eh, history cannot be rewritten, but in my opinion, even vladimir vladimirovich putin has already said that it cost, maybe it was worth starting earlier. let's hear what putin said about this. ignoring our interests and the interests of the people who live in these territories is what it is. ah, russophobia. they just turned everything upside down now , they don’t say that they didn’t fulfill their obligations, just like the guarantors of the agreement between the authorities and the opposition in ukraine in 2014, they don’t say that they trampled on these agreements, they don’t say that the ukrainian authorities, who came to this power with the help of a coup d’état, started hostilities , they don’t say anything about the killing of civilians in the donbass, but they only started this whole story from the moment a special military operation was carried out. it arose only because we were left no more chances to resolve

this situation peacefully, and it was simply absolutely impossible to continue this state in which everything was. here is for me the central statement is that the president of russia said that russia was left no chance, except to go on a special operation, not for me to tell you that the prevailing point of view in the west, that russia had long planned a special operation , some kind of military action in ukraine, that these plans of russia were not provoked . do you know? this key statement is unprovoked aggression. and that, in general, what washington did, what the collective west did, has nothing to do with the decision that russia made in february to launch a special operation. what do you think about this kind of land is easy to answer, but your

questions, because from the ninety-sixth ninety-seventh years. i have said and written that nato expansion is indirect aggression. and that it is inevitable if it is not stopped, but leads to, uh, a direct military clash to war. i wrote this about this already in the ninety-seventh year and continued to speak in recent years. i talked about it all the time. uh, it was clearly politics. at first she was a little inertial. e, covered herself and inside e herself e somehow, and some of her words are just they didn’t even understand it, but some understood it quite well. it was about first fixing oppressed russia a in recent years in this way. uh, uh, this policy has gone over into just crushing russia , uh, undermining the operation. uh, the sanctions

information was ready when the united states of america, uh, finally realizing that their main rivals, uh, china, uh, saw that china is invulnerable as long as loans are behind russia, and therefore, uh, it was a few years ago, apparently i haven’t i travel to the us and not much. i speak with my american colleagues, but i know their logic very well. many of them and the older generation still do. yes, i remember her , a decision was made that it was necessary to knock out russia , and another thing is that i think that we needed to act earlier, but, because, uh, we lasted two or three years, in general it was better to act immediately in the fourteenth year fast. but then the operation would not have been fully prepared, maybe they are politically correct. and the fact that in 1920 it was necessary 10 is for sure, maybe it will interfere, everything was already completely obvious. that's when you

speak obviously. you mean it should have been obvious in moscow where it was all going or what? everything was obvious to the collective west, and that, then there were already plans to declare this actual war on russia, and it had been preparing for a long time , it was absolutely visible, but from 12 years old from 11-12. well, i've been watching it quite closely . this we are obvious of my e profession. e that the psychological information war began there. uh, since the twelfth year. if i remember, i almost um didn't see any positive articles about russia specially conducted by my colleagues, junior content analysis. well, you can see the organs. it was absolutely all obvious 11 12 year. well, somewhere in the twelfth there was nothing to fix, even neutral ones installed less and less, therefore, but everything was another matter, what was there, when and how to start was not obvious.

apparently yes for western players, but the fact that they were preparing for a clash and they either wanted to, but it was not completely obvious to undermine russia's position. but how are you? then explain that when the special operation began, uh, the administration biden advised zelensky to flee from kiev , they helped him with the evacuation, that is , they did not seem to expect. uh, that kiev will be able to organize active resistance, but i don’t, you probably should answer your question from uh, because i have been traveling to the usa for many years and announced unilateral sanctions, the united states of america, uh, and , of course lost. uh, the feeling of being thought, as well as our american counterparts. maybe it was, but another mistake, uh, reconnaissance, maybe,

uh, the americans specifically lured us statements that for 3 days. yes, we will reach , uh, the kiev region, uh, and. maybe all these conversations were attempts to draw russia in as quickly as possible and force it to act, perhaps not being prepared enough. you say that you have not been to america for a long time, but you also said that you are following closely what is happening in the united states. i met you in washington back in the late 1980s. i know what you have who they had extensive contacts with a wide variety of people on a two-party basis, then there is some feeling of america. you have you won't deny it? and i have a feeling. eh i'm really 20 years old. uh

was almost that inside the american elite. e, i knew almost most of the e players in the outer sphere, a, and i had a feeling that you could explain one thing to me. i believe that i know well, in general, who he is. i was the last time you are your who is not in november and i regularly talk to my colleagues in washington on the phone and even sometimes talk to the administration staff, but there is one a thing that i rationally cannot even explain to myself on the one hand. they say, here in this passionate sinister russian aggression, unprovoked by anything . and how does putin threaten not only ukraine but also the baltic state poland and the entire free world in general and at the same time e constantly who are they

