good night, dear friends, live podcast, creative industry lab. our guest is sergei polunin, who forbids talking about himself in superlatives, a man of genius ballet dancer of the russian ballet. e , director of the sevastopol opera and ballet theater elena kipr e, producers all the host of this podcast roman karmanov is wonderful excellent lead media manager and general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives. good night. thank you for calling and why, by the way, do you forbid it? talk about yourself shrinking. now, isn't it boring to be a

ballet genius in 2023? everything, like everything was invented, like mastered, every person was born. for something i have. it seems to me that such a mission is to slightly evolve the aircraft as a self-industry. i know this, i know how to do it technically, i know artistically. but it takes many years to go to this and a lot of things to do to find associates of people who will help, but in general , the industry from which i wanted to leave for the cinema, but then i realized that i wouldn’t do something if i i’ll leave the ballet of the industry itself, so i realized that you need to think that you don’t enough. how can it evolve. in sense to combine two arts? yes, it's interesting. i realized that i just wanted to act

in films. not as interesting as doing it along with the dance. yes? you already have it sort of. you are your vocation turns out, ballet times. you can't get out of here already. and this is an art that can be integrated there exactly, because the language of dance is international and i watched and saw indian cinema. i think why, uh, i have so many emotions. why are there so many positive emotions, and then you realize that you are the dance you look at the dance on you, you understand it and the old hollywood it was based on krasno on the musical cinema there was a feeling that you were emigrating towards the musicals. uh, but i'm very happy that i can't sing, because you know, if the people who thought about me wanted to put on a musical. yeah who made the phantom into the opera the phantom of the opera, well i know

i can't sing and it takes you away from another industry where you can just dive in and spend years there. i know that in the cinema, as it were, i can not change industry. that is, i can become a very good actor. perhaps even one of the best, but i won’t change anything there, it’s not my calling, and like brando, why brando the great, he changed the entire industry, how cinema fits, how an actor plays, but in dance, i think i’m all- however, maybe i can do it. that's how i feel, that's why i spend a lot of time it's hard, because the industry is forgotten. she never wants it and she doesn't want it. go better there composers better playwrights better because ballet not mass art. it didn't become it. maybe again there was a genius grigorovich and the whole epoch

looked at his art and was his art, but there was no contribution to new ribs. either he didn’t allow it, or they didn’t think to create some kind of system in order to give new people the opportunity to at least copy it or try something new, they simply don’t have it, and therefore there was such a genius. for how many 40-50 years he was at the head of, uh, the best theater in the world in the big one, but this era has passed, and a new one has not appeared because of this hmm such a big gappa and a shortage of directors. what can one genius do, but still one person, now, in the perspective of five to ten years , some real plan. i move on my

system. it is limited for me and for finances because of some kind of support. and i also create, that is, a request came from somewhere. and, for example, you helped with pfc to give to the master and margarita project, now i mean, the master and margarita project has a desire, people have financial support. let's think about what can be done. that is, i am very i depend. here is a proposal, but, as it were, from the side , thank god that there is such a proposal, and we will try to do something new in the media. it's not exactly theatrical probably will be, because i'm leaving a little bit. that's exactly the kind of art that for subtle connoisseurs such as those who came here you can't cough to sit there,

you can see it right there clearly. uh performance, uh, criticize it, that is, i'm not talking about it. it should be entertaining, but also with a deep idea and with the right emotions. there are singing ballerinas, again, i can go to them yes? yes, i came from a book, but for example, can a ballet dancer display a flight? yeah, but there is no flight in the air, therefore, you need to turn to dancers who work in the air, that is, accordingly, such a circus dance, this art dance appears. yes, it's an idea, but it's up in the air. that is, these are no longer classic endings. there's a code. he can't be like jesus there. yes, the dance of jesus can be ballet. and the cat , i must have a man

