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hello girl, my name is natalya ryabchikova, i am a film historian. and today we have a podcast called riesenstein 125, it is dedicated

to the 125th anniversary of the birth of the wonderful soviet world director, teacher theorist sergei mikhailovich eisenstein me name is artyom sopin. hey, i'm a filmmaker. and also i welcome you in the podcast of 125 we will start the conversation with who einstein is and why do we suddenly mark him at all, well, not quite round, yes, then all the same, yes, why is he so important to us, why is he important to history cinema, but for this it is necessary to say, in principle, about the moment when he appeared about where he came from and, in fact, what he did at that moment when he came to cinema eisenstein was born at the very end of the 19th century, when cinema was just- it just started was one of those who in childhood saw for the first time both films and méliès. for example, and for him it was the discovery not only of the films themselves, but also of some new entertainment

, not yet quite art, of course, from einstein in his childhood he was not going to become a cinematographer. yes, there was no such profession in his head. ah, well, he was born into a fairly wealthy family in the city of riga. his father was the chief architect and there were always a lot of books about art around from the inside, and from childhood he loved, uh, to get into some tomes father to consider, and there is an image. in principle, he was terribly fond of reading a person who, from childhood, just learned foreign languages. he learned english , french and german and had to follow his father in his path and become, uh, an engineer-architect. in childhood. at the same time, there were various such strange addictions. he loved books from the history of the french revolution, he was interested in some such cruel sometimes grotesque situations in the past, but er, in general, he himself was not cruel by nature. in

general, he, on the contrary, many remember that in adulthood he was altogether a rather sentimental person at times, and, uh, the same girlfriend from the field of fur coats and famous for such documentary filmmakers said that u met such subtly, sensitive people as sergei mikhailovich was in fact the heyday of all kinds new trends in painting in architecture, and in literature in poetry, and eisenstein was in this and loved to draw from childhood, but did not see himself in this, as in some kind of real continuation of his career, for example, if there had not been a revolution in the seventeenth year, and from eisenstein she got a student, and he said that the revolution made me an artist. first of all, he joined the avant-garde theater, the theater that overlooked the squares, which vno momentary some news from the world of europe america into the inside of the

work of the theater, which absolutely blurred the stage when the theater was something like the current blog. in a way, this is an interesting thought. yes, and, therefore, he went to study, and after he left his institute and fought a little during the civil war. he went to study vsevolod meyerhold, a wonderful director and innovator, and who opposed himself to the art of konstantin stanislavsky a and his student at the same time. in general. here, such a continuity, denial continued this continuity. and when he decided at some point to leave the world of hold, and from einstein breaks the theater. first, he wants to bring e to the stage, and the boxing ring, then he brings e to the stage , circus performances and his own performance, which turns out to be qi. ostrovsky enough for every wise man simplicity in the twenty-third year leads him to the cinema. he cannot but

try to include in his performance, also a movie piece. eh, it's called glumov's diary in the text. for ostrovsky, this is a certain subject that plays a role in the development of the plot. so i decided to take it off. this is a really absolute vlog and uh, he used his love of modern french adventure adventure series to american adventure movies and got his actors. uh, the father in the fantomas, for example, the actor was grigory alexandrov who will become his permanent assistant. and once he will become a famous film director, he believed that the unit of theatrical action, and then any action on the screen. and this attraction is what affects the viewer. this is something that , in fact, may not be related to the plot, as such, but it evokes some kind of feeling, some kind of emotion. even some kind of

physiological effect is produced for eisenstein by an attraction - this is, uh, the actor’s dialect and a firecracker, which he places under the viewer’s chair, in fact, then he specified what he had in mind much broader. and in general, everything that is a track, that is, everything that can affect the viewer, that is, in fact, any artistic medium is an attraction to one degree or another, and the installation of attractions is all about the placement of artistic means, it turns out like this way. generally. this is a catchy wording, which is absolutely in the style of the twenties. e to the thirtieth. he realized that this is, in general, in fact, the desire to reveal, in general, such absolutely universal laws of art. actually installation. this term appears already in the twenty-third year, the montage of attractions will remanufacture foreign films, and the lion, kuleshov whom einstein called his teacher in but he is engaged in clarifying the laws of montage. how do we get information from a comparison of two

frames, and according to kuleshov, according to his experiments, which were later called spectacular kuleshova, this meaning, as it were, is superimposed, like bricks one on another einstein even before he became world wide famous said that his montage is not a connection of meaning, this clash of meaning is a conflict, for example, in the film a strike, he influences the viewer with shots that conflict with each other, even in the sense that some of them are artistic, and some documentaries. he needed to show it somehow on the screen. what is demolition? what is demonstration suppression? he needed to be hurt, did he have that word in his head? how to show a slaughterhouse with montage? it is necessary to break these very influencing show the elements that the workers are dispersed by the tsarist police and show a real real

physical pain, that is, show the slaughtered bull, and here we see the poster of just this film, this is the first film from eisenstein and, in fact, eisenstein's reflection on historical events began at the same time with it. it's interesting that when we start talking about montage. some other things are immediately connected, if you are working with short pieces, for example, if you encounter them, what is inside these pieces or who is inside these pieces, kina he was interested in the soviet avant-garde. not just art, as such, he was interested in constructing art and life through this, but the connection of pieces. and if a is a person in our frame, then we must immediately understand who this person is, the type theory appears. this manifesting brings darkness is never necessary. we see the mass in a short separate frame, that is, not completely static, but in some separate frame we see the hero and we may

not see him anymore, but we understand what kind of person he is, what biography he has according to his appearance, because how he holds himself, because how he is dressed, that is , depending on how he shows himself, how he sees, for example, a teacher. yes, yes, we immediately understand what kind of person this allowed us to call actors not actors. and you even bring your own mother to potemkin. he liked to remember that his mother also participated there, but he also used editing for other purposes. it was interesting for him to push apart time and push apart space such analytical constructions that are akin, perhaps, but not i know about the murders and his most famous, probably, a piece from bialystok. potemkin odessa stairs. it's built the way he likes it. to speak, but it is absolutely unrealistic. yes, if, as he said as a student, if it were as long as i showed it, here in the action that

is happening to me. it would stretch from odessa to romania to where the rebellious battleship actually goes. and we have some pictures here, including those of the russian federation for the wonderful provided these shots and it’s important it’s very important in general, construction, it is made from einstein not in order to distort events, not in order to create something from reality, obviously, not existing, but vice versa, in order to figuratively most convexly show what is really took place on the odessa stairs, for example, we see e as uh, the protesters are running up the stairs. we see their faces. we see people's faces , and from the other side. we see only the boots of these same cossacks who are marching down. muddy, uh, without thinking, following this cruel, uh, murderous order and

uh famous story about how out of eisenstein. eh, after many, many years they told about how e was shown in america in some small cinema. uh, the battleship potemkin, and uh, he was surprised to learn that there was only one spectator. once taken out. just in hysterics almost hall. this man sobbed. uh, and uh, couldn't stop. and then. uh, hmm, the owner of this little movie theater asked. but what happened? why did your loved ones suffer so painfully there, perhaps you yourself were on that very staircase, to which the weeping man replied no. he was one of those cossacks who walked and fired at unarmed people. and in general, just when he saw this film, he saw people's faces up close, although they were already there. knives, of course, the film was shot 20 years later , only then did he realize his guilt, only then did he realize that the order that he was executing

was terrible, when, for example, the film was shown in europe they said, but the actors spoke here from the moscow art theater participate yes, but let's say, and we know that the ship's doctor the local gardener was playing, whom they found, they saw in him the squint that they needed for this role on the other side of one of the most , brutal officers plays, that's nothing less than a regular actor, and from the members' theater of paralytic cult grigory alexandrov , the future master, and the musical stalinist. yes , there are no mkhatovites in the film, well, of course, therefore there are no mkhatovites there . we have gone dark. we need to say. actually, how did it develop, and we talked about eisenstein's first film, it was about, but the events before the revolution. it was so new it is interesting that he is assigned to make a large state order to make a film for the twentieth anniversary of the first russian

revolution of 905. and an idea. actually it consists in showing on such a large-scale film what has been happening since 2005 in the russian empire. we can say that in general it was e that time. uh, when there were no such orders that could not be refused, that is, uh, and in general, the soviet government was not yet so straightforward, there was not yet stalinist hegemony, the so-called yes personality cult, and therefore, in general, then these tasks were faster for him. just really curious. he therefore took with in the posters, where there is already the name of the heroes. sapotenkin. actually, sometimes this is 1905 , but it suddenly turned out that the deadline is much closer than it seems, and in the summer of 25. they went to shoot in leningrad, the weather did not indulge and it was decided. one fragment of a small 12 lines in the libretto by nina gadzhinovy ​​shutko where the action unfolded around bruce potemkin and from these lines

in the libretto in such a treatment, but a scenario, a from stein he built a whole film, which was accepted, which, uh, they kind of nodded, but the tasks were completed on time, praised. and in general, they were ready to forget, and here the interesting begins, because in the soviet union it was perceived at first. like the majority, of course, not all, like such an order, which uh, for show, let's say so, of course uh, people who immediately appreciated colleagues. yes, because actually, when the film came out, there was a very curious cut of responses. uh, directly in the winter of 25-26 , when in the newspaper cinema uh, on the one hand his friends and peers, young, even younger, his young avant-garde artists are completely grigory koznits. from leningrad, uh, dali’s review is good in just three syllables, but on the other hand, leningradsky is also the director

of the older generation, alexander ivanovsky, on the contrary. e wrote in the spirit that e. in general, here. eh, the picture, of course, is done correctly, but to a young man. we still have to study and study. in general, shooting is really because of brevity. they were almost spontaneous on the other hand. uh, born from these few lines of script from einstein, uh, still couldn't afford to shoot without a script at all. he arrived, uh, to the south, he locked himself in the room for several days, and uh, he wrote down a fairly detailed frame-by-frame scenario, which is a wonderful story, and linkon konstantinovich kozlov. the movie was already published in the thaw only years until the thaw there was a legend that supposedly there was no script and, in general, spontaneous filming was often offered indeed. an interesting decision and in the process of film production, uh, because the question arose of where to find the battleship itself, because the potemkin battleship

was not the most authentic by that time, but then two identical potemkin battleships and the battleship of 12 apostles were released. and here is the battleship of the 12 apostles by the mid-twenties . uh, u still existed, but he just stood in the bay and he could never swim anymore . it was just that it was in such a technical condition that here is the only frame in the film and we can also watch fragments from the film. uh about how uh, here uh, looks like a deck then there is, this is the only point from which they were not visible. uh, rocks all around. uh, only in this version, however, in the frame there is one single shot with uh, an armadillo in its entirety , this frame, but this frame. hey, this is a layout. e, because, accordingly, the infusion. it was possible to shoot only in this way, respectively, the layout. here it was, uh, delivered. yes, in the sandunov baths and

there, uh, this wonderful shot was taken. in addition, he also used their chronicle, and some warships, which caused even official indignation, statements seem to england when everyone was interested in the question. why are there such wonderful warships in the soviet state that we see? and in one of the frames of the film and eisenstein knew about this, he knew about this request , it made him very happy, because in fact, he took the old chronicle of the english fleet, but uh, here is important. story. not only uh, photographic. well, it's very important. this is the very model of historical processes that took place in different decades and in different countries. actually. why potemkin here uh, these uh, wonderful discoveries that einstein made, they were not only aesthetic, but also

these were important. right to respect. for not being fed. with this very wormy meat of people, that this is unacceptable for the existence of a person and unacceptable, uh, to mock people is unacceptable, and to treat them like slaves. and in general, this one here, and the protest against humiliation is absolutely universal diets. not even a communist idea. this is not an idea. this soviet idea is precisely the general civilizational world of any. yes, that is, this is, uh, such a general humanistic idea , absolutely, by the way, correlating with the idea of ​​​​e russian literature of russian culture of the 19th century. uh, that is, the idea of ​​​​compassion for a small person, which we know, uh, in gogol, which we know about a turgenev and this, in general, eisenstein absolutely continues, that is, despite the fact that the avant-garde is again somehow, like

overcame many phenomena of the xix century. uh, dropped them from the ship of modernity. actually. uh. they didn't throw the baby out with the water. they only e water. eh, the forms were changed, but the child, that is, specifically humanistic, but the positions were preserved and therefore it is so important here. this is the finale of the meeting with the squadron, when we see this solidarity, the image of brothers actually reappears. let's look at how here, once raised, and the guns of the admiral 's squadron again. e. here, they first rise, we see how the sailors are worried. and actually in the credits. we see shot or almost hitchcockian suspense here. uh, all the spectators are waiting for what will be shot the rebellious potemkins or not, and the exclamation of the brothers gives us to understand that no, that the admiral squadron skips potemkin and

lowers it. eh, dularudy. it's very important here. this solidarity, when people do not shoot at each other, because they understand that human life is the main value, and in general, these are the most seemingly banal things, but they are always worth reminding and zinshteina reminded her of them film on different continents in different countries in different decades and e. despite all the confrontations that were between the soviet union and e, bourgeois, as europe used to say then, and nevertheless, potemkin absolutely confused these confrontations, because e, he e showed that the main thing is the value of human life and uh, this is solidarity and uh, the absence of this fear of the uh admiral, there is some other someone, when these sailors saw the potemkins in front of them, they realized that they they can't shoot at them. he leaves, but we know that he will be arrested, but, but this is not shown in the film, it is shown in the film

that potemkin leaves proudly, flying a red flag. and uh, here is this rush to freedom, with which the film ends, and this is important. by the way, as for the red flag, unfortunately, in those e-copies that we can now show. uh, the flag does not look painted, because it was painted by hand on the film by the very original films, and in which the flag was painted, they did not reach us and it is known that from eisenstein, uh, how times uh hmm to the first copy even e u- he himself with his assistants. we were discussing how to color the flag. and then they already entrusted it, and the editors who did it, in general, should be told that when kinu had just appeared at the very beginning of the 20th century, then many films were tried to be completely painted by hand. it looked rather rudely lippy, but nevertheless, those technical employees who did it in the twenties are still natural. they were alive and worked in the cinema. and just those people who already had such experience, who are there in

98-910 hand-colored entire films. uh, it was they who were brought in to paint. uh, this very red flag, it’s generally curious how cinema is in it, uh, cinema gradually lost color. these are fully colored frames. here are these olubish ones in the ninth or tenth years, then in the middle of the tenths. eh, the frame began to be painted entirely in some one tone. and by the way, for example, the strike is the first film of eisenstein released on the so-called network. that is, he was, uh, one, painted in such an even beige tone, a potemkin. b. general something here eisenstein, on principle, just refused to color films. in general, this was important, because, uh, you have to remember that in the mid-twenties, most films were still painted in some kind of tone. and here we are on these posters. and we see, for example, that, for example , potyomkin is adjacent to films with a title. so, and under the black wing, these are such adventure films or

melodramas, the famous du pont rita, uh. in general, they were all painted in a business matte , it was important that potemkin be pure black and white. it was tougher. image. it was more of an uh, sympathetic decision to show it was. here is a chronicle stylization. eh, it is the fundamental rejection of color throughout the film and the concentration of color. only here are some such red ones, but these accents, because the red flag. he's red as blood. the number one remedy for the pain of spasm and inflammation with headaches and other types of pain pentalgin will do without pain maestro burger coupons for 169 rubles. at kfc pick

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the fact that in the frames not only how they are combined, but also how the entire film is organized as a whole, here is the red flag. one of these rides. another one was supposed to be the finale of the film at the premiere of na this solemn meeting, and in honor of the twentieth anniversary since the time of the first russian revolution. but what he didn’t think about, but the nose of an armadillo is like this, tearing, approaching the camera, and such a dark wing is a dark corner that was supposed to, but physically tearing the screen further dispersed, as if in his imagination these halves of the screen, like a curtain, dispersed curtain and this one turned out on the stage, and a festive table for meetings with e own people who survived that time and e such it's a showman's decision, unfortunately. i did not

work out, but did not have time. they had to prepare it , only this final one remained. e frame e of the armadillo's nose, but nevertheless it was organized. a big premiere in the artistic cinema, where the very facade of the cinema was. eh, processed. uh, an armadillo design was created. the whole team of coppeldiners and the people who handed out the tickets, checked the tickets, handed out programs, but were dressed in a sailor's uniform, and we even have the penetrating footage from this premiere. it really was. here. uh, a public event that was interesting enough to waste tape on. and what was it in general, despite the fact that he was an avant-garde artist who seemed to despise such a commercial cinema, a commercial direction from eisenstein, while very fond of, uh, avant-garde solutions that looked bright, that looked very visually interesting. they worked in silence, but actually. that in itself determined. the desire to think in images and

to, by the way, to read between the lines, because er not my cinema is much more multi-variant in its e meaning and darkly multi-variant is also the genre. which is interesting, because uh hmm often cinema. eh, they're driving. here in such a set of genres, you know, like on kinopoisk when everything is there, either a drama, or an action movie, or something else the same, but in general, uh, potemkino can be perceived from different points of view from einstein himself, then brilliant will analyze how the tragedy in the nooses is an absolutely classic tragedy. e construction and by the way, sinstein's absolutely classic article on the structure of things, where he shows. eh, it’s just clear how this work works, how it is perceived is another matter, which is sometimes importantly attributed to the fact that he supposedly at first thought everything out absolutely rationally, in fact, as we were convinced by potemkin. this was not the case, and rationally conceived texts of rational analysis arose. only 14 years after

the shooting of the film, uh, it's another matter that there can be different interpretations of uh, wonderful stories, cinema cinema branch of naukevich. kleiman, for example, offers an interesting genre interpretation. uh, remember that eisenstein he was fond of ancient theatrical forms and one can perceive potemkin as a mystery play, because, uh, what were the mysteries in the middle ages. this is a reproduction of e any e biblical scenes so that viewers in the middle ages could relate themselves to them when it is played out in front of them. eh, they emotionally perceive a certain biblical story as taking place here and now and feel their involvement. similarly , in the twenties, when the revolution had already happened, a new myth was created, a revolutionary myth was created, and here it was important not the myth in the sense that it is put upside down in order to fool someone. and here, in the sense of e, it is important to feel

ownership of this really significant opposition between oppression and freedom, he actually, e, used everything that was suitable to create the impression that was needed here is the very montage attractions. he used the term field genre. here for this combination of different genres of visual work and in the same darkness, for example, here, and at the time when avant-garde directors said that we need a mass hero, not love triangles. yes, in the same potemkin, viktor borisovichsky saw just a love triangle and said about it from einstein. and you know that in fact he made the same triangle, but on a different material. how is it done for which viktor borisovich, known for his wit, said, well, how do you have an armadillo, you have it , the city mass, and the population that supports it, they are separated by the tsarist troops, yet it’s directly logical on the other hand. and we for stein, he told the students what he

used, and the editing techniques and structure e in the final wester on the american of what was absolutely, e, the mass cinema of the twenties, thanks to the nep, leads us very widely, of course, he himself watched it his audience watched it , but he said, i used it so that no one guesses. i moved the editing structure. here is the acceleration of parallel editing, which was developed by griffith for the tenth year of their idol american director. yes, i took this structure, but transferred it to these very ships that rush towards each other, and we don’t know, and how it will all end, in principle, we called such a formation american montage, and in america they will call it russian montage, because only thanks to soviet cinema will i understand this and we remind you that natalya ryabchikova artyom sobin and we are talking in

the studio of film critics natalya ryabchikova as part of the thesisenstein 125 podcast. i would like to return to this moment, and we talked a little about the perception of potemkin. eh, colleagues, but everything somehow calmed down, colleagues showed they spoke out, calmed down further, and the film went to germany where? well, in general it was. e, the center for e-connection, e, of soviet cinema with the world and, in principle, soviet culture of the economy of politics, even eisenstein, e, went to the tournament at the beginning of the twenty-sixth year, to prepare a version of e editing and with new captions, so that bourgeois censorship is still some -what. i would like, of course, but he did not stay for the premiere and therefore did not see it. what delight this film caused , telegrams began to arrive in moscow, then letters that put soviet officials from cinematography in a kind of bewilderment, because , well, germany is a fullario. the mood seems to be yes, uh, but the film is not successful in working-class

neighborhoods, where it was supposed to be successful, but in bourgeois neighborhoods it is watched. the european intelligentsia, they are admired by people who should not have admired, and it was so strange. uh, the feeling that uh, in general, played on the creation of the myth, yes, caused by the director, how he achieved this yes, universal values, but people who go to watch the darkness go to watch prejudice in the same berlin they perceive it primarily as a film about the russian revolution. they know exactly what they are for the soldiers and against the sailors, and uh, such a biometric description of the perception of such a viewer, prejudiced, has been preserved in the novel of millions of fires. he 's just writing down for a certain general who sits down. he knows who he is, but in

the process he begins to worry about being a sailor. he is driven by some emotion. he is almost crying, it is described in such detail that the fechtwanger clearly understood what was going on in cinema hall at this moment, with uh and talent from einstein and his appeal to the very humanistic common values ​​that outweigh when he reminds them and uh, it is important that in the twenties eisenstein and in other films. hey, i tried too. in general, well, it’s not that he called for mercy for the fallen, but rather he strove to directly socially help people, you can remember the film, the general line of the village artels, uh, in which uh, even uh there was such a nep principle. this was long before the organization of collective farms. it was exactly the desire to help the peasants show them how. to organize themselves in order to earn money, to sell, to improve the conditions of their life and work. and it was absolutely like that. uh,

the human oriented idea is another thing while the movie was being shot. it so happened that at that moment collectivization began, the opposite, and, in general, the film. unfortunately, censorship altered it, and it began to be called the old new one. this is a separate, long story. and uh, which was traumatic for eisenstein, in general, because it was his first such serious clash with censorship. eh, when, in general, once again he wanted to show this idea of ​​self-organization of people, then, of course, the biggest clash with censorship, which we cannot but mention. these are the stories of ivan the terrible; there are not only many significant e expressive shots showing this here, uh, the same pompousness . yes, for example, at the end we see this famous spectacular, but profile. uh, when uh cherkasov leans over uh, crowd here with this prison, he looks at how officers once looked with contempt at the sailors. again, this motif of e, oppression and, on the other hand, such a sadistic

self-affirmation of the tsar and e from einstein shoots ivan the terrible in the forties. he conceived this double empire, and he completed it just after the war, that is, in those years when e stalin e, absolutely strengthened in his cult, and, in general, lezzenstein. it was the most important civic act itself. he knew that stalin would watch this film and stalin was really looking forward to this film and to show that e formidable - this is a monster, that grozny is an absolutely destructive figure, because a man who imagines himself to be absolutely such a god on earth is a man who believes that he can decide fate left and right. this is e man who ceased to be a man, in fact, e for eisenstein. this was the most important statement, which, as you know, led to the ban, the second series and e. as a result, the film came out after many years, or rather 10 years after his death, already from eisenstein was not alive and therefore ivan

the terrible, of course, still became one of the main works of art of the 20th century and one of the most courageous civil deeds in general in the history of the 20th century, perhaps, but today we are watching potemkin itself. and why is it important to see it, why is it interesting, what is interesting to us in addition to its civic position, in addition to its position as a theoretician and potemkin's teachers, this seems to me such a maximum movie to the maximum. and from einstein at this moment he thinks about how to engage the viewer entirely with emotions, and the physiology of feeling the mind and its audience are a person who, perhaps, is not even going to watch his film, but he sits down and allows himself. and to be imbued with this and he is a co-creator from einstein actually means i am, despite the fact that he is often called such a director-dictator. yes, he didn’t

say a movie theater we need a movie fist. what he wants to say is born in the head of the viewer, his films are a textbook for reflection. generally. never cease to be, unfortunately, relevant those uh, the calls for mercy are those calls for solidarity that u are contained in this film and it is absolutely non-violent. it really is. this is the desire to reflect on how historical springs unfold, and uh, at the same time it is done in such a very expressive concentrated form, because really that is from the huge idea of ​​​​the film of the revolution of the fifth year. e, brings the darkness focused on one episode, thus he became exactly like such a polished diamond, and therefore for many years after the film e, does not cease to excite and be. film critic artyom, film history natalya ryabchikova, a podcast from einstein 125, was interesting for you and me, goodbye. all the best.