constantly expanding in other western capitals, if you want the range of permissible go further and further , steps for more and more serious consequences and simultaneously. they say we are not parties to the conflict. we do not want escalation. what are they counting on? and firstly, but i did not complete, but my previous tirade. and in recent years, of course, i have been communicating with a large circle of american colleagues even before the fireplace. and from understand what they mean when they write. i started to lose my understanding. and what is happening there, what is happening in america for the simple reason that i showed that people have lost their bearings, despair both from loss and from understanding that they are losing historical e, and wanting this to recognize themselves as them to themselves and wanting the corresponding and

corresponding a, a fixtures in their foreign policy. and, maybe in the internal, especially since you know that you have a severe split in internal politics, uh, and the necessary uh, external shutdown is the first. that is, this is insanity. mass i know very well with you there are common acquaintances in america that not everyone shares the point of view of those people who speak openly, many people understand there, but what is really happening and well, the second line is, of course, an attempt, but to make russia act, not the way she plans. well all these all these screams idiotic then that we in russia will strike a nuclear strike on ukraine is absolutely nonsense, because it's like

hitting there, well, given the prospects for the development of the situation. it's all the same that moscow would have bill in kursk, say, yes or poture. i have a blow to ukraine, uh, this is one part two. uh, i think that the game is still going to ensure that diversity, indeed, he delivered a nuclear strike, until the world majority is prepared for this, that is, not the west, when the west is uh, and therefore they are in a hurry and provoke russia to uh, ill-conceived , and actions they shoot down there, that is, you think that the united states is seriously discussing the possibility of a preventive nuclear strike in russia no, i think that the united states of america is not counting on it yet, but that russia will strike not yet ready for this the international community in quotation marks, or rather the world the majority inflicted a nuclear strike, but

on e countries that support the ukrainian regime, but are obvious. well, and accordingly, to bring down would bring down her reputation in the sudden world, which russia in general, outside the western world, we call it world majority. e, which russia is winning more and more. something like this, and these countries that, from your point of view, you would like russia to strike, this includes nato countries of course a. what other countries can be different here. well , after all, if russia had struck a blow at the nato countries, uh, especially a nuclear strike, therefore lead to a third world war, to which the bidens categorically says, well, he does not want to. and you know it's not true. uh, what you say, and i'm deep enough for them well studied american history of american

nuclear strategy and russian nuclear strategy. can e with ninety-nine. uh, the percentage of confidence to say that the united states after the acquisition. about the soviet union enough ability to retaliate a nuclear strike never planned to use nuclear weapons against the soviet union and then russia and in the event of uh a big war in europe it's flexible. yes, and even i certainly, especially the nuclei, but because just because uh, well, in order for the american in the event of a nuclear war in europe, suddenly don’t let god is what i pray, just almost every day. this happened means that in order for the americans to hit russia in america, an absolutely madman must eat the conditional white house in the white house. or a person who is deeply and deeply hated and has no pants and wants to sacrifice, ah and is willing to

sacrifice the boss to us, but for the conditional. it 's almost impossible, a small chance to eat a madman, that's why and above all, of course, i am against the use of, uh, nuclear weapons, i think that russia should to do without it, if possible, well, just according to normal human logic. any use of nuclear weapons. even successfully opens the way to hell morally. i would not like this road for mankind and for russia to exist. let's hear what the speaker of the state duma volodya has just said about this. if the washingtons of the nato countries supply weapons that will be used to attack peaceful cities and

more powerful weapons, the arguments that nuclear powers had not previously used weapons of mass destruction in local conflicts are untenable, because these states did not face a situation where there was a threat to the security of their citizens and the territorial integrity of the country. you disagree that this is a clear warning. the west does not take any action against what russia considers its territory, but considers it in a trap and clearly volodin says that strikes on russian territory, both old and new, that this could lead to the most dire consequences for the west, not excluding the use of nuclear weapons, please, i. naturally. i agree, but i think that’s vyacheslavvich, but he didn’t even say everything, what maybe they think in russia, but he said things absolutely obviously, but i hope

that russia, uh, will be able to solve, but the problem of ukraine a without this application this is a terrible weapon, uh and stop uh, west, and in his column of provocative politics before , thank you, and with us hey washington the loss of the bridge of catherine moore, and the correspondent of businessmen in the united states catherine you heard the conversation. what is your explanation why no one, especially in congress , takes seriously the danger of escalation when they introduce more and more new types of american weapons to ukraine. charybdis. yes, and on the one hand, they certainly do not want, uh, a fierce confrontation with a