. dancer. well, i'm probably not going to divulge his name for now. i don't know, as much as possible, it looks like a cat. he's right there when he met him. i'm like this. you don't need a cat, nothing else. if i understand correctly, then the opportunity to speak. thus, there are a very limited number of them, therefore, each such opportunity should be used in order for it to influence the industry as a whole, such a strategy, that is , master and margarita, will contain something in itself that will affect or should affect at least if only it was a little modern, again i and i probably can not divulge the music of a brilliant film composer. he has written different music, but i also want to introduce rock music with some modern banking music to modernize and again this is because the character talks about it. and if your

ballet is called a show, it will be a shame for you. uh, no, i, on the contrary, worked with uh with artists with directors who are more into theater. i always tell them to get away from this more. so think about the stadium, think about some kind of club story, i don’t know, it finds a restaurant understanding a little bit, they return to their a-a, but it becomes more bright something so much energy. even now your eyes sparkle with energy. it seems to me that you are holding yourself back, well, the first workshop that i do not want to hold back, first, said cowardice. this is the main sin. and secondly, the time comes when you say, i want to do it, how to do it to the maximum, what will happen. we even asked johnny depp, true, he said, no, we even asked johnny depp,

will he participate johnny depp said, that he will not risk his projects for 3 years, until , let's say, in russia he loves russia, he performed here more than once with his rock and rock concerts, that is, he is absolutely normal, but he said that because of the fact that she has now there was a court scandal. he will not take risks now for 3 years. apparently he has some major projects, but i do the performance in such a way that some components can be moved, if johnny depp is the end result. when we go on tour, he wants to participate, it will change a little, the performance is an emotion, but he can calmly enter there sergei well, from everything you say, uh, it seems that you have a plan, there is quite a big ambition, but we understand that we are in a conservative society, really not very prone to experiments.

that's how much time you give yourself to try and make these changes, and at some point you may or may never run out of patience. this is where care comes in. i don’t know the words in the movie series, for example, one has already burst. that is, i want to seek the truth. that's a year and a half ago or a year back after with my ideas to do something new, that is, i was upset, but such was disappointment. that is, the truth was in what or in whom? true, there was covid, here, but during covid i wanted to after we showed roma juliet in the rent of diveron for 10,000 people. i said, let's bring this performance to the crimea from desire. i say give me 10,000 dollars. i'll find 300. here.

i just needed desire. i say, i will take you from serbia to italy, i will take you to the border this performance not only you need to let him in and desire, and you will have an orchestra. and i made a performance without an orchestra on purpose. well, then it's not serious, and after such here's a wall of reluctance. and this is what i want to change in russia so that people light up. separate from management, leave yourself as a creator, so that you don't have to deal with these, well, business negotiations that force you to come up with some kind of logistical chains. just remaining the creator to instruct - this is the producer who will be with great energy, like locomotives to drag in this studio. there is how at least one is very good, i seem to know for sure, how difficult it is to be both

a creator and, uh, a manager, and uh, a creator very often begin to be limited by fears that now this somehow won’t have to happen or this is how the people will react. and when the creator still unites himself with the manager, then there, all the more so, such realities appear. well, i have been doing this for many 10 years already. i again went through various difficulties, but incredible ones, but it was like a fire that tempered me. now, if not for me and my team no one else gives money. in principle, that is, this is also a limiting belief. you are very interested in you have a very large resource. so let's say that it pleases, these are people who come to buy tickets from them at their expense, here is a real advocate. we leave every time. that's because people go. right

now in london there were 25 performances. if people came to italy, they come to europe , they come to america, they know, but in russia they love it, as it were. well, my rear, it turns out. i always come back due to the support of people, just right. but we are working so that there are sponsors, so that return here we are on the air of channel one. ah, someone, perhaps, on the other side of the screen listens to us and wonders how sergei , the ballet genius, cannot find money for his own ideas. i have, for example, there are such people in our country, there are many people who do not know where to invest . and, for example, somehow this person comes to you. a complete stranger speaks. i'm ready to go to bed. where do you say? how many 10 years? and there is no such thing, well, suddenly it was not. well, yes, that is, you

are ready to miss out on your project to find such one person is generally a fairy tale, but did not match somehow. that's fate. here , through the difficulty, everything through the difficulties, through there or now, we will do it or we will go bankrupt at some intermediate stage. i’ve been constantly climbing this one since the first project, as i started. or maybe him. uh, let's say apopsity, that is, to make a certain amount of products that popularize ballet, uh, which popularizes you as a person, that is, you are in a niche. well , until the master and margarita came out, but you are known as balleron dancers. but here, maybe be some kind of product that is sure to get you out. i still have such a big minus that for many years? i spent in the west.