this is a podcast, paws podcast psyche. my name is natalya loseva and today i, together with my co-leading clinical psychologist, are a candidate of psychological sciences. michael khors. i will help our guest konstantin erokhin understand what is happening in his family, what is happening with children and why relations are not building up. father of many children. how many children are you? well, as i say, in the overall standings i have five children. what is that two children that i am now raising, that we live. these are children, my

second wife from a previous relationship. yes. these are two boys. well, we believe that they come actively already in this adolescence. and, of course, this red light is already on somewhere. that there are some moments when the child is already starting to act differently from the way you see him or not the way you have a model of behavior there for an ideal child. wait, here's the main problem. what is the problem only in these two children. because you still have children in common, so you understand, this is a wife. there is also a child from his first marriage. yes, we have two children together. and i also have a child from my first marriage , a daughter, but the problem is precisely connected with these children, who are biologically non-native to you , there are problems not so much even with children , but in understanding how to properly raise them. how to relate the biological father there, for example, and how to relate them to children with my child from

first relationship, that is. well, plus here inside, so to speak to the family. they also turn out to be water, but this is a question of such a general plan or is there something that does not let you sleep, you are nervous. because of this, you will be out of yourself because of this you are worried that the problem is. what do you know now? the problem here is not even in children. but in the understanding that you are enough every day. it's hard, that is, you invest in children. you have four children there, you bring them up, that is, from morning to evening, in principle, you no free time. yes? i get up, there at 7:00 in the morning i’m already walking and leading them to the garden. yes, we go to bed. we are there at 11, laying down there, then some other bottles of someone there, you feed me yourself to the youngest child of 9 months, so in general, this situation is difficult to get, and at some point you get the feeling that you think why this one , is it right? i do what i need to do to educate these kids. this is not the first time you have. eh, is the word right? uh-huh and what is right for you? here, do i educate them correctly how to behave with them correctly, what is it correctly understand what it is some kind of

subconscious? yes, the concept is correct, that is, it is something that is. well, how can i say, from a position, so that they are successful, so that they are very importantly happy, so that i do not inflict any kind of injury on them. it may be their behavior there, yes, somehow, so that this is initially such a position that they seem to be like my children and not mine. yes, they are like me. they call dads, that is, we decided so, and they want dads from their father, so that this would not be, how to say, would not harm their psyche and so that later, too, here with us as parents, so that it doesn’t work out, you know, it is now customary in society, as if, well, let’s say, not to welcome when a man is raising other people’s children there. well, at least, here are many men, they think that this is some kind of stigma there, yes, that is, let's just start with your first request not to harm the children. yes, yes, but it’s impossible to reconcile yourself with the fact that some of your actions to your children, whether to foster relatives, or will hurt you. the world is so

arranged that the upbringing of children. yes, it consists from two parts. with some of our actions, we inflict and inflict some injuries on men in their lives, and with some of our actions we give them tenderness, love for supporting the support of opportunities. if you're trying to raise kids, that's the only way. and you deny. well, it's your human right to make mistakes somewhere. somewhere means to injure your children. you are essentially yourself personally yes, and your spouse, most likely, become neurotic. now you know right from the first words, apparently, now we are moving to the real problem. yes, what am i holding back, i endure there or something i do, and then it just happens to me. well, let's say a mini breakdown. yes, we just understand, mikhail, that konstantin does not finish speaking, he is now trying in general terms to give such a correct dad with

average statistical correct problems. although in reality the problem is much more acute. she is specific. yes, and it seems to me that this problem is connected precisely with these two boys, and the fact that i caught the son of the biological father so, well, yes, including now this property is now clean. tell me what's going on with you it turned out that at the beginning of our relationship. yes , when my wife and i got married, a and i decided for a long time, but at some point i decided to call their biological father to talk to him and set up contact. yes, that is, the unknown always frightens me conditionally. i mean, i don't know who it is. i don't understand. what kind of things are there, for example, what kind of views does she have on children, how does he want to raise them, that is. well, i had some kind of request, how would i understand? but what kind of person and how to communicate with him? yes, i called and in general did not find. well, to put it mildly, i did not find response. yes, no mistake. no. you see , this is the action itself. it is not a mistake . yes, it's just an action question.

with what motivation? yes, if i ask you now why you called, you can answer this question. well, i guess i'm just going to give an example with my husband. my first wife, we have a great relationship. we correspond with him there, we have some business. you, that is, we discuss how we are there. it's all about the child. he writes to me, that is, in my opinion, this is a good partnership relationship. that is, when they would start they called and said, but how? well, here's something they thought. we are there baby. somehow met and passed. well, we somehow laughed there, you know, when it was friendly on both sides. i mean, hello there, how are you? hey, in our case, why did you call? well, it was also important for me to make some kind of comfortable one. i don’t know, maybe for me this is the atmosphere that is comfortable for me so that i understand what is happening, for example, yes, well, maybe not to be friends. well , you understand that around, as it were, that there is conditionally no risk, there is no danger. yes what doesn't hide there? some kind of malice? don't know. well , you understand, as it were, but you would like to get some kind of ideal picture. yes, how did you fantasize these relationships for yourself and for some reason you

deny the right of people, but to have this very anger is a conflict among themselves. well, this is so bad, and then look. they turned out to be completely different configurations in that case, yes, but konstantin is calling, and his ex's new spouse, yes, and now they have switched roles. yes, and perhaps, here the man is the biological father of his sons. he still called yes, he is still psychological injured. divorce and here you are such a winner, i call and start to dominate like that. let's be friends. well, maybe, i think that i was quite correct, but now you have said how this situation might look. i didn’t think about it, our general conversation was ugly and from the position of this man, and indeed. well, to be honest, i didn’t try other attempts, they are beautiful, well, how would they tell me that don’t mind your own business, that you can only conditionally give birth to a girl. yes, they told me, well, of course, it was

like that, i don’t know, but for some reason it hurt me hurt me. after that, i even said to say it, because when i have, uh, i thought the second child should have a boy for some reason, but i had a girl. i remember that i have this effect, that i even sat and cried in the car for 10 minutes. for some reason , when i found out, now i'm laughing. well, apparently you know this, as if some kind of psychological maturation there. and here it seems like the boys are ready. yes, and you are ready to become them. than dad, but is something stopping you? yes, i will say that it interferes, yes, this is an attempt to become real dad. well, you won’t become their real dad, that you suddenly decided that you, too, are their dad, you really take this position, it’s not bad, it’s not good. she is really your attempts to be a father here is real. as a result, everything and destabilizes this situation. they come. they seem to have a real father there, and here is another real father, who was not from them either, yes, it turns out that it is called

a bridge, why do you force two men to consider children as fathers? well, yes, that's why there was actually a request. eh, konstantin , that's it, there's dad, and here are the bones or thanks konstantin. that's the fact that we are here and there communication has become better. that is, he sees that here are the children, how would it also become conditionally pulled up, right? and more often brothers, well , here they are, as it were, happy there? yes, but i don’t know, i don’t undertake to discuss it, but you see that everything is fine here, but there, too , activity seems to be increasing. that is , we see some kind of help there, that children are taken. there on a holiday already wins. there is more to it, my friends. well, you know , folk wisdom, we hint at a proven one. yes that, uh, dad is not the one who gave birth or mom, yes, on the other hand, the one who raised, you see, here competing again, you can ask these children washes. well, conditionally, we are also partly there, when they get sick 80 sit, of

course, do your homework here, well, i drive schools, yes, they walk, of course, 10 times more, of course, why is he investing so much of himself both emotionally and in terms of time michael why can't he call you papa to these kids just because the wrong sperm. excuse me please, well for example, so that's enough. enough big reason you understand what's the difference? how to name let them not call you dad. why do you need this why the position of the stepfather is bad? well, i'll just explain. uh, we just have two more our children and we wanted our family to be conditionally closed, so that there would be no one calling kostya and someone dad , so that other children would not have questions. why so bad. what is there to say? is there dad here? kostya well, we intuitively acted in this situation, as it were, maybe i'm more like that, well, how to say such a feminine position, but i wanted

children not to have this, so that they feel that they are children, such as real loved ones, and they, as it were, are not real, conditionally, their children's real lives. well, you are trying them, she is somewhere on the clouds with unicorns, it means to grow. yes, real life is different. well, let's talk about it, and this is a podcast of the psyche and thoughts of the leading clinical psychologist mikhail, we disassemble it quite difficult. in the situation of the father of many children, konstantin, what is wrong with real life in real life? it's just like that. yes, i have, stepfather. there is a father, there are children from different marriages. they will somehow interact, and an attempt, therefore, to call a stepfather a father is an attempt, and to tell one child that you are all here means the same. this is what leads to the fact that children live, well, fantasy, he does not say that you do not have a biological dad. papa denis, papa, we have bones there, as it were,

right? well, here we are. well, well, just don't try to be a real father to them. i 'm sure you'll get it in time. and you demand it right now here right away so that everything has changed michael had one more caveat. i would like you to help the bone deal with it. you said it neuroticizes your spouse. i would have heard about these disruptions from the other side. well , you just try to do a lot there and then conditionally. i'm like now, damn it. you want some sort of reward for this. yes? from whom? i don’t know, well, to be praised there or something, or later or vice versa, you understand? what do you need? well, that is now just through the severity of you yes. you seem to be trying to prove to yourself, yes, what are you doing so much, there is so much and i don’t know how to explain it. well, that is , somehow you want, this is praise from and from my wife, i don’t know, you know, who has a request for this external respect. what kind of people do i want?

if a person does not have his own respect for himself, he constantly expects this respect from the outside, both, and vice versa, if a person is full of this self-sufficiency with such a self, especially male, in principle, it doesn’t matter what they call him, how its respected as right relate know when i can say that illustrates even from what it managed to tell, what this one illustrates. well , you can say the diagnosis. yes, if he is talking to michael when you gave us such your evasiveness, this is actually nonsense. yes, when he says some man, it doesn’t matter who says you give birth to only girls and only girls are born to you. so you are not a man. you're the underdog there. yes? and why do you think so that you cried? when did you have a daughter? well , what is it, that is, it was not connected. it's like that, yeah you are not sure, yes, that instead of praising yourself and crying, and the main question is not that konstantin e does not have this

high level of selfhood, yes, which in this situation would help you a lot. yes, because i really, excuse me, i do not believe that with a man who is raising your first own daughter. here, everything is just fine and the gardens of eden are blooming wonderfully. well, i just don't believe it. that's all. there are probably some of your inner stories too. here, but because, well, excuse me, he is your daughter every day educates. well, here i am just calm. for some reason, i'm like this the question is not what it is, but the second question is what to do. i agree, but the ideal one that you would like to achieve in a relationship, sochi to you, your first daughter and with the biological father of your adopted children. although i will walk. yes, yes, i agree. well, i don't know. that's when i think that my

husband and i are epicly excellent there. i'd rather have something good. well, what can i, well, just write to ask. he may also ask something, we we can share something there. they live abroad right? it's kind of independent of this, that it's very dependent. they live far away from you, no one takes away this daughter many times. she already lives there. well, yes. you do not share a daughter, because you are now the circumstances are divided. they live abroad. you still understand that for many reasons, you cannot compete with him for who the girl will be with, that 's all the circumstances. perhaps, but here, as males, you put up with your rights and your time and your influence on these two unfortunate boys. your daughter calls her stepfather, her dad doesn't. and if i called honestly, well, probably, i would not like it, and you are waiting for another man. yes, understanding, although, well, somehow, but he also probably thinks, so he manipulates my children, makes

them call himself such a dad easily. maybe, well, i agree for this and we need some kind of support. there is a conditionally minimal connection, or what, to maintain? no, it does not support you want to be supported with it? well we're afraid it will affect how there would be some. well, how would it affect the diet. well, it's good that it will affect the children. when, for example, he said that, uh, like, if one more time, like, you call her dad there, i won't take you. yes, that is, it was well known from the children. mom, they shared with mom, well, you understand the model of behavior, that is, you need to change the psyche with garlic grass, so to speak, but it injures the child. he says i wo n't take you. if you call him, dad, you will jump and try to somehow arrange their lives so that they don’t have injury. hello, we agreed. this is real life in children will be traumatized. i do

not call for a special one to apply them. but if this moment is now easy to cover. at what age they will grow up 18 years old, they won’t understand, maybe, but when they are 10 years old they can’t be given, as if the whole amount of information about life there, in addition, once you found out that dad said such, well, not a very smart thing , what else were some more examples shared something with him. and we went there there, he says, it’s not for me interesting, like, they say, there, daddy doesn’t love you this word, but they tell me, that is, like a child. papa pumps up negatively initially yes and well, maybe i agree, yes, that, probably, the pope has the right. he, most likely, is going through hard this divorce and separation from children mikhail well then, please tell me, that's all. i think that you are not quite sincere when you say so cynically that you stop hanging around children. i am sure that you are actually the kind of person who thinks how to take care of children from excess herbs. here is how, in the interests of the world of

goodness and these children, konstantin behaves correctly when the children come and say, here is papa kostya again about you, my dad, he said, this and that, but they don’t tell me, you know, this is mom finds out later, as if okay has the right. i will not offend him for this, but i think we are trying. why are we saying that this is not, well, as if everyone has the right. well, of course, to the right. i'm not offended. it's ok. now i see what konstantin is thinking. how can i be even better. how can i be even more correct so that these the kids have finally made a choice, right? brother, i think, here i did something bad and i think, here i am, and so and so bad, for example, i shouted there. well, conditionally he cursed there, he gave a slap on the back of the head. yes, as it were, even later to come up with it, and so here it is, well, as if you begin to blame yourself for this, when, as it were, there are no conditionally some third parties in this story. it's solid, but your child is there. yes, you will survive yes from a friend, yes these

children are not yours, and they tell you it's you our dad is not real. that is, you think, that is, how client treat them the truth, you have no right to educate me. so you need something to parry correctly, if you and i calculated. yes, for example, so here is the event. why maybe? i don't like them there. do i love them, for example, you understand? i think for myself, that is, i do not convince, or i seem to be myself, what is it? well, do you understand this , you have excessive reflection? well, honestly , reflection is an excessive overdemanding to oneself. well, i have to love them like family. well, i 'll say, so i had parents in the family a divorce, after which, as it were, i can still say that, well, not everything has recovered for me. yes, i was an adult. i was 20 years old. but i think that's how it would be for me . you know how the whole glass ball collapsed. yes, i have an injury. well, i mean , it can be that you understand the idealistic eyes of the heads of children, the

diseases for them are contact with reality, you understand, i'm in front of these little boys and say, so boys. so i'm your vice-dad here, or i'm your most important, dad. yes, you will feel bad to lead something then something threatens him that i will not take them to this, what do you have, uh, you are only talking about motivation by pain. about the punishment, there is still some positive motivation there. no again uh there to say yes guys? yes, i understand, i'm not your own father. i try very hard. i want to replace it for you, but i understand that i will never do this, because my dear. that is, you need to do this conditionally at some point right here. well, it can be done, let the one, dad , look, that one, offended dad, that dad time in claim. let this dad be dad. why is it hard to feel, you also

want to quarrel somewhere, for example, from dad. we are trying to create an ideal person savior well, why a normal living person? it's just that they are cheating. there, for example, they start. i say you took it, not you. and so i start it like this, because it's not mine. well, here's thinking, how can it be, because it's not my blood. you know, you start right away, because your father becomes, it seems that you see some understand this, it's bad. what does he start? i don’t know, but it’s you on an emotional level, sometimes it happens that you react to and yet, yes, a rational being, including a being, and try to live without emotions, but try to shift yourself rationally somehow. let's question here the key question is a very high-quality question in this sense. why? well, that's why i'm telling you that it arises like this. i catch myself on this thought. ask yourself a question. why uh, so a son ca n't be like his father. why shouldn't he lie to me? here you can at least one

name a reason now? why should n't your foster kids guys lie to you? no, yes, probably, they should. well, you have another extreme, they can lie. here they can, for example, yes, like everyone else can, like everyone else, well, i haven’t had any other examples yet. this is the very first is conditionally the first venice that is, you, as it were, and you are faced with this and, as it were, there is this part of hmm well, as it were, a story that we might be, it's because of this, maybe because i'm bad dad, the algorithm is going badly. where is what going? and suddenly, because of will they be unhappy there or will i be unhappy, for example, then all the forces of the differential there are no questions. this is ridiculous, of course, but you understand, yes, you are an unfortunate konstantin when you are, to some extent, an absolutely happy person, mentally unhealthy. your attempt to be absolutely always happy yourself and to raise children is absolutely always happy. this is an attempt to raise mentally

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warm and comfortable corridor for you personally, it is very neurotic. yes, that's for sure. let's talk with you more about your children and their mother, because look, we are considering the whole of such a large family, in which i see has three dads and two moms. yes , all this needs to be explained. well, here we are like with mom, thank god, all the children all communicate, and we are all going. that is, it is, as it were, like a magnet and everyone is always good. that is, you say, second wife, yes, my current one, that is, my child arrives, these children, that is, we are inside. here are the families of our children, which are ours as biological. here are her children, they have no boundaries, that is, they communicate as friends. that is, no matter how here i will not be harmonizing yes, lightning diverters. i'd say they're harmonizing somewhere in this there is no large family in the country. the mediator is the

second wife of konstantin she. maybe look, as i understand it, she accepts and treats your eldest daughter well . she has two children of her own, who are just the point of such a sluggish conflict all the time and they have. well, this will give, you understand that mom we are so much that we have to carry on, but in this situation, maybe it’s for us to give some advice or some kind of algorithm of action for konstantin’s wife, how, maybe she somehow all this with moderation such advice is not to try to moderate, but to continue to moderate it, brothers. once again trying to somehow hop this whole situation and decide that everyone is content and happy. this is an attempt at an infantile michael of course, as in tradition the best. psychological films yes

, they shock you at first, and then you are such a tank, then only you start somehow differently, that is, yes, you will die conditionally. well, of course, well, conditionally. i say that it, well, invigorates, yes, and they make you look at such a shake a little, when only op, well i will be like you have conflicts with both my own biological and adoptive ones. it is normal to have conflicts with children. and what is the worst thing in your imagination that can happen to your children in the context of your difficult relationship with your ex-husband. the kids will close. yes, at some point. you will just start, as it were, if anything, you are not my father there, what you were, no matter how bad it will go to educate us like that. here's an open one, as it were, well, let's say unreasonably, yes, what will happen then. the only thing that they would start harming themselves, or would they think? what, well, rather, yes? that is, i’m still, probably, somewhere else i’m not so informative, well, to themselves, that is, what does this mean? for example, there, i don’t know what, well,

as if i’m answering you on my own. they hang themselves up that because of them, the mother of the enlightenment, so far everything that you have told is not scary, but you understand with such a set, how would the input water data reach a divorce, for example, from this situation. that is it again. yes, in this discord between dads, some kind of conflict between you and your wife will sow, and you will get divorced. it scares you, including, for example, either they or just, as you know, people are now, well, such trends, indeed, for example, what will happen, here's another in their lives. here is such as would say, events. yes, including mine, that is, of course, this is also very well, it scares you. well, i don’t even know, maybe i’m returning myself to where, as if i were in the place of a participant yes, events in the form of a child there and maybe just updates. yes, i'm sorry, please. well, let's not normalize divorce. i understand

that we live. yes, that is, this is a great tragedy in the personal world, which statistics destroys all illusions, but listen, let's cling to something. well, let's cling to values, of course, i do not call for his value, but for michael to divorce. am i saying there are divorces? yes, and some children go through divorces, very comfortable. they say it even better, but here we see what psychology is called transference. konstantin believes that if he was hurt, yes, then konstantin will be afraid to divorce others. we got to the bottom of it, because we believe that this is pain unambiguously. what about at least one? divorced and like live strange feel like in movies and nothing wait and we don't admit that he loves this woman at all. he even tries and loves these boys, who are from another man, as much as he can. we do not admit at all that

he just wants to save this family, and in fact, it seems to me that the most valuable thing that we have now got to the bottom of is that it is not the conflict with the father of these children, mikhail, that scares him. it seems to me that this obviously scares him that this conflict with dad deprives him of children, then, there is a family that he now values ​​\u200b\u200band which he wants save. he is free, which is very difficult to make, and she was not given so easily . that's all, because i want a small moment, that there were a lot of countermoves against the creation of such a family, that is, everyone is familiar there, that is, for especially from outside male. yes, everyone said, what are you, like, is it like there yourself? a no, of course, no, we were there. an interesting story is beautiful. there she was helped there with a swindler there to cope, and in general, and 2 years. they were just friends, that is. already yes, yes, well, conditionally something why, well, on the contrary already works as a lawyer. well, conditionally, yes, that is, there, well, that's it, it was all opposition. that is, we have certain stigmata such relations in

society on the part of a man. here, see the first communication of konstantin if i felt bad and it hurt, then everyone will feel bad and hurt. the second society is homogeneous and everyone in this society does not welcome and criticize such relations, which are difficult to define in the whole society. this is wrong. i agree, but i 'm talking about what we've experienced. they just ran into something. and look, then society, which will not criticize you, maybe less of it, or can definitely change the attitude towards this society? why, he actually has the right values, insisting on it. why would you look for this confirmation. taboos are not taboos born from you, girls, cool beautiful, but thank god you say thank you to the universe that this is happening? what difference does it make to you what they think, not just the male part of society, but some kind of developed segment, the male part of self-respect. and you, in principle, we usually listen to everything for the society. that is, we have so instinctively. we still try to be closer to some kind of sun yes, in society, we

all try to be the same by default, a person strives to be. all the same, to meet some of the expectations of people. yes , i see before me a rather atypical character of our society. yes, an atypical handsome smart man, who, of course, means that he got into such a non-fabulous story with his personal life, five children, not the most terrible good, it is impossible to try to be right. yes, he tries to love everyone and everything that he dreams of, so that he has that world, who is finally more or less happy for him. he created not just so that this world would not be taken away from him. you are cool konstantin, why do you need society's assessments? if here we are now telling you you are cool, let's now, who am i like that, but come on, i see, now they said another person. yes, and he

romanticized constantine. this world ah, constantine believes that this world can be perfect and that, uh, it depends on constantine constantine put on the crown of god and decides. what is good and what is bad in this world and uh any deviation of this real life from his ideal image of konstantin, e, causes pain. yes, maybe not in all spheres of life, but in those spheres of life in which konstantin e has his own such deep very wonderful values, therefore your attempt is to be good for everyone. yeah, it 's unrealistic, but be an adult and admit that for someone and to some extent you will definitely be bad. and it's just not a problem. here, the less you will make demands on yourself . here these here listen to be

bad. this does not mean being long or in front of you . if you are bad in some eyes, yes, if you are bad in the eyes of your biological dad, so to speak, e separated by fatherhood, you will begin to respect more. here, judging by how some type. he will just start to respect you more. you will understand some people and some people, until they are all nonsense, and they understand. yes, i'm not talking about the physical just a manifestation of e -strength. yes, he's still bad already good. you won't, but time there might be something straighten, but for this you need to show. to that man , michael speaks his masculine mechanical strength, to be honest, as they say. oh, that's honest. here's at least how to say, it's more pleasant what you say, but here's what mikhail probably says, it seems to me, well, more honestly, maybe, and, of course,

it seems to me, if i, well, as if at work with myself, i would choose better to push off better to be disappointed in this, but it is necessary. i think it needs to work. yes, it's more of a negative. that is, here you they said, as a plus, as i am in the black. and this is me, well, as you know, like a person who really tries to control all this there, to impose his will to dominate somewhere. that is, it’s so patriarchal, where are you, although i understand with my head that it’s necessary to move away, but subconsciously, yes, mats or everything is there, that is, and when it collapses, you also try and don’t understand you start. it’s like really worrying right away, not a hassle, because i’m like everything, well, it’s walking there, it’s something there, it’s a little messy. you heard, yes, but you know how it will turn out for you in reality right here in the middle, you get something from me take something from natalieva. yes and once again allow yourself to be different. extremes make

us neurotic normal. be alive , his man, as it were, reaches for the pole, either you are a hero or you are bad, i say, all people try to polarize. this is a bad neighbor. we want to have this. yes, human humanity in general is very complex, of course, non-two-color non-two-dimensional themes are more interesting to live, yes, and therefore in your configurations about a bad and a good dad also cannot be a mathematically decomposed ideal model. you are both good at both. you are bad, complexly composed, which is what makes you great, so we will continue to deal with the human psyche with mikhail in our psychics podcast. my name is natalya losevov, a journalist and my partner, so the podcast clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhail khors, we analyzed the difficult situation of the father of many children, konstantin

hello, the podcast is on the air and i am maxim trankov my today interlocutor alexander zhulin, sash, well, let's go, let's go , what are you doing now? the season of difficult starts, not so much ended quite early. well, what are we doing , preparing for the final of the russian cup and have already begun to select music, come up with steps for new programs for the next season. now we are waiting for the decision of the forces. what will be the short dance to understand already? in which direction should we move , should we remain in the trend, even though we are now, well , we are working hostages of this situation, mainly in russia well, i’m in

i read in one of your interviews that this is an incentive for you to stay young to put on these new programs new ideas that you live in cycles from the olympics to the olympics well, maybe , but i’m just very worried about the fact that since the ninety-second year i have had nine olympics. and i didn’t miss a single one, first as an athlete, then as a coach, and i pray to god that now, somehow, this whole situation will be resolved and still in the next olympic cycle, and the russian team would be involved. and i would really like to get to your tenth olympics, this is what we live for, but your olympics are like athletes. they were more than successful there, maybe not as much as possible, but still there were two medals and bronze and silver, but as a coach already in 2006 . you won the olympic games , you fulfilled your dream, and you said that

this is your favorite olympics that you would like to repeat until now, it remains so, but repeat it. it is possible, because tanya navka at that time was my wife and wife. and, of course, this is the feeling that it is your wife who wins the olympics. games. not just a student. and also a wife. this was, of course, unforgettable, because , well, our whole family, a coach, a student, a wife, a husband, worked in the same direction, and i am extremely grateful that we found such a wonderful partner. roma kostomarovo, who is a real athlete, is a real person, and i am very grateful to fate. and why did she bring me together with such people? yes, i would like to, probably, i take the opportunity, probably, to wish romka good health, and we know how strong he is, the bravest, probably, of all of us, professional already now skaters. and i think that he must still

defeat this illness of his and romka only health and patience for oksana and the whole family. i have been to church several times. in general, he prayed and lit a candle for his health, because, of course, he just needs all of ours right now, that's all the people who love him. uh, help, because in general this is the last person that i would think that he could ever get sick like that, because, well, just a healthy man is a real athlete. and this, apparently, the fact that he relates so little to his health, perhaps, does not give a damn, well , everything, as i was told, was coughing. it’s just that the temperature wasn’t particularly good, i skated all these programs, i went to the bathhouse, and the bathhouse, most likely, aggravated this moment. so we all pray and hope that the daisies will be fine while analyzing them. yes, because we all think it won't happen to us. but, unfortunately, it happens and romki will repeat, only health.

