new heightened activity of the united states and american allies in europe and the far east let's start with europe general buinskiy lieutenant general u professor of the higher school of economics tell me, when you look at all those weapons, uh, that are announced either are already going to ukraine or should go soon announce one package, in a few days the second package already. it's just that i, for example, starting to get confused, one was at 3 billion. another they say will be at 2.5. what is happening, why is this being done? you you know, dmitry is really going on some kind of sur, because uh such an impression, what than ah? let's just say the more successes, uh, the russian troops. although i will

not say that there are some cardinal successes. so far, uh, successes at the tactical level, although, uh, the release of solidarity. uh. i hope artyomov's speedy release and then the kramator. slavyansk is, of course, already beyond the scope of tactics, because it is already, uh, let's say, uh, we are talking about the complete liberation of donbass but the more tactical successes the russian group has, the more self-restrictions that the american administration allegedly imposed on itself are removed. after all, you remember what the javelin, stingers, began from, this is not enough, highmarse. uh, long-range artillery, three sevens howitzer, and so on. now we are talking about tanks. uh, we were talking about combat, uh, infantry vehicles, we were talking about

armored transporters, and we were talking about long-range air defense systems such as the patriot uh, and uh, you understand. eh, here. tomorrow , more likely, a decision will be made about a new aid package worth, uh, two and six tenths, there will be no billion abrams. this is already quite clear, but obviously a fundamental decision will be made by the european allies that they will still supply tanks. although if you believe in the scholz, then until there is an abrams there will be no leopards, but uh. i want to say something about what will be announced tomorrow. uh, in particular in terms of armored vehicles, it does not mean at all that tomorrow they will, uh, be on the battlefield, because, well, first of all, these tanks, well, abrams. i say again,

the americans are very, uh, kind to their tanks and e, taking into account the fact that the car is still very heavy. i will repeat once again what i have already said in this studio - the infrastructure of ukraine it is, in general, this is the soviet infrastructure, they themselves did nothing , and it is imprisoned for soviet equipment, that is, for tanks e weighing up to 50 tons, well, or a little above 50 tons, everything that is all e tanks abrams e, 65 tons, some there up to 70 tons. and the challenger two are the same, 63 leopard, 63. that is, all these are very heavy tanks, very difficult to maintain and very difficult to repair. plus they still need to deliver uh to combat zone of free tanks. well, poland has announced that they are ready

to supply a company of 14 tanks even without the permission of germany. although i represent again, because there is an end-use certificate. uh, without uh permission germany no longer has the right to simply export this technique to other countries, poland is very worried. e about what she has the right to do or not. well, you understand dmitry you can, uh, of course, don't give a damn about everything, as they say. i apologize for the bad manners. but it is possible that they demonstrate in relation to russia but to do this in relation to their allies, that is, to defiantly disregard some sort of legally established rules. eh? in europe, among the countries of the european union , in my opinion, this is not accepted, so we'll see, but in any case, we can talk. here they are now, this armored

alliance, can we talk about aggregating? well, what is the american brigade of 87 abrams and 144 bradleys ? leopards, 2 fourth modification. they have good frontal armor, but, let's say, not very good side and bottom armor. they lost four tanks in afghanistan to improvised explosive devices. just without any fire impact from uh opponents from the taliban, but, the turks lost 10 in syria, and uh, our uh old ones affected them. eh? anti-tank systems such as the bassoon, there and so on, that is, against our modern e-e systems

. of course, well, i think that they will be very vulnerable. what if it applies moreover, a combination of hummers, and with new e more long-range missiles and let's say tanks and the sky are not transporters. it won't. uh, serious striking force to break through the fortification uh dmitry if we are talking about highmarks, uh with uh missiles attacks with uh with a range of 300 km, while we are not talking about some, while we are talking about the so-called uh small bombs, which uh are placed on e, m-26 salvo rockets and e yes. increases by up to 160 km. well, firstly, it is not yet available to make the boeing company offered this case. but they need at least six months

so that, in fact, this first park, the administration, supposedly, if you believe the new york times, supposedly, the biden administration, are starting to seriously think about what to provide e ukraine with weapons specifically for more specifically, just the technology in the missile system that you spoke about for in order to be able to carry out strikes on the crimea dmitry well, you understand, if strikes are made on the crimea and on the crimea, i think that we also need to remove the very restrictions that, uh, we have obviously imposed on ourselves. at least that's all i can do explain why his transport infrastructure is being destroyed. why are there bridges? why do tunnels function? we talked on the last program, what in general? uh, the most important thing is the delivery of this equipment to the combat zone. delivery can be carried out as much by rail , out of 24 bridges on the dnieper, only

four railroads are possible. i say you don’t even need to destroy the supports. uh, dick in the antonovsky bridge in kherson showed that the central span was destroyed, and that’s all, and the bridge does not function, but does not function. uh, moreover, i think that we need to work with our closest ally and, let's say, from the territory of belarus from brest to zhev and to the place of concentration. e of this technique on ukrainian territory near the polish border. there are 300 km. it is quite possible to get this business with our iskanders. therefore, i think that we also need to lift the restriction and move on to a more serious one, especially since the president said. we are not all who you just said, this is very important, as far as i remember. uh. at least on our the program you are talking about for the first time about what we are talking about, you will have to remove self-restraint.