here are my political statements, as if they were opinions, they do not allow those artists who would like to work with me in the west to make a project, for example, such as dj nows , they should have serious projects with him or films for spikes. there, the studio general even produced avatar, who is now producing. he thought he was working with me or producing avatar, that is, serious opportunities there were my conscience here. and the possibilities here are still certain. but now society is changing, something is interesting. something i'm sure will be interesting. but we have some names with whom we would like to realize our dreams. i dreamed of working with yura bardash. this is the producer of the mushroom group. yes, we all know each other in your place

. yes, even this person is not interesting, that is, even before everything and when he was still in the group of mushrooms. they were too high and far away from us to even talk to him. well, now i think it will the opportunity to work with him and make some kind of new product, for example, to go to some kind of underground there. club history, so that even in a nightclub some kind of flying team can actually do a project. if you are open to it, that is what can move into the commercial field, because all a's are like thoughts. what are the returns? how will it be commercialized, how will it be monetized, so as soon as you enter a more popular field, where to barber. actually. it begins there, another is already a different egregore. hmm, you correctly noted that the industry

needs a business, a business approach in general, if the pain does not come into a business approach, it will disappear as an interesting industry. and this is one of those steps, too, but it will be after we demonstrate that the ballet is for sale, and it is for sale, you can recapture the investment in a week. well, let's not lie then. we have a nightly ballet podcast, and it was elitist and it was very sexy art , people went to enjoy and there’s nothing like that, but to see beautiful people on the stage are beautiful, uh, figures and uh, ballet. this is one of the very. from a commercial point of view and from the point of view that we are not talking about selling sexuality. the fact is that people are always interested in looking at other people who, in some way, transcend their

uniqueness and set an example for fires. on which slippery road you are trying to push us now pushes no road. and me, but then again? we speak openly, er, and sergei has one. uh, too, success in this big look at you come to you. you are called to you big, damn, it's impossible not to love, but the main thing is to get there. not everyone gets into the theatre. i am such a person. here i live remotely, the theater was thought, that is, not about dance , not about ballets. i don't think, and i wouldn't go to ballet. not not interested, it's there to go. i, in principle, have never been since school, but i must somehow be lured, something must happen, and i wonder what would be like mcgregor lured. uh, people out there in mma in ballet, that should be happening too. yes it was. it was the strongest recognition. uh,

ballet genius sergei polunin. now i'm not talking about myself. in general, i believe that individuals should be helped. uh, in the industry, there must be agents, managers, pr agents, and and so on in the industry, there is no such thing at all, that is, it is an industry without the support of these people, that is , is there an industry at all or not? yes, that is missing simply-quite simply about it. so they come to the theater there. how many can there be 200 in a large 300 people? and or i, as a military dancer, come to the royal, they don’t give such a stack of contracts. i don't know anything about it. what is the contract, i'll take it i'll look, of course, i took the ecological one home. she lay down with me and took such a sign that it is written there, i still don’t know. and then they tell me, you will dance, this is

one person. it is the director who dictates to you and dictates the rules to everyone for you, no one does. and the director looks at what the theater needs. and i worked for 5 years, i understand this, yeah, i don’t have the opportunity to go somewhere there is no money, but to create too, no matter how much they do so that, well, maybe one performance, maximum per year , god forbid, i said that here wondering how i don't see dancers. i don’t see it on the ads there on the talk show, i’m so something not like here, i didn’t know the answers, but i have these questions, and then for shopping. he is an artist, he says, and how is it without an agent ? why do i need an agent i was told that it is bad to bring agents, that is, seryozha, we will raise your salary, not only bring agents. these people are so grinning at capitalism now that the theater exists like this, and there is none. this is an industry that needs to

be created from scratch. i think i need some kind of the russian crushes the horsebelt, which, uh, must, uh, create art objects related to ballet to popularize and it will start, that is, a woman for me. here is yura bardash as a taste guide. if it's neat, it's very businesslike. and what did we do? was it for a lot of money? our david told me that volodya had died.