let's go back to the 2006 olympics. uh, triumphant victory and then quite a long period until 2022 before the olympic games in peak yes. e to new success with the russian duet with nikita and vika what is the difference between these two couples and why has this journey been so long? well, in fact , we kind of, i understand that this was a team medal, but katya and dima bobrova also had an olympic gold medal, although they were in the team. and this was the first time for the first time. here it is for me, too, is very expensive, but of course, in the individual classification. yes, this is the dance of roma and vika with nikita, and vika with nikita has a medal, and the couple is very important, like all couples olympic champions, as you probably will , and they are complex, they are all complex in nature, because an olympic champion, in general, a champion cannot be some kind of

primitive creature. an olympic champion is always a personality, it is always. something incredibly different. here is roma, for example, this is such a bundle of energy, this is a person who should have been spoken to. the weakling rode like that today. today everyone will tear you apart, and you could be sure that in the evening he will come out and be the best nikita could not say this, because it killed him right away covered. maybe you are the same, yes, because a person is a maximalist, a person should always be liked, a person needs praise, and i set up nikita in a completely different way. i always told nikita you are the best. you will always be the best. uh. well, vika is probably the same here, although the rod. uh, it seems to me in both pairs, how sad it will be for the guys. uh, there were tanya and vika, oddly enough, it sounds, but they were such

reliable partners, which, in general, are needed. for some reason i think, and i have tells intuition that your secret is the same. yes, i absolutely agree with this. and in general, i think, maybe some kind of seditious thought, i will say that figure skating is a women's sport, everything, yes, it is a women's sport. and what if it's dancing or couples, if you have a strong partner, as practice shows katya gordeeva yes irina rodnina yes elena berezhnaya lyudmila pahomy, well , somewhere arthur can be taken a little out of the scope for dmitry. well, maybe, but still. they were also oksana and they were little bears, as if not. just a strong partner necessary. we are always busy. uh, still a guy skating and dancing. this is also a paired sport, and i told a lot of partners petya of the black show, when you brought about when he tried to be the best there and nikita very often i said this there

is no pair of kotsalaps there is a pair, tit paws there is no pair chernyshov there is a lunk the black seam is 50 to 50, so you must ride for your partner to create comfort for them to make the partner feel like a real champion. and this is a very important moment. it's very hard to teach, i know also by himself and by his work with all the athletes. but as in sports, fart is important for winning the olympic games. you can be a personality and fail. yes, e may not be a personality. well, you can also be a coach and wait to be a talent coach to wait for some good one. and he will never come to you. it seems to me that somewhere you were unlucky, maybe in a sports career, yes, you wo n’t become an olympic champion, but then you were very lucky with an athlete. you always have the best dances and you are the most successful modern russian coach, because yes, of course, i was lucky to some extent in the sense that, of course, well, working

with people like, uh, navka to samara in blue, the son of clubfoot beaver nightingales, is a pleasure, because after all, at that time they were leaders of our russian figure skating. and accordingly, all the same. we were very close and to the leader. uh, world uh figure skating, but it was a very difficult moment when uh, the test came. uh, my faithful scott and charlie white and meryl davis uh. it was, of course, another planet. they ran away from us somewhere. here we are all time they caught up with them, and it seems to me that they caught up and then appeared. the french are also a very extraordinary phenomenon in ice dancing, so we had strong opponents, the more the guys' victories are valued, at some point they missed the championship. yes, when the tests came there and charlie and meryl why did you

analyze? why did this happen and how can we catch up? well, i'm not exactly analyzing, i just think what it is hmm in waves, everything goes. let's say that when zhenya plushenko and lyosha yagudin were there, it was something phenomenal, no one stood close there, then the russian figure skating single men fell into the pit at the same time at that moment there was only vera slutskaya and, in general, everything else was japanese-american. but now women's single skating is a purely russian story. now it's more difficult in men's. here, but we are also starting, therefore, it seems to me that this is such an undulating history that needs to be systematically changed. i just think there must be some kind of birth. super athletes who are on their own they will take this role, because i will explain that platov and usova were swindlers, and for me always

usova zhulin. it was wow. that is, i always watched these programs, as something cosmic in general, different from everything else, and maybe that's why you lost then, because people weren't ready to perceive it. and now, many years later, the french appear. in fact, between your couple and with their or their couple, i draw parallels, because for me this is the childish perception of my zhulin and the adult perception of the popadaikiron. it approximately similar. hmm, only they may be more fortunate that people have become ready to look at such a curly. yes, maybe, well, if i were to draw such a parallel, i never thought about it. i am very pleased. thanks for telling you this. here, it seems to me, there is such a hmm chip, a chip of some kind of aesthetics. so, i don’t know where it came from or me, but when i looked at myself, for example, in the mirror, when i was doing choreography, i didn’t have any data there, i couldn’t raise much above 90 °. but if i

i saw that a wrapped leg or a shoulder got out somewhere or something. i think what a freak i am, i need to work. must have worked with it. in general, two by three by four hours, just about the mirrors at the machine, bringing oneself to this state. it was just hmm well, probably the inner sense of taste in this should not be a systematic approach. i think that an athlete should not only listen to what the coach says, but also develop himself and dance completely there, if there is dancing there absolutely right, but uh, if you take, for example, hmm the same tanya roma or a clubfoot titmouse and very quickly grab exactly what i want. i say, well, this is ugly. and i try to explain something there, they grab it and immediately correct it. there are athletes, others, who you can just spend hours on. they don't take it off. that's why you're absolutely right after all, well, how to systematically educate maxim. uh, maradona or

paul pogba is probably impossible. probably, after all, such people really should be born, they should appear, it is very important that they are trained from the age of 5-6 years correctly so that they do not went to the rink. here are 5-6 years and yes question. why if dancing well visual i am inside i understand that it is very difficult and but for the viewer it is not traumatic. no need to jump , no one throws a partner very high. why they still lead to single skating from childhood, they don’t give it to dancing on ice. like, for example, they do it in north america. well , because, firstly, it is a very big problem to find partners and a partner. that's not all. eh, there is still an understanding in russia that dances are already giving away liquids. that is, when that's all you've exhausted yourself in single skating, you can't do anything anymore. it is clear that you have sore knees, jumping does not go, you have to go

dancing. as they say, it's bad. here it is, and then in the judges a common story. yes, therefore the judges are then technical specialists. here but nevertheless. m. in america, there is a slightly different approach, where dancing is not considered something shameful. this is considered the same kind of sport, it is also olympic . that's probably. yes, you can cook. uh and immediately already dancers pay more attention sliding is not a problem, for example, hmm dancing and bra- if you take single skating, if you teach a person to skate on low legs, like dean did, what was he striving for? i’m dmitriev and then the jump leaves because you overload your legs, and in the second minute you sit down, your legs are just stupid and you can no longer jump into multi-turn jumps, therefore, the entire focus of the single coaching staff will focus on the fact that many did not sit down, so that you had an explosion, because your legs

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to take away trankov's lenses so far. this is my idol was easy, dmitriev would have done it easily. i had to find the right partner. these are the people who elementary could. well, look at what, uh, what charisma these people had. well, praise the lord that he did not go into dancing. you have very good success in men's skating. god bless you. but nevertheless, if you then switched to dancing, it’s not a fact yet, you could become a two-time champion in dancing on ice. i'm not sure that lsr would have come to dance with me. and then everything rolled under this bone this moment this moment. i know that you are like that fan of show programs and you are one of the initiators if they are mistaken tournaments that or even the author. yeah well, some will take place in march. we

started the program. yes, i would love to see it pass. i really wanted to, yes, yes, and in general, i emphasized the word correctly. i am from my childhood, when we rode with a smiley. we were two-time champions. tournament kalinka, which was invented by alexander vedenin, his kingdom of heaven, left this year. it was wonderful. it was for non-gori. uh, a show dance tournament. do what you want. that's what you want, roll the spectators it was packed in this tournament, the dancer can win, the single skater can win, the guys can win . the main thing is the artistry of jumping, nothing at all. that is. do you want to jump. if you want, don't jump. if you want, do a number so that people shed tears. do you want done. probably so that people laugh, and there is already a person who sits a spectator, or rather, a jury, they must evaluate. it's like that's in terms

of liked it. and it seems to me that this may be very interesting in the sense that it is something else and it really is. well, it's just like a competition in terms of mutants. well, to be honest, i want to thank myself, probably, and from the first channel for this idea, because it's really cool here. we will definitely do it. hopefully, now let's talk a little about motivation, because now is the time when parents, in principle, think. why take children to sports if we don't have it? the athletes we work with think, why should they come to training? yes, and we ourselves are coaches too often this thought visits us. how are you. with this and in your heavy athletes these asked the question. uh, i know it's hard. you asked a question. in general, to motivate athletes. in this current situation, it gets harder and harder and we all understand that i always had a goal. this is the championship of russia, for which it is needed in order to get to the european

championships and, god forbid, the olympic games, now this is not there, but this is not there for only one year. while holding on, while, as it were, i find some words, first of all, for myself. that's because hard, honestly hard, and i loved to go to the european and world championships and the olympic games, and in general i liked to go abroad and lived in america for 13 years. now, of course, a lot has changed, a lot has changed, even if i'm watching some now american films. i don't believe. nothing if i used to admire these, there armageddons and others now. i just don't believe in anything. now i understand that this is some kind of solid falsehood and lies. that's because i have. well, such a position now er, i really do. uh, well a fan in russia, i really think it was the first one. when the decision was made to return from the usa no, it was not unambiguous. this

decision was made because tanya was offered an interesting project. it was then called dancing with the stars, the first season. in general, i was absolutely shocked then, because i stayed in america for almost 6 months. she was leaving for moscow, i stayed there to train someone already and there wasn’t much incentive here, i bang suggested that i also try to participate in this beard project. at that moment she was my favorite actress, but because the movie the tamlenny sun has just come out in general. i really liked her. like uh like an actress? i immediately got hooked on this idea. we all moved in with the cop along with our daughter. sasha to moscow and began to prepare for this project. sasha didn’t understand anything at all, but he says why he moved to this moscow where there is constantly snow in traffic jams and cried literally literally cried for three weeks if we left our

luxurious house as a servant in america where everything was fine, but went to school there already nothing is clear here. here at first. when i saw all this glacial. well, here are the first steps, because and i tried it, we did it somewhere in the park of culture. on the rink , some of these. when i saw how these actors skate, then i think, but it's just a madhouse. it's only for him to put on a straitjacket for everyone else. i think this is a terrible failure. these were my thoughts. ilya is more of such a person. uh, in everything, you believe, and well done. me: well, thank you very much for that. and when i later saw the first second program on the broadcast. i realized it's cool. it's beautiful and they show the actors' acting and you don't notice that they don't skate well. it's all somehow you cover the camera correctly put the right light, the right music came right away. that's it, because

i call it wisdom, because when i worked with two mentors in the ice age, when i was riding julian's cow. there was one who was ready to bake the program. 1.000 elements that may not look like anything and do not work out and there was a second mentor the wise one who told me just want six zero shut your mouth. listen and get six zero. and so it happened. here is the wisdom. she will come in the same season. um, probably by the end of the first season. when you start to understand that this project is not about elements. this is a project about beautiful poses about a very bright acting story that everyone understands, so that everyone can understand it, it is necessary for people to sit down and just if you dance a number about love, they will be touched with you. if you dance the drama that you could cry at the end more about this number. and so, when this year nikita, for example, came to this project and immediately began to surprise me there with some kind of

milkshakes. i see them breaking. just to death. that's 15 minutes rolled. i see what he is doing too, in general, everything is not right. and then, when i told him that nikit ran through this project in general and adds a lot of steps. very and so when i saw children in the ice age, and lyuba rubtsova was such a boat. you see, there was still saw a few girls and boys. uh, they're insanely artistic now. now, eteri has some kind of boy now, when she is prosedot russia here, he was also there. i remember that, and he's gorgeous, and he's gorgeous now. if they put programs on him, with a certain flair with a certain ice age flight , it will only get better, but here the chip is in the ice age. this story. for example, i did. uh, schindler's list, uh, or other clubbing, and we only took the beginning of the free program from there. when he takes her away from the wall, he takes her away from this one and at the end a shot is fired. everything else was figure skating. well, plus an idea that, well, in

in general, the convoy passed through the entire program, they remember this program and that was enough. the most important thing here is not to stuff the sports program with the ice age, there is simply no time for this. you skate yourself, set programs yourself and understand that you have only 20-30 seconds for this, maximum for all this choreography. the rest of the time this is an element that, of course, must be beautifully connected, therefore, i think this is a huge difference between the ice age and real figure skating, but the ice age gave a tremendous impetus, a colossal push. uh, in general, the development of figure skating in russia, i think, there is one more thing, and our country is oversaturated with champions. we have a huge number of figure skating championships, this and this is cool. well, all these champions have a chance to further develop themselves. i think the most important thing, maybe, is this what all the same how? maybe there is the same roma kostomarov who how old can

be a coach yes, we need to compete at the championships in our athletes, and we remain young due to this, but at the same time time, how many guys are still skating, still delight their fans and spectators. yes , this is happiness, keeps their families. this is a great happiness. and in general, i always said that, for example, sasha is easy. yes, he is an olympic champion, an amazing skier has found in you. lord, his tongue is hanging, he works as a commentator. well, no, they have demonstration performances. you've been running there all your life hmm 50 km 30. uh, plowed like hell and when you're done with the sport, in fact, everything is your only one, well, the chance to realize yourself. this coach or commentator. this is the uniqueness of our sports, in addition to ice shows, in addition to television projects, plus we also cultural a little bit , i think, developed differently, how did the ice age add that they began to invite him? and in theaters in the cinema and lyosha igudin, too, and uh.

yes, i even managed to sing there with polina gagarina in the two stars project. that is, it gives you an invitation to the cinema. that's why it gives you, in principle, the development of acting, in principle, and communicating with such great artists. basically on ice. i mean in glacier period. well, if a person is smart, you can teach them a lot of things. deep, right? many will not say that we are, but i will say that many are very impressed by your statements. in the sports media that is, you often speak out very sharply, in what positions? what is this unwillingness to put up with what is happening courage. well, i often blurt out, then i regret it, as, probably,

we all do, but here, for example, is the case with kamila valieva. i was just shaking. that is, i knew perfectly well what to learn to do quadruple jumps, as she does. what kind of doping can we talk about, but this is nonsense. so when i saw, in general, it was not directly a participant, as in general they scoffed, nadia and camila and the media. this was just the beginning, when the girls could not calmly enter the rink, she was shaking. this is what they did before her personal competition. here. i just lost my nerves and had time. well, since i had already written a book there, i perlo, that is, i wanted to speak out. i wanted to write something. it seemed like i was doing it right? that's when i wrote the letter. this is an open bahu, because i was just shaking at that moment. so i was very pleased that so many people in our country supported me, supported my position, and we really need to talk about it, in general it seems that the failure began at the moment

when vyacheslav fetisov vyacheslav alexandrovich was sitting in our vada and everything was fine with us. we didn't agree at all. we have to agree. in general, you know this, as in our sport. so in general in politics must negotiate, when vyacheslav ivanovich koloskov was in prison, the fifa football federation treated us very seriously. er, vitaly georgievich smirnov. we were treated very seriously. now we have what we have now in this vase, 12 canadians are sitting there. uh at twelve americans and british. and that we want him to be recognized as a clean athlete, they won't talk to us anymore. well, as, in general, in general, and in all politics, so it seems to me that we need to understand more from the point of view. not maybe, for example, we only have two technicians, who are now, uh,

in general, deprived of this russian in mind, so we will lose everything in general, but for those who just joined us. i remind you that we are talking, we will return with the honored coach of russia alexander zhulin. let's say kamila valieva, let's say, the decision to hit her, if it is not favorable to us, will hit your pair, because gold medals also depend, like the guys. how do you feel about it? no matter what thoughts, but we have already, as we said, under this house sword a very long time ago, this year has almost passed since the olympic games, yes, that’s why we are already used to this situation, but their inner feeling does not change. it seems to me that the main thing is internal sensations. it 's like if you did everything right, you believe that you did the right thing, then you deserve it, and no one has it. quite right, and i like the position of our country and the president and how we were all treated. we were all congratulated with gold

medals, we were all given what they were supposed to be awarded, and prizes and so on, i believe that the position of the president and of our entire country absolutely true, that is, our champions should be supported. here are the paralympic games , russian wonderful fantasies have passed, of course, 16 years, probably, camellia, for example, 16 years, yes, to survive this is for life. well, nevertheless, she was there the wisdom that came to you in the first season of the ice age. well, i'm better. i hope she has the right ones first. i think camila herself is a very smart girl. it's true, it seems to me that she is a very good person, also third. to me she seems to, uh, she has a good terrorist headquarters. they will help with this all very well. they have already helped and will continue to help. and i think that people like kamila valeeva will not be lost if we talk like that . it would just be extremely embarrassing. and if, for example, she is deprived of her, for example, she is forbidden to train, respectively, for

me this is a tragedy figure, because it was some kind of abb level always in this skating, when a person appeared who, in general, well, like on this chan in general, a different person. that is, just another person from another planet, which may be impossible what seemed to us some kind of sanction of figure skating. yes, it reproduced everything and deprive this sport of this, moreover, it is also the athletes who speak badly for everyone. in america, it's bad for america too, isn't it? that's gone. the competition is gone. the star is gone. let's say world star. but what else, to be honest, really struck me, that at this russian championship, which just recently ended in krasnoyarsk, she jumps this quadruple. so a sheepskin coat, that is, on such height and what kind of doping you can rub at all, if a person here is to force an american who has passed puberty, who has gained a little there. yes, at least three or three to perform, purely no one can. and kamila

valeeva does clean quads. moreover, two in the program are not only jumps in this magic. i understand, well, it’s small, when her leg makes a 180 ° exit. well, she was very much wanted in the ballet here. but she chose figure skating herself. i'm more than sure i do. she is ballet. it was an outstanding ballerina, there is no doping. here but it seems to me that sport is more interesting, and yet i will remain with my opinion that the world has not yet seen their figure skaters, like kamila valeeva, when this whole situation began to spin, we collided. with all this hate, and even the guys that we have been friends for many years. uh, in sports. uh, foreigners began to speak out. yes, foreigners have begun to speak out. now i am still reading. uh, it’s true, there are half of them that have long been forgotten and have not been realized after expressing themselves, but nevertheless there is one. you worked a lot with foreign

in pairs. that is, you had both the french and the pishelabuza. natalie in general is now the president of the federation of spaniards-turks. uh, there are cyprus even ukrainian guys. let's not forget ukraine, right? that is, how now are there any ratios ? some kind of feedback with the guys in the world in the morning and beautiful. the rest of the foreigners are all wonderful ukrainian couple, no, they have a very tough position regarding, in general, all of us. here, i do not blame anyone sideways. time will judge everything, well, i don’t want to delve into this topic, but nevertheless, many of my foreign colleagues with whom i and both coaches and athletes worked and

treats us wonderfully and say when we will see each other. everyone is also tired of this situation. in general, i have some kind of prevailing opinion that starting with the pandemic. everything went downhill. that's how she started this model. that's how it all goes somewhere. here it rolls rolls. i sometimes wake up, i say, lord, well, at least there will be one good day already. here, what's some good news. here, and then resort to the daughter. this , of course, is changing and not. and in general, i'll tell you, uh, we are happy people that we have there are loved ones. that's because a beloved family is happiness, so love is a family - this is the most. the main thing is that in general, maybe, uh, in our coaching career. i know, most likely, this is the only thing i want to say, thanks to the pandemic, because i started writing on the phone from nothing to do. well, the truth is, there was nothing

to do already, i didn’t know what to do to ride it was impossible. all skating rinks are closed. here, i have already reviewed all the films mm. what to do? he continued to continue, then one of the smart ones told me. listen well, this money especially does not bring and was upset for half a year. i finished this business, in general, that's not because i'm so mercantile. well just. well, what will i write to write? well, then i think, no. well, in the end, someone again told me or my wife, well, you write that for yourself for the children. they will read it later. but , well, i decided to continue and wrote, as if it took more than a year. still, a book. she has three wives three skaters how is it? it's hard with colleagues. well, if i have all three figure skaters, then it’s probably not hard. so, there is something to talk about. so there

is some homespun in this, however, so are all three dancers. and all three beauties. that's why. and why are children or maybe someone involved in figurines? no, they tried somehow, uh, one daughter did not go well. and now katenka was also doing something , somehow she didn’t particularly like it, but now she was at the play. just says the first thing i was told by an urgent raid. i want to be a figure skater, and she is almost 10 years old. i say it's not too late, katyusha here i am want i like it, that means it. well, let's see, well, let's see, i also have a very similar story. i have angelica when they ask her, just people. what do you want to be? she says she's a figure skater. but there parents simply categorically do not want to enter the skating rink. i wonder and when grandma

please driver, but we won't. well, yes. that's why it's a strange moment that he does n't have many parents. here i am from among those who do not particularly want repetition. for some reason, i ca n’t understand, i want to have parents who there is. yes, i have. yes, listen to this. in general , i believe that it is possible to somehow open all these orbits. and i would absolutely not mind if my daughter were a wonderful lawyer or a singer, and or even sold at home, i have nothing against it, because it seems to me that there are a lot of wonderful professions in the world and it’s not a fact, if you came and said dad. i want to be only a figure skater, and i would go to bed so that she becomes a figure skater with us was alexander zhulin, a wonderful father of writing, an honored master

sports, honored coach of russia and children are the ideological inspirer of the new figure skating tournament in russia thank you very much. thank you. dear friends again night again a podcast dedicated to creative today again we are at the same place for an hour elena kiper roman pockets and our guests lucy chebotin actress, i can already say so, after the new year 's just aired, where the roles were played and before that we already people knew as a singer, and even earlier as a blogger, if

you saw new year's eve on channel one there for a long time for the first time started again write. pretty tough in general, which is generally unfair, in fact, all this has led to the fact that, well, how would the author become just a nobody at all, if he still does not perform his songs. yes dmitry malikov uh singer composer, challenger blogger, super super, innovative television program mega-show fantasy, since we are talking about the future, we love to talk about how our uh, show business will develop, especially

since we are here we are present. well, i'm the generation that i'm sorry already sang. here she is which side is native. uh, with a big azatom uh, and many other hits by dmitry malikov and which still can in general dance under uh, plyusikin. that's why we can take a peek. here we go forward with understanding and about the sun of monaco, including here but in those days when our show business was developing, the road was long. well, that is, it was necessary to find somewhere a producer to record a song to get on the radio station on the air. i do not know the morning mail of channel one and so on. now time has changed a little, you can start from petropavlovsk-kamchatsky, where, by the way, i also lived for six years in my life, or well, the first belt, probably, there is no sentry. yes