well, you already know now. you understand, the speech is already something like that. they didn’t say anything, in davos they are already talking about planes and the fan says that ukraine needs to be given all types of weapons. i do not understand what everything means, but everything that is. everything needs to be given, moreover, there has already been talk, what does not care that we expose our own armed forces with our own warehouse stocks. we need to give everything to ukraine and then for it to win, and then we'll see, we'll restore it, because, for example, it is very significant that the americans, for example. of the five-millimeter shells, they have already exhausted their stocks. they have already opened warehouses in israel in israel, these are not israeli warehouses, this is an american warehouse with a strategic reserve, which is intended , uh, in case and for use in case of an escalation. uh, iran iran, israeli

relations or the emergence of some kind of conflict, the same thing in south korea, they also opened stocks in south korea in order to supply ukraine, although those warehouses designed in case of an armed conflict between north and south korea thank you now fast forward to the asia-pacific theater and andrey denisov and you have been with us for 10 years. for almost 10 years, according to the words, in china, and before that, they were ambassadors to the united nations, the most intact ambassadors, they are from other countries, but today i would like to ask specifically. yes, about china and what is happening around china to what extent. uh, i understand, uh, there the american strategy is somewhat more complex with more the number of nuances. and it's hard to say that , uh, the united states there is rushing forward on the path of confrontation. how

america seems to be doing in ukraine, and now i want to understand these conflicting signals on the one hand. there is even talk of some kind of warming between the united states and china china and the united states, as the two largest economies in the world and permanent members of the un security council, share extensive common interests in ensuring peace and stability around the world, promoting global development and prosperity, and bear a special responsibility for this is that the whole world is watching what china and the us are doing. when china the us enters into a confrontation, it does not matter whether it is a cold war, a hot war, a trade war or a technological war. ultimately, everything ends up damaging the interests of china, the united states and all countries in the world, most likely, if you are talking about some signs of warming, then i do not exclude that janet leigh helen's statement will, well, in some of its main theses are close to what the respected ones said absolutely. that's

absolutely, more precisely, when we look at what what russian and, uh, american diplomats say at meetings, there is a very big difference there, but here you are absolutely right. there is some serious element of coincidence , because it is based on common interests and, above all, material interests. uh, the construction is such that on the american side, the key player in relations with china is the minister of finance. it just so happened. this has been the case in all administrations. moreover, one of them was by the name of paulson, e, he is even to some extent, as they say in the united states panda hega, that is, one who hugs pandas and treats china well and kindly. but look at the chinese delegation. here it is, uh, uh, mr. luh, and the vice-premier is a graduate, by the way, to say that

harvard is fine, they speak english and this is the curator of macroeconomics and the financial sector in the chinese government. this is a very competent person. e, for which well one of its main functions is the negotiator with china. but he sits to the right of him. eh, mr. egan - this is in glasses and in a uh head. uh, this is the central manager the bank of china, that is, as you can see, a very impressive composition of the delegation from the chinese side. i will not list the main persons, but these are the leading specialists of the economic departments of the chinese government, and the materially interesting ones are so great and not only great, but also deep, that in general, you have to look for some common ground, so there are certain boundaries that are not neither side wants to cross until it wants to. well, it’s not that he doesn’t want to yet, but rather he doesn’t want to anymore, because it’s gone too far

far. the very, the sphere of american-chinese contradictions, which certainly exist, and through the efforts of the american side, they have driven into a kind of dialogic dead end, from which you need to get out, because if the matter came down only to trade contradictions, only to trade policy, then, as practice shows compromise at the very least, but there are, but starting with uh, trump and then biden, his administration continued this line. eh, relations with china are becoming more and more ideological and this is precisely what leads them to a dead end. fine. well, on the other on the other hand, the united states is planning further arms shipments to taiwan, i'm right. well, anyway, they never stopped. here is a kind of. uh, a very crafty policy, when one thing is said, and another is done in words, the american administration confirms loyalty to the so

-called three stones, loyalty to the principle of one china. but it is engaged in practice. in general, this is it. uh, i would say a petty provocation by the chinese side. after all, this is a fact, what is the supply of weapons. uh, taiwan well, apart from let's say profits for suppliers. this is an annoying factor for china in any case. taiwan is not a militarily rival to china, it is small in terms of concepts. china is a province with a population of 24 million people. she is certainly capable. well, to provide some kind of armed resistance, if god forbid e. some kind of negative scenario will happen, but in any case, this is basically an effective demonstration of such deliveries. it seems to me, but he is very annoying china because he is. violates the rules of the game, which are unacceptable for china. i mean, well,

what about? the desire of the united states, and quite clearly declared , is to achieve not only new relations with japan, but also to encourage japan along the path of militarization. well, it's all the same. this forcing degrees of tension and nothing more , negative certainly negative. after all, relations between china and japan e. this is a ball. this is a tangle of rather sharp contradictions, which, in addition, have deep ones. unfortunately, deep historical roots, so any kind of such negative trends are, uh, well, i would say diseases are perceived, it is doubly the chinese side of historical memory, in the end it plays its own completely. understandable role, but for the americans. yes it is this is again a personal annoyance. here we need china literally. eh, literally immerse yourself in an atmosphere of such