nuclear power, and on the other hand, uh, they cannot allow russia to win, and in ukraine they can not either. uh, that is, if a russia wins in this confrontation, and then the countries of the west, including the united states, will actually be defeated, and i think that it’s worth looking at the history of the issue in general, how the united states behaved, for example, in world war ii, how carefully they acted and how much a the united states became a big beneficiary, and in the second world war we will remember that it was thanks to the second world war that the american economy grew. here i think they are this way as well on the one hand. they are trying to somehow push through russia, and on the other hand, well, at the expense of the american taxpayer, we can sponsor it. uh, uh, military

complex. well, it's very like this. it seems to me a serious big multi-move game. i still think that washington's strategies are far from complicated, far from stupid, and they have very serious tools, including public diplomacy or what is written in their national strategy, but in their national strategy. everything is very clearly spelled out, they create certain ones, but unions, but in europe, yes, and through which they, uh, just act, but here it’s so complicated multiplayer game. ekaterina did not come across in washington with this kind of logic that when they are told, and not necessarily from moscow, but it is even clear that kansk experts are actually some kind of experts in the administration itself, that if you, uh, the united states will move on along the path of escalation and

will help ukraine strike at the territory of russia, then this can have the most serious consequences, not excluding the use of tactical nuclear weapons. and as sergey karaganov just said, if you're embarking on that path, uh, where that path will lead is hard to be sure, and i know that when this kind of argument is heard in washington, the answer is often like this. you repeat, putin's arguments are putin's position , it helps. e russia, how would e relax, without waiting. uh, crushing uh, some kind of attack from ukraine that would be in the interests of the united states and in the interests of the world. have you heard such arguments? if yes, how do you feel about them? yes, of course i have heard such arguments, but there is such a thing as public opinion, and there is such a thing as a national strategy. and this is

what the americans are trying to tell now. they are trying to impose on them such intoxication from their own greatness. you know. yes, no, no, we're still a superpower. russia cannot compete with us. yes, they can't. e. what's the difference? well look how many red lines. we have already moved on, and russia is essentially doing nothing. and i think that this is due to just such a contradiction between sane and serious people. there are a lot in washington, and there we recall, for example, senator rande paul, and how he mr. blinkin, and after february 24, he literally joined. e in a serious confrontation. well, then what happened to the senator brand paul and how the mainstream mussel focus-bottom even began to attack him for what he said, but guys, well, let's see, well, all the previous foreign policy of the united states, after all, de facto pushed

russia to this conflict, to which, of course, but he received a lot of criticism, and he was almost called a city madman . it seems to me one of the most sane in washington, and i still think that he is not alone in this matter. he began his election campaign in the sixteenth year. he was asked who his non-political advisers were and the first name he gave was mine, which was somewhat of an artistic exaggeration. i have never been his formal adviser, but i really talked to him and, uh, i always considered him to be a reasonable and worthy person, and we have one. the common thing that unites us by gender, neither he nor i use any influence, but the real shaping of

american foreign policy and the real mood of catherine washington i'm afraid very different and uh, when senator mccain not the late senator mccain uh, said he considers rando paul an agent. i was waiting for putin with interest. well, one of his colleagues, at least the hub. nobody stood up. no one so there are, of course, uh sensible and honest people. there are certainly experts who, uh, are not publicly ready, uh, to go as far as the floor, but who also understand how the real world works, but if we're talking about you, those sentiments that affect the decision of washington these sentiments. they are given to all other direction. you don't agree with this. ah, you know, yes and no, but

i have such a strange position, but the fact is that i, uh, communicate quite a lot with both americans and people who once even worked, but in law enforcement agencies er there, but hides. well, apparently in the american special services, and i had a very interesting conversation with one of them, and he called me and said, listen, i wanted to start a business with ukraine, but i started talking to them. and tell me, please, are they really all so naive i say, and what are you talking about? and he told me so you understand, they really think that we are all flowers here. well, that is, and even people who worked in law enforcement agencies. they quite give themselves a clear understanding that there was cancer and there was her yugoslavia, yes, and, and they perfectly understand that a is all so. hot in the tongue, i

think that there is a certain one here. and you know these vog. these are the awakened ones, and the people who are constantly trying to put pressure on you. e your opinion. and every time you check your position. so afraid a little that some kind of attack will start on you. here. e, for example, e. so kir carlson yes, look at him. eh, a person who, well, actively, but promotes. eh, well, my opinion. how much in general was poured out on him during this time and they also called him an agent of the kremlin and they said that he was completely wrong. and that he is generally wrong american. a? well, here, but still the ratings. e carlson, they are still very high, many of them look at him. and even judging by the official, but the official question somewhere in order. percentage of

americans, and this is a very serious, but serious level. such a serious public opinion, and which, after all, but what washington is doing now does not support, and these are the people who talk about it. and how many of them, uh, just doubt and is between these two fires. i think that everything is not at all so simple. americans are difficult to deceive. uh, catherine i think you're right americans like to crumple as well, but some part is not very difficult. and besides, what is most important, still, it doesn't show anything. this is just public opinion. although this, of course, is also important. and what are the real political influences on the administration of the congress and, so far, i personally favor such influences .