, i’m just because i’m from there too, but i need to start from afar. well now is the time to start everywhere. well, i would n’t say globally that you can write music from anywhere , but in fact, in principle, the industry is located and the entire center of the universe around our industry is in moscow. therefore, if you want to develop and move on. it seems to me that it ’s worth moving, that is, moscow anyway sucks talents, if you haven’t moved to moscow, then in general, yes it draws. well , okay, it attracts you well. no, well, there are different professions, for example, if you are an arranger, yes or, therefore, you can live songs in your city. for example, i am now collaborating with guys from kazakhstan. well , they live in almaty, this does not interfere. i was there, so to speak, to somehow exchange with him constantly to be in touch, and, uh, the internet certainly gives such an opportunity, such an opportunity was not a very short way, but the competition is much greater when i started.

here it is, which side is native, the radio was not there for me. i'm not talking about musical television, that is, europe plus was only heard somewhere, there was a morning mail, yes. uh, hello, there was no star. here is the morning post. uh, lucky broadcast one internal mail. eh, a man made a star out of a man one ether, what is only now one effect, you understand? nothing. here. i'm not talking about the new year's light. by the way, i wanted to ask. and you can say so, dmitry, you woke up one day famous song success until tomorrow thanks. uh, new year's eve from the eighty-eighth to the eighty-ninth year, when this song was put there with great difficulty, the shooting was not far from here, we surrounded the ostankino tower in a helicopter in bad weather, the helicopter hovered, it was not bad cameraman eric malinin, uh, it’s so say. so he leaned out from behind the product of an open helicopter and in order to and in order to take me off,

well, as if against the backdrop of moscow, supposedly there, although i couldn’t get out either. in general, it was it's a shame that they didn't make it into the footage. yes, hmm just shots of nighttime moscow came in near the stankino tower, but the point is not this, but the point is that the next morning my e calls me, the co-author of the words of this song sasha shaganov and says edim, we wrote a hit. i say that you would take it, only there was one shooting and then he says, you know, i'm in the subway of the descent. uh, he went down and there the boy and the girl say goodbye there, and she sings until tomorrow. that's january 1st. that's why it was like this before. just if it was good promising material, but now, probably, too. it's just that if there's a good looking out of that, that's a lot of professionals. and i say, now it's not about people with higher musical education. i say, now they are professionals in their field, who intuitively feel that they can become a hit like what is relevant now, what topics are

relevant now, what is needed now, and give the viewer as musical material and against this background there is a lot of competition, so you can just stay even with good stuff unnoticed among all the abundance. everything happened very slowly and gradually for me, and i can say that here it probably plays in the plus, because there is no sharp. and you know such a m-m as a clouding of the mind, that everything and everything is possible for me. i am a superstar. everyone loves me. everyone is waiting for me. here rather, it is played as a plus to the fact that you can not get sick with a star disease. great job both internal and external. it seems to me that something is gradual and you slowly get used to it. and this is not some kind of pressure for you from the society that comes to you just to take a picture. now it is already part of your life, part of your work. and you don't mind that i'm cool, just the way i am. we just

talked about the fact that at some point the authors disappeared, but we live in such an interesting time that, in principle, the figure of the performer. she, too, in general, risks disappearing, because an avatar appears instead of her and with him. in general, it is more convenient to work and do what you want. he is not sick. in general, he does not lose his voice. he is not capricious, does not suffer from star disease. deal with him whatever you want. the main thing is that in at the beginning, in general, at the start, some character was with whom he is working now, not only the author may disappear, but i am copyright societies, because all over the world such appeals are heard that there is no need to pay more copyrights. yes? that is, here's the music you wrote, it belongs to all of all mankind. it shouldn't get anything for it either we're talking about the future, maybe the author can live about the future. yes, what kind of alcohol friends turn out like this, international copyright societies, and i ca n’t, perhaps, are very happy about this practice listened and nothing like that another question, that the

authors, for example, in russia when? they dispose, of course, they cannot count on large fees and therefore they most often love it. well, we are here in the creative industries, and we are not trying to do some things here. it seems to me that the authors receive a fixed payment, because it is very difficult to collect authors in russia and abroad, for example, they give a song for work free of charge, expecting royalties for this. i don’t know how it all will turn out, but in russia, it seems to me, from this year, it began the growth of interest in the author, as it were, well, it will be so. i think now very often i hear from my colleagues. i’m my peers that there are seven notes in music and i’ll think that it looks like, you’ll think that there are actually similar words somewhere , really, that tomorrow it’s become very disappointing lately, because their , uh, work remains not only unnoticed . she also doesn't pay well. and more and everyone

can comprehend on their efforts. don't bring it to yourself. we can even go further, because also the generative content that we said avatars and what neural networks can create. e songs, as someone has little to do with avatars, by the way, this is, for example, the last time. naomi campbell, mickey rourke began to be present as brand ambassadors in a toroidal form, and this seems to be going, as if going, as generative content. you can create these intellectual and visual ones too. and you can work with it in a controlled manner. here dmitry can, er, probably, answer this question. look at the sci-fi new animated characters. the figure of the artist is important here. the fact is that no avatar can be made, it can be done on someone. and what to make a bright avatar should be a bright character with cola do. these are new technologies. of course they will come. and these here is a

fantastic show. on channel one, these are the first serious very swallows. i just uh witnessed all these technological innovations uh, i can say that it is really u amazing and but i think that in the future it will be u the norm. here, it's just a show breakthrough, maybe not even everyone understood it. eh, not everyone accepted it. but this is definitely the future, and today we see how, for example, the abba show is also going on, yes, in london, and holographic holographic yes, there are young members of this team. but they sing beautifully there and they seem to be real. this is also a question of the future. in principle, these moments are holographic, they have been used for many years, but it’s just that it’s very expensive for now, as soon as the technology makes it possible to reduce the cost, uh, and make this transport a regular one, i think that clowns will appear and i am ill. him yes, we

'll stay at home, they'll go on tour, we'll feel good karabas-barabas-barabas, we'll karabas. we ourselves we ourselves manage it with our bellies. why are you so sure of this? and, because the rights will belong. we know how to register the rights to your avatar, which may have already been created by someone, you understand such a story, you understand how an avatar is created, so i talked to those who create them in full detail. uh, the visual image of the artist is remembered, then some adjustments are made so that it is already a very original avatar, that is, with some nuances, and then a metamorphosis occurs. it can be owned by several companies, for example. well, i 'm talking hypothetically now. yes, we cannot imagine it in any way, because

somehow it will be, probably. how are you rights going to be regulated? i think that now over this, as lawyers are thinking. there is another interesting point. uh, the thing is the same abba with her show. this is the money that people have incurred for abu and not for someone else's live show, yes, that is, the money is the same in general, a limited amount, that is, they will wear their money, not for a live artist , and on the avatar with the avatar is easier to work with. that is, they will eventually take the place of a living artist. that is, all this will multiply in such a state, real live performance, live musicians, absolutely life, it will always be in demand. what would be cool trendy interesting bright avatar you are not always present people will rather love. e in spiritual concerts. live sound, i absolutely agree, i will additionally tell you that, for example, there are already so many sounds. uh,

it simulated a computer. yes, that is, all instruments are synthesizers and samplers are modern. in general, so to speak, in fact, all sounds can, uh, somehow, well, make them look alike. here, well, for example, the sound of a live violin. it's like no one managed to make it out and anyway, but any symphony orchestra. it is, of course, in a computer it will all sound similar, but far from it, there will be no living breath, there will be no breath of the conductor. and this here is the vibration of this energy, which behaves like a prescribed guitar in its track. mm, not using a computer. it seems to me that there are things that still feel, and this is life or live well, after all, we must keep in mind that we have the beginning of the century, it’s just still ahead of us, god knows, but the romantic version that artificial intelligence will never defeat a living person. she's so good for complacency, i think uh

then there will be time, well, maybe 200-300 years, but nevertheless, if they are, they can compete, what do these audiences think, which can be demanding, maybe not, can suit it, in principle, it is written. that's where the legendary gorilla band, yes, in fact, they performed like avatars, including on stage. yes, it was the same. our domestic character glucose was also a kind of avatar, and they can compete, but how long will they last compared to a living artist. this is a generational issue because here is our generation, we are already quite formed people. and just like the youth who have been there today for 3 5 10 years. here they will probably treat it somehow. well, it’s easier to not convince us with avatars yet. we are lively. yes? i personally

would go, for the sake of interest, only to some concert. that's all the way these parents who are no longer alive, for example, michael jackson i would love to go to his concert or are you already watching whitney houston? like yes, at least. well, at least experience those emotions. well, of course, if i were given the choice of live, performance, live concert or avatar, of course, i would choose live. for example, i was at a whitney houston concert in moscow, so i can say that she was in such a sad state. unfortunately from the point of view. here are her states of mental nervous and physical. what could be even better would be that if it were a little moved away, where everything is smoothed out there, because we simply already witnessed, as it were, the tragedy that happens to her. and it was already clear that she was not in good condition. but hypothetically comes to the application of the fund of cultural initiatives label, which

fully convincingly defends the concept of avatars. and he says it will be a super label, in which there will be artists, and they will earn big money. they will influence the viewer, as you remember, there was such a project. uh, a black mirror, when a certain character was created, after which then it’s already that we would be happy, because in general everything new that comes to us, but we are considering all this with great interest, but for now no, not yet, dmitriy dmitriy and lucy will come up with a fantasy. here inside, when you are sitting on the set, what is there? see this is what it looks like. eh, in the same place there are different versions for a long time there is nothing on which this avatar is performing that is, you see, as well, as the spectators yes, we just do not see. it’s like it’s completely in 3d but we see it on the screen quite convincingly for ourselves, and then, if we communicate with this avatar in

real time, ah, we see, the whole picture is already going to go into television versions naturally with the avatar itself on stage, then actually with yourself the only thing happens. uh, technological problems with the fact that, for example, a suit does not allow you to move the way you would move in life, because you physically forget that you, for example, do not have a skirt, and you put it in your hands at the seams. and these hands, they fall through somewhere, what this mary poppins costume looks like, he had such a skirt, a hat, a very beautiful stocking costume. so naturally the movement depended directly on the costumes. i was guessed almost immediately, but, because it is impossible not to unravel. very special such vocals and manner. it was very difficult and we did not know who was who until the end, well, some of them were guessed and some were not guessed. we recorded in

different positions, we were already sitting and naginals, yes. and we changed the timbre and squeaked and broadcast and vice versa, lowered it so much in bass, it was physically difficult, of course, to participate and constantly remember about the skirt, constantly remember that you are standing on stage in a slightly different attire if. you are now in the sensors and you had to constantly remember about the colloquial speech, because often parasitic words are used in life, which betray you just the same and in front of your colleagues. that was hard too. and so i can’t imagine i was an avatar artist. here it is to ride all the time. with all this equipment, it's very hard. if only it is recorded and then the hologram is put on stage. if only in this way it is recorded once a show is made, then there is already a live conversation with the public , some kind of connect question of the hall to go to 30 cities at the same time, for example, completely different times, again about money to bring more joy to people. why is there more

joy about money on the other hand. you can go where it was impossible to go anymore clones. i think so again. these are the same avatars of some kind, they need to be fed a little at this angle. we have not yet looked at this phenomenon now, the forces of social networks cannot do this, but it seems to me, again, if we are talking about the fact that in 30 cities at the same time you will be able to act as avatars. again, there is such an effect as oversaturation of it audience and because there is a lot of it, people can simply not go, because this is such an easily accessible story. it's just better to drive through each city. yes , he performed there thirty times in a day, and that’s all the cities ended. and then there's the issue of mission. and what exactly is behind this? why these avatars? is it clear that this is a business? of course, it's only one thing to entertain. and, if you don’t carry, show something, something people are different, therefore, it is

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feel the tension from the fact that a very demanding audience is growing, well, to the effects to entertainment, that is, earlier, in principle, the microphone took the stage, the cord sticks out and you sing, as it were, it seems that over time, just the same, but people and come to the present i don't know, even though there are more serious global technologies that we use on stage on tour. the same avatar yes, all these ah all these novelties that we watch every hedgehog year that appears on the market. and one way or another, people, as they will and vice versa, come more to the spiritual, as if the epoch is changing and look how many people we have

who practice yoga. how many people who have come to eat right? how many people who started reading how many people who began to study some questions of a universal scale that had never been before? interested. on the contrary, i observe a different position. it seems to me that it's all there. and it's good all these innovations of yours. but as if people are still drawn to spiritual things. i 'm afraid we're talking about your generation now. and i'm talking about five-year-olds and ten-year-olds. it's quite difficult to say many of them, they are different people. yes, i agree with lucy that, uh, at our concerts, when people come, they come, not only to hear familiar songs there, but they, uh, they feel some kind of consonant energy, so to speak, and they, uh, yes, it’s stuffy for them and therefore it is very important for artists to be sincere. here is a sincere sincerity to share the charge. how to help? eh, just here are some really now, so today you read the news that there are not enough psychologists in russia it seems to me that artists are always artists. yes,

yes, so to speak, music heals when a person is in a bad mood, either or something sometimes turns on his favorite music and he miraculously, as it were, everything passes, or some moments of some parting experience are lived, on the contrary, a love moment is accompanied by some cool tracks, and it seems to me that it doesn’t matter otherwise, there will be, but on our way, uh, some new innovation technologies will appear, and everyone will think that this is probably a new competitor to a living artist, but it seems to me that a living artist will never leave, or more i will say that people will never they don't want to. and for the artists to be replaced by a hologram. although, for example, if we talk about a different kind of art, and painting, yes, the show has become very popular when, for example, paintings or paintings come to life, but are large swamps on the screens. they say so, somehow too volumetric 3d. by the way, i even think about it too. here, maybe make some kind of program, given that i know russian liquid quite well, and of the twentieth century, maybe

combine it somehow with music, that is, to enhance the emotion. that's it, so that the children do it exactly. to teach that it's not just some small pictures there in the tablet, because when you look at a picture, a lot is lost in a photograph. here it should be seen in volume in good light. it is well lit in a large comfortable room. if it is accompanied the right music there, for example, relatively speaking, take 10 outstanding paintings of russian art and 10 classical works. there, too, there conditionally vasnetsov and avazovsky. shishkin there and beyond and there tchaikovsky rachmaninov prokofiev there borodin there roman corse yes, it may be, but children and youth will perceive it more easily both art, because for them it will be some kind of action. well , what, it seems to me, the main task of putting them in for parents is more interesting than this, too, a small nuance. and the attention of a person, it

decreased earlier. remember in the tracks, and in the songs there could be a loss there for 20 seconds for 30 seconds. what is 40 for? and the person continued to listen to the song now our attention has been reduced to 7-6-5 seconds. this is a constant change of a bright picture, which makes you constantly hang in your smartphone and watch something new what we are interested in is reading the browser history, which is we are looking for and gives us exactly that stream of pictures of video memes, like anyone, that where it sits, it doesn’t matter what the music is watching, the stream that will interest us just the same, this extends our number of hours spent on the phone, and it seems to me that as if so, this is the whole story with streaming, because you

see the tracks, they are demolished, in short, in short , if earlier the track could make four minutes, five minutes, that is, an hour. in principle, we already have 2 minutes 2, 15. for 20, or even shorter, 40 minutes, and it seems to me, with avatars - it's the same story. now it will be like a flash. everyone is interested, everyone looked, got carried away, and everything went on. well, what you're talking about, it turns out that art dictates. eh, dictate the technology. well, that is , this here is the transformation of attention, what to do with it? uh educate. well, that is, to counteract or try to saddle this one. well, that is, we will do 220 songs up to 20 will be 2 minutes will be 2 minutes to captivate. yes , to carry away something else gradually, but at the same time we can’t walk for 2 minutes. he can perceive the work, and then i'll try it. we will not name such a concert performance with a famous avatar for some classical work,

because we do not know. yes, we know that the film came out and brought in a huge box office. the children sat until the end. however, yes, and watched for this narrative, because the main character joined a very interesting story. i'm just here for, well, i guess, so if we make a great product that has someone to take the hand, that's what they saw. uh, lucy than putin with the sun of monaco she took the hand and led and a few months. absolutely led a large audience. this is what you know, how funny i look in the car, when i say, i adore kolenikov's symphonies, i put, for example, the fourth part. you really like it, and no matter how i impose, no matter how i admire, no matter how i say that it is very beautiful, that, in principle, it is so mesmerizing and this whole symphony. it just runs through you a person who is next to him either penetrates it or

not, and therefore, unfortunately, we can’t we can impose our opinion and somehow accustom. i think that only time will tell. i just many years. i am engaged in instrumental piano music and i really agree with lucy that there is an audience that accepts this, for which it is very important, who are ready not to bow to many for the fact that i do concerts there and so on, but this audience is not very large. here it is much smaller than the audience of our songs. this does not mean that this audience should not be dealt with, and it should be tried, of course, expand, but it's a very difficult titanic . and in general it's a human work and still they won't listen. after all, if they are used to a 2-minute song, they won’t listen to five-minute songs, either, or they must come to this on their own and or they must or must somehow come up with some special additional visualization for them, because here i am again today i was reading i was driving

in a car i was reading some news that the text is losing its meaning, that young people think more in terms of memes, uh, emoji, there are visualizations with pictures, too, like this serious cardinal global, in general, we live in times of such a global technical technological, of course, revolution. here and uh, progress is very difficult to stop. really. i agree what is needed? well, if you don’t follow it completely blindly, then at least you need to listen to it, keep an eye on it, go in line with the times. especially in our business, because we are engaged. eh, as if in culture. yes, it is, so to speak, a culture that is on the cutting edge, which is, so to speak, but very, but comparable to fashion , so we maybe fashionable we should be modern, otherwise, so to speak, we are moving to another shelf. and you already if we talk about fashion and modernity, that is, a joint track. uh-huh, i mean, the song turned out so cute. well , it's just that when you release songs, you never know if it will become a hit? yes, you never

know, yes i am very funny. excuse me for being very funny when musicians are artists who have written. uh, they seem to be a banger. they say it's a super hit. yes, it's great. it will break. everyone. it will take off for sure honestly when i released an album on which one of the most important tracks was a dream with monaco and we chose what the focus track would be in order to push it correctly, we all chose amur, no one could even think that the sun of monaco would soar. and when the author says that he wrote a hit, most likely, yes, well, they just depreciated. well, not in this. no, no no, just often the author. i also had a situation here when hmm when when there was also an album and there were songs back and forth on it, there and including hits, and i bet there on one song, and then a man came to me with company records and says dim you don't understand anything. this is what i'm saying, this song is there this night she called. this is

exactly what she is. i say take it off. there, let's go back and forth, atahit. she says, no, you don't understand you have this last song on the album. there were 15 songs on the album called more more here it is necessary to shoot these hits. come on, what is it, like a lingering thing, in general, some kind of boring stuffy. here she says. triy is such a stuffy song. yes , do you remember her unison, she has a wind, there turn, you look for me, where. she has a dream; she has the answer right with me for the last time. and you are not surprised by this unprecedented

popularity of groups. here's hands up uh collect stadiums. uh, some kind of ivanushki international. well, this is a new surge of some kind, in fact, this is something nostalgia is just the generation that is now 40-45. uh, it's kind of a little younger than my generation. that's when hands up were, so to speak, very popular. they were schoolchildren, they were teenagers, then, so to speak, all this was forgotten, and then now this wildly popular again. you have a good chance you're in 15. that's what both hands up and okay and hands up especially. this is very danceable music, under which you can rage, have fun, and even the children of these forty-year-olds. i mean, these are your children, you know? they are happy too. take me away as soon as possible for 100. these are counting rhymes. yes, this is it, and now this song is a

popular raspberry, too, right? now i have a little one, well, i’m also 5 years old when malinka ta-ta-ta, this is all from the same series yes flies that yes that is, it's all so simple. i'm not saying they're bad, they're good. they are just very simple, easy to remember. yes, uh songs so it's very cool. many now knew, yes, yes, gubin too. he had wonderful songs. that's right, he started a little later than i did, but we talked very good, he was a guy and i hope, here, uh, just somehow he decided a certain moment. e. well, at least something broke in him psychologically. here he left from show business yes, here are all his songs and music and wonderful words. yes, now he would also be like ivanushka's hands up would work super and that's it. that's why you cut your own career like this, you react when you listen to yourself in karaoke performed by other people before you had to bring a christmas tree. for some reason, either in order to

notice or so that they don’t really hear the song went to the people, it turns out, now if you got caught on the second one, at first it was very, very, very pleasant, and then somehow you get used to it and very often you don’t even hear it, as if how it plays in the background. oh yours is yours song this is such, and it is already becoming public property. yes, you don’t perceive it so much that it seems as if this is how it should affect the life, of course, people, as if they create some kind of create memories for me the most precious thing that a person can be ? when remembrance no, of course, i also have a lot of stories, when here is some song old young adult is already there, the uncle comes up, says, dim, i went to the army to your song there is a girl i said goodbye, then i wrote sad there, she wrote me waited. and now, well, as if everyone there is such music such songs that are associated with some important events

in life. i have one last question. in principle, i already understand, uh, probably the answer, but still. how many years do you think the artist still has ahead of him, when he will defeat all technologies with his talent , skill, voice skills. yes, for my age, it’s definitely enough for luce, i hope it’s also enough. yes, of course, we simply agree, well, it seems to me that we have raised a few, so a lot of creations, you can see a lot further is the air to further develop. and those ideas that came in connection with the avatars of the parents. write to us what you brought our transmissions to your social networks people in your social networks. write send. and here are the social networks, please tell me, lena - cyprus, do you want to be a karabas-barabas with your tame avatar, but you have suffered a lot with the artists, to be honest, on this optimistic note, dear friends, as an announcement about dmitry malikov, this is really an angel . here is an angel man. i believe they

ain't no no, mission uh, in my mind. i am i have worked with various artists. an artist comes, creates an art object with himself, creates an example, creates with himself. eh, a way of thinking and living and gives it as a recipe for living a creative recipe for living and god grant that everyone has a lot of time to create such powerful creative pillars that you need to be a little bit add a little secret when lena and i are in the eighteenth uh, on the 23rd of january we were in the studio and we were recording a good song the last romantic and the call comes to me saying, dmitry yuryevich, it's time to go to the maternity hospital, and i have son was born on the 24th. friends. my new musical generation is already in general being born. yes,

big artists were a little in the top and solstice. lusya chebotina dmitry malikov and roman karmanov elena kiper thank you very much for coming to us. thank you very much, dear friends. good night to everyone who likes not to talk about reading on the first literary podcast under a wonderful title. let them not speak, let them read. well, of course, we will also talk today, but all our conversations are aimed at ensuring that our viewers read with enjoy now this night and always we will say today is a wonderful guest. this is, uh, my old friend colleague alexei varlamov good night alexei varlamov is primarily

a prose writer, the author of very well-known wonderful romanovs, we will also talk about this. hmm in addition, alexei varlamov is the author of a whole bunch of biographies about writers and thinkers of the first half of the 20th century russian. this will also be our topic. well, we can not say that for many years. how many, by the way, 8 years alexei varlamov has been the rector of the literary institute named after gorky, this koltov university, which is located in the very center of moscow, next to pushkinskaya square on tverskoy boulevard, in the house that, e, is glorified in e. bulgakov's novel master and margarita under the name of griboedov's house, although in fact it is herzen's house, as we know very well. well, we'll start with the calculation of the premium. uh, alexey varlamov is the lariat of many awards, he is twice a laureate of the national literary award. big

book winner of the patriarchal prize winner of the solzhenitsyn prize, and what i am very pleased with, the winner of the student booker prize what is indicated on one of the books is a premium watch. unfortunately. uh, for the time being, we will consider it not relevant, this award, when you came up with your obedient servant. it was very nice. that is, it was the choice of students who are not obscured by any official standards. they just read books and chose their laureates. here they are too. chose varlamov chosen i propose to start the conversation with the book, which was crowned with the big book award. excuse me, for this repetition, the second prize in rank, the first second third. here, the second is very honorable the prize was. uh, awarded to alexey varlamov for the book. e. hmm, the name of rozanov is the biography of vasily vasilyevich rozanov and. e.