irritation in the expectation that follow some sharp, abrupt steps, as they say. uh, this is what i call the classic security dilemma. yes when it is causing moves by one side followed by an aggressive response by the other side and occurs again, as political scientists say , symmetry calibration, but at a higher level. here is the result of all this. but you were the ambassador to china, they are in japan, but you are fine. i'm sure you also know japan from your point of view, if japan follows the path of militarization, but i have the impression that this path is already beginning to be clearly outlined. is japan a country that could be sort of put in a strict framework in terms of who this militarization will be directed against? a? can we assume that since japan will

er, in the first place to be afraid of china a little russia that for this reason japan will not direct its inventory against the united states can washington be sure of this? well, you know, this is already, i would say, the question is more scholastic, or something, the question that the republicans in congress will surely ask when they see china's reaction to the japanese inventory, well, the point is that the republicans in congress need what something arguments against the democrats, of course, but this kind of politics. she, of course, mikhail sergeevich rybacheva throws such arguments at them, as if in words. this is the first thing. second uh, the militarization of japan is a process. eh, negative by definition, there are simply no arguments in favor of the fact that it can be regarded as at least some kind of neutral and

let's not forget that this is not only against. china, we are very close to japan and that's it. this is ultimately. uh, we'll have to take that into account in our military planning. thank you. that's when we think why all these weapons are heading to ukraine why, right now, an interesting answer was given to this christian freelancer; the answer was ladies before autumn freelance - this figure is quite well- known. she is a canadian citizen of ukrainian origin descended from people who uh collaborated with the nazis. she denied that she knew about it. although other relatives they said that she knew she was a correspondent for the financial times and then very good, then she became a member of the canadian

parliament, then the minister of foreign affairs is now the minister of finance, and she has been throughout her career, with the exception of journalists, when it seemed to me she was more or less objective, she was obsessed with the fight against russia more radical than the nationalists in ukraine itself and why i want us to listen to her quote, because informed people are saying and saying that she will become secretary general of nato pretty soon let's listen. as she explains why the west should seek, but russia's defeat in ukraine. it's not about helping ukraine supply

ukraine with weapons, it's like zelensky is desperately asking for money that will help win the war in our own interests. i am the minister of finance of canada and if i were asked what the minister of finance and governments of the g7 could do this year, we are not in power over the form and we do not influence global supply chains we do not completely control inflation, but one thing we are definitely able to help ukraine win an unconditional victory if we do this and if this happens this year, the world economy will receive a huge boost to development. i want to highlight one expression. she used the outright victory. this is the usual unconditional. victory means another country. e capitulates yes, and now, when a person with such views with such ambitions in them is not political, they are going

to make nato's general secret, maybe we will miss the gentleman who seemed to us a radical, but a russophobe. but look, it turns out you can be even worse for a long time. uh, being ministry of defense. uh, my area of ​​responsibility was cooperation with nato . uh, even starting from the moment of the collapse of the soviet union in 1992, when we entered the partnership program, for the sake of peace while still trump. e. i know this organization pretty well. now mined. i don’t know there, there are 4-5 times a year. i was in brussels and i don't want to exaggerate the role of the general secretary. the general secretary is just like him, for example, the chairman of the military committee. well, purely ceremonial figures that, uh, in

in principle, little, what is determined, but voiced, of course, everything that concerns uh nato and uh, the policy of the bloc, the construction of blocs. all this is being resolved. naturally, not in the nato apparatus and not as secretary general. he can prepare some proposals. he can put forward some ideas, i remember the only general i have until the last 20-30 years there - this is lord robert robertson from the uk uh, who was really listened to, but he was so sane, in my opinion, he is sane. yes, but given that he still represented uk secretary of defense uk ah all uh, subsequent rasmuson. eh, stoltenberg is everything. eh, don't exaggerate. eh, them. ah, the role. i repeat once again that everything that concerns nato, everything is determined correctly in the main washington, the one who pays, he calls the

music. these especially 100% agree and i do not expect. and that it will become an e-locomotive of nato but what is significant for me. this is what a person, if her views are nominated for this post and that her nomination coincides very interestingly with more ambitious anti-russian goals. which can be traced in the nato line in ukraine is not so. uh, it's totally true more than that, uh, nato is not only there the nato line in ukraine, i would say the united states line in europe, because uh, if you look, although, i don't know if well, hypothetically here trump is getting again president, his attitude towards nato, in fact, it was articulated during his first constitution, but we will not leave it, and the united states is returning to europe, i er,

i look at it, including they have already transferred 1,200 units of british equipment. eh, now er, in my opinion, another batch of 600 units is coming. they are deploying headquarters. uh, brigades, uh, division headquarters in eastern europe actually returns the first cavalry division. uh, to europe that was you yes, in fact, the fifth army corps is returning. well, not not in general, but in parts , the anti-missile defense system is being improved, but i don’t know when the ijes will be deployed, uh, in poland, but it will obviously be deployed, that is. uh, the united states means militarily they are returning to europe and, accordingly, once they're going back to europe. then, uh, the americans won't do anything. eh, it's just so momentary. uh, the return is fundamental, which means that the policy is anti-russian policy, and