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and we continue our conversation with sergey sergey karaganov last week hosted an important meeting of defense ministers of military ministers of nato countries and other countries that support ukraine at the american military base rammstein and, uh, very serious new deliveries of american european weapons to ukraine were announced. uh, canadian even australian, but on the other hand, it was not possible to agree on the supply of german tanks, uh, a leopard, which , as i understand it, president zelensky most of all wanted. and how do you perceive the decision reached in ramstein. well, i don't really like dmitry comment. and the news, all the more so, i was sitting in a ramstein and already has

information that you and most of our , uh, listeners? ah, i'd say, most likely. ah, ukraine will be defeated, how will it be defeated? i'm not quite yet. it's clear and if it were clear, i probably wouldn't tell you, but they want to prevent this. in any way, all the more so, they begin to understand that if ukraine is not defeated, then russia will endure in quotation marks, and defeat that is a probability, but a vertical escalation. very high ah, the americans understand everything correctly. although, of course, from the point of view of the great school of e-realists. uh, what i’m saying would

be absolutely, but it was absolutely pointless that the americans, in my opinion, internally agreed about you that nuclear strikes would begin on europe in order to finally finish it off and at the same time sink it. e russia a. i think that this is understood from moscow, so we will act according to our schedule and our plan, but it’s obvious to me that ukraine will be devastated. uh, those tanks, uh, around of which there is a game on well, firstly, this is a very small number, this is symbolically thin, and the germans are beginning to understand that all this means it means the death of germany well , potentially, god forbid, and yet we are close to germany despite all our differences . uh, this is a country that has given us a lot

, and we gave it well, germany takes at least a cautious position, and within the german coalition there are different points of view, the greens wanted, as they say, oh go to the end in support of ukraine among the social democrats . e pointer sun somewhat more cautious position. well, how do you explain the position of great britain, which presses and presses to give everything its own, firstly, it dominates zelensky, firstly, it gives very little. secondly, uh, i rate the quality very low, and the quality is near the edge of the british elite. it's uh, here starting the setcher all of the following examples were going down down to the bottom of the premiere. i don't know, maybe because he's black and pakistani.

he will be better than all the others, but there are, well, an indian. but come on, they walked, but just just like that, step by step, and the traditional british game they took is false, but in the head it's to smash continental europe one way or another, so if germany u suffers u in that logic. idiotic, which is completely inappropriate now, otherwise in chan it's good, that's how they all played. here. well, it’s just that now they don’t really understand that the english channel from a strategic point of view now does not separate them from europe and that if something starts, then britain will probably suffer the most. did i understand you correctly. you think that the united states would at

least not mind if russia launched some serious strikes on europe and perhaps even with nuclear weapons. did i understand you correctly. i. e, i think that naturally american colleagues. this will be denied. i think, well , i understand their logic a little. maybe i'm already off. and what would they, of course, would have objected, but in the end, uh, such a blow is the current one, and the situation would have dealt a monstrous mortal blow to europe anyway, it would have ended completely. although, this is for the americans too in the final long term terrible strategic. eh, she loses face, but her most important, and ally a and to a large extent. there are their pillars in the world. but, uh, in the same way they want to strike at russia, tearing it away from that world majority, uh, from which

it is the military-political core, of which it is and which, uh, there, no matter how they vote, uh- uh, uh, uh, in general, he is on the side of russia, which means that the west is talking about it, of course , that i have the world community against it. well maybe we know very well that the majority of the world is for russia. i'm not sure that i agree with you that the united states would like or even be indifferent to the possibility of a russian possible strike using tactical nuclear weapons somewhat agree on one thing, that objectively the united states' action is being pushed russia well, in this direction, not only i think that they have elements of provocation, of course. well, you know better, because you are still more inside this system, and there is, of course. uh, the elements of russia's provocation, we are fine we understand, but in order to try to

bring down its e world positions, because a direct attack with the help of a sanctions war and everything is worth an information war and everything else, in the meantime, it has not led, and not only, to the weakening of russia, we will really lose something economic , but in the end, but for now anyway run, and leads to gain. and this is a quasi-war or just a war that the west is waging against russia and led to the fact that e russia got rid of pro-western elements, or there, in quotation marks, the fifth column in its ranks, or quickly gets rid of it gets rid of the comprodos bourgeoisie, that is, the bourgeoisie, which depends on the economic, and on the outside world from the west took out their money. uh, hmm that was fantastic another tenth fantastic mistake. west when they hit the oligarchs. i hope that the oligarchs will raise, and revolt

