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this is the finale, die, you won’t sing anything else and you won’t say an impeccable sense of form, dear friends. we were given to her majesty by music in the face and on the coveted and we will not miss the pitchfork project either on the internet or in life. thank you lena elevator, lenochka beauty where are you grooms looking alice romanova alice is the liveliest person in the world? well, the love of my life and on the coveted, dear friends. yes, and god 1,000
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years of beautiful creative life. we need the joy of my life today, but not a word, yes, and thank you very much for your attention. this is an anthropology podcast on first see you soon. all the best. today we will talk about the women of eduard limonov, this podcast is a must-read. i could have been a director, writer, host of this podcast. we have a guest speech musician rapper writer e richard and i are friends. uh, richard is a big expert on limonov, and he's read all the books. he has
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lines in the song. i am like a young limonov and he saw edward in person. and even visited him and it seems to me that richard has uh, some formed opinion about such a topic as women in limonov's work the fact is that limonov is an innovator in prose, that is, he was the first to lead such a genre of autofiction, and in our reality it is when the hero writes in the first person and his name and his name are the same as an author, that is, the name of the hero is also eduard limonov and a whole genre. let's say edward opened the whole plast. it was a new word revolution. yes, when a person turned, let's say , his life, his biography into material for his own literature, and therefore a person who read almost all lemon books. uh, knows his biography very well, simply by the fact that the only reliable source is that da wrote his own
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biography. it was a lemon, so you and i are reading a few novels. we can already say that we know about his personal life. yes, some basic plot conflicts and so on, outstanding, but a swindler, uh, carrer, who is just like you and i read in all his novels and i’ll write a biography like that dude there, well, you don’t you have to write nothing. you just rewrote it and using the language is difficult it is easy to read limonov's books and one thin little booklet, either we or carrera. because limonov is, of course, a typical russian hooligan bad guy, and in that sense. uh, we're just wondering, his women, which uh woman does the bad boys choose? tell me, please, about your first wife anna . i didn’t even want to mention them, because she is a little out of the line of limonov’s friends, because she was not a beauty, but
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interesting women, therefore, yes, she got off. as a result, you can’t say crazy about a woman at all that some beautiful one is not. yes, you are right, i am not. i don't get the impression that she's somehow ugly. well, maybe she's not here anymore than the rest, but, well, she's so jewish. uh, temperamental woman with character, a woman with character. she already, in principle, very much. well, she is charming and beautiful. and in general, speaking like that, lemons are difficult for some here. words to avoid talking about her how to say? her ass, right? well, he needs to invaded to do. well, yes, yes, i was enthusiastic, and i also read i was enthusiastic. why not handsome? look, i'm looking for a role. eh, here anna rubinstein in e.
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limonov's biographies so limonov was a simple saltovka guy - this is the kharkov region, he worked at the factory, serpukhov , yes, yes, that is, this is such a ghetto e where the workers lived, he worked at the factory, but he felt this desire for literature. he wanted to get into some kind of bohemian circle , relatively speaking, so that people around read that there were people. they are a working person. why does he need to break through there, into this social stratum, in which he had no access, because his friends were some the criminals are in the artists of the writers. after all, he began to look for them in kharkov, he , in my opinion, got a job in a bookseller's bookstore or something then, but he somehow got to know each other. that's what i call myself a bookworm. this is a profession recipe book. knife but no one will. this is a dead profession, because no one reads books and a bookseller, respectively, we also don’t need to sit. and that we remember it, that's why they called us, that we are
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the only ones who read something, well, from a lemon, at least. yes, not the most popular author, but i consider him a classic. what do you think 100%. and already in life, right? classic okay, he is probably one of the brightest representatives in our century, he is an innovator in literature, so we, of course, respect him immensely, because let's say it begins with him. e new report. yes , modern prose, therefore, we pay great attention to it. and yes, and it was leading. she was the star of this party. yes, she wasn't. e beauty, there are no consequences, listen, i 'll tell you a story. and you will understand why i even use the word beauty. let us we’ll deal with this right away so that we don’t get distracted later, but there was such a situation, already lemons already lived in paris, he was a famous author and came to the darling, and he went with a lemon. e to the restaurant where natalya