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on the donetsk front thank you very much for taking the time to talk with us, and we understand how busy you are, frankly speaking, with very important matters. russia has changed since the recent military successes, if you have the feeling that in in general, everything is going in the right direction now. yes, i can definitely say that, yes is on the right track. eh, the situation. so now you've changed. well , although the situation in donetsk is very difficult. uh, active battles are now going on in donetsk directly, where is my brigade located in this direction of nevelskoy, active hostilities are going on, but we noticed this and feel with our brigade, that e changes, of

course, very big changes are taking place at the moment. but i mean that we now have active hostilities here. right now, the brigade is directly conducting offensive operations. eh, well, and, accordingly , favorable conditions for the residents of the city of donetsk, we move the enemy of the enemy directly from the city. uh, now the shelling, i can't say that it has decreased, of course, uh, the shelling of the city is going on. well, nevertheless, one can say that it is not as intense as it was, for example, a week ago. uh, the shelling of donetsk was harder, although today there was shelling, in my opinion, donetsk, if memory serves, there were definitely two shellings in several places and the marriage was shooting at civilians. here are the ukrainian forces that you are

dealing with, what is your assessment of their effectiveness and has this effectiveness changed in recent days? yes, you can say so, what has changed in that regard has changed, uh, the forces, most likely, the ukrainian army is ending, because there are a lot of mobilized mobilized ukrainian military personnel. well , these are simple people there, who, perhaps , to some extent, they also do not want to fight, maybe even, but these are mobilized mobilized and they are thrown, their ukrainian governments are throwing these of people. just here for the meat. eh, we kill them. they don’t even take their 200, 200, 200 , so we notice this, we see that no one takes this into account, uh, but they don’t rush, yes, meat on city on city. it throws ordinary people, it is their mobilized

ukrainians, as it were, and they are pushing and pushing directly. this is necessary. the battalions are their commanders, who, uh, there are very few of them at the forefront, they are somewhere behind, like barriers , the ukrainian troops are trying to push them. what are your forecasts, how the situation will develop in donetsk direction. but i can definitely say, definitely, uh, the forecast will be positive in our direction. why because we're going offensive? we don't stand for almost a single day, we don't stand a little every day, but we move in all directions. well, in the direction of donetsk. i mean, in donetsk we are advancing to the borders of the donetsk region, we will say so, so i definitely think that the

situation will change and change for the better and quite quickly and soon, when you push back the ukrainian artillery to they did not fire at donetsk or head, in which, in general, well, barbarism is simply going on. yeah, the exact dates, sort of, i ca n't say, but i think it's in the near future. uh, these are the next few days that we will move such enemy artillery from donetsk. unfortunately, the enemy receives weapons from nato countries, unfortunately, yes, this is bad, of course. but otherwise, i think in the coming days, we will still move away from donetsk. enemy and artillery including, thank you thank you very much and we are very grateful for that you took the time to talk to us. thank you. all the best. i want to go back to the

topic that we discussed, which is complex and relatively controversial, as i at least understand the policy of the united states towards china. we were just talking about europe in general, it cannot be said that everything is simple, but more or less, it is clear there, but there are no illusions. as for china, it's really hard for me to figure it out. and you know, when i was talking to people in washington, including in the administration. i had a feeling like i often had the feeling when speaking with experts from the administration that, in general, they understand everything well and understand that when you push russia like that, it’s probably

unreasonable to simultaneously push china, uh, in the direction of america’s opposition. but on the other hand . but also the strength of american domestic policy, which you just mentioned and because many american companies really would like a tougher protectionist line from the united states and because there is something like you excellent real debate on intellectual property issues. well, there are the interests of american military companies. it 's true that china is becoming a challenge to america, it can't be said that this is a far-fetched challenge. i didn’t see how russia could be a threat to the united states, and therefore it’s very difficult for me to understand from the point of view of american interests what the united states is doing against russia, but when it comes to

china, the situation is more complicated. and how to find america's right balance? here in this e, if you want confrontation with china and at the same time cooperation and how can i not go too far? it seems to me that i do not know if you will agree with this that in the biden administration, there are different opinions, and so far a clear line has not been fully formed. well, let's hear what e said recently about shia japan's strategy in the far east, the secretary of state, damn it. of japan to double defense spending in 2027 japan's strategy is closely aligned with the us national security strategy in both regards to key problems, and in addressing them effectively, we are committed to upholding the common values ​​of democracies and human rights. protecting the rule of international law. in doing so, we continue to lead the way in addressing global

challenges that no country can solve alone, such as the climate crisis and deadly viruses. we agree that energy is the greatest common strategic challenge we all and our allies and partners face. well, it seems to me that there is even a contrast between what finance minister yen says and what who says secretary of state, damn it, and then the question arises. how is everything viewed in china and is china open to cooperation with the united states? despite the fact that the united states continues to support taiwan and, if you want, they even support the militarization of japan in some way, what is the reaction to this in beijing? well, in general, the reaction is definitely negative, because everything that is done by the united states japan and taiwan are all, of course, as they say, everything is against wool, china does not like it and does not