against putin, uh, respectively, they undermined any interesting one. eh, russia e russian business, and in e normalization of relations or normalization of relations, and the west is strengthening russia in this sense. well, finally in russian. the political intellectual class uh is growing uh, understanding, and that the appeasement policy of the west is intellectual or political or economic uh, absolutely counterproductive and that perhaps even we were wrong in the past when we tried to negotiate? fine. here you understand. how far the united states is ready to go if you want to sacrifice the interests of europe. i think i understand that we, the annexed states, do not fully

mean, but i agree with you that objectively, objectively, american actions can push russia in this direction. what, i don't get it, where is the peace movement in europe. where is the serious political discussion on all these issues. and you know, we've been dealing with this issue quite densely for many years. ah. it's uh in europe partly america for 80-75 years, but the world has gone through very comfortable and pleasant lives. ah, the fear of war was gone by paraditism. at first, the soviet union and the united states , for their own reasons, failed, it seemed that gigantic opportunities were opening up in general, especially against the backdrop of what is already in the seventies

eighties. as you know, in the united states of america, especially in europe, there was a growing economic crisis, a social crisis, and due to the failure of the soviet union, the opening of new markets, this crisis. e was postponed, which is now, but it began like this strategic parasitism. they simply do not understand what and what it is about. and this is a very dangerous situation. uh, and we need to think about how to overcome this strategic parasitism. by the way, uh, alas, he is already strong enough in the united states of america where they also forgot. what is a big war? and even more so, uh, they forgot, but for that, the culture that was grown in the past ten, there is the fiftieth seventies eighties for years in part. and, and not the inadmissibility of nuclear wars, in general, they are not afraid of this

now, they are less afraid, and in europe, just forgive me. this empty-headed this empty-headed ringing. there are very. few people are europeans, i know, it's better to maintain closer relations with europe. uh, and there are no people left in europe with strategic thinking. i know three. sergey if you are right, and i am afraid that you are right, of course, it is unpleasant to agree with you on this issue, but i think from what i know that you are right. what are the consequences of this for russian foreign policy? it is very difficult to reconcile that it is very difficult to influence european public opinion. we be impossible. and you know, i think that, firstly, public opinion, europe is slowly awakening and will continue to awaken, but there is no hope for it. well, for the reasons we said and plus really degradation of social life. uh, the new culture on which, so to

speak, it is supported by obsession and fierce. well, the new culture is the denial of history. motherland gender. e. well, we know everything, but about this culture, er, these er people are becoming a little reborn. i was very afraid and afraid. and what is happening is the humanization of a significant part of the western elites and the western population. this is a rather strange and terrible story, that is, from the human in man and people. just forgot what's real is valuable. sergey thank you let's hear what's going on in germany with us. uh, on the body of the bridge from berlin, waldema

albert was recently a member of the bundestag from the alternative party for germany and you are still uh, well-known e well. i would say even a well-known political figure in his country. please tell me it's still happening uh in germany uh where u talk so much about humanism so much talk about tolerance. that's where these wonderful qualities are when they talk about russia and not just russia a about the russian people, a, who are waging a very difficult struggle in ukraine, which, in general, it seems to me, could easily demonstrate that russia has its legitimate interests in ukraine why such rage against russia is such a lack of understanding of russian positions ? but it

is necessary to share the misunderstanding and fury on the part of the elite and on the part of the common people . here, uh, elena berg is it is nurtured through uh, surovtsevsky through all these uh, yang lida and others, this is a product. uh, this long-term personnel policy, which is completely ideological, and brainwashed, in which there is no pragmatics left. eh, only isms remain. here someone is green fascism. someone has a different understanding, and the people are in their majority, especially in the eastern lands. still, very, uh, treats both russia and the russian people with understanding. and with great

bewilderment and shock, he looks at what is now happening in big politics gradually. you right, it is waking up, but the activity of this people, because, uh, this first state of shock is passing and i think that in the near future we will see great social cataclysms here in europe and god forbid that this remains within the framework of democratic processes. this will be a change of power and the arrival of pragmatists, the collapse of the european union and a return to a normal pragmatic good neighborly policy. thank you sergey you do not want to comment or ask people a question you know me. uh, i hope uh that i think knows the situation better than me, so comment, and with your permission, i wo n’t, well, because he knows better than i will ask

a question. and uh, you said that you expect that there could be serious cataclysms in europe and a lot of things can change. e you said, if you understood correctly, mainly about domestic politics about values ​​about the approach to migration, especially illegal migration. do you expect that there will be changes. uh, especially in germany in the field of foreign policy and in the field of relations with the current, and the american patron of germany and in relation to russia who are now positioned as an adversary. i think changes must inevitably come, because, well, your program is called a big game, and yet, in order to understand all the processes that are happening now, you need to know the rules of this big game for america. nightmare or for the anglo-saxons, this is a nightmare