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to work with it. registry of such professions, well that is, in the future, you really have the wildest deficit in having managers, agents, professionals in having enlightenment in this area, because if you sign a contract and don’t look at what is there, but certainly this is some way uh , the path is thorny, where you get bumps, but it gradually creates from you someone who already feels in that status, in order to switch to a completely different path, i just really want to wish you this shift, and in the new reality in which we we live now live point-blank fine as they say, you won't have to, not you, not me, you know? well, if it develops in this way, i have hope for what, er, sergei polunin, a passionate

creative person, wants to move the industry forward. here, yes, the moment of yura bardash came out . this means that he is also a passionate person, they are so passionate that, generally speaking, sergey is sitting here with us today. yes, but when we understand that resources are running out here, they are not there, well, just take it to move to another place. here's how we can keep these people who are passionate here in russia right? what the minus does not keep people close about, and i will also reveal the secret, i also talked with yura bardash once. also a person who let's go there, that is, they don't keep, closer than such. well, that is, they need to be held somehow to cling to them, or what? i'm really a year ago. i left. i left, i said. i regained everything that was in the west

again everything that i lost. i brought back the film agent. i already have a movie in america , but it was once held, and advertising contracts, that is, everything again again there, that is, i returned it, but i hope that people it’s just, maybe people weren’t allowed to think like that, because there was really a lot, there were a lot of agents in russia , the main thing for artists is that he was just in demand, he wanted to do something to me there , just tell me there, seryoga, let’s go there in novosibirsk let's do it. it's not about money. here you are talking about yura bardash. that is, he asked me, seryoga, we were talking about some one there. i say no money. he speaks without question. well, that is, people want to do really want. yeah, sergey can throw a bridge ah-ah in the next decade and

see yourself in the next decade in the creative industries in your industry. what are you doing what are you? well, during these 10 years? well, ideally, in the first four and five years, you would do such performances, new technologically, or something new in a new way , and it would be good. they would be bought and sold and people would go to them to prove that ballet is. interesting, perhaps, is the release of the collaboration with bullywood to china and india. well, that is , such collaborations, it's interesting, the second stage will be the introduction, in general, into the industry itself and the cultivation of these managers agents. this also needs to be created. i hope there will be a theater point and a base, which is still missing, in order to create more products, from which even tourism could travel. ah. i do not understand why tourism

does not pay attention to performances. several huge sites are currently under construction. where there is tourism. this is the main thing. what to pay attention to, because people love from switzerland. i spoke, there are 200 people, and they live in cities in the mountains. they do, a performance is created , a festival is created, and there is full and full starting tourism has been such a problem in the regions. indeed, no sound, no light, no platform. and now it’s a little bit already there are such opportunities for the performance, it’s like they’re going somewhere, and then there to see some kind of art object and something else and live in this town. that is, did i hear correctly that we also have a lot of passionate governors, heads of regions who are ready , for example, to invite a good person to region a and, in principle, provide everything

necessary, but there is sevastopol, but i know that many heads of the institution culture they, well, as it were, supervise several sites , well, for example, because novosibirsk vladivostok khabarovsk, if i did not make such an offer 100%, that is, i, i would just fire up, fire up to do something. it would directly be happiness to do happiness, and it seems to me that there are many people like me, but now our regions are divided according to the specialization someone develops animation. who are but someone music someone? well, tourism, of course, but one of the eighty-nine regions. i could take on the responsibility to become, in general, the capital of ballet modern innovative self innovative ballet. so channel one. but there is the ice age and suddenly the ballet. why not? this is wildly interesting. he is such a specific

thing that it is very difficult. this, even if they can't dance to dancers, if you're not trained in ballet to dance ballet, that is, it is absolutely specific . classic show, well kind of, but uh britain did that kind of show, it was successful and hmm half was ballet, and half was collected from the street guys, just from the street there were a lot of injuries, their knees flew, but it was successful. you have an inner feeling, like what percentage of the country's population. now russia is generally interested in ballet now due to the fact that in soviet times, aching was the main thing. it seems to me very large, that is, potentially. uh, it's a ballet-based show that has a pretty broad audience. uh, but as it were a matter of technology, again a matter of promotion. i'll be honest here. this is a very