i like it quite rightly, the chinese show protests, therefore, to be honest, i don’t see the occasion here either, in principle, the possibility of somehow changing this policy on both issues. they are of fundamental, if you like, existential significance for china for its foreign policy. as for the united states, well, i'm not an americanist. uh, no, specialists. it's quite obvious that there are simply different interests multiplied by hmm. well, i would say, a certain, uh, randomness. e, apparently, the development of e-e foreign policy attitudes and decisions in washington, again, i can’t judge, not being americanists, but uh, the same us secretary of state with all due respect, not not to mr. blinkin, but to the post of secretary of state. uh, he’s a great confusion, because this quote, you know, in an everyday sense, reminds me that, of course, i’ll get married there, but at

the same time i reserve the right to go to dances on my own, that is, uh, so and so with china you can’t talk like that and now i remember hmm and the first meeting of the new leaders of the foreign policy of the united states began to war and blinkin and their chinese partners, which consisted of their many-times. uh, the then curator of the outside hmm political sphere. e. very rudely responded to the attempts of the americans, as he said to feed this muck. er, to the chinese people, such a policy, such as that we are ready to develop relations with you, but at the same time we will defend human rights in the form in which they are understood in the united states of america. here, uh, with such with such sentiments. uh, i think, uh, some serious steps. uh, towards improving bilateral relations, which the

office certainly needs from the outside. eh, i think to wait. uh, just no, no, no reason, eh. uh, look what's happening, and economic interests dictate both china and the united states of america need to find some kind of consensus, what you mentioned dmitry uh, trade barriers of all kinds, uh, tariffs uh, protectionism, after all sexual property rights - these are real issues of trade and political regulation, which have always existed long before biden before trump and obama, and were somehow resolved through normal trade negotiations. i would say that no less sharp contradictions flared up from time to time between the european union and the united states of america in the same area of ​​trade policy. but now, when an ideology is found for this, as well as the american idea of ​​\u200b\u200bexclusivity

that responsibility is not only for, uh, your country. well, the whole world will decide on them and any, uh, opinion that is different. mm, this is perceived as hostile. uh, i don't think there's anything here. good is not to be expected. unfortunately, because the last thing i would like to say is that in china they are very disliked, nowhere is disliked, but in china it may be to a greater extent. uh, what is called anna account tickets and antibiotics, that is, the lack of the ability to calculate, foresee and build your policy on some logical core chinese opportunities are not given now. here, and mrs. freelance people with her beliefs on naturally,

president zelensky, they keep saying that the conflict is not in ukraine, not about ukraine, that it is russian. uh, post-soviet imperial ambitions. and that if russia wins in ukraine, then there will be further victims and that is why ukraine is so useful that it was possible to fight to the last ukrainian. that if the united states and nato were victorious in this war, uh, they would were not satisfied with this victory for a long time and most likely came to the

conclusion that china should draw the right conclusions, that china should understand how strong the west is, how the west is one, and that china should accordingly know its place or and that it will not be easy dreams that these will not be just words, but that certain actions will most likely follow. no, i don't mean an attack on china, but i mean more, if you like, assertive politics in the region more military . support for american allies. well, in general, eh. they will constantly explain to china that russia has refused to play by the rules and look what happened to it. now you must draw your correct conclusions and make a choice in favor of playing by

our rules and accepting a place in the international system where the neva and the west are the hegemons . it seems to me that approximately these theses are voiced by secretary of state blinkin in his contacts with chinese colleagues, that appointed by the ministers of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china mr. shingan. but uh, short answer. i would say that the chinese will not buy into this. they perfectly understand perfectly understand what is going on and what is the result? what do the americans see there, apparently? maybe overestimating your strength? it's hard for me to judge i'm not an americanist, but they play on two boards in russian and chinese, but if in russian they play something like a blitz game in order to finish quickly, maybe you even know how in checkers, when they just start to click and demolish from the figure.

so they pump up ukraine with weapons and use proxies. uh, military methods, then china - this is a serious game, a game of a long game, which for the united states of america and for its claims to world leadership has, uh, a much deeper character and uh, china sees and understands all this very well. that's why that's why there, uh, they build their policy, including, uh, regarding the assessment of events taking place in ukraine, and when we talk about the assessment, uh, it is generally voiced and, it seems to me, for russia are quite positive. but as for specific actions, the united states claims that china has given assurance that it will not violate american sanctions, that china has given assurance that it will not

provide russia with any support, weapons and armaments from the other side. i look at the trade statistics and the trade is flourishing very much going forward. and not only in the field of hydrocarbons, but in many areas. how would you assess the chinese line towards russia in these current complex and contradictory conditions. well, you know, uh, politics is always the art of the possible and, uh, our chinese partners are showing great skill in building relations with russia with my country under the conditions that both russia and china have been placed with due to american politics because look, uh, the united states the americans are seeking

confirmation from china that it does not provide, let's say, material assistance to russia in the current situation, it's not about assurances. but the fact is that americans, thanks to the dollar, thanks to the prevailing scheme. e. here is what is called supply chains and so on, and controls the situation of the global economy as a whole and in china. in particular, in china they simply don’t want to fall under secondary sanctions, and this is completely understandable and understandable for a country with such a huge economy that is so heavily dependent on the outside world, so here, uh, the situation is quite natural. as for russian chinese trade. well, it is generally withdrawn from the scope of us sanctions to a large extent. at the end ends of the oil. we are supplied to china under the pipeline. gas. now, of course, the pipeline is also not covered by sanctions, but certainly, and calculations like e, have just been