the self-name, of course, refers to some kind of subtext, but here's how rozanov appeared, he is already the fifth or sixth of your heroes. let's remember them. what were the indicators already eighth eighth, which means that i was behind the times, alexander grin was ready and then there was alexei fat, and then there was grigory rasputin, he is not quite a writer, but nevertheless such, of course, a figure in russian life. and then mikhail bulgakov, then there was andrey platonov then was vasily shukshin and now e vasily rozanov and you are right that, and rozanov, he somehow appeared in my previous books as such, well, a secondary one, one might say, but a very important hero, for example, in the biography of brishvin. yes, the well-known conflict of the yelets gymnasium, when rozanov expelled the geography teacher roznov, expelled the high school student. prishvina loser bully because he did not know, uh,

where is the island of ceylon in response began to be rude. ah, the high schools. it was not allowed to rob the teacher was not allowed. these are institutions was the most serious crime. so, well, e exactly appeared, for example, in the biography of andrei platonov, since for platonov the figure of pink was extremely important. he repelled him and argued with him, but it was so important for him after leaving, they knew each other personally . they didn't intersect. yes, but that. less than exactly shklovsky there is absolutely, a stunning record of electroshkovsky, that when he made such an air flight around russia and platonov at that time he worked as a provincial meorator in the voronezh province, they write that he met a provincial land reclamator who talks about rozov and shklovsky, who wrote the first book of shklovsky, this fact, a parasite and then exactly met in the biography of rasputin by the way, it’s very interesting, because, well, in general, they are used to perceive rasputin so then such a

cranberry frivolous figure of russian life in russian history, but in fact the deepest russians wrote about him, of course, and meleshkovsky wrote. and prishvin wrote the block wrote, white berdyaev wrote sergei nikolaevich bulgakov wrote, but they were more likely to treat him with a wary negative attitude, and exactly like that, she composed a whole monday in his honor. he very unexpectedly praised rasputina, and it seemed to me very interesting in general, but a panicker. uh, if we are talking about pink, it sounds ambiguous from the very beginning, because this is a paradoxical figure and we will begin to catch those who like it, yes , they say all the time that here you are talking for and here you are talking against. eh, a year ago. you say one thing and then another, but this is such a figure, apparently, woven from paradox. he was scolded during his lifetime, and in response he mockingly spoke in a straight line, only ravens fly, and the heavenly bodies move along the alice. and why should i have one point of view on the subject, i have several of them, but

still here i see, maybe i'm wrong. and you, of course, are more of an expert in this field, but i see paradoxical references to dostoevsky's demons here because there is such a famous scene when ivan shatov asks his mentor staurogen was not told to me, i approximately quote they didn’t tell me that russian people can not live without god, and now you say that there is no god. when you are in the ass then or now e and stavropol calmly does not say fourteen. when i didn't lie and now i don't lie. i'm just now speaking from an atheistic point of view, he says there is no moral defect here after all, well, in a moral defect. it’s exactly who you didn’t reproach, but, but it seems to me, uh, i don’t know if he meant taurogin himself when he declared such his position, in general, of course, dostoevsky for exactly a lot meant and in the biographical sense, alinaria recall the first. actually coined this term. the legend of the great inquisition,

the rostov of dostoevsky, the karamazov brothers, there is no such word. legend here and uh, therefore uh, of course, they expressed these reproaches to him, but you understand, what a thing. it was the spirit of the times. i think rozanov, like no one else , reflected the spirit of the time when the already mentioned rasputin was perceived by some as a prayerful elder by others, as a depraved terrible person. when azov is another such important figure, that is, the era from one side. ter terrorist yes and so, it seems to me, uh, rozanov's nature, rozanov 's personality, how sponge absorbed the spirit of the times, and he expressed and reflected the spirit of the times, really very dual, very two-faced, very indefinite. but if rozanov were different. he would not be pink and therefore make claims against him, it seems to me, well, this is a little ridiculous. it 's ridiculous, especially now. well, okay, even contemporaries could reproach him for some kind of moral uncleanliness, but for us now

who are we to judge someone someone's marks for behavior, of course, of course, was what he was and it concerned, uh, all sorts of things. yes, his attitude, there are jewish issues. one of the most such yes, but he actually had a theme of a different attitude towards orthodoxy, he also simultaneously spoke out of christian positions ardently, luba the russian church, on the other hand, wrote such terrible things. about christ , uh, something there, no worm will write attitudes towards russia that are on the one hand. he loved madly, but well, because he loved, he allowed himself the most severe criticism, native country. well, it's straight. so he was like this and my task, the author’s, my task, i’m definitely not saying not to rate him how bad or good he was, but simply to tell the reader that there was such a growth, and the reader is already free to do with with my book, everything that wants to accept my hero does not accept my hero, my task is to honestly tell his story, i see. well, you said a wonderful thing to the legend of the grand inquisitor. this is

really a book that allowed him to engage in literary work. it's ninety the first one seems. yes, i'm not mistaken, but she made him a name, she did. this is what matters. really. yes, that's exactly what i mean, but a very important thing. you said that he invented this phenomenon. yes, he came up with it, because this text does not exist, e, the karamazov brothers. yes, the devil knows ivan's plan , he says that he makes it clear to him that he knows about this plan, ivan in a snake. and he recoiled and said, no, no, just not about that. that is, in general, this manuscript never existed. is it possible to say, so rozanov is adding a lot in russian culture, but, as it were, adds words to the fact that just because of the paradoxes, uh, other less decisive ones who walk in a straight line could not add those who stood on opposite sides of the barrier. it can be said that he manages to do something so perfect that few people understand by the teeth you can say

anything, but it seems to me that the word being added implies some agreement with the original. yes, some continuation is being added , he is rebelling. he blows up he refutes he resists exactly never for exactly always against. when it happens, yes it is here is a water surface that is never calm. she always rolls like waves and destroys everything, and he, and first, is fascinated by something, then just as much. love this is also the most interesting thing. when he studied at the gymnasium, such a difficult biography began in three gymnasiums, he was a bully, a loser, inveterate, uh, scary, but at the same time he said that russian gymnasium students - this is the best thing in russian history, because about the devil's teeth will break them. and then this person becomes a gymnasium teacher and a teacher. he becomes holding muzzle. he was a terrible teacher. he was a terrible teacher. everyone who remembers him remembers some kind of monster, and in this

, too, here are the amazing products of rozanovskaya's personality. well, i must say that the title of the book, of course, is not unconditional. yes, there is some kind of interface here, as they say now, of course, after all. just such a marketing input , uh, and this has nothing to do with this ambiguous strange polysemantic speech that can be on the screen. before roman bertok, i have to appear like a love drama, but in some way, uh, imagine interpretation like filo. and the treatise, and for someone to appear as an exercise in a parallel history, is there still some kind of parallel or or not for you, the rally has become more clear or not, after writing the book? well, maybe it has become a little more understandable, but again i want to say that i myself am different , a lot has been written. yes, a lot has been said, there is an excellent roznov encyclopedia. such a typical nikolaevich putin let's call him, yes, a man playing the first

such biography of various things. in the echo of moscow series health. yes, of course, yes, and therefore i immediately limited the task for myself that i have no purpose to write. this is such a comprehensive book. there is no purpose to write his complete biography. about the meaning of all his work. i confess terrible things when i write biographies of my hero writers. the first thing i do is read a collection of their writings. well , what are you re-reading, something in the first case, the horror of these 30-30 and understood. i won't read this . i just drowned i will drown in this material and my task is very simple to tell the story of his life. here it is biography. in the literal sense of the word. i don't touch much of his work. here is my task to tell, when he was born, who were dad and mom, what were the women in his life, what were the children in his life? yes, because this is family life for a russian person. true, the most important thing, in fact, it is family life that explains all his upheavals. after all, this is amazingly exactly included in russian

literature from a conservative position, yes, in such right-wing positions, and from a monarchical position, and then suddenly here he is like me , and pavel himself is the other way around. yes apostle paul who becomes the most becomes a pagan. he becomes a judaphile, he becomes, that is, this is why it happens paul who becomes the most you can say what happened to him, on the contrary , happened and why it happened, because this is, as it were, one of the most tragic tense moments of his life. this is his marriage history. yes, his first wife was apollinaria suslova many people, dostoevsky's girlfriend yes, well, not very long-term, but in general, some period some period. there were two marriages. this is a significant period. and i think that fyodor mikhailovich would not have written almost anything if he had remained a snake of a huge role, yes, but in his life both destructive constructively and in the life of various things are the same, and then why did they break up and he has a second

wife, but with the first he was not divorced, and therefore the second marriage was not considered a code, although they did not marry in the church, but for the state it meant nothing, and therefore the children who were born in this marriage. they were not legitimate children. they did not bear his last name, they did not have him, patronymic and other things - this wildly angry, wildly angry, that he just did not do in order to turn the tide completely fet. yes, it was absolutely a common story, and people somehow put up with it and adapted to it. i was already in the future grigorievna dostoevskaya . he said you were worried. well, your girls will get married, they will change their last name, and he was furious wild. well , in a terrible situation, he would be such a person, of course, he, with such fantastic ideas about how he was, would die sick, the girls would go out to the panel will become prostitutes, and he wanted them to be dostoevsky again again , sonechka. relaxed, yes, and a prostitute. lisa from notes from the underground and many more who exactly? yes and so he writes a letter to the victorious ruling marquis, and they

say to him, there’s even a heart that he can’t do and even understands that there are enemies around, but enemies, who are they, don’t take the church neisenot. no higher. he is also a maximalist. and who is higher than jesus christ, and this is where the rozanov rebellion against the gospel against orthodoxy against the new testament begins, and from here, his roll in jewry the old testament in the ancient religion, because from his point of view there could not be such a thing, yes, and that's exactly the translation of what is this? because if you do not recognize my children, yes, if christ did not order, as rozanov believes , to recognize children, at least in the interpretation then what over the years it means this is how his christ-fighting arises, not even a rich man. this is exactly christ, because for rozanov it turns out that christianity is a religion with which it is good to die, but it is bad to live christianity against the family against gender. yes, the most important part of human life, connected with the es with physical love, is also,

as if ashamed, hushed up, and exactly in this one, wildly infuriates the most important topic, the most important so-so writes down such details that james joyce just rests . yes, for him, he really was like that. here is an infant profit in every sense of the word. yes, because he could approach any woman and ask. and how are things with her husband still like at night, that there all the universities wanted him to be business or nothing? circumstances can discuss theatrical opening or what, you ate for dinner, that you can't discuss it? this is such a part of life, a huge huge important part of life, and than everything else and so he does it with such a little ingenuous shamelessness and it terrifies them, this stuffy shamelessness. it's wonderful what you said rozanov. i think it seems to me much less, uh, his feelings than, but it seems to me that he is not always aware of his bandage. he is not a price tag,

yes, absolutely organic, just like a child the fact is that here, as if my idea of ​​my book is exactly in this writer to a man whose childhood was stolen. this is how his biography turned out. it's too early to die there, father. mom for the second time, well, actually got married. that's what a terrible man was, he rotted children and was exactly a terrible father. in fact, no, childhood and this childhood. he ran into a dream. he escaped in a dream from all these circumstances. and now, it seems to me, this is a stolen childhood. it then popped out. given such an eternal child , at the same time, nevertheless, rozanov is valuable to us, not just topics. uh, how original he is, unlike anyone else, and by the fact that he expressed the time, because after all, the iron curtain. no matter how much they argue, he is or churchill, but all the same , his idea, of course, was said after yes, of course, yes, yes, this is his metaphor. i am the apocalypse of our time, that is, vasily vasilyevich rozanov, of course, hmm, organically and

directly, i didn’t even always think about what he was doing and expressed a lot of truths. yes, actually the first russian blogger. after all, he came up with this genre e, diary of a writer, it’s still such a slightly long dough, and yet it’s written in such a slightly heavy language in a postoevski manner that he even made a revolution in the language, we speak our own fallen leaves, therefore, books in general. because yes, the person did not read it. well, because by and large roznovskaya journalism is interesting for specialists. well, yes, he is sharply paradoxical, but who will read his numerous articles in the new time and in the russian word it has become part of history, fallen leaves are forever, solitary fallen leaves the genre itself and thoughts in this genre. if you think that this is an essay, i really like what it really is, as if the fight against literature follows some kind of reasoning, and then e famous clarifications.

she is cabbies for but without a matik, sitting backwards on , uh, a pile of cartoons, well, as if there is no literature, but there are, uh, side arguments that visit him at other moments when he is driving cabbies, but in fact, everything is the other way around, if literature . oh well, as prishin said that rozanov this is after the word russian literature fine i free application or diaries crack huge 18 tons, which is now completely forced into 150 years. this is very important, if it weren't for that, we wouldn't know where roznov's grave is. this is terribly interesting, on the one hand, when they were there in this yelets gymnasium. yes, this one kicked him out , in fact, he didn’t break his life, but actually gave him fate. who knows prishvin from the gymnasium would he become, and what was the previous one, and then he wrote down the place where the grave is located in the chernihiv sket, thanks to this, thanks to this, we have now stopped this grave of you, indeed the image of

mikhail mikhailovich prishvin has been greatly transformed in recent years, because it is not only and not so much to write a naturalist, but he is also a wonderful photographer. and most importantly - this is a thinker who, 18 volumes, left invaluable evidence from his time. well, now, according to the plan, alexey nikolayevich is going to bet. it 's called the old book. we will create a new opera and for a long time we will create for ourselves a wonderful and brilliant musician for our theater. i finished the score of two parts of a large symphonic work, a bomb fell on us. it was a direct hit and it exploded over the roof. in general, the blockade is the blockade yes , i worked at home, in addition, i was a fire brigade. and that all the time i dragged you understand my meaning to the protector and from and from his music i didn’t know his name i didn’t know

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reasons for the decline and about the new trends in modern russian literature. the most famous book was at first a lecture by dmitry sergeevich merezhkovsky. this is a very well known fact. here, uh, on the flyleaf there is a dedicatory inscription of the nineteenth year of an unknown person. this book was given to someone on their wedding day. but that's not the point. e, it seems to me that e in this lecture, then in in this book, merezhkovsky comprehends literature and the spirit of the times in a completely new way and in many respects for the first time in the ninety-third year bc, when it was published. e first you. the collection of russian symbolists by valery bryusov appeared in the ninety- fourth year and there is still no russian symbolism. and here merezhkovsky calls to understand that literature is very thin threads connected with the time of merezhkovsky. eh, here makes the conclusion very simple. this is a thick book. and i, uh, almost

only one phrase, the three main elements of the new art, mystical content symbols and extensions of artistic impressionability, my god. how exactly, on the one hand, the sphere of literature includes, er, a lot of what was not included before. we just saw that in a conversation with rose yes, questions of sex questions of everyday life. well, and so on. it's like taboo things like that. that is, as if it were a continuation of positivist logic. we will know. uh, people, typical characters in typical circumstances, realism is still increasing, but we are computer people era we understand that if you increase and increases, then the pixel will blur. yes, here he says, here you appear mystical content. this is a book that, uh, made up an epoch in its time and it is very important , and notable for our modernity, to also look for these keys to look for. uh, such magical master keys to what is

happening in art now. well, we'll be back. now to your creativity to your books. we talked about the biographies of which eight a and e are all heroes. well, they are related to each other. they lived in the same space they represent the same spirit of the times, the king of the guests, and this is the time that you like, as a literary historian, as a philologist, but i don’t know whether you like it or not , but you somehow plow it, but it’s very interesting to me, and i can say that i really have such different heroes, but what unites them, they were all born, and in the nineteenth century, they were all brought up in that system, and they all dila into literature in the silver age, by the way, this is merezhkov’s book in many ways this is such a silver chronological beginning, of course, of course, and then all my heroes in one way or another faced the revolution. it was with this terrible break, the upheaval of russian life, that they had to somehow build relations with this new time. yes, either accept it or not accept it, go into exile, go into opposition, go to the service of the

bolsheviks, whatever you like. yes, they are of great interest to me. they strongly seem extremely important. you know, i 'll try to guess now. uh, the link between your studios as a biographer. uh, and as a prose writer like that, not like that, i would like to talk. eh, this is a book, my soul pavel is very well, my love, it is also a turning point, yes, because uh hmm this book is our contemporaries with you. i didn’t specify, but we are almost the same year, yes, yes, now we are around sixty, therefore, everything related to perestroika was then when we were around thirty or a little less and this is the same turning point. yes, that's how spiritual that's how we, too, in general , brought up. degenerated in one country , brought up in one system of values, and then there was this turning point, which can be to evaluate differently then or otherwise we all found ourselves at some point in another country and had to build our relations. here with

this other country with this other reality. and, of course, this is the era of change that we had to go through, and i'm interested in it. that's how fah, this is what the chinese say there. yes, it seems to be a proverb. god forbid yes lies there in an era of change. so we had to ask a provocative question. is it correct to say once again about a person who is quite predictable. well then is up to 85 years. he was alone after the eighty-fifth year. he became different, and then something happened to him, or he, uh, there is a business there, or uh, something expensive, but wrong, happened to him. ellie, talking about the hero of the time in the 19th century was still hits, if we use our terminology, the book became not about the past, but the burning present, yes, starting with the hero of our time lermontov and then oblomov bazarov yes, actually, uh hmm everything yes

, russian classics, she relevant. modernly there at the captain's daughter. is it to remember well, war and peace, in part, although, there are also modern cases, the punishment of eugene onegin woe from the mind, all chekhov, all dostoevsky people. yes, it's just modern. yes, that is, this is a problem, i also thought about it, why , if in the nineteenth century literature described modern life. today, literature is very retrospective from some point, because igor pushkin there are departures bulba from pushkin the captain's daughter even from lermontov vadim alashnik. of course, after all, in the 19th century, russian literature had almost no competition, but i have in mind that literature really was our everything and main now. i mean just that. yes, and therefore literature felt. this is the need to write about modernity today, there are a lot of different other sources and literature about modernity. maybe that's why it is not quite capable and

wants to compete with them. this is one second moment. but we really, as it seems to me , are doomed to argue about the russian twentieth century, so that we, well, lived through it, but we did not understand it fully. that's what it was it was a controversy about the soviet era. and the soviet union what kind of frying in the soviet union , someone just thinks that you are such a peak in the development of russian civilization, a great country, oh, which we lost for someone, this is such a black hole, a solid, supposedly normal story. and so, it seems to me, literature. here he is making some necessary contribution. yes, in order to deal with this, but if we talk specifically about and my roman, my soul, paul , you understand, what a thing, so i don’t really agree with the fact that the hero of my novel. here such a typical person. for me, he is just an exception, because yes, he is from a closed city from the military, yes, and he is a person who sincerely believes in soviet

centers. we are growing up, again, our dear viewers may agree to disagree there. yes, i remember my youth well. yes, i was born in such an absolutely soviet family. dad, mom were communists, i was brought up by the soviet school of pioneers, the komsomol, but at some point. i realized that everyone is lying to me. and that all this ideological husk that surrounds us and all these correct soviet slogans and all these peoples of the party are one word, another. yes, because life is different and when i entered the university, but at school we were still small there, maybe we didn’t talk much about this topic, but at the university it’s already different. and of course, here is the philological faculty of moscow state university where i studied in the eighties. i can not say that it was some kind of hotbed of liberalism and opposition, but, nevertheless, a healthy critical audience of people. there were cool qualities of a ruby, well, and others and at the lectures of the mikhans. yes, yes, of course, they told how it was. perhaps

the truth about our lives, about forbidden names , about forbidden books that did not reach us, that we wanted to read. yes, we wanted to read all the colors, it all reeled off all pasternak, all bunin wanted to read, and somehow pavel, who is my soul. my soul paul is really. a child who absolutely believes in soviet values, here he is such an ideological komsomolets because he was born in a city where, in scientific terms, this cognitive dissonance, what you are brought up with and what you see seemed to be such an orthodox komsomol member, he is just a warm-hearted sincere person, but he finds himself in a soul environment where political jokes are told, where brezhnev a is ridiculed and he ends up on a collective farm. yes, this is such a fact from the biography, when we entered the university it was completely. yes, in the first year they did n’t send us in the first year, they didn’t send us about right away. so we entered the universities in the first year. uh, state farm brand, well food

a program about the fact that there are few girls and therefore the boys were sent. boys go girls , boys are listening to lectures, which means they are pulling potatoes . and so he ends up on a collective farm, and in this soviet closed city, life, nevertheless, was much better in such material terms and there is nothing higher than where he ended up. well, i'm a children's store and there's nothing? where is the store? well kind of empty, where is the shop, because in his hometown with shops, thank god everything is fine. for us it was a shock in moscow there were a better store, but still we understood approximately, but he simply does not understand. he feels like a black sheep, despite the fact that he is a soviet person, and in the soviet country he feels like a black sheep and looks at him. who are you guy? where did you fall from? you snitch you eat, peony. who are you in the closed city, can he say? i came from a closed city, they have their own secret regime. and here such a guy really had to be, and i also was very curious about myself a real person. he absolutely has a portable. and when i was writing a novel, i had an idea

every time i left university. my whole life was connected there, it was terribly pathetic. so i came as a rector. i thought, i'm honestly writing a novel about the university. here is such a last bow as a sign of gratitude, and these people are a teacher to their friends. and so, how would the casting be to choose the main character. and it would seem that it would be possible to choose some intellectual. so he is such a wise man, such a critical mind, yes and suddenly he realized, no, no, interesting this guy came here. why did you come, because, of course, for us for all university. this is such a powerful muststart, growth is maturation, but it has the lowest point, it seems to have come to the most innocent. it's novel. about the loss of innocence. please tell me, but in the russian academic youth theater, and how, from your point of view, the novel was staged. after all, alexei vladimirovich borodin himself is no more, no less. ah, the famous director. e, undertook to put er, this novel on

the stage of a beautiful theater, how did you take it? how in general is such great luck great luck and happiness in my life often does that happen? yes, that alexey vladimirovich read this novel and suggested that i stage it. here with tinting, though i didn’t do it, because i can dramaturgy have nothing to do with it and did it. uh, such a wonderful young playwright, polina babushkina. by the way, i’ll remind you of gorky’s literary name here, i’ll make an excellent staging and the performance turned out, i remember my feelings very well, and borodin, well, no matter how he attracted me to this work. there's no rehearsal anywhere called, that is, this work is still different. it's more or less separate from you in a way. yes, it is motivated, everything is there. well, that was their job. i remember that they called me. just me guys today there will be a run. come yes, i was very worried. here's what it will look like. here are my heroes on stage, and when i just started it all. i had a complete feeling that i