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medvedeva sang. at the lemon one, the story of elena shchapova was already known. yes, a model of a secular beauty. everyone knew, then natalya medvedeva appeared and now yevtushenko with his wife, and he came to this restaurant, where natalya medvedeva sang and a lemon and lemons were sitting next to him, describes this situation, of course, i am from his words i describe, perhaps, and told something else in the stew, but limonov describes what happened with yevtushenko. uh, a very pale nondescript woman, a wife and vtushenko. and in general, she was a very modest gray mouse. here but e yevtushenko caught, of course, this look of lemon, so to speak, on his wife and how i do it this is my interpretation, and he noticed, looking at natalia medvedeva who sang on stage. yes. e brilliant fatal gothic beauty and er, eduard yevtushenko said why do you have all the beautiful wives you have an inferiority complex of lemons answered you by others? i
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i just don't notice, that's why i'm beautiful. we will consider this a role in society. do you agree that elena shchapova was a famous beauty agree that natalya medvedeva was a beauty and then we , after no one, of course, wrote to elena schava. oh god, how could i, with this woman , even suffer something because of her , tear my heart. and even in general, a simpleton is some kind of fat, uninteresting. why did i kill myself like that, so the lemon can’t be trusted at all. in this regard, beauty, not handsome of our viewers, because we are you know all these characters, but not everyone knows. let's put it in order. here is this personal life of a lemon, yes, how it all happened at first in kharkov, he starts dating anna rubinstein, does not marry, then he comes to moscow to make a career, therefore. he meets secular elena shchapova at some party, falls madly in love with her, uh, she leaves her husband for limonov.
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what is a huge victory and this boy from saltovka, yes, who worked at the factory, and now he gets a well-known socialite in his girlfriend. yes to him everything envy. for him. this is important for his ego, his self-realization. and there, for a little over 7 years, in my opinion, yes, for nine years, and here , uh, it's time to upgrade a little. well, we'll talk more about your view on this, but uh, anna ended badly with his cake, she had gaiety, she had madness, that is, she went crazy, but in fact , edward saw him and he came with elena shchapova to kharkov and saw each other, and even before she died, she met elena, still pavel on shchapova, gave him a diamond hole, like a beautiful gesture from one wife to the previous one. she copied it. at lily brik, they were then friends with lily for fun or brux, she promised
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to give elena some kind of cult brooch, but she didn’t give it, then they emigrated to new york, where elena leaves edward because this is a new society of socialization. yes, everything starts from scratch thank you, because we get. e great writer. it would remain. she was with him, he was a poet. not very lucky, but after this elena leaves, he writes his first novel. tell me what's not so good therefore, its language was very peculiar and interesting. we have, uh, such an opinion. yes, lemons are, therefore, worse than lemons, as a writer, but this is generally not true. these are people. uh, so they say, who do not understand poetry. listen, i don’t understand poetry either, but i can tell you that come on, we just have to conditionally understand this, that is, come on, purity of references roman is testicles and goes to exhibitions, that is, relatively speaking, we don’t stay in space at all, what we produce. yes? e art somehow in life
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she chooses what she leaves. yes? that is , it all remains in culture and, uh, and it all remains in poetry, the fact that there were poems of some maring there that were not understandable to the general public. yes, yesenin's poems were understandable, but, as if yesenin had learned from marings. and the same goes for the lemon. right now, four volumes are coming out, limonov's collections of poems, and that's a lot. just to understand how he is, well, a poet of you and therefore, i even have. by the way, about the book that we are now uh, going to talk about. i even testicles, there's autographed improvisation buildings and new verbs. yes, the old edition, i give it to him. with the lava lemon of your meeting. that's all meeting with lemon. this is loudly said, but i crossed three or four times.