said. e in national currencies has already reached about half of our trade turnover, according to chinese statistical services, the turnover will amount to, well, almost 200 billion 190 billion us dollars. last year it was 100 e 140. uh, uh, in the previous year 2021 it was 147 billion oe. this is a really impressive growth after all. he is, of course, to a large extent occurred as a result of rising energy prices, they remain, but in trade. uh, trade is recovering, including that's been very positive lately. uh phenomena at the border occur, where transport links have been restored. all this will immediately give, certain gains, even more impressive trade. general yes dmitry i would also like to say a little, uh, a few words about uh, china to us. eh, from my point of view. we

absolutely do not need china to us, uh, carry out any arms deliveries. so the same shells, there is artillery, we have tanks with this. eh, so far so good. especially, as the president of our industry said. already our uh military-industrial complex is spinning up and missiles. we produce enough anti-aircraft and winged shells with this. we have enough, but uh, to want, of course, to receive from china, and i think that this should not even be done at the state level. here. uh, naturally, we lose to the americans. e in our satellite constellation. we have fewer satellites, we have fewer opportunities to carry out continuous monitor to the battlefield or war zone in general to monitor the territory of ukraine hmm china has uh, very uh, a decent satellite constellation and not

only state-owned, in my opinion, there are also private ones. uh, private or in china there is no this all the whole state. oh well, those that are 100% private, of course not, yes, but in any case be joint-stock. it seems to me that china could help us by simply selling. uh, satellite information on the territory of ukraine is the same. we, uh, have some issues with the drone. china made great progress in this direction. if, taking into account the fact that here we are, after all, uh, we have helped or are helping china create a missile attack warning system. that is, we have high-tech cooperation at fairly decent levels. here in these two directions. it seems to me that china could give us , uh, more substantial help, but this is my such uh, such dreams. you can find dreams to respond. well i'll tell you, so the enemy who started this part to politics

is the art of the possible china will not shoot yourself in the foot and harm with your interest to expose yourself to all sorts of american sanctions. but what is, uh, what is the subject of normal trade, not subject to sanctions. china will certainly do. it is in his interests and in our interests. you know, when you say this, i immediately have a question. and how china defines its interests, i understand that on the one hand. uh, the desire not to fall under sanctions is an important and legitimate interest on the other hand to prevent. e defeat e russia, which may not be an ally, well, in general, it is a very significant partner. this, too, is probably a national interest. china definitely. but as long as we

satisfy this interest on our own, as it was just said, we, uh, i am not a military person, and it is difficult for me to judge this, but it seems to me that we are really in some such uh, not really we pressed the corner so that we needed some kind of military states from china there. no, i repeat once again military supplies, we do not need we are talking about by the way, the americans are just selling it. all countries sell, uh, satellite information, but here i don't know, maybe it shouldn't be done publicly, but in any case, it would be great for us. it helped with regard to drones. that is, naturally. i don't mean direct deliveries without pilots. especially shock there or to scout for someone some technologies to share some technologies. we share technology with the chinese using the crm system. that is. well, here, i say, such mine are not such i put forward a seditious thought. but

when uh, mr. really. and yes, in general, mr. blinkin is saying that supplies to ukraine can bring a peaceful solution closer. somehow i can't fully take them literally, because i don't see any pressure on their part for ukraine to agree to a minimum acceptable peace solution. but uh, when we look at relations between china and russia and china says that china does not need this conflict in ukraine and would like some kind of diplomatic option to be found, then i sometimes you want to think that maybe if washington believed that russia could rely on more active assistance from china that this could push

the biden administration to be more positive about finding peaceful options. i don't know. whether according to you it is such a little bit also such you know the scholastic reasoning. uh, if plastic is part of diplomacy that's right. yes, but if it were like this, then maybe this one would have turned out, and if you know how in gogol's play marriage yes, it seems to me that here uh? americans do a statement that they do not see signs of direct e-e assistance to china in the military way of russia in ukraine such statements. china is certainly being reassured. e, to be substituted for , china does not want any sanctions and we will not need it either, that is, the current situation, when china firstly shows an understanding of the historical roots, as i already

said on your program and the political prerequisites of what is happening on ukraine a, secondly. hmm what. which, it seems to me, is very important, i don’t see any signs of china revising its price, but it’s not and demand. no, we are now going to talk in connection with berlin with the deputy on instagram from the alternative for germany party evgeniy evgeniya thank you so much, we are always glad to see you. say good evening. tell us what happened today at the stage on the supply of electric power leopards to ukraine but there was a debate in the bundestag, that is, a debate regarding the supply of tanks, the opposition represented by the christian democrats is increasing pressure on the ruling coalition, which also

does not have a unanimous opinion on this issue and requires immediate delivery. uh, leopards 2 to the territory of the conflict in ukraine, that is, there were debates from our party. e, spoke from our faction. e , a petarbist, he explained. uh, let's say to the assembled deputies that, uh, what kind of consequences this kind of policy can have that uh, probably, uh, all those people who take part in this kind of initiatives have forgotten what is diplomacy? and in general, how diplomacy does, so i had to explain on the fingers of a literal explanation where germany is leading this kind. eh? militarization and inflation of ukraine weapons well, the second point, which i would also like to touch upon. it was today. uh,