was in some kind of fairy tale, because it was so cool done. yes, this is different than my novel. it might be different there accents are placed, but, in principle, the heroes of the dramaturgy the atmosphere of time and the echo with our time. it's very interesting, yes, and the disputes that my characters lead on stage are eternal. the theme of love is something of a loss of innocence, it really is such a total loss of innocence, and in every sense of the word. yes, this is such a growing up, but going beyond the circle where everything is clear. after all, it is very easy to live in a world where absolutely everything is clear, clear. and so it is disturbing and strange. yes, my hero is, as it were, brought up. yes, there is still so much important point is that, and when does he advocate novel parenting? yes, a very important point. well , in the novel, he is also in e in the play on stage, and he sets the entrance exams and gets very low passing e, the dean of the faculty, who feels great sympathy for him. in general, there is an appeal, allegedly filing such. in general, he rewrites this whole

story for him, makes sure that he enters, but in fact he has 17 points, and a passing 24 and the idea of ​​\u200b\u200bmy novel is the idea of ​​\u200b\u200bthe performance that he must quickly get these seven points in order to to study and they sat him in a room, here in the smartest guys who should educate, moreover, neither one nor the other is aware of this , and he looks at them from them, here are the enemies of soviet power. they tell jokes and mimic brezhnev. they look at him as an idiot and a snitch, but at some point he begins to learn from them, and they learn from him, but not mechanically takes from them that's just the point, that there is an interaction. yes, of course, it is written here that something doesn’t take right, it would be right, it would be right to line it up. eh, well, such a row, uh, maybe the phantasmagoric students of trifonov aksionov's colleagues and finally the recent novel by alexander of the arkhangelsk bureau verification is all uh roman and students about people who go through this kind of initiation,

yes, when the time is uh, the context is superimposed on those sciences that are taught and are that the main thing is not science. and most importantly, it is absolutely true. yes, no matter how i thought, but probably, if this, well, nothing happened, the important thought is that paul and his neighbors are not antagonists, as it were, they begin by saying that they conflict, but then they still find a common language, they still agree on something, and it seems to me that this is very important for our time. yes, yes, we must learn to negotiate and respect someone else's point of view. so even if you don't agree with it. we should just be able to talk to each other. i love how the novel ends, i think. i made a mistake with the monogamous. pavlik thought with tenderness, looking at the pinocchio and it looks like this girl. mom is single, it's such a beautiful good ending. ya uh hope you will many more books in the genre of biography and in the genre of prose, we are waiting for them. thank you so much for

today's conversation. alexei varlamov was with us today, a wonderful prose writer and, uh, a documentary filmmaker. i wish new books and productions and i say, as usual, read with pleasure. thank you. hello, i'm pilot cosmonaut anton shklarov today i'm visiting evgeny boris kuznetsov venture investor co-founder of the rosatom venture fund futurist colonization of the moon exploration of mars construction of new objects in space today we'll talk about modern projects and plans, how realistic they are. well, the first question for you is eugene. tell us about your activities and how it is connected with space. of

course, i’m far away, but , unfortunately, i didn’t manage to visit space in the literal sense . yes , for now i hope so far, yes, but it so happened that one way or another, almost all life is connected with space. so. uh, like at first, like scientists wanted to do space, but the last few years have been about 15 years. i am engaged in evening investments. venture investments are investments in technology. moreover, technologies that are just emerging. that is, it’s still too early to talk about them, as it were, but in contrast, here it ’s just right. and it so happened that cosmos got into the sphere of venture investments, just for the last 10-15 years. well, from the moment the first investors invested in valonomasks, bezos and others, but large well-known companies. over the past 10 years, venture investments in space have already become quite an active trend; already several thousand companies have been invested. and there i looked at fresh more than $270 billion of data has been

delivered to these companies and the private space industry. it can be said that they have taken place, that is, they are already, and in terms of price-quality ratio they are even ahead of the classic projects created, well, they compete at the same level, yes, they compete, of course, very well. that's why, through this prism, through this here, access to venture deals. i look at what is happening, that is, ah, what is the point of venture capital investments, you invest a little money now in a company, then it develops and becomes in 10 years already large and large, and now you see what you are investing in, so there is literally 10 years ago. when i told you about some things about space investments in russia, they were somehow very skeptical about this there, for example, the space internet or something else. and now it is already clear that this is a large industry that has taken place, so when i look now, what they are investing in now. i can also look with some confidence at what will happen in 5-10

years. never with 100% unfortunately, we got married always a huge amount of risk. that's why venture. that is there even to say that most of the companies are invested. she doesn't take off. it's a common story, but the ones that take off they bring in enough money to make up for it all. you invest, uh, money, look for uh projects that you are interested in at all. eh, were there? russian projects that you yes you know to invest. we are in our time. it was back in the fourteenth year, together with the agency for strategic initiatives. i then worked in the russian venture company, they launched it like this called the national technology initiative. this is such a program to find and support promising startups in russia, and we have created several working groups there. one of those working groups. uh, spaces.net. just about space, by the way, sergei zhukov is there, uh, runs everything. here, for sure you know, yes, yes, here and uh, hmm we looked,

well, a lot quite a few dozens, if not hundreds of russian startups, and some of them, uh, are still of great interest. i uh in a few uh ones almost invested, but just an investment process. it is always such that there is a lot to go through the stages of phases and not always the structure, because it will always be needed, and so on. well, to is one of those startups that i liked the most. it was here, for example, and a related startup. uh, with organ printing in space 3d bioprinting. solutions is a startup made by yusuf khesuani, a cool startup, and he flew to orbit, if i'm not mistaken in the eighteenth year, and they were printing. uh, the pancreas, or rather, the thyroid gland of the mouse successfully they printed it back to the ground, in general it was a very interesting story that the americans were also in a hurry to do it and there was a

real race, who would be the first to launch a 3d printer and the first launch was unsuccessful, but they managed because the rocket exploded. yes, yes, yes, here. but they are, because the printers refused. no. no, it's from a rocket. yes, but we didn’t make it to the next one, which means we were still the first. yes, this is such a provocative question. why do we need 3d bioprints in space, in general, everyone is looking for it now. what unique goods can be made in space, because it's, well, a completely different medium , it's expensive to fly, and so on, uh, organ printing, just one of these areas, because well, let's take the heart, for example, and it 's yellow, there's a lot of air in it 3d printer. how does it work, it prints layer by layer, if it prints on the ground, uh, this layer then the cells will fall, and it won’t print a hollow organ, or you need some kind of substrate, then it’s difficult to take it out somehow, but in weightlessness such a problem. no, he can lay out cell by cell, until such a complete organ is laid down and the heart is already quite capable. well, this

is all a debatable story now, because, and everyone is looking for, and in space, it’s just some way to produce something vital that cannot be produced on earth, this is now microelectronics, biology, pharmaceuticals, after space has become more accessible, now a lot has rushed, but to set up such experiments and everyone is waiting for such a blockbuster, what is there? it will be profitable to produce and for this it is already possible to build industrial large stations. that is, it turns out that we are harmful to people in space. well, weightlessness unfortunately, it has a detrimental effect on the human body. we are looking at how to direct it the other way around, and the direction we are pasture from weightlessness, as far as i know, is really very much now, but there are a lot of questions in medicine. but this, uh, you probably know better, and at least, there were various kinds of discussions. unfortunately, so far, materials, for example, that a number of tumors in weightlessness

behave differently, maybe even better amenable to therapy, and so on. that is all they are looking for such an uh option to find, but a plus from weightlessness, not a minus evgeny and now what kind of domestic projects do you support, now we are investing in shutting down projects related to artificial intelligence. a or with a such a new energy. here is the energy industry based on there electric vehicles and so on. that is, what is now very stormy. by the way, one of our projects is connected with, uh, robots. e, which are able to perform their work without special programming. this is a very cool story, because usually on programming is wasted, the biggest uh, labor input. it is very long and expensive. here , every movement of the robot is programmed, and such a robot, right under the drawing, can do everything and it turns out that it does. it's like a man in speed and better than a man in quality. that's just in space. i think such robots will find all applications, because there will now have to build a lot of objects. when do you think e will come, the moment when e will be created in the space

of the industrial structure, that is, we will produce it on an industrial scale. you know? and it seems to me that we are very close to this, but because space exploration is historical. in my opinion there were two problems. one problem is being able to do something, which is, well, get enough stuff into orbit to make something big and for a long time. it was expensive, but now it goes. and the reduction in the cost of delivering cargo to orbit, that is, almost 10 times, also happened, and possibly another 10 times before the end of the decade. and, of course, this already greatly facilitates the possibility of orbit throw the game and people there and so on, but on the other hand. eh, when we solve the problem of possibility, the problem of need arises. and what to do in orbit, what is all this for? and before, this was such a problem, chickens and eggs, and the absence of the first led to the fact that the second did not develop, that is, it is still expensive. why experiment, but now, when delivery becomes cheap, and an explosion begins right away, and attempts to do

different experiments. here are a lot of startups, including russian ones they propose to make semi-autonomous laboratories that can be put into orbit and there to experiment something back to earth and see what happens, for example, the chinese. so they picked up one technology that we did not develop e. chris was taken to orbit and their expression grew well. after that, therefore, it is quite possible that what used to be such bold experiments will someday become just such a routine task there to use the cosmos. have seven features for some technologies. here. eh, now it's hard to say when all these two trajectories will converge into one, because cheaper prices will require another 10 years or 15 years of work. but the search for cost-effective production in space will also take, probably, somewhere the same 10-15 years, so everyone looks at somewhere in the thirties-thirty-fifth year, as the year of such a big breakthrough, when it will already be clear how build a large orbital

station and understandable. why build it? i took tomato seeds with me. uh huh, they told me those tomatoes were still at the station world, were exhibited there for half a year or about a year. i exhibited for another half a year and it turned out that the peeled tomatoes are much better. much more stable than those that, uh, the same seeds from the same 7 months that were on the ground. yes, great. let us turn our attention to our closest celestial body, the moon, what do you think we need in the exploration of the moon, you know, it seems to me that now it is very important to talk about the moon and strive for it, because and if earlier it was exclusively such a political, some kind of ambitious task, whoever sticks the first flag, there and so on, now it turns out that the moon is a key element in further space exploration. the fact is that, indeed, no matter how much we reduce the cost of launches from the ground. all the same, a huge amount of cargo is needed, but in space it is somehow to get it from somewhere, and the cargo is in

the simplest, for example, and water, for example, the same oxygen, and the same diverse metal. there is iron to the titans and so on and carry their land. it will still be expensive in space. all this is and everything on the moon there is, but the launch of the moon is worth it. well much cheaper there you need much less fuel. well, that is, a huge rocket takes off from the earth, and a small landing module takes off from the moon. there. e, there is 1/6 gravity yes, yes, yes, it seems that gravity is six times less and fuel is needed there, e.g., ten times less, that is, it is much easier to do it there, especially since lunar fuel. maybe the same water split oxygen into hydrogen. and here you have the engine refueled and it turns out that the moon turns serious infrastructure facility. there you can extract fuel, you can extract vital substances. it is possible to mine metals , deliver all this to the orbit and because of this already assemble large structures, well, it’s clear that some materials will need to be transported from the ground for complex electronics, but some support

farms, and some kind of e-shields protected by there, so that meteors do not pierce all this, you can carry the moon, you are talking about water, yes, which on the moon, as far as i know, it has not been proven that there is water there, but on the moon, perhaps in of two types, the first is classical ice, and now there are a lot of experiments going on, including chinese american ones, who are trying to find these ice deposits, primarily in e. polar craters, where the sun never looks, and there it is quite possible that ice has been preserved in its original form. water is, in general, cosmic e, substance. he was even brought to earth by comets by and large, but this is a hypothesis. and the fact that we put it exactly that in the lunar soil in the regalite water is contained simply in the form, well, hydroxides and everything else, that is, it contained in the form of minerals. from these minerals. it is quite possible to extract it in russia, by the way, there is a wonderful laboratory in mrs., and which has learned to extract water from e, just here is a religious and

similar substances. right now , there is a race around this, that is, who will be the first to be able to get, and water from a religion, first of all , weightlessness, and secondly, without involving any earthly energy, that is, using either solar energy or some -there is electricity received from solar panels, here is the first one who will receive consider that he got, uh, the opportunity to move on to the industrial production of water on the moon, that is, we began to talk about lunar bases. yes, what do you think, what problems will we face? well, i mean humanity when building a hole. well we all know the problems you know them, better than me, of course, uh, other gravity and radiation are primarily there, and we are not protected by the atmosphere with a very weakly protected magnetic field, that is, there are very harmful conditions. well, there are a lot of very specific problems on the moon. for example, here is this famous moon dust, which has the property to crawl absolutely everywhere a and it is unlike our dust. a. she

never weathered earthly dust. she is so smooth. well, micro-particles are smooth, and everything is spicy there. that is , when it sits down on the skin it’s very hard, yes, that is, it’s all very hostile , unfavorable, the environment and how to survive there for a long time is not just for a person to fly there for a couple of days, then back. eh, how to catch my breath to cross myself, and that's it. everything is over. and how to fly there for a year even in orbit it's hard to spend a year, and on the moon there with everyone with problems. well, except that gravity will be much easier, so now everyone is discussing. how to build these space bases? well, one thought, you need to somehow dig deeper so that the rocks protect you from uh, they are looking for caves. yes, yes, yes, yes, caves, so that yes, it would be much easier just behind the mountains. yes, absolutely exactly. but there are options, for example, with construction. i've seen such projects, including russian ones , here, but at samara university. uh,

a block 3d printing project was done building from religion, that is, they crush it. then they turn it directly from what you take under your feet and make heat blocks. well, there you just need water, because i must say to fasten the heat, but there i don’t know the details of the technology, but for sure water will be needed. ah, and now from them to put together some kind of building houses and so on, then you need to build large fields of solar e-batteries. and how will they work there? the winds are good there. no, but the dust still sometimes takes off, like it sits down, how to erase a million of technically very mundane questions, but as surely astronauts are in orbit. they also solved not only scientific problems, but also a lot of everyday issues. i remember, for example, the task of physical activity in space itself. she, too, was not immediately solved, she was solved for a long time, so that an adequate load of the problem would not become, yes or solve. how to decide? yes, yes, yes, that's why the moon, it's kind of as good as a goal, but when you get to it, there are a million problems to arise, so it's necessary by hand sample. why here is the question, it

is necessary to fly, be sure to set up a base there. well, already further to solve problems as they arise, for example, when the base starts, as it were. well, i'm hoping that before the thirtieth year, the base will be soldered literally here. 7 years, well, technically , this is probably already now, that is, there are rockets that can reach the moon. uh, first base is like that. well, how to say a trial one, it can be quite similar in design to an orbital station, that is, from the same modules. well there it could be something cover cover. this is a technical issue. but already there, when such a base appears. now the experiments of building everything else and so on will begin. well, to build a base and then mine industrial production. uh. uh-huh resources that are just e in the bowels of the moon, other astronauts will be needed. not like i don't know astronaut geologist, yes astronaut drillers astronaut who manages the robotic system that will uh, recycle send it to

some i don't know, probably a new center preparation. astronauts are needed specifically for that. well, i think that all the same, the astronauts are the main ones - this is not an earthly profession, but the space session, that is, the ability to survive stress, the ability to find solutions to any problem. it seems to me that the main thing in an astronaut. so, as for the basic specialties, you need to prepare there already. e people who understand the dialogue? well , you absolutely rightly noticed that the main thing, perhaps, the competence will be the ability to work with robots. they are progressing incredibly fast. that is, i'm like a person, investing in robots, i can say that there is phenomenal progress, that is, robots are becoming very smart, but in a literal sense, that is, here is the news of the last month, that a robot already communicates with people in such a way that people simply do not understand with whom they communicate, and hmm they become the same smart engineering tasks. that is, they can solve a lot of issues. there is no need to program on the spot. he'll figure it out quite well

. what to do? therefore, i think that by the time we bring our space technology to the ability to build a base, but no, then the robots that will eat there themselves will drill. there will be no problems at all cosmos - it’s like, they say, astronauts, a separate culture and even a culture of thinking, so you need to somehow move in this direction too, but move, because if before it was all theory and reasoning about the distant future in galaxies far, far away. that is, now these are already business plans. that is, now, if you want to have in the thirtieth year, uh, at least a part of the lunar base on the moon, you need to design it right now. yes yes, pledge money? yes, yes, well, as an example, and now the energy revolution is developing very rapidly. one of its elements is hydrogen cells, that is, hydrogen cells , like fuel, hydrogen cells for cars for some kind of chemistry , and so on for all these industrial ones. uh, products need platinum, and platinum is

very limited on earth. we all know it will be there. dear, that there is not enough of it, but i don’t know if platinum is needed there, let’s say 10 times more, if it’s in the current. market to apply such a demand, then its value flies 10 times up and the economy will never converge, but last year the first experiment was undertaken. i don't really know the results yet, because i think the launch has been delayed. it will probably happen this year, but at first they tried on the compatriots on attempts to extract because of the building material we pay. this is what the americans want to do. eh, experiment. if it succeeds, then by the way, flights to asteroids to the moon for rare substances will become the norm. and we have a very interesting object with from the point of view of geology, various asteroids fell into it. and when an asteroid hits. he, well, just scatters all the substances there. well, they are literally digging with a scoop there, a little bit deep there, a meter deep. so the body has gone and now the main question is to scout as soon as possible

, because there is the very law there. hmm who first flew to that place of birth. by the way, this will be a separate interesting question, someone will find instead of birth, a station will be set up, someone will fly in to put it nearby. nobody knows to dig together, yes no forbids, directly very interesting question. somehow generally will regulate hmm the most likely seems to be the negligence of the staff, which led hospital infections could be mistaken once or twice three, but dozens. well, it's simply impossible dmitry you understand. no one will take it, i spoiled it and shamed people like you, the main fear is to leave the city in a good way, when people find out that it was the

doctors who provoked the epidemic, patient zero, a big premiere tomorrow after the program. a japanese billionaire flew to me for 12 days, and he said that he already paid for the ticket in the first crew that will fly. well, he will fly around the moon, that is. here it is sauna masks for you to work in the next project is no longer roskosmos but nasa almask. uh-huh what are the prospects for tourism? you know, uh, i confess that for a long time i treated space tourism, how well, such a frivolous amuses me to invest there, too. well, like, some billionaires spend money, but lately my position is starting to change, firstly, as the industry develops. there is a rather significant lower prices, that is, if we talk about

today, but about the end of the decade there, then, in principle, it will, of course, be very, very expensive tourism. well, for us, yes for ordinary people, but it will be comparable to expensive types of tourism on earth. that's why space tourism is becoming available, the second thing that makes me very reassuring is that it's going pretty well. much work has been done to find medical feasibility for being in zero gravity or in reduced gravity. so far, everyone is looking at the cosmos as risks. well, that is, here is radiation, low gravity degradation. maybe not for a person, like a dangerous environment, openly we say the lord yes, but , uh, now they are looking for some reasons to still hang out in this environment. here, uh, you probably know there was a completely famous american twins experiment. yes , the twins were not launched, and one twin spent 7 days in orbit, and the other spent, in my opinion, 450 years. yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you

know that, and then they compared the length of the telomere telomere. these are the ends dna, which are responsible for its ability to divide without errors and as cells divide in our body. these sections are shortened . and when it becomes, a very short cell stops dividing, uh, grows old and dies, and it turned out that an astronaut flying in orbit. uh, these telomeres are longer than those of someone who flew, i'm sorry, and lengthening the telomere is one of the proven ways to extend life, health, and so on , it's clear that the dangers of flying into space, for now, greatly outweigh these benefits, but who knows at least before it was such a rather exotic entertainment. and now quite a lot of experiments. that is, now it is necessary to study the mouse to fly to the iss. but quite a few companies are now making semi-autonomous modules. you launched this mouse.

she chatted there for a week, went down to you and delivered. yes, yes or a fly, yes, and looked what happened to her there, that is, with a sharp increase in the availability of space. i hope that a lot of new medical reasons will appear. and so, if the cosmos turns into a therapeutic justified procedure. that's when it will be completely. conversation, well, on my own i can say, my pressure is, as it were, normal on earth, sometimes 130 140. and that is, this is such a wake-up call to my doctors. they follow everything there clearly. but in space, for half a year , this is always how an astronaut should have 120. i can say this for sure. that's great. here is great news. here is for us cosmonauts e. the moon is presented as such a platform in order to work out our landing systems, well, let 's say landings in general, this is our goal now is not the moon. at astronaut. our goal is mars so that a person can land there to work, take some samples and return. well, everything, just as historically it was difficult in your opinion, what

awaits us further after the moon mars. in general, do you need to go to mars, you know? this is uh a very interesting question, uh, with no definitive answer. he keeps changing this answer. in fact. i understood the history of space financing. this is also a very important question, no, no money and no flight, right? and ah, mars at one time played a little evil service, because, as it were, when they became talking about mars began to arise a lot of questions. and why do we need mars and at that time there were no answers. that is, the americans flew to the moon. they were late for courage, and they were the first to fly into space. they had to somehow prove, yes, and they spent a lot of money, the most expensive, scientific program in the history of mankind, in order to fly first on courage, and now, when they did not fly first to the moon and their own accountants there, the senators started there. ok then. you guys have landed. so what is next. why do you need march? they took it from there, but they, by the way,

there were more flights. yes, these poles are planned. that is, there are not 18, there, 17. yes, but there were much more and they really stopped because the money ran out. yes, and further. and what is there to do next? again , pour it out again to strike? yes, we already jumped and rode the rover. indeed, this is a historical fact. and so the question arose. why was this question not raised in march? that's for the answer to be, well, here's the classic that humanity has to push the boundaries of the achievable frame enough, yes. mars is simply the closest planet. maybe there's nothing in it interesting, but after it we can move further in the solar system. well, sometime, and when some claire is sitting, some ministry of finance, he watches it, that's what he says, well, guys, i understand everything you want, but we don’t have money and the conversation begins why i didn’t come across with only accountants, but you know, with such political activists who, for example, say, but why are you spending money on this? we have people here who are sick. we have a climate here, that is, there is always water not enough. we have on earth. e is. uh, a lot

of tasks, when you can spend your billions of dollars, and therefore for a very long time mars just played a bad role for astronautics, because he did not explain in any way. why are we spending this money, then a mask appeared, he came up with a completely crazy idea. he said, so know the land. you can ditch, but mankind will survive, and oddly enough, this uh responded, because as we see people, for example, with the climate. the same can screw up a little. and therefore, indeed yes, ecology, yes, therefore, to screw up from the planet and, as it turns out, it is possible, and even then human life will be cut short , people will disappear, as a species, you need to have some kind of alternate airfields. and here musk suddenly drove through this crazy idea. uh, because somehow people thought about the truth really. why not? let's get some pennies, well, we 'll spend some billion dollars there. but we will have an alternate airfield, and therefore i can say that if we

take pure economic models, i still look at this problem, not so much like a romantic. how much as a financier, yes, it ’s really from the point of view of money that mars is not really needed yet on mars there is almost nothing of that, uh, what is not on the earth, the moon or asteroids, but plus still there gravity more than on the moon, that is, to launch from there it is necessary to extract fuel there, therefore, by the way, the environment is aggressive there, and they are always aggressive. yes, there are no radiation belts there, er, there, in my opinion, this is almost more radiation than the moon. that is, there, as it were, not a very good place, so it turns out that mars is still in question. but the moon, on the contrary, immediately acquired many advantages, because , firstly, it is closer, secondly, they have everything we need and thirdly, if we really want to fly to mars, then let's not launch from the earth there are eight launches there or six stars each. to deliver the required amount of fuel to the orbit in order to fly to mars. let's deliver the same amount from the moon in one launch, and

instead of six launches, you will have two launches, one in the ground, one lunar chair . and now you're on mars the economy immediately suddenly acquires. e meaning, and therefore in my some personal kind. i think that we will first begin to explore the moon and near-earth asteroids, because they are from the point of view. here are the extraction of resources, of course, very sugar. but mars is more likely in my understanding. it is still further, that is, mars it seems to me that it is needed as an intermediate point in order to fly even further yes, because here are really interesting from the point of view of science and possible some other stories, for example, the lunar jupiter because there is, perhaps, life in the underwater oceans. there is very interesting geology. there is something completely different, and the environment in general in the world is now beginning to emerge such a con. why are we building in order to develop the oceans? we need to build ports

in order to develop the land. to the city to build anything. but no, the railway is everything, yes, therefore, on now everyone is looking at space as a logistical platform in this sense, the moon is like a port where substances are mined. you need to hang all sorts of stations too at the point or vibration. there, in different orbits, so that they exchange substances with each other there, there, and so on , pull up asteroids, that is, this already applies to such, as it were, a large construction site. i also take a pragmatic approach. the economy is already there. in the same place it is possible to count there there a billion here billions. this is already beginning to interest people, more seriously, like let's fantasize. yes 60 years ago. we launched the first part of 50 years, go ahead. how do you see man in space in general? i'm one of those bone optimists, that is, i'm sure that over the next 20 years, basic infrastructure and land. moon asteroids will be built ah,

mars probably still the next 20 years, but if we talk about fifty years, i think on the scale of the solar system. mankind will become a cosmic species. that is, as it is now called, that is, we will learn there. well, if you don’t live, then spend enough time there, there will appear jobs, there will be rest houses and everything else, in principle, once again, this does not prevent us from doing anything right now, except for the economy. that is, we have not yet learned how to make money in space. but we are now very actively learning this. the americans in this sense are very people, and how can i say, they are straightforward and a very important element of the show for them, uh, how would they always understand that, uh, for something to be, and it must be attractive very beautifully. and so they came up with this beauty, uh, published a report. ah, i'm so indirect indirectly had to do with this, so i know this story, as a report on the cost of asteroids.