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this is the first time when i signed books by such a young man, so dissatisfied, where did you get this edition from? i say sign just sign old buildings. yes, we had. eh, such a funny meeting. i, uh, went to his apartment milievich. and i'm richard . i say richard with such a disgruntled old tone. i say, well, yes, eduardeneevich i make excuses. how do i do everything my life, i say, such a rare name richard, he looks at me like that and says. well, you know, the richards have a very rare gift too, and that's what lemons are all about. i can go to the balcony to smoke a smoke. he says, yes, i will now take out the ashtray from the balcony. leaving the balcony. you don't need to be around here. lemons are very close to me precisely in their aesthetic severity, and he wrote that you should never
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drink water from mugs only from glasses. i do that too. and i also saw lemon crossed several times on literary events when he was alive, but uh, the most notable, probably, was the intersection , when uh rubanov was nominated for the gq award in 2011 writer of the year, and i went i was in an evening dress open and saw eduards there, and i only then got really carried away by his novels, and i went up to him and said that i read mmm 10 of your novels in one month. and he said, some smart girl kissed me on the shoulder. here. i appreciate the memoirs of limonov's figure, and very many people knew him and were friendly and saw him every day. and here he is kissed him on the shoulder. uh, i also had a short dialogue. and we are proud to
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tell you. i will tell this to my children, because it is to touch the classics. yes, look amazing, but he paid dearly for lemons to stay. well, this is my opinion , he paid very dearly for becoming great, because he was forced to answer for every word, that is, he made materials of his own works into his biography. he was forced to answer for his image, and every word he could not unconditionally. just this is a testicle, he great political career. i would just cross it out. wait for me. you see, it means that today with cyril and he sees me because i’ll wake up above my mother in the morning there will be krug sveta’s wife and put pressure on me for cyril how are you not confused in this mess premiere of a multi-part film from monday on first maxikum to remove the temperature children are free, the main thing
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is rich, a musician, the writer is also an enlarger. yes , several books have already been published, yes two and, uh, we say, uh, about lemons, because we are big fans of him. we love him. yes , let's get back to shchapova and in general, this whole story that provoked limonov to something to write a novel how do you feel about her? it's amazing how much limonov's woman is. and somehow, somehow , i never treated them especially. i always well looked at the lemons. that is, to me, in limonov's books, there was not at all an interesting woman. as far as the lemons themselves. well, first of all, he himself was interesting himself, so i always perceived a woman, including elena, as a woman, because of which the poet, as it were, burned out, yes, that is, he ceased to be a poet and became a writer. do you mean that and continue to continue the woman who was able to break. eh, the heart breaks the heart
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of a person, and then the person takes it and somehow tries to collect it. i mean, uh, a woman. in this case, it is a trigger. uh, me too, so i've always been interested. uh, what does lemons feel there? well, she hats, she doesn’t even go somewhere, but she goes somewhere, she goes there, i wonder what’s going on with this, and the testicle is dying, he doesn’t understand how beautiful he is talented with these thin fingers. why would they explain the reason for this conflict. the fact is that a person does not see himself objectively, i can quite imagine myself on the spot or on the spot. here she was a famous moscow socialite, a beauty. they had their first and in moscow she had a rich husband, and she was used to dressing cool. and so she comes to new york and finds herself in the society they live, yes, in some poor apartment there is never any money lemons to work in
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some russian immigrant newspaper. yes , i get some money. and elena is beautiful. she comes to any secular get-together, and there are compliments in the distance explain, well, this, but he was for that day , yes, and which, maybe, then how to shoot. well, the back was not enough , mercedes or something, she understood in moscow that this was a man who just sews, well , trousers, what kind of mercedes yes, she also wrote poetry, by the way, all women and lemons. e, were creative units, e was therefore, and her elements came out. that is, she was a creative person. not just a beauty. we will also note this separately. and they had a lot in common, as the poets did not. just a guy who sews trousers. it may be a very talented, gifted young poet in love with her. she lacked beauty, the brilliance of money. uh, she lacked recognition for her accomplishments. she lacked her place, uh, in