we have a new defense minister in the bundestag. that is, he was there, uh, uttered an oath oath, uh , that uh would uh, faithfully serve the interests of the german people, but i suspect that he will not be able to keep this oath for a long time, because, as we know, he immediately flew to him his colleague from america, er, in order to already put pressure on the new secretary of defense in the plans. uh, that is, on the topic of deliveries of leopards in ukraine, that is, the pressure is giant precisely on the eve of ramstein meeting and i think that the new minister of defense will still cave in, uh, something that they could not do with the old one. that is, she, uh, as a result, was forced to retire will be done with the new mr. defense of germany, eugene. that's besides the sucker and the faction. who else is against this kind of approach, uh, more widely, not a cleopard, but a permanent

armament of ukraine well, let's just say that only our faction took an unambiguous position. uh, all the other uhs are quite aggressive towards the russian federation and are of the same opinion in terms of supplies, uh, technicians and the military and also financing of ukraine the only party of the left, uh, who also happen to be, uh, are seen in such critical uh remarks about the government. as for conflicts, but, unfortunately, unfortunately, both the ruling coalition and the largest opposition in the person of the christian democrats. they will take a rather aggressive stance, despite all the negative consequences that germany has already faced thanks to. that's just such a broad involvement of the country in the conflict is here and uh,

energy cost. the carriers of e, that is, the growing inflation in the country, and even the money, the funds that the country allocates. uh, in ukraine it is clear that back, and she will never get them. that is, while the americans, let's say, provide their assistance in the form of debts, that is, the supply of equipment is underway, everything is leased. everything comes in the form of debts, and again, pressure on the european members of the nato bloc in order for them to pay. uh, or they gave assistance to ukraine free of charge, respectively, there is some fear that the money of the europeans will simply be spent on paying for american military aid. so that kind of fear. they are really serious, as i understand it, uh, chancellor holtz still says that he is not

ready to exhibit leopards in ukraine if the united states does not supply everything to ukraine and, as i understand it, the administration, until such supplies are ready, your prediction of the ring will change its position tomorrow to agree to supply leopards. you know, it's hard to make predictions, shall we say? uh, what's going to happen tomorrow, but anyway i sure that germany will succumb to the pressure that sooner or later? uh, those countries that are now actively pressing, as well as those members of the coalition, i mean, even the green party and the free democrats. they are actively in favor of providing ukraine with heavy german tanks. that is, in this regard, scholz. uh, you can say he is cornered, so he won’t be able to sit there for a long time; in any case, he will ever have to succumb to pressure. another

thing that is going on, most likely. eh, some bargaining. uh we only see what we say goes uh for media here that information, uh, nevertheless there is some bargaining, uh and scholz. apparently you are trading for yourself for germany some more favorable conditions. again, i would not. remaining the only country that will supply tanks that are actually urgently needed by germany itself, as we know, germany, the german bundeswehr, is very sharply under-equipped, er, with heavy equipment, including tanks, that is, precisely the number of tanks. e combat-ready e in the form of she she is at a catastrophic low level and now supply tanks to ukraine actually nowhere. that is. of course, there are stocks of old obsolete leopard-1 tanks, but no one is talking about them now, that is, we

are talking about the supply of a new modification or fallout 2, and in this regard, germany would not want to expose its own defense ability. please tell me, as far as i understand, and you yourself have now confirmed this, we are talking about those tanks that are in storage with the manufacturer's company, there are about 100 units. in raid metal was first statement of the management of this company. that in order to bring them to a divine appearance , it will take at least a year, and today there has already been a statement that it is possible to quickly bring them into the proper form and put them in ukraine. you can say something, so the question is what is really happening. i think that after all, we are talking about trading some tanks, in what modification, that is, there is a lot of modification of the leopard, 2, that is,

there he underwent significant significant modifications in different years. that have if iran metal and can supply tanks. of course, they will not meet modern requirements, perhaps they will. uh, there will be no modifications, not those that are now , uh, the most relevant, but, let's say, those that the company manages to do in a hurry, that is, all this is all. this is currently the subject of bargaining. it cannot also be ruled out that these ladies will be transferred precisely from the reserves of the bundeswehr itself. and uh, let's say the wound metal will promise to replenish it in the near future. uh, those tanks that were transferred by the bundeswehr to the conflict zone. e not worth it again, forget that, uh, a number of promises were made to those countries that supplied soviet tanks e t-72, uh, that is, the countries of the

eastern blog. that they will be supplied with leopard 2 tanks in return, that is, those countries are also waiting for deliveries, that is, in this regard, germany is not so not so uh, a big espector e for solving this issue, but bidding is going on. let's say they are more political, that is, not based on real possibilities, but based simply on the political surface, because, as i said, germany itself is in dire need. eh, here in tanks e and technical condition. it is completely unsatisfactory from those tampons that are currently in the bunder. and therefore, of course, i would like to first somehow secure my country. in view of the fact that the conflict may someday reach the next next round of escalation. who knows, uh, maybe these