e in the large asteron belt and and so that everyone is just finally there, all these sheikhs there, chinese and billionaires of american episodes, they finally dispossess the kulak, they hung such a figure that the cost of a common asteroid belt. this is approximately 10,000,000 dollars. how to present it? i will simplify this a little now, but only one astroyat psyche, which is supposedly a fragment of the planet's core, and therefore it consists from the same metals, including platinum and gold. here he is worth 10 quadrillion dollars, and a cavaleon is a trillion billion. that is, it’s so much that it’s enough to catch this and that’s it, just fly to pick it up a little, and everything is already richer than anyone on earth. and naturally. this is nothing more than a myth, but it is already something practical. that is, if such a stone dangles in space, it really dangles, which costs more than all the earth. well, or

at least all economies, then this is already a business. at least i know for sure that, since the publication of this report in the bang america morgensteil, the number of investors in space has increased dramatically, including from non- american ones . and they think where to spend it. and you know there is a lot of such old money in the world that needs big projects, that is, there is some sheikh who has 80 billion in his account there. and here is the anti-80 billion, but where he can place them on the stock exchange, but this is too much. it will warp, because you want something interesting that you can show off to other sheikhs, and there are hundreds of such investors in the world. for example, in america they calculated that out of fifty billion. here are the top 15 lists that were purchased into space, so here are all these stories, they look funny, such lure, but they

really, but really rocked this story. but i have another such tale on this subject. i love her very much. here. how do you think? and what product brought from america after its colonization by europeans was the most discovered influenced, uh, history, i don't know. usually they answer that silver well, because when spain was looking for silver, it became the richest country in europe. no, there was a gold rush. there, well, silver was transported in absolutely quantities more than gold, yes, but in fact, uh, spain was not of much use from this silver. she was two centuries old. there are three of the richest countries in europe and then, when the silver ended, and bang and formed like a house of cards, and the most, and the product that influenced the history was her potatoes, when they didn’t understand at all what to do with it, because they thought that, probably, they should eat what had grown from above, but

oh brave in russia, when peter the story was exactly like this, they planted it and fed it and fed it like food for pigs and thought, well, it 's kind of useless. well, such a moderately useful plant for pigs to paint flowers. yes, flowers. yes, for the time being, it means that the dutch have not learned from the first. there are tubers that peter tried to infect, or rather , the germans were the first to learn not the dutch, there there was the thirty years' war and there was a terrible famine. in the same place, in my opinion, a quarter of the population of germany died from war and famine, and they began to take food from the pigs, and they suddenly saw that the tubers were delicious. why when you come to germany they have classic salads? yes, because for them potatoes yes , potatoes are what saved them and made germany the most rapidly developing nation in terms of the number of people, that is, in terms of growth rates, germany grew exponentially and here are the potatoes, she gave. here's an influx of uh, calories

for european food. after that, europe began to grow explosively in terms of numbers, began to settle on all continents , created economic growth, and so on. that is, why is it that we do not always know why we are going, that is, the spaniards went to america for gold. and most of all, the story was influenced by potatoes, which were brought by accident, so we do not know that in space we think that there is gold there. well , even now we don’t know, we know that there is gold and there i don’t know nickel or maybe there there is something. what we do not know, but what will affect our history, since potatoes, here we do not know, here on this positive and good note. i propose to end our conversation today. i am convinced that we have something else to talk about, and we will do it together in the future. thank you for coming and telling a lot of interesting things even to me, a person who works in the space industry was very interesting with you in general. thank you

my voice is like water pouring through wires. and you come in you answer, and then i can like all this.

reach for the sun reach for the sky we'll go where you haven't been. and we will not return dignity. we are starting our next episode of the paws podcast on channel one. today we have a charming girl visiting us - this is a mono singer. hello project exproject

monokini is now a singer mono is a singer who wrote a bunch of dance hits and not only the main one, of which of course is reach for the sun, but i like the wind more. it's all thanks to maxim fadeev maxim fadeev wrote this case. who is writing to you now? well my main hits - this is thanks to maxim reach for the sun, the wind is ticking and many others. wow , very, very, very much. yes, the wind, just too gorgeous. by the way, until now, when some of these national teams are such concerts of the nineties and two thousandths. you're just the audience is going crazy. i take pleasure reaching for the sun wind. i sing for the audience, she goes crazy on stage. that's what is valuable for an artist. she 's like this all on stage, it's not. you

showed it wrong. here's one on stage. here's how you showed it. you boys her backing dancer. no. you know that they could, they show you that they love you, you know, in the fire they are around like this, they will do everything, but in fact it is their job. it’s just that they are like that, but sincerely in my heart , if sasha and i danced you, we would sincerely do it, you understand, the ending is needed, of course, so such a style, hold on until you know how, like, by the way, by the way konstantin aleksandrovich we continue our program. yes, he wants dance hits not only hits, the main ones, of which one of the composition that will be performed by the late donkey, okay, we didn’t figure it out, but we’ll figure it out and ask you to stay the same. we are visiting. polina rostova is the most powerful hit on

the edge of the rain, in my opinion, it was used almost for the first time there . this is after the singer's song became popular with us. this is where you give out auto-tuning in the song on the edge of the rain, it's just there, but i listened directly to the effects all night, brother and napoy, please, you can write on the edge of the rain, just leave, forgetting you. i remembered my youth. i remember this song, i just listened her cassettes were back then, yes, for now. i succeed, it's pebbles. just leave, forgetting

you, stay away from the night of the day. i'm just a child. i also listened to this song. i really like what polina rostova has become now, in a sense, these are two completely different singers, which was then as an artist, yes, then there was e on the edge of the rain, now more than your real voice and the song out of time is nowhere. it 's great when you go upstairs, right before it rains. wow. very cool, because, well, when an artist starts writing songs for himself in a different way, and then you were a project. e, dmitry moss and anatoly lopatin wrote for me, but years have passed and now i write in tandem with my husband. my husband writes my lyrics, i write music for my songs. and when an artist writes songs for himself, he feels them differently, he lives them differently. he just creates them. and this,

of course, is different, because no one can feel me better than me and my closest person. and that's why they are probably even different. i felt that it was my husband who was writing the text. do you know why i feel handwriting? no i am i understand, uh, how a man thinks, when he writes the texts of a woman there, you understand everything about the fact that you are my only one. i will die without you. eh, and i understand everything without you. here it is in general. it’s like he wants to hear it himself, but the fact is that m-m in these songs that my husband and i wrote together, and many stories that i once lived in past relationships are sewn up, how would we think what you write about song? i say, listen, i had such a story. well, well, well, well, as it were, yes, why there, why did i suffer? why there it ended, and why did i feel offended there or lonely there? well , in short, yes, and he composes the text and then a song appears, well, something like that, we had this many times, but no one knows does not know what song about whom, because he was

offended, probably, in general, yes, they are all autobiographical almost all autobiographical. yeah, i um forgot to introduce my good one. uh, this informational shame of the fatherland. who he just wasn't. he was a sailor, even true alexander anatolyevich, but a man who came up with the news block well, i didn't come up with, uh, informational musical, uh, message broadcasting, but i've been doing this for a very long time. yes, on this one. by the way, yes, our podcast is called 20 years later, and therefore today we are talking about 2001, when we went with sasha from the first channel to comment on the eurovision song contest in copenhagen, where my mitrol performed, with the song lady altayne, damn, a cool song they were sued a little there. we even got a look won by duets from estonia i called him an aphrist of political correctness. naturally. well, everyone showed himself funny. we heard

homeric laughter in headphones. we had a connection with the studio and somehow everything rolled. i added a little we were told. guys, here you are radio maximum, here's how you do it on the air, do it. you mtv-shnik make your own story. you two will do just fine. here with this approach. well, as you say, we were given the green light. we behaved very well. it was very pleasant what they told us, well, you are generally kt makharadze and nikolai ozerov, which of us is who is kt-maharadze, who is nikolaezer? i don't know, but this is the highest award in sports commentary. and when we made these comments, and i must say from copenhagen that i did everything from memory, and konstantin aleksandrovich had a magic device called leps and he quickly got some information from there, we

grinded it, and we did it all in the shortest leads. as live as possible, and that's probably okay. it 's just the opposite. so it should be, and then we were told, you yourself have at least heard, i was caught thinking that, please, i can not quote. yes, and that i myself i can quote the bones, but he might remember me somewhere, but when i looked at the recording, i also thought, huh? okay, since everyone liked it, okay? it was bold, you already started on your own, we only on your own information was official, but we processed it on our own there and we persuaded the public to get sick. everyone told me. that's around in your ear will win your exactly on them they were snapped up every evening. they were jimming. every time at saucek every time at rehearsal everyone said they would win in result. what is the twelfth and i

finally realized that eurovision is, well, not for them at all. they really tweaked the sound for the performance. it's generally unpredictable. all. i believe that our predictable we had a banquet. we talked and talked with the woman who organizes all this. yes, and we were with her at the banquet. she smiled enigmatically at me . who wins show how she smiled. it's a mystery. you see, like, it's a big secret, but you're actually the most interesting. the most interesting in hoffengage didn’t happen exactly on the auto-party, when everything was over and in the evening all the musicians who lived in the same hotel met ah down the stage, there was such a scene, and there in uh free access to the instruments. it's clear, everyone there baked, who orcs are so many mumiy mumiy well, okay, that's it, let's go. all passed remember what was on mtv in 2003. and now we have already gone to eurovision in the third year tattoo tattoo noise

was a lot, of course. yeah, but not then at the peak they were good. what is the third place, that's all and quite predictably, they were directly sure that they would win in t-shirts with norman , they came out of one differently. they were about to enter. there was an inscription, of course, if we had a-a hot. yes, they were purposefully aimed at the victory, i think that mr. shapovalov was more directed than they? well, of course, they just got high, because, but they represent the country, this is a high. yes, i told you, yes, that i recently found out that shapovalov turns out to be a child psychologist. this is the first and main one. yes it group secret. i think, after, of course, the melodies and vocals did not advertise and do not advertise. well, there are a few nuances, i talked a lot about this. you just don't follow the creativity. ah. katya and i

are very friendly with yulia, we communicate very strongly, our children are very friendly yulia yumi chu is a good person. she is so kind. she is so open. here, as if we communicate with him like a family, and our children are very friendly and hmm in the sense that she does not have any star fever, not so long ago i even played producer of the tatu group in a feature film. but it doesn't matter if we skip it, but i have a direct relationship with this group. true well , something like that personally. or maybe in the end, when the tatu group appeared on mtv a little earlier than this performance at eurovision, it was still a sensation. they've been here for how long they've been this was the situation. this is the hottest period, when mr. shapovalov led

them by the hand, not because he was a child psychologist. and because he brilliantly was able to tell me how old you came into show business. eh, what year was it? i was only 19 years old, well, maxim fadeev just called me from volgograd, they called me, and i was like this with a towel on my head. and they called me and said that it urgently needs to be heard to understand. polina heard in karaoke is a well- known story. i sent my demos and my printed photos to moscow, yes. i call and i. as a matter of fact, just like that, uh, i left everything and went teleported to him on the train, yes, so, i came and went to his studio, and he told me yes. you are the same as in the photo everything is here. now we're on the kin, he came up with the name, right? this is a swimsuit, as far as i understand, a bikini, it's two parts. yes, and why

have you never performed in a monokina? i looked for all your clips looked after ah. i feel uncomfortable for konstantin alexandrovich, many began to get acquainted with creativity, because and then there was music. yes, i saw the clips, and then i saw your performances more already, uh, 10 years later, there are some discotheques of the 90s that are not supported there. and fun, because you can't buy fan loyalty. i understood, of course i already hinted that you were heard in karaoke, it was so. here is the same bridge or tolya. well, for me then it was just two men who are adults, i am an 18-year-old girl. uh, i was walking along the arbat where there is karaoke

there, some kind of regular microphone was advertised with these buttons. well, in general, in short, this is some kind of thing, yes, which now seems to be just some kind of dinosaurs, just so lisping. in general, it doesn't matter. i managed to titanic and my soul unfolded. well, in general, they seem to like us, but they came up and said, girl you sing great. and here we are doing music and seriously, that is, we do not just listen to it there, but we create it, as if we are working on let's do something together . i think so i don't know. well, in short, here, of course, i was still such a teenager, you know, now teenagers. well, then it was still in general, they did not leave. well, which i just, well, i put in my pocket. i didn't react. you could say it's been a few months. before i called because i just found her and remembered then. i arrived at the studio already, as if after the call. yes indeed they gave you the address of the studio. i arrived, they say, well, come on, sing something to us. well i'm back with leon there peace cary well

what the hell is going on there? yes, i think it's all great. but where are you in this? i hear like here is a chip in the voice and it is recognizable, but there must be something like that. let's write a song, try it, and you'll try it, sing it. we 'll see what happens, because otherwise it's useless to start the project. you can sing covers as cool as you like, like, well, version yes, famous songs, but where in this you do n’t understand, an artist with something of his own , and so appeared on the edge of the rain, they wrote, for now. i'm the rain i was invited to the studio, and we recorded it. it was my first job at a studio so real i was completely delighted. and to this day. this is my favorite part of my profession. what i love most is teaching my students. and work in the studio on the song. it's just yes, i love it. by the way, i have a similar story, we sit on the clouds. i, too, when i came to max fadeev directly to the studio and had already written song sitting on the clouds. he was just looking for a vocalist. and when he sang to me, all the ideas are on the clouds, and he says, repeat this uh, that is, and i sang the way he showed me and

says everything and says, the soloist is a manakine. here, yes. that's it for this phrase. well, this is the first one, i think. yes, this is my first song. your first video, and now we are their excuse, he is celine. i know you nafig, antonar was. i don't remember the words, great. wow, i don’t remember now, honestly for many years it was beautifully beautifully sad. it sounded everywhere. no, i couldn't stand her because it's on the radio. i then worked for hit fm and there were programs on demand and you always pick up the phone. there is already someone there and every second song was mine from the wagon and everyone said, put the titanic tired. well, it 's beautiful if it's both a song and a movie, but even

the most delicious 18 once an hour is too much. look , well, it's. it's work. our sasha people well? we now have instead. i already had it. remember what a great song we have maturity now. come on, it's the weather now, really. so i listened to you, girls, what is pauline what is mono? i realized that now there is nothing to cling to. okay, now already. well, what do you do? wait, yes, this is normal. in 2003 2003, and like this, yes, but it was clearer than now. and 2003

went album album album. now i'm listening now, well, firstly, they accepted everyone as legends, but now they adore and remember the news. in 2003 there was a factory. julia savicheva who you sang the wind, but the two of you still know that, compared to you, you are so, and so experienced on stage. and yulechka such a very small child was red, yes, yes, she felt herself, not very confident, but vocally she is amazing, please, and we saw it this year. olimpiysky then yes, no,

olympiysky shouted, yes, about the bride, of course, yes, it was in fact, natasha is glucose and can you imagine sasha, i needed to hurt and when i saw, when natasha came out, that there was a bunch of bride there first, they did. they are generally entertainers on the first, right this performance. yes, there was, in my opinion, temnikova uh, someone else was gagarina yes, they everything came out in the bride's costumes and the audience showed such a show it didn’t seem like no, what are these emotions? what is who, who is who, do you understand? it is certainly a waiting face. yes, she looks like she doesn’t wear glasses at

all. me first thought. well, no, not her, why? and i immediately looked and thought. this is the same girl who starred in yeralash as a child. yes, she, in her childhood, e borya grachevsky found behind-the-scenes things about this . natasha and i were very close friends at that moment. that's when they started yes, yes, and she was very worried before this performance. and when max announced to her that you would be in the olympic max, i didn’t get tanned. i say, i don’t know what to wear. and i say, i looked at her, and i dived like that, she says, she says, i didn’t get tanned. stunned people serve the legend that glucose had nothing to perform in, so the cartoons made it, but she was just preparing specifically for this performance. if something there was not some kind of defect. everything for her.

it was she very much approached responsibly. here. fact also appreciated it, and she, of course, dried up the myth with such national dignity for the first time in her life as a young girl. yes, she came out with full dignity. it is so we complete the olympic in front of her. yes, only 17 years old was very scary. i think maybe that's why anatolyevich has just expressed a hypothesis that has the right to exist. maybe that's why, well, initially she always sang in glucose. natasha ionova but the fact is that she was always embarrassed to go out. max says something, so you go to perform. she says. oh no, max i today i pulled my leg next oh no, maxi, i'm not tanned. oh no, maximum not fat, there is something else and max is like that. yes, damn it, shoot a cartoon. okay, here, and that's why she's a legend that she couldn't get out all the time, you know? and then max says, everything will go. i'm not tanned, you'll go silent. these are prodyushki projects. you come up with some new ones. it

was just a riddle nobody was afraid of anything excitement. he came up with it, and then he already arranged a casting to find this girl. yes, i did not say when grills appeared, when appeared, i'll tell you. now you understand hiding behind technology is not on purpose. and so, yes , at about the same time, and, in my opinion, at first glucose appeared, then smoke was burning for defense, he looked at how cool the group needed to be done, he came, looked, looked and thinks op, i need to come home to do the same there then manga you appeared as a specialist in these blockbusters, because there are clips like me in the same kroshilovy chopped. mochilovo and crushed there. there was such a bladder on channel one

, which was called the last hero. there were also two teams of stars. brand new and experienced manufacturers, and you were in the team of stars, or i used to have a choice. i arrived a little later and i had the choice to go to this team, or to this one and i went to the rookie team, because, apparently, they needed help. i think, perhaps, an extra person will come in handy. actually, it turned out that i was very useful to them, than specifically. well, first of all, uh, well, i was one of the strong players it turned out, both in competitions and in life brother. my strength is stamina, yeah eh solid build, seriously. i lost a

lot of weight, but still. yes, my strength was useful to the guys at the competitions. so we started to win, what needed to be done during this holiday. we were tested, that is, it was there in the wild on the island that it was physically difficult to physically survive, that is, without food. i had to go through a lot of tests, i went there, probably, like to a resort like that, well, on the beach, because tin, of course, clearly, but due to my experience, when they asked me what you want to take to the island. i will now laugh and not a fire starter not a lighter, right? tweezers oh, that's because no. because i was worried that there would be hair somewhere, you know, yes, like that. and

when i arrived some kind of tafi tweezers, that is, we survived there to the fullest, that is, ah, so that the fire does not go out, you need to constantly maintain it at night during the day, that is, and i did not sleep at night and watched behind this fire. how interesting to revisit. at least he did not say in the book the fight for the fire, someone could not stand it, someone left earlier. someone hmm surrendered surrendered and said that there really just people with some it was and it was. yes, but the girls were stronger. for some reason, they fit in that way. you have adapted even to the dentist. we yell. louder. it's not me, you yell. yes, give me a dental foal . he doesn't yell, but he's a boy. well, by the way,

zhanna friske made friends at this game, before that, i'm done. yes, yes united by tribes. yes, zhanka and i became very good friends, and she turned out to be a very good person. that's how you told about yulia volkova that's the same real star. they are without a star, what called real stars, they don't show off. they are very open as much as possible, as simple as possible, as kind as possible, and this was the genre. i totally agree. and in general, they were together all the time, and even she later noticed that they removed me by agreement. ah intrigues, reveal. i don’t know myself, that is, there were several male voices against me, they were talking. yes, gossip guys. yes, apparently, i was, yes, a strong player and zhanna noticed that they

removed me for a reason hmm that is, she is a fair person, always a fair one talkers. you no longer communicate data who it was. we should know, of course, yes. well, it's all a game, it's all clear that the game is all 3 million rubles. for a minute. you know, someone was stronger. in intrigues i am very much, i almost reached the end of the game. here i got a huge buzz. and i am grateful to max and grateful to god that i got into this game at all, and to this island and that i got such an experience. and where this geographically took place is the panama islands. we didn’t go very far very far, there

is not the emperor of panama. well, almost, but i don't know the film crew probably guarded us about everyone, because we were looking for mango all the time and could not find it on this island. we didn't have any food at all. i don't know, we had only limes to give you something. the girls didn't give us anything . no, i can’t, here on the island only limes grew instead of apples, they ate them. you will not believe, that is, we have nothing, it was quite impossible. more than 40 days, and i stayed there. i left. i weighed 43 kg. oh, i see everything, why is there no such project now? i need lose 10 kg. here is your diet. first channel. let's resurrect. tu-tu-tu-tu lose weight, then lime lime lime, lime lime and nothing else for a long time. yeah

, when we pick it up, we'll see. i'd fit in, probably, i'd probably whine , uh, i'd probably be the weakest link but still, i'd probably write really hard in the sense that you need to anyway to participate in the competition. wait to build something. just wait and sleep and nothing to hang. yes, damn it, you can do it yourself, it turns out, this is the most so that it does not break. there is nothing, everything, and the fire was for some reason in order to warm up or the shells cooked them, and they burned it, that was it. that's what it 's called on wolves on a wok. yes, useful, here we were warming ourselves about the fire, a real survival show. let's remember that it was still

2003. i don't remember. in what year did these britney spears appear christina guiliera, who always went there by that time released powerful hits, were generally divided there into those who like britney spears and her father ahead of britney in those years already. yes, i like both, but me aguilera was somewhere in general on the throne. britney was somewhere. well, cool, but where she was not at all on the throne of all topics, which christina loved loved here, well, in general, she danced, in short, she danced, yes, yes. yes, yes, but i'm talking about vocals, you know, i'm all, as if i love with my ears about love. listen , the fact is that they both introduced the tan trend in 2003, in my opinion, it became fashionable for the gagal. there was also one friend. i 'll add 50 cent right now. well, there's justin timberlake. a and basically, they've come. with the disney club, that's all. it's all brought

up grown up and won the value. seryozha lazarev and by the way, they shot about fidgets in the same year. well, yes, powerful with the song belle in french the clip is gorgeous there are japanese women. there, we also shift the katana. no , they were there, they were driving cameras with robots with these things, a very technologically advanced clip was simply chic. unfortunately. here they are one song and all. no, it was not. oh god, yes , i didn’t have the strength to do it, in short, they had more songs that were known to be good. well , of course, lazarev sang. not with topal. yes, yes, that is, well, of course, belle is the most. the main thing, yes, your emotions. now they are retelling how it was, then i am with them in general. that's when you probably took to behave like this. and now they are talking about the new wave with

some song. i was there for three competitive days, there were three songs. e, means a hit of the country of its e hit of the world and the song itself. well, in the author's. well, in a sense that no one had ever heard, and i sang. i fall into the sky a very high note song and i had problems with my voice there. there was very high humidity in the evening rose. in general, it’s hard for me to remember it all, i just managed it hard. e, i was very worried and a new wave is coming. well, in general, in short, yes, there i met seryozha and vlad, who just the smash group did not know about them, and now they win and become superstars. damn cool. i can hear you now. there is no problem with your voice. we want to hear you sing, yes with pleasure. love

first everything is in trouble dark report father on i can’t wait don’t cry like that, reach out you’ll meet so you won’t hide, you’ll believe it, how you toil, you wait for the sky. i will not pay, you will not

wait. you pay the land, you won’t wait somewhere, you cry, you’ll meet you, you won’t hide, you’ll believe it, you won’t wait for the sky. you reach out to meet so you can’t hide. if you take it, you will be deceived by me, you will wait, you will not wait, you will not wait.