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the social hierarchy that she considered. she a can claim it. she became, uh, modeling and dating photographers. yes go to parties. in general, they split up a little simple existence did not part to take a good picture with those who could take a good picture of her? well, why not, and uh, i just wanted to separately note that already er, when lemon became a famous writer. we are talking about the stage when this did not happen yet, and he was not yet famous, but already when the novel of this ethics came out, edward became famous, elena also became famous with her. naturally, many times. she was already a countess for her roots , lived in italy and she married, then a count of italy. so uh, limonov said he was so aristocratic that he even warned in advance about the time of his phone call. what kind of ending? like yes, the count died, and elena lives with her daughter in her beautiful an estate in a castle in italy nobody
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needs lena's book, of course, nobody needs it. but whenever she was approached, yes, with some kind of interviews and so on, they always ask about limonov and i read these interviews. and i have repeatedly noticed that elena is very annoyed by these questions. that is, she did not consider him a genius, she did not understand at all. why he became famous, but from a series like courtney love also spoke. i never would have thought that my husband kurt male would be famous, moreover, she forbade the interior to ask uh about her husband. well, elena perhaps, in general, who will need it. you see , richard is some kind of you. you don’t like some kind of look with us. still, you don’t love her, so the story is absolutely all the same to her. natalya medvedeva, he meets her when he is already moving to paris, his most beloved wife, as he would say. he came to paris, where they handed over his book, uh, to finally live , that is, in america he hung around on some kind of give-job,
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what is called yes, he worked somehow, then as a builder, then if he had a roman the story of the service where he works with the meadow in the house at billionaire. uh, he had some. there were women, by the way, yes, they are not customary to say, but she didn’t have a wife to mention separately to the fact that you caught me on what i separately evaluate, beauty. here is the story with this jay - her jane was called jamie in general, this is a girl there, so he directly said that well, closing his eyes , he works and said that he lacked the status of this woman. it was e full and how he wrote peyzan. that is, she was of a peasant type, and he was ashamed to talk to her, i came to the store and see in mirror as reflected. this is her girlfriend's burning sensation, and i thought, god, this isn't from my woman movie. i, uh, it's me. i'm from an underground movie. here i stand, and these are generally from some other movie, that is, he he suffered. he suffered from the fact that this is a simpleton, but she
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arranged for him as a servant in general , she was engaged in him, apparently madly in love. in general, he helped him a lot in life. yes, a wonderful girl, but she fed him such as he was not interested in such. well, it doesn't matter, let 's get back to natalya medvedeva, and lemons become famous about him being published in paris in french and he moves to paris to start a new life and live on literary income. how to write no way yes , a loser, moonlighting as a waiter. and as u already, uh, a man who took place, uh, he also admitted that he was drawn to elena , who married a count and moved to europe and from america he wanted to move to europe closer to elena. they continued to meet for some time, but she came to him from italy but then, of course, it all turned into money issues again, because the life of a writer is far from sugar. he was looking for some rotten ones. vegetables in the trash yes, from time to time elena was not ready for this. he said that she came to him with suitcases from italy a in huge hats.
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she loved hats, uh, and in his apartment, which he rented in paris, shit was coming out of the sewer from this hole. and periodically, because of the french sewer system, and elena, of course, could not bear this big problems, i think, edward realized that he didn’t need such secular beauties, and uh, let’s say this with such claims as elena's and it seems to me that natasha medvedeva is, of course, a simpler st. petersburg girl. yes, you think, this is how it happens, i don’t need such a status of a woman, i’ll take myself, uh , a lower status, i think it’s not so pretty, that’s not the point. the fact is that natasha was a simple girl. she was, well, such a free spirit, but she was her own. well, he didn’t have to, like elena, constantly prove something to her. let's just say that in relations with natalia, it seems to me, he was on an
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equal footing. or maybe even a little paternal positions, because e natalya was a singer. she moved to him from new york, by the way, the victims, too, probably, with their own career connections. she moved to him in paris and began to perform at the rasputin restaurant to sing. there she had a night job, but the sad story is that e natalia had a serious problem with alcohol. by the way, i recently watched her interview in sharks, and there was an interview. yes, yes, she stood there and left finished her pants, offended, she gets up and leaves, everyone attacked her. and here is edouard but then, she says, edward is a figurative very talented person, and therefore there is no need to drive him here and so on. still, there were equal relations. even some kind of competition, she periodically wrote to him there in his stories, he said that i am more than you or well, in general, she had and i know, by the way, that he wrote poems for her songs, and she mentioned his song in her songs