leopard tanks will really be, uh, here they will be used on the territory of the country, that is , the german general is already thinking about this too, therefore, yes, the question is complex and i would not want to tear off those tanks that she herself needs from her own army. well, in ukraine we are talking about modification. uh, the fourth leopard 2,04 a4 a, as for the most modern ones, germany itself has the seventh modification, for example, with only 20 pieces, as far as i know, so uh, really germany itself needs to uh update its armored fleet. i have a question for you of a different kind, it is psychological. that's when i look at relations between russia and germany of course there was a terrible war, but it was in general for a long time, but the last 30 years. well, 35 years, what russia did in relation to germany contributed to its unification, and withdrew

the group of soviet troops from germany, in general, with the minimum requirements of the german country. e was, uh, a reliable trading partner. i am not aware that russia has taken any hostile actions against germany. and ukraine speaks boorishly with the president of germany, officials make some very rude statements about the chancellor himself. who is he so resentfully demanding? well, the main and the main one, and the patron of ukraine, poland also makes some demands to germany, and frankly, not only not very reasonable, but also in its tone. well, it's unclear. uh, if you want, uh, rude in relation to a country that, again, has

done a lot for poland over the past decades. why does this not make any impression on the german political classes and why is there such a rejection of russia and such complete support for ukraine you know, i think, after all, uh, the ruling german political class, it is not quite sovereign, that is, uh here often there is talk that we should show european, show solidarity, show solidarity with nato members, that is, singleness is manifested . uh, with some overseas interests there, and no one ever, uh, speaks openly about german interests, that is. e germany judging by the statements of politicians, it is no longer a sovereign party. that is, maybe e parts of the eu can be parts of euro-atlantic structures, but no one ever says, but their own german

interests. that is it this is here to talk about this is not accepted. uh, politicians behave accordingly, that is, they conduct politics in the interests of some external political forces. eh, let's just say it's in the question. the issue of the ukrainian conflict in the interests of, uh, euro-atlantic forces and so on and always does it all. uh, with such an ideological background like, we are now saving democracy in europe, we are now, uh, helping. uh, those who are in dire need of help help, so we are obliged to no, that is, we are the germans, these are not politicians who make decisions, that is, the germans are obliged to share germans are obliged to tighten their belts germans are obliged here and there, and in the end i don't see any national oriented policy. that is all politics now. it is done for the sake of foreign policy players and in

this regard, of course, very much to me personally. it 's a pity for the country. that is, we are constantly losing ground and already such characters as the former minister, the former ambassador, and now the minister in ukraine that is, he simply allowed himself frankly boorish tortures against the german leadership, and nothing to him for it was not. that is, because germany simply does not pursue its national policy , any country that would have respect for itself, that is, politicians that would have respect, they would simply indicate for 24 hours, uh, this kind of boor, uh, to the exit and so further. that is, nevertheless, all this was tolerated for the sake of the sake of the political agenda dictated from outside and, uh, this ukrainian character. as a result, he got so upset that almost every week he sent here, uh, the leadership of germany and pointed out to interfere in internal affairs

told them what to do and so on and so forth. that is, a completely inadequately insane character. huge to you. thank you and we hope to see you again soon on our program. and the last question to you, thank you, because you were not only the ambassador to china , but you were since the united nations and, uh, we were talking about the confrontation around ukraine, a difficult situation. e between china and japan by the united states. where is the united nations? i want to ask a short, well, complex question. here on this stage of world development, what is the best that russia china can expect from the united nations that they will use their right to veto the security council and will not allow any harsh measures against themselves and their allies or the un can have some

constructive role in particular in regulation of the ukrainian conflict. well , to put it bluntly, i don’t see any constructive role at this stage in terms of the settlement of the ukrainian conflict, as such, from the outside, although some separate questions. with her help, with her involvement, it is possible to solve. well, how is export right there, uh, grain from ukraine and russia although, in general, there is a lot of unfinished work there and the un showed itself in this, well, let's say it's not the best way. eh, everyone knows this one. as for the general situation, let's look at other international organizations everywhere. where there is an advantage, as we say the anglo-saxons, we have to very easily and indeed the right veto in the known world helps and saves. there after all uh americans in order to insist on its decision in the same security council is often no longer necessary. e hmm to achieve, well, not to achieve, but to provoke the use of russia and the right century there are other

mechanisms tools to ensure a majority in voting that allow you to carry out your policy, but, but you know how uh, said hmm cherchen, it seems that democracy will give what it has er bad, but compared to others , all the same. all other options are even worse , the same thing. and there it is, after all, a tribune, where are we and china on those issues that interesting for china and important. eh, i still manage to at least articulate my position, this is the first thing. and the second thing is not only here, but also in other international organizations there is such a thing as the silent majority. the fact is that after all, everyone sees what is happening, everyone sees. uh, the absolutely obvious intolerant things that western countries allow themselves in relation to russia, and no one likes this is another question, that for various reasons they don’t

talk about it out loud, but on the sidelines they also speak about it completely. so i wouldn't underestimate the possibilities. he is even in this difficult situation for us. i very much appreciate the opportunities, and he is especially potential for the current general. i'm afraid it's the balance of power and the situation on the battlefields, they imagined the beautiful and some non-diplomatic agreements will determine how to resolve the entire ukrainian crisis. it's very unfortunate. it's unfortunate. but it's the reality i'm afraid that we have to acknowledge. thank you very much and see you at the great game on the 80th anniversary of the breaking of the siege of leningrad 111 through ladoga is preparing a diversion. come on teach her a lorry to drive according to intelligence

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