when u- e russia begins to effectively cooperate with europe in germany, including, and the european union, it seems, as a partner of the united states at some point began to become a competitor to the euro, began we began to squeeze out american enterprises from the chemical and other automotive industries, which seriously pressed the american business and the brewing crisis. brought to america. uh, to the fact that we are now seeing another reorganization of the military reorganization of the american economy. first you need one. relations between uh europe and russia, and for this a cascade of sanctions was introduced, up to the explosion of the gas infrastructure, which was clearly opposed. everyone understands us, but everyone is silent, because

the personnel policy has done its job high-level politicians. all manual affairs are opened for everyone, there are macron folders, i tried to fly to e, washington and timidly asked that they stop giving such unequal conditions to our enterprises and american enterprises four times cheaper gas e energy carriers for their enterprises than for ours, this knocks us out competitive struggle. and why, as soon as he began preparing for this trip, a criminal case was immediately opened against him. they searched his office in his office. and everywhere a prosecutor's case and a criminal case were opened against him. e, according to which he will definitely go to jail when he is not president. now you can continue to calmly lead france, such a technique is against all leaders. the first thing they achieved was that they broke off

relations between russia and, e.g., europe. but the most important thing is that you have identified the most important reason in your statements. here are all of these events. this is the growth of china and the danger of china. china is declared the main enemy to stop in china by military means. well , it’s almost unrealistic, what needs to be done , uh, push russia away from china like potential partner. and most importantly, what they have achieved is to destroy 600 million solvent customers of the european union on chinese products. the chinese economy cannot develop if we do not buy these, uh, chinese products today, we can hardly have them for another two or three months. therefore , no one is interested in these uh actions in ukraine, neither in a global war, nor in the victory of one of the parties,

everyone is interested in a further conflict that depletes the economies of these countries by putting china in a very disadvantageous position, it will develop very badly, and the united states, by poaching our enterprises 11% of german enterprises. now they are looking towards china, they are ready to move their production there, that is, competitors have removed china, weakened their economy, and sanctioned it. this is the main reason for all these actions that we saw today, many thanks to you and we hope to start soon. see on our program thank you sergey for an interesting conversation, and after the advertisement we will move on to another topic of the military events in the ukraine gentlemen officers we have a

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deposits. and now you are already skimming the cream off him in the sovcombank clan in the branch and online at 9% per annum vladislav what, from your point of view, is the most important thing that our audience should know about the dynamics of military events in ukraine completely torn down. that is, those plans that were originally announced by february 24 to reach the line from which they began special military operations take e. by

the new year, mariupol followed him, respectively, melitopol to approach the crimea, it didn’t work out exactly something, nothing. on the contrary , lost initiative. russian army. i took this initiative and in all directions and two are developing. uh, well right to seek offensive action. it cannot be called a strategic offensive, but it is very tough. uh, as if the pressure on the enemy, which grinds the huge forces that the enemy, accordingly, in this case, of course. both sides are now starting get ready for the spring-summer company. and here it is very important to understand that, despite the fact that in ramstein everyone seemed to exhale calmly, that western tanks were not given, and somehow everyone suddenly decided that, in general, something like this happened. in fact, rammstein is, uh, a milestone to some extent, because it is obvious that this rammstein showed that the only one with a plan exists a plan. and this is still to force

russia to admit its military defeat, which i am talking about, but only the artillery systems that are allocated to ukraine in ramstein e will be enough for three full-fledged artillery brigade , moreover, tanks that seem not to be allocated are actually allocated, that is, poland undertook to transfer its t-72 tanks of its own production from its composition. in addition, there are moroccan tanks. in addition, there are, but british, which have already promised. it is quite possible that polish leopards will also appear. well, this is questionable, but in any case, ukraine will receive about a hundred tanks in the next one and a half next 2 months, everything that i have listed is quite enough to equip two shock corps, and fully equipped according to all western standards. at the same time, one must understand that it is not voiced, but a transmission is in progress, including various digital systems. that is, in fact, these will already be hulls that will work entirely according to nato

standards, fan-made digital uh systems. and, accordingly, in this case, a bet will be made on doing e in the spring when the e earth is completely dry , what did not work out categorically for november- december. january, and it says that there will be a very powerful escalation ahead. ukraine is now urgently gathering 150,000 conscripts. well, more precisely, mobilized mobilizers. naturally, there is a constant training of personnel in other countries, that is, ukraine a. and, well, simply, what is called, uh, with all its heat, so to speak, the heart is preparing for a new big war. and this, of course, e cannot but be in the attention of us, that is, in this case it requires preparation from us on the one hand. uh, we have very powerful reserves. that is, also about 150.000 e reserves, which have not even been brought into battle on the other side. we understand that in this

