the captain, such as. well, people have decided for you that you will be an outcast. well, by the way, will it be relevant today? is it possible now to say that right now there is some trend of iscapism in literature? or in how it can be expressed today, after all, we are talking, but you can go to this topic through olga’s question yes, i have a question like this, but it’s ripe for her as when the aspiring actress ol tell me please immersion in a role can be iscopism. can an actor step into a role in order to get away from the real self? it's actually a difficult question, because all the actors are still immersed in a role in different ways. yes

, many load themselves with work to escape reality, but still, quite small people do this, how do you do it? tell me how are you doing. i love to work very much. yes, you can say that to some extent i am engaged in escapism, because i load myself with work in order to get away, er, from reality, to forget about school, about some teenagers there. uh, thought problems and so on and so forth, but i can't say that all actors do this because immersing themselves in the role. you are more yours. you take your experience, uh, and build it into the role, and don't go into the role, forgetting your whole life. have you seen such a dance of the vertinskaya guttiera dance in a person? yes, here olya also had a dance in the film. she did it

with a choreographer and starred. so tell me, when you saw this dance by vertinskaya, you showed that it was a cool acting job, because it seems to me that you are the dance. he just wrote amazing. i liked this dance very much, because my emotions and feelings are also expressed in this dance. this is the dance of man. in mine, phoebe shows love relationships and their e, and this is actually a very big job done, acting, of course, yes, this is a wonderful acting job, and it seems to me that vertinskaya is still most popular because of this role. although she is a great actress in other roles. well , that's how people remember it. yes, most of all it's there, just right. yes, it’s even a pity that they didn’t succeed in the end. what a pity, moreover, the ending of the film and the ending of the text of the work, but the film differs a little , the film ends on the fact that the

ichthyander just goes into the wave and swims away, and the text of the work also says that the gutiers are with the journalist, but they create uh, well a couple uh huh, it seems to me, it was necessary in show the film too, because there is no hint of such a gestalt, right? yes, he blesses. uh, the ichthyander blesses her for marriage with this journalist, says he loves you or sometime there it's so interesting, so the picture is made. and by the way, one of the main escopists in all the works is on e, doctor, just here, e, who inserted the ichthyander, and the light young shark, yes salvator. that's where they killed him. this sounds very serious, but can there be a head, but the head lives separately? from the bodies and here is the head though speaking and thinking, and this person or no. here one head can be a man or not ethical questions, that is, uh,

did he put them before himself at that time? of course, it was possible somehow, at that time it was impossible, but he foresaw these scientific discoveries alone. here is a large such large part of telescoping. but science fiction writers specifically, they not only gave us a work. so they also looked into the future and made it convincingly amazing somehow, maybe they influenced, because i know that in the programs i announce namely, for example, he wrote to the newspaper in the magazine where belyaev was published that this person thinks his scientific work is convincing, that is, the scientific community, well, it is clear that there were no calculations there, because this is not a matter of fiction, but in fact it was, of course , all. it was, but here's iscapism, as you said, roma, well, that's olya said. it seems to me that we have come to the conclusion that escapism can be productive

or destructive, and we are talking about the fact that even olya said that an actor, maybe, yes, how to run away into a role, and can use his experience for development. it seems to me that we are now talking about igrin and pilyaev . they were very productive, their work is very diverse, therefore they have different works. well, let's just say those that remained, er, in culture. eh, those works that have a film adaptation. they all, uh, well, let's just say, helped us too, really, even if scopism helped us become better even. if there is, but in their works. however, there are some characters reflect evil. yes, aside, all the same, they are somehow cute, that is, it is clear that a and the writer loves them, he describes them. so here you can see his love for them, including, uh, love for the world. yes, in general, in general, we didn’t

discuss here. well, let's not discuss. i will just briefly touch on, and there is such a work, one of my favorites by green pied piper, here it is such a rather strange bewitching mystical and there is also there. uh, such a big dark negative background. but with what love are you describing all this you get out of this story you take out of it only well, only light, but i would also like to talk about olya with you about what they want today. yes, i want the same topic, that is, this surge, these films are scarlet sails, and phoebe is the sixties, that is, the sixties during the thaw became very popular. here is this romantic russian science fiction of the twenties. both of these authors fired. yes, actually develop from now on. it seems to me that now is the same moment. olya told me that it would be nice today, yes look at these images already in modern films. yes, that would be very interesting. if

all these films were re-shot again, it would be interesting for the old generation to watch it and for teenagers, because by comparing pictures you always learn more than just. watching one movie. yes, i believe that our podcast should inspire the creators to create a new film adaptation of these immortal works, and russian romantic fiction is immortal. i think we'll all go to the cinema together.