turquoise royal adore this is from those times. this is with india yes, they put me on turquoise there. this is a big one without turquoise at all, i don’t remember. that's never and it somehow suits you. well stuck, because you want, but it turned out my stone wanted completely to me, mine is emerald, you know, but turquoise has become some kind of talisman and the color is absolutely amazing, so

i like it very much. oh, i’ll introduce you, and my guest is katya rozhdestvenskaya, the daughter of the brilliant soviet poet robert rozhdestvensky well, who doesn’t know, suddenly you speak beautifully somehow, brilliant here i think that it’s absolutely brilliant yes, absolutely brilliant, and i still know, uh, everything , time i think about what, and you should generally become a sister with ksyusha, the subject of study by psychologists of the whole world is something that psychologists do not have, because now what is the main theme of parental volumes, and families without dad. mom 's dislike, this enmity, hatred , and so on. i always looked at you, but i knew each other. eh, with mom, the kingdom of heavenly fat. that's how it is when not just a complete family of mom and dad for me. this is binom newton , i can’t even imagine. how is it when mom and dad parents love children. children

absolutely adore their parents and not that they bow, but just love, yes spasms and at the same time, parents who love each other to the point of madness from the first day dating and to the grave. is that how it is, how to live in such an atmosphere? kat i can't imagine. well, probably, this is some kind of anomaly, i have lived for so long and have not seen and never met. here anomaly is true, it seems to me, yes, it seems i have not seen, especially here are such relationships as mom and dad, tell me, have you always understood, you have always been aware. that you are a happy girl, or because she did not know another life. and yes, with uh, not only that, star guests house a full bowl, but beautiful things. dad brings. e out some business trips for you with your beautiful sister. mom loves grandma. and here it

always smells delicious at home and there is no need to stand in lines there for bananas. here it is, how is it possible to live like this? well, how could you, but i hated everyone. i generally hated people when i was little, because they took away time from communicating with my parents. i adored my parents so much that, uh, every visit of some non-voznesensky stew hmm kobzon magomayev turned me into a wild animal and licked me under the table i was remembered by many under the table. here is a teenager there 10-11 years old. and they didn't bully you at school. no, well, you see, how cool, how happy you look to marina, just change marina, e teachers for what i wore there e stocking boots, do you remember there were some things i had there they were forbidden to wear them. and

so uh, well, for some reason they forced me to have an a in literature. well, of course, you remember, uh, and all the wishes of all the elements addressed to you from dad. and in general, everything, because you do it, because your legacy is you treat with such trepidation. so carefully and popularize, and i know what kind of birthday parties you arrange for dad. well, in general cool but congratulations on the twentieth anniversary, if you will, of course. we will not frown today, our katyukha is over 20 years old. my daughter and i are suffering and want to continue to suffer, i will show you how it looked, in kind. i took this sheet. i think that such things that are handmade are much more important. that's what it was, you know, it was deep. i can't imagine not crying. here i am not i know i've never had anything like this in my life. you know, i have all the tears inside, they go all inside. i don't let them out, otherwise i would have been all the time, when,

well, i read letters of correspondence, here are scarlet roberts , i want to cry all the time. well, there is, from what we really have, i just, probably, some kind of vaccination has already formed and because i relaxed in this. it's not surprising to me. so it was supposed to be somewhere, you know, on the day of the 20th anniversary of the birthday of 12 12 years. i know that when alla became pregnant, she came to her room with question. uh, requests for advice to give birth to yourself to take to your sister or not to give birth and you said, leave it. i said a very adult phrase. let's leave it, but at the same time i also asked to think a little, probably for the sake of appearance, but i really wanted to, in my opinion, it was very adult. yes, where do children come from? and what is pregnancy anyway? how pregnancy should and i was very well versed in the sexual issue, because, and dad's mother was a doctor and i grazed with her in

the medical library, i knew everything, thoroughly fascinated me. these ones here are the atlases, and then, probably, the guests came, and, well, such a creative elite, uh, which they don’t choose very much and not very selectively, so to speak, yes. communicating with each other is not filtered, as they say today about the text and , of course, you warmed your ears under the table and everywhere you understood everything, who was with whom? who why who why who is cheating on whom no lar is not even bones, but another grandmother on her mother's side, who is a lilit. she was with me in front of the dancer, so that's all. here are all these abortions, all these novels. well, everything, it was always said at the table with their friends who have come to us for 100 years or not, they are not there. no, i thought that this education was absolutely right, i recognized this not by a fence of girls and boys,

who also heard it somewhere, but firsthand and the lead could give advice. and in general, it was just such a chic university. god bless every child. ah, it was like that. here in the sixties, it was such a time of freedom, uh, which, like now, we , too, well, in the nineties, zero did not know what to do with this freedom in sausages or on tv and theater and everywhere didn't know what to do with it. that's when this ottisha years were all produced with their wives and husbands, they all had five romanovs and where to draw inspiration from something? yes, if they are in someone else's bed, e not with a new love and so on. tell me how your parents are, but mom served dad, of course, but dad, where did he draw inspiration from. how is it possible from one wife never once and without changing, and without looking in the other direction, what he ate, if a musician, i don’t

know, uh, there uh, a composer, so the actor doesn’t will torment his uh, soul that's this dual life, so that no one knows they love it there. where to draw? where to get drinks from? yes, dad, at the expense of what is yours, at the expense of alla alone, she enveloped him so much and gave him so much that he did not need anything. and it happens a lot. but i just think he was monogamous. here is a very rare copy. e in human life. he had his first wife, with whom he lived for a couple of months. it was the grandmother who introduced some of her front-line friends to her daughter, but he realized that this was absolutely not what he was looking for. e did not enter the casting institute, where he entered somewhere . yes, because it seemed to be, as if not very talented, so i went to petrozavodsk, where i studied for one year at the historical one and returned and just got to the very time and to the very place where in a smoking room

somewhere on the stairs kireeva smoked in your cigarette. well, everything, all the destinies have grown together like childhood, it seems that they experienced the same ones. and the same emotions suffered because of the divorce of their parents. i even have. so tell me, how is it? well, everything, very, very much. yes it was, it seems that alyonushka really called her from the first second they met at all. here she was sister alyonushka and brother. ivanushka at first there were different names, but always diminutive. dear, dear alyonushka, for the first time in 40 years i am sending you a letter from the second floor of our dacha to the first floor, which means that such a time has come. for a long time i thought to give a little to this, i still do not believe our common anniversary, and then i saw a three-volume book standing on a shelf. and even laughed with joy and gratitude to you

all morning making bookmarks to those verses, who already in the fifty-first year, one way or another, have relationships with them, there are so many of them that it’s even scary joyfully, so i made another common big bookmark. at the end of the third volume, you are the author of almost everything that i have written. and here, the newest is the newest 40 long years and instantly years. you are my destiny, my eternal light is in your soul an eternity of height in the world and i exist. you , so without you knowing, for sure, i would not have lived these forty. i kiss your be, but it's impossible. this is impossible. this is impossible. it's just that in a relationship it's an ellipsis an exclamation mark - that's all that a asking mark is - that's anything. he was already more and quite rarely went

down. and here it is on the day of the circus of their wedding. he wrote. here is this letter, which is incredible, which even if my mother received, in a year it would be. just as amazing as 40 years after their life together. it's such a holiday. this is such a firework of relationships of feelings, that's why i say that they are amazing in this respect, a story in which to believe incredible. well, i mean, i know it's not a writer. and why are you so straight, like a sleeper, what is there and you say that you are not very good either. you love all these underwater ones. and alla went to him at the cemetery, smoked and talked to him. all the time and now some time passes and she finds a telegram, but in some miraculous way, sent by robert to his wife and lost in the papers. and here is the text. you remember, i liked it

safely. everything is fine. don't worry. i love to be you. but really everyone found day in any weather came to this old cemetery in peredelkino, smoked cigarettes and went back. i think she's crazy. hmm crazy because it was so stubborn. this was a necessary movement for her, both physically and mentally, and my sister and i were very worried that something like that was happening there, then in one day everything seemed to be taken away by hand. she told you everything, and on the one hand, i am an unusually happy woman, because i lived in love, and on the other hand, i am unhappy, because robert is gone, and i cannot be with anyone. i'm on the wrong side i can't look. no, she was not looking in that direction to look, but she is still. why didn't she have to search? that's what happened with the father those relationships and those feelings there was no life without

him yes, absolutely nothing. and now, when robert is not on earth, i anchor myself for the fact that we spoke so little, but after all, we understood each other and it was wonderful to be silent with him without words. i do not want to say that we were saints, small temptations happened in life. we were still alive. i was blind, i did not see that robert needed me and all the problems and complexes with you, and only me, but it seemed to me that around every corner the rival robert was not only any one, but also a very faithful knight every day. i heard. alka i love you. and it's hmm , i can't say that it surprised me. it was a daily routine. i remember myself as a little girl, when i looked up at these two giants at my parents, who are embracing, or, uh, my father couldn’t get past my mother at all, they touched her, they didn’t kiss, they didn’t whisper something in her ear. and then i

i was surprised i didn't hear it. they were very high under the ceiling that he whispered and then, when they lifted me up in their arms, and the three of us stood embracing like that, and i heard that he says those words that need to be said, only she is absolutely ordinary, but so necessary for everyone alyonushka, my dear, beloved, probably said to the woman there. and of course, his eyes were wet, his skin was crawling, and robert was jealous of the fact that she was a beauty, but a little overweight , disposed to be overweight, and you know, she competed with these thick girls who fidgety were not fashionable at that time, therefore, thin and light to uh did not torment. no, she 's inside. she suffered herself, probably, but it

was not so obvious; it was all the time with some kind of joke under the text from the custom. at the same time, robert, on the contrary, was embarrassed by his popularity. and well, now there is a hood and thank god there used to be cap collars. that is, it was closed. no, he definitely knew. he was tall, sure, he walked all the time. here, slouching due to the fact that here he stood out among that forehead, but when they flew in from somewhere from the border. i always and that's it. limit recognized him by his height. and that was a big plus. katya, tell me how you were as a child in general. your dad is not going, because , well, all the parents of odnoklassniki get up in the morning and go to work there. and your dad closed himself in the room and sat until once at the stadium. here, tell this story. really, do you understand? sometimes you want to remember something in life and nothing happens. and there are some things that fall somewhere in some kind of close drawer and you crawl out and open it and all the time it is in front of you

. really. i think he then he doesn’t go, because according to the stories of schoolchildren, their parents left and worked and came in the evening and from. well, somehow it was all solid, and mine got up. grandmother made him an omelet or porridge and went to her office, locked it with a lock, and a typewriter began to knock there. ah, and it really seemed to me that i was unlucky, because it’s not a poison, and then there was a fight against parasites, and it was somehow doubly ashamed and it was very unpleasant to talk about it at school. but he was already extremely popular then. this it was a surprise and they sounded on the radio and no, no, then the songs didn’t sound no history at the stadium. and i was already more understanding. i was probably 9 or 10 years old - this is the end of the 60s, when the poets

occupied the stadiums, when people came to listen to them at the stadiums. it was, of course, an amazing thing, mass hysteria, you can imagine the degree of spirituality, e people. yes, they were going to, well, in the center they read their elements on this one, uh, i don’t know, and the crowds are thicker. here they specially copied by hand, because it was impossible to get it. yes, tomixes girls made notebooks with verses, in which verses were written. i'm not even talking about, uh, polytechnic luzhniki and luzhniki are 14,000 people, and all 14,000 people. and so you gathered we gathered. yes, the first time my mother put me in the stands, and not on the ground. here is this nizhny a there to the stands, but, because that's how we always sat backstage between there, well, how dad will speak. we

could immediately leave the service entrance. uh, it was possible to immediately leave by car all these convenient things. and now i don't know, i don't remember dad reads the elements, forgets the line, but reads . uh, and there are no big screens and it is not clear what is happening, and he suddenly stumbles, and i was so embarrassed for the first second, but then even through me. i found this hint buzz and all 14,000 people suggested this line. i began to turn around and looked, no one had a book, they knew everything by heart. for me, it was such a shock, some kind of happiness, and i realized that it was not accidental. actually, he sits there locked himself up. that's how it often happens but it happens until the passion passes the parents. um, well, listen, many couples come together out of passion and out of love, have children in love. and they are so absorbed with each other, that they have no time for

children and children who grow up later. yes, i turn into adults, too, complexes that no one bears, through my whole life there is no lack of parental love, that is, adults each other. yes, but not for children. and how in general, where did dad scoop? where is it from? and then we will return to his childhood and to wartime . where did he have such a powerful reserve enough love? allah had enough for you ksyusha she was your grandmothers whom he also adored for guests for friends. where from where from where i don't know where from, but i can't say that 's the type of person, probably there is no such type of person. no, i didn't meet. such a person, probably surprisingly unique and gifted to the gods, is now absolutely, understandable and they say that great things are seen at a distance, but here the distance was not needed, neither

time nor distance. tell robert's parents divorced when they did not divorce boys, in fact, the father and mother went to the front, and the father died right at the end of the war. and when my father turned, he wandered all the time around the orphanages, well , everyone, because the grandmother also died, who raised him. yes, yes, my grandmother, and my mother was a military doctor at the front. and therefore actually. he was under the supervision of the state and at the age of 14 he received a letter from his mother that he was a robot. now you are not robert stanislavovich what was his father's name robert ivanovich is acting and he has no one. as a matter of fact, it was with this go cry, because the age is so

nasty hormonal, when they don’t know what to do with themselves, it’s not clear what to think about. and here, yesterday, you are one person. today it is a different person with the guys. especially you won’t communicate, because they don’t have parents at all, so the fact that he became e christmas. nobody was interested in this, the boy who was brought up by the state. yes, he is wounded, yes, and he has such an inner telecancer. i will find the letter where he writes to his mother. how can he address his father to a new husband, where there is no resentment. but no no. well do not know anger complaints questions. yes , just questions, as in general, of course. this innate cannot be acquired by a boy in whom there is so much love. i'm about robert a little, i'm not even under it yet. a sprout has so much tenderness, so much respect for almost no reverence at all for a woman. but how does he

write to the front? hello dear, mommy got it. i have letters for which many thanks. i sent you a letter yesterday, today i'm sending you more mommy, to tell you the truth, i was struck by this thing. at first i burst into tears myself i don’t know why the guys who were next to me they thought that someone was killed for them, this still remains a mystery. well, mom, i'm not a lawyer, but i've been walking around all day today, like crazy anyway. i haven't had time to think things through yet. let my mother, if it doesn't make it difficult, my new father. let them send at least a photograph, otherwise i don’t know his face in her face, i don’t even know what to write to you for the parcel and money to you, mommy and big to him. thank you mommy kisses you tightly and i wish you all the best. your son rob answer me a question. how to call him in a letter? i that's why i didn't write it. she says turn, kiss, and it's just impossible, poor boy. here, you understand, just through it. throwing was tormented, how much of

this tenderness of trembling is in it and not a single complaint to my mother, but only with reading mommy i did not turn, because he understood that there could very well be a distance, because she could read. uh-huh no, well, there was such a core inside, it’s so out of this world, it’s absolutely absolutely so out of date. now it sounds. no. yes, but he already living a beautiful new life. no, she worked hard. they traveled, they were there and in austria, when they settled down in karelia, he went there, probably, when he had already sat down, in general, that is, he is still a wounded animal, he doesn’t care, of course, so those, probably experiences, those dreams here these dreams. i want with my mother with my mother. this is what he probably carried through his whole life. and there were no such proposals, of course. because

he's already special. it's today's kids it's work, so you've never seen the time no, years have passed, years have passed, this whole war has passed, and after the war they, in my opinion, met in some seventh 40, or something? mom didn't pick it up right away. no, tell me, but he took her away when she got old, and he widowed her a second time . they had a house in dnepropetrovsk and transportation. so, then i bought an apartment in moscow and your mother never said both. well, something like that, they're not very u how many letters are left. here they are not very you were cherished, the younger brothers were born, and everything was attention to him. and you, in general, were on your own and now you are so much for me. i

remember how they suffered, grandmother and mother, how they suffered, because there grandmother did not want to be very against it. uh, sala’s wedding was very against it, and she saw me when i was only two years old and my dad wrote letters to her very tearful plaintive tearing souls that such a girl was funny. so you know, she has already become there, she has already gone there, she is already healing something. well, are you coming? why do you busy life did not immediately take the kid? yes , when you returned to fruit you were your own, so to speak, lovingly. family affairs were inexpensive and the child was born. by the way, this is the story that robert did not immediately find. uh, he didn’t know his father’s grave, where he buried it, but he didn’t know them, but it turned out that the grave was actually there oh-oh-oh, yes, 10 km away. well, i just found it was a very strange, uh,

story. i flew first. lives in altai where he was born in the village of kosikha, and relatives came there. e pitkevich. and here is someone of them said that knowing that i uh, and that dad was looking for his father's grave. and what? i was also looking for them. they wrote letters everywhere, but no one could say anything, they said that it was bombed somewhere in riga, and the train, educational echelon, and there was the preservation of brotherly magic, and i decided to go, we were resting at that time in jurmala and near riga. but it turned out that this is in general, this is the place where this grave supposedly was. and it’s not yet a fact, was petkevich there or not? i went there and, well, such a settlement is quite large, i think, how i generally drink here, i will look for an attitude towards

us that is not very friendly, some kind of aunt is coming. i asked right at the entrance to this village. and where is the fraternal magic here. she says, well, here are three steps here to go behind the house. and you look, i went there and there are many, many stones, on which there are probably 30 small letters of stones. it's in beautiful trees like that. and i think, well, now i'll look for it all, i don't know how long it will take. i first bushes, opened the written drinks first you know it from me right now, frost has not yet had time for me. incidentally, the most disappointing, because it was five minutes from jurmala where we have been for 15 years. they rested there, in the summer of 15 years, that everything is yes, yes, but when robert escorted her father to the front, she whispered to him. eh, don't come back bison. yes, yes, he didn't come back. on the contrary, everything

happened. god, what an incredible fate . what didn't mom like? why not? there was a jewish question, which very , uh, excited my communist grandmother at one time, and she believed that this was an unprofitable alliance that romochka deserved? well something more than this, uh, wonderful, therefore, my grandmother tormented the snail all the time and made some gifts. i bought something for her all the time, and this humiliation has been there for many years. and so, i had this feeling, like, well, not needed, not in demand, but then she was probably wildly proud of what she had, of course, she collected clippings. she kept filing letters. she went through the system, got married, of course not, but it was then clear everything and

sit down on well, this is a five-year period. uh, here's the marriage before she accepted and that's not up to the end, i would have a bite to do, i'm after you ala. never said anything. she was very smart and understood that she lives with a genius with a genius, in the first place, and he has a mother. she understood that she was living with a genius. i think yes, of course, and she was a help to them because. she was also a professional literary critic. and then everything worked out. and when he came out to read poetry to us, you know, in a cloud of smoke, because he smoked a lot too. yes, they mixed up, who is who more, in my opinion, such the feeling was. that's what the girls said. come and read some poetry. we all sat down , he read, my mother's eyebrows flew up, because this was such a speaker that was her sign, she immediately frowned. and when we already

listened to ours, they went to the office, and there she already, in front of everyone, never made any comments. they have already started working there. that is, sometimes she didn’t have to say anything, sometimes she didn’t like some word, so it was always out of our ears, tell me, all these young poetesses came to star guests nimble pretty. mom taught everyone the same or she arranged it. no, roberta did not say that this akhmadulina was no longer in the house. i don't know, it didn't bother me much. they yelled all the time, screamed, drank, smoked, stomped - this is the case when i went out at night. all the shit went down on this experience, because i had to sleep, of course, but here it’s all a party. it's uh, they listened to me, you're not there, shit. i mean, i still haven't. well, until recently, i was reminded of this shit here. uh not shitty

multiple numbers. so i have not heard that there is someone from the composition of the guests expelled, except for e. the one who knocked, it was very common in the sixties and the rumor about it was that one of the guests was knocking. it spread very quickly and immediately this person was removed from the squad. it was, at first, it was dangerous. secondly, it was to pass, but the pope and the authorities loved and recognized and revered very much, and the people loved and recognized and revered this very much. well, a huge rarity, because very few people know that he was in disgrace. and that he was in exile for 3 years. after all, almost no one knows about this, but tell me, but after these boys, after khrushchev, they stopped publishing his stories

in general, uh, they forbade him, and publishing his poems, uh, he went to kyrgyzstan where he lived for 3 years. and there it became active, uh, to translate soviet poets. it was already with my mother. it was with mom. it was the 60 second sixty- fourth year. and if you open any, uh, reference book, it's written on the internet by robert christmas first word translator. i at first i was indignant, then i decided that yes, probably, he had spent so many years and so much time translating all these people, then he returned, then they accepted him again, but 3 years were thrown out of life. he wrote poetry, of course. mostly. he earned, they gave him a fixed-term loan, and he translated the poems of all these comrades. so not favored by the authorities. that's for sure. kat e.

well, you, our viewer, did not think that this is such love, in general it is popularization, and robert is for today's generation. yes something you arrange all these birthday parties , you read, you burn cds, and and so on, and your sister does not participate, uh, she doesn’t want to be public much, but i have a letter, though it’s already. uh, well, to the father who left. we haven't seen each other for 8 years, your old letters are turning yellow, and your sweaters that i wear no longer smell of you. your voice remained only on the tape screaming and whispering from the last century. your poetic ladder. in today's poetry, it rises as a proud almost destroyed monument of architecture, on which no one walks at best listen to the guide look at the scale take into account the complex ambiguous time. this ladder leads to heaven. we haven't

seen each other for 8 years, leaving you said. happy to you, my girls. i don't know how to be happy without you. today your poems are no longer perceived. like their time, most likely, time seems only from the sound, poems to their headlines or the last line, but i collected this book not to convey the spirit of the times and not to remember you again. i remember you always and not in order to tell someone that he lived such a poet wrote poetry, he was young, and then he stopped being young, and then he died, but the poems remained. i just hope you like it. or at least one more thing will be interesting, because i never talked about you in bed. well, you know that, really. i love you. yes, you can imagine hands. you are so happy. no, that's how you are, it seems to me filled overflowing with this love, when i understand, uh, why do

you have such a temper? why are you so loving? why are you so empathetic today? such a definition is very fashionable, for some reason you perceive it that way. why are you giving so much? why are you always around, but these huge companies that you feed and eat just like your parents collect all these christmas meetings. uh, because you have something to share. well, probably, you know, i lived in such love that i need to give. i owe them as much as i wrote, dad. why do you give more, the more i owe them, i really owe them and i'm happy because i managed to declaration of love. i love you very much katya because i will remember all this good that you did to me and your soul, right? because i want to sit in the kitchen with you, cry and talk. i remember how we fat. i was already pregnant, they smoked, and they bought it at the elevator. yes,

yes, you said to me, we were pregnant at the same time and my parents did not smoke, i was bad. so, we will definitely see you again. thanks for the memory.