big promoter. sells better in china than an opera and than an orchestra. it's just that when orchestras go, it's number one, in my opinion, one number one promoters in the classics sell ballet better and ballet cannon balls sometimes go out. well, you'll pay a lot more. that is, if a royal ballet dancer can even pay, for example, 30,000 pounds a year, then an opera can pay 50 operas at a time for 100 million years or four. unfair, yes it is clean. that's how it went. how would it be accepted. my mother worked in kiev at the ballet theater, they said why we get less, but we sell better, to which the leader came out and said, uh, opera families, they need to feed them.

that is, it was just a little bit like him for ballet, like for children, or something, who they still don’t have , their families are still young, and, unfortunately, they retire early, which does not allow them to gain a foothold and have some then the weight to affect something, so i want to settle a little bit. it's clean. so it turns out that you also need to change what has historically evolved over the years, but this is completely. it seems incredible to me in general, the purpose and load and change the mindset of the dancers themselves. i was once on the bbc with one dancer and the bbc and i told you that you need to raise salaries, you need to give freedom, so that there are contracts and a presenter like that, yes, and to this person. this person is like that, we don’t come to ballet for this. in short, everything was hacked to me. that is, they have a little mentality, of course, and it is right that they love dancing. they really live

this work for many 9 years of study. and it is convenient for directors. it doesn't dictate to them. what to do and they do. it is very comfortable. and for me even here, as producers. uh, in london i could pay a dancer £400 a week , a lot, it's not much, but i had the right to just pay. uh-huh i'm like, let's pay them 2.000 to perform. well, you’ll burn out like that , then you start to have a dilemma, how not to burn out, but how not to use well. these poor dancers, who simply danced for the best for free. who is supporting you now? that's when it becomes completely unbearable, when you just want to slam the door, and well, at the time such emotions, what do you draw strength from? well , i think the family helps a lot. children elena my

girlfriend. i mean, this is all very important. there i got seriously injured this year, that is, i had a lot of cancellations in europe . stay. stay, well, she becomes your center of the family. it is important. you have a son, the world, and a son, a gift. yes happy birthday to your first son son's name is the world the world presses. and you, uh, they will be into this art, as if they would be very very theatrical, both worlds love to dance , in general they only dance, just so charismatic in general for an artist, that it is important

that it is interesting to look at him, is there an energy that attracts then , she will work. you will be that musician in the movies, it doesn't matter. here they have one for them it is interesting to watch what they choose. there's music theater, well, something seems to me creative. you are very very emotional uh, love to dance then, it turns out that forces have to be invested. well, directly into their future. in general, and i have such an idea. if i am now creating performances, that is, i can, in principle, convey and be calm that someone supports. i have such an idea, yes, it appears, if they choose this direction, it will, of course, be a gift for me. do you already have a photo session with your two sons? uh, in the spirit of davidal chappelle? well , that is, i see, well, really the son of the world is a gift and sergey well, i just just fly around it

all tabloids. well, yes, it needs to be restored. wanted you. i beg your pardon loshapel. although i am now in a hurry in new york, he has me. and here i am on the cover of his book last. that is, i am present there, dear friends , the night is, of course, long, but our podcast has limits, so, unfortunately, it is already ending. excuse me, i have already switched to pretentious language, and in fact, really, sergey gives the impression of a person who is really stubborn and who is ready for this move the industry. and i would like to wish success in this. and thank you for your help to say that here on this stage there are people who are ready to help and are also ready to join. if someone sees us now and is also ready to help sergey in getting the ball rolling and realizing his idea. you too contact us if you want, if

you want, contact us we will find and help you get on the server, incredible. it was interesting talking to you. we think in the way people we and you are the image that can take the hand a large number of people and bring in this art, and popularize it. i think it's clear. you have that kind of potential. thank you for your energy sergei polunin is a genius. uh, russian ballet dancer , fortunately, dear friends elena kipper, producer. e, roman pockets, media manager, podcast, paws of the creative industry. peace be with you, dear friends. good night dear viewers on the first literary podcast. let them not talk, let

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