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1993 lemons, and what’s more, she also has books, unlike the interesting two books, by the way, the gift is forced to write, he forced her sit down at the table to uh mom zhulka love. come on, i wanted to talk about medvedev's role in the life of a lemon, i think, uh, it was such an important stage for him, he also dedicated the novel "adopting a tiger in paris" and how it happened. at first they met for several years, then at some point he got tired and did not part. she left him in paris. they seem to have survived the gap, but at the same time periodically converged there, but diverged. well, it seems to me, this is, uh, the story about the simplification of the tigers of paris, it is completely based on the fact that it is on the waist, probably wanted an important place in his life. how much he had a novel about elena, he became famous for him and she must have been offended that you write. no, i don't think she would,
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and natalia seems to me to have been a more difficult person. she would not say, write me a romantic, but i think, yes, i think that limonov understood that this was the only way to get her back, because at some point they parted ways and he had to do some act to do some something action to get this woman back and he wrote this taming these games in paris and even ekaterina volkova said in some interview that when she met edward, you will meet him, his wife. she talked about the fact that she read taming the tiger in paris and really wanted someone to write about her so directly aha interesting. yes, i just actually called you a speech, because i wanted to talk to you, so to speak, in choosing this type of woman and choosing a general life strategy, because he is like a hero, like a person of a heroic warehouse and like a person who, uh, described my life. he, uh, i think he chose such women. uh, complex, but bad girls , uh, girls with problems, bright beautiful
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, uh, crazy, and yes, he has one, yes, he has a storybook girl beast, and he chose these women. this was the consequence. this is his life choice, that he follows the path of a hero. it seems to me that this heroic warehouse of edward was expressed in this, that is, something that you don’t like. yes, i have a woman, he had a lot of them. no, everything is cute to me, no matter how cute you are and you have formed a critical attitude to apply to yourself i can, because not nerves for one barely have enough nerves and love. and how would a person when he can love 20 and be torn. well, no, listen, it was still a monogamous relationship, which he, relatively speaking, went through different stages of life. it was not such that 20 women at the same time should not be misled. there were five, but you know better, it doesn't matter. i want to dwell
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on the women who still remained in his prose. it seems to me that natalya medvedeva was such a symbol of death, and he himself described that she was his desire for destruction. she was very problematic and even in the novel the foreigner time of troubles, where he writes how he comes to moscow on a business trip and half of this novel. he describes how he runs around calling, looking for medvedev on some phone, who went on a spree and edwards is looking for her a little more interesting than, uh, than politics. but to me yes, i do not argue. me. well, i'm not even trying to pretend. the topic of women is very important to me. i like these women. i like his choices, they don't like the way he is in general, it served everything. although on the other hand. here, for example, in cheeses. this is a novel where he describes his relationship with ekaterina volkova quite briefly. nevertheless, he separately describes what he did not want to write. e about the mother of his children, that is, why he didn’t write a novel to ekaterina volkova , he didn’t want the children to read, he
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dedicated both mother and children, and in general he was actually strict. so here it is in the nobility of lemon we won’t be here like uh, it mentioned that he did not describe the collection poems boy, run runs and so on. well, listen, he was very tough. we all know that he is in power, yes, which we put and says that the children are too unusual, uh, ordinary. maybe someday you will understand me? but not a fact, why do you think that lemons, but it has become relevant now, why did he begin to appear? e in the information media space? well, besides the fact that we all understand, you and i understand that he deserves it. why did this happen all of a sudden, but it didn’t happen before, because, firstly, turned out to be true. well, there are no more of us such bright and interesting and quarrelsome people. i turn to no, yes, uh, and
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the prophets. no, yes, maybe i exaggerate it. yes, but nevertheless, how he foresaw all this, how much he guessed. and in general, what will formulate. he just saw let's say. so, he had a large-scale thinking, because what he had been formulating for years was formulating, and here we have some moment once and everything is like that. and so, how, how are we going to live what used to seem savagery? yes, some crazy old man. he writes, now everything has come true. unlike many people in our culture, he really knew europe well . he lived a difficult, difficult life. he knows how the lower classes live in america. he knows how social nezas live in europe, yes, that is, he is informed. they don’t want to, and even their problems were very subtly felt, and until the end of his life they sent him a huge amount of materials and media. he translated scientific articles. he