case it is important for ukraine not even to fulfill what they promised, it is clear that these forces will not be enough to fulfill the promise of september, that is, to stand on the borders from which it all began, but try to say reach the sea of ​​azov try to cut the road to the crimea to approach the crimea through melitopol ukraine can try and repeat. this, uh, only says that, unfortunately, not even tens of thousands, but many tens of thousands of soldiers of ukraine will die and conditionally, of course, we will suffer losses too, but this is the stake on trying to turn the war at any cost into the situation that we saw, uh, 30 years ago, and we literally celebrated 31 years on january 17. the operation began in the desert and, accordingly, in this case, this is the very operation that became the prototype of what the united states is trying to do today in relation to russia. that is, you

inflict a military defeat on it, force and withdraw troops from behind the iron curtain , continue to choke it with the help of sanctions. this is the only plan that still remains without any major change, despite the fact that it is in general, bursting went. vladislav well, uh, of course, if the west made this move, and russia would have given them, it could have the most serious consequences, but it’s not for me to tell you that russia is not sitting as a servant. you know the latest statements by president putin about expanding the size of the russian armed forces and obtaining new equipment, and i am carefully watching what western experts say. officials, they obviously all have, or nearly all have, uh, but if you like, a

healthy new respect for capability in the russian military. and they have, uh, an understanding that uh, in general, russia is the russian army. she is also not what she was, but at the beginning of the operation and that she is an increasingly formidable force. having said this, i generally share, if you like, your aspiration, if i characterize it incorrectly, the amendments. me wahi aspiration not to be engaged again in a hat throwing. uh, which was not e po at least from my point of view, the russian command, which had many in the media and this kind of television strategists, and it seems to me very important i never underestimate the enemy and understand that russia is really faced with a situation where

not only nato, the collective west, took upon itself, if you like, a voluntary commitment, and the united states was pushed in this regard, but in europe, starting from poland, the natural baltic states , there were, as they say, many who wanted to go, so far away, but in the fight against russia, as circumstances allow? well, recently, uh, charles ha , the head of the european commission, and such a completely different person, as a former adviser to the office of zelensky arrestovich. they said that the next few months would be decisive, and in general, they would even recognize, but for the first time in many months, the possibility of defeating ukraine. what happened on the fronts of ukraine to cause such concern in washington,

brussels , first of all, army in september, after the start of the ukrainian offensive, almost most western, uh, military observers predicted a quick victory for ukraine . the offensive, which failed near kherson, succeeded from kharkov, it began to develop. eh, everyone saw that the problems that had accumulated by that moment began to move from quantity to quality and comments on the forecast continued to pour in. how much longer can russia hold out in total, i remind you. it was believed that by february everything would be finished for sure, but it turned out that literally within a month the ukrainian army was stopped everywhere, then there is a promotion over, and over the next 2 months, russia was able to do virtually impossible. she was able to return to the system of the armed forces from which she left almost 25 years ago from the concepts of a universal

army. a huge mobilization was carried out in just 2 months to call on 300,000. despite the fact that we really e have largely lost that system of mobilization mobilization of the soviet union, which was nonetheless. we were able to create very powerful reserves in these short periods of time. we were able stabilize the front. we filled the battered units at the front with personnel and equipment. and uh, by the beginning of january. we seized the initiative and, of course, it became generally a sobering rain and sobering such a concept, but for everyone. one way or another, he predicted us an imminent defeat, and it became clear that the war would no longer end in the military defeat of russia, this is already obvious , the only question is, uh, will it be possible to somehow change the current situation in the summer, but about no already uh, in such a military triumph. no, of course, we must understand and sum up very important results for almost a

year already, and we must understand that when we often criticize our army, our generals. we do not really understand even what we were able to do in a year. i just want to be very short. remind today, a wonderful military commander alexander sladkov, he posted this. we destroyed and defeated in 11 months and i will explain , that means two, uh, air armies. we defeated five general military armies. we defeated two tank armies. i list in this case, the number of weapons that was destroyed, for which this weaponry would be enough. of course, in this case, it was not armies that fought, they fought with their own system, which they had, but i repeat, we were able to destroy , uh, a military structure, which, in terms of its uh, scale, but amounted to approximately a total of about 600-700,000 people. these are those who actively used all this. at the moment of all this. no, of course,

ukraine has forces left, so it continues to fight, but today we are actually fighting against, uh, the second army of europe, if you take everything what they gave ukraine everything that they have now promised to give it, and what is the first army, of course. we have no questions in large. that is, if you are talking about the opponents of russia , then this is the strongest, the army of europe, for sure. there is not even any doubt at all and you need to understand that we really respect our enemy. to some extent, we learn from him, because we cannot learn from the enemy. this is to doom ourselves to repeating both his mistakes and ours, therefore we are obliged to draw all conclusions and, of course, fight against this army. we are changing and like the military system and as a state, that is, we understand that now a lot depends on our industry and especially the military industry. and we know how much these efforts are being made now, we know how important it is

to prepare our uh reserves well and with high quality, because we see again from uh, a very sad experience of su. what is it when untrained people are thrown into battle by the thousands, a well-known terrible, probably, which in the future in the history of ukraine will become one of the saddest pages of the bakhmud meat grinder, in which, uh, vsu, lost over uh, literally a month and a half more than 12,000 bits. this is in general such a gikatonba of the size in the first world war. if you read those, er, those documents. therefore, of course, e war. unfortunately, it continues, but i, uh, have some kind of understanding inside that we have reached such a plateau of events and, uh, beyond the horizon of autumn. i think that there will already be some decisions, because it is quite obvious that if this plan is repeated, i have no doubt in

it that it will fail, but if the americans see that this plan is not working. and that having given everything in ukraine they still cannot change the situation, then, of course, in this case there will be time for some other decisions. tell me, well, when you say that you need to learn from the ukrainians, but i think that you probably meant that to learn how to fight. uh, ukraine uh, under the auspices of the collective west, russia cannot learn from ukraine at the strategic level, because the strategy is not determined in kiev but in washington and you know very well how plans are developed ukrainian operations. it's me, uh, not sharing any classified information. this is something that is widely discussed in the western press with reference to the most authoritative sources. and how do i tell you that in this context? i bow to what

russia has managed to do because i do not know in the history of the creation of such a coalition as the one that is now opposed to russia and that russia can deal with this co. and at least on an equal footing and even manage to change its dynamics benefit. it seems to me that this is very a serious achievement, but i'm worried about a couple of specific things and one of them, of course, is the flow of american heavy artillery to ukraine. and not so much. this worries me, because this artillery is, in principle, destructive. well, because this is artillery - it relies on electronic intelligence on the means of guidance of the united states and nato who can make this artillery, which, as i just read about the lord, on khodakovsky. who knows well what is happening in the donbass what can be done,

so that this artillery is more effective to suppress and whether any new artillery systems of the system, and high-precision, but long-range ones, enter the arsenal of the russian army. well, first of all, of course, we need to change, and in principle, we have already changed. e the very ideology of the use of artillery, from the old soviet artillery vertical, when a task , say, received or there, this reconnaissance passes through many floors and then ends up at the end of the performers. that is to say, to the artilleryman through there 30-40. and then through clock of course, we have already switched to the system, when the artillery is tied to the commander who leads, uh, the battle. on what is called the front line certainly? eh, these are all the algorithms. their application is now changing very much, which we must learn from the strong

side of the ukrainian army, because it, uh, was formed precisely by the western allies. uh, formed on western technology on western equipment, of course. this is her digital part, which allows her to work very quickly. uh, like, like a weapon and, of course, that's it we need it very urgently now. you know, as before, they say to break the distance. we have a lot of brilliant developments, including those from our military kulibins and programs that allow, e, equalize chances, and they are now beginning to be taught, including getting into academies and schools, one of the main tasks of strategic tasks today. this is experience scaling. i will say a strange thing armament. we are getting weapons, we are getting the latest weapons, we are getting the latest systems. we have long had systems that, in their own way,

parameters surpasses the highmars. just in this case somehow highmors. you know how publicized it is and any of its volleys. he is heard. and what we do in this case goes into obscurity, because ukraine presses any information about its losses. this is another war, information, but nonetheless. the main task today is to scale the experience. for 10 months and for the previous 8 years, we have accumulated the most valuable experience of people who are constantly fighting at the forefront and these people. yes, their experience needs to be endured very urgently to the level when it becomes the property of all. this is one of the main things. whoever learns first will get a huge advantage. our task is to learn first, because ukraine is forced to send its people abroad. they are trained there ukraine is huge. the topic of personnel is therefore forced to fill and drive tens of thousands of

untrained people. she fails to teach them. our task is to make our soldiers shed professional at the moment. this task is quite obvious that loss ratio. in this case, i rely only on front-line soldiers. who is speaking? it is simply incomparable, and uh, well, in this case i will not try to give numbers there, but it is absolutely not in favor of ukraine and many times over, but this does not mean that we should reassure. this means, i repeat, that we must apply this combat experience to new weapons and, accordingly, create a new system. and only in this way will we be able to grind down that huge military machine, which is being prepared for the spring. thanks e. and if something about this situation, uh, makes me optimistic in addition to those material things. which you talked about and new new

information about how effectively the russians work in the industry. this is your description of priorities, digital zoom area. this does not inspire optimism, because that is what i heard, but from russian military experts. that is, what you were talking about, you are not some kind of opinion. from the outside, this is what it seems to me, but has already been adopted by the relevant russian military structures. and i think, what if, when the ukrainian army gets what it is promised, and even what it hasn't been promised yet, they run into a significantly stronger russian army than they expect? thanks a lot. thank you. there was a big game on the air. let's meet. thank you tomorrow.

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