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was constantly doing this. that is, he knew how france lives simply. well, for sure, he i got up every morning and read a huge amount of materials about europe in the original language. yes, it suddenly appeared. yes, the fact that all these manifestos that he writes, uh, which we could not read there without tears , it turned out that there is such a thing. yes, it's all true. and of course, in terms of literature. yes , she is still there again, you can allow yourself some kind of rudeness. well literature. shredded, or something, modern literature, it is not so interesting for a writer to outline. i threw everything into the library there e lolita on the side. and everything else is uninteresting about women. i want you uh my uh thought. e to express let's put it this way, but choosing
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a lemon. here, look at him. there was this story with natalya medvedeva, then in moscow they already dispersed. she leaves. e to the musician hog from the group of metal corrosions goes nowhere. it may go away to continue its self-destruction. yes, because the lemons kept pulling it out. yes, he was involved in ensuring that she was in good shape, but she, so to speak, e overcomes this resistance. leaves. eh, but limonov mentioned that medvedev, of course, was not such a tragic loss for him as elena was now, because he wrote that i detonated all the women together with elena, that is, once, having passed, this gap he already conditionally speaking , i trusted women less, because you are exhausting. he's still here for a while. uh, well, that's not a squeamish attitude. well , once she disappointed, she disappointed the question, like a woman, and natalya medvedeva, he regretted her to the end, he respected her very much, yes, and for him it was still a tragedy
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of a deeper already adult sense, because here he is always in an interview and meeting you. he says, well, why is it so natasha, well, that's why he said, he called her his beloved woman, that is, with whom, if not for this quick spontaneous combustion, he could somehow agree longer time of troubles. he wrote that everyone, that is, he pulled out these holes each of us needed. wouldn't be a man, you know, like with dimensional talents somehow. they were worthy of each other. that's because it's not bright. yes, natalya still wrote several songs, they are still with us yes, at the station , well, she got bored, yes, lena but she, well , then he himself understood, well, there is some surface of her, but at the end of life, that is , closer to the age of 60, he meets ekaterinbuka and for the first
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time he has children. so this is the first woman. this is a great woman in life. she bore him two children. until then, children. they were not beautiful talented bright, but in cheeses he writes about disappointment. that is, e it still didn't work out the story. they parted anyway, and he writes. how could i fall for this dream. about the family, after all, it 's me, that is, he understood that he was a tragic hero. and that happiness in his life will not be even with a woman. i don't know if his women were happy with him lies in the absence. this is happiness in the absence, happiness and the corresponding choice of a woman. do you understand him? here is his life choice such girls are completely. here i will say okay, er, because. here i am such a guy from the provinces, and then i lived in butovo there served in the army. i will. well, he was so conservative, so he was, well, a simple guy. yes, i read some russian
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classical literature there, but that’s all, here’s henry miller that’s all, i came to this all much later, and my friend advised me to read to her and read halfway, because it’s such a horror in general i will not read. well, you just understand that destroys everything that is too healthy, as it were, upbringing. so i say, what did you advise me in general? he tells the boy to finish reading to the end, i think, well, okay, and there at the end go all here i didn't like what i read and when. until the end, i kind of forgave him everything, in general, and seemed to understand. i think, well, then, so natalya medvedeva lemons day. i'm not, so i'm what, and they, i don't know , maybe there is still a certain sense in this that you choose a difficult woman , choose a difficult path, choosing. uh, let's say a comfortable woman. you choose another path in your life you did not choose and also chose. uh, a very
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complex and deep woman, but i, uh, to study all these depths to the end, i will need a whole life. and here is the novel limonov who you can be, a big fan will say. and now, for some reason, she also never took a steam bath due to the fact that he destroyed so much life and judges and himself lit up the death of his woman. we will not be about fate. let's talk about what remains . in culture. yes, we are sure that several of his novels are all completely in lemonade , moreover, that he a was such a leader. yes, there will be affection, there will be affectionate lies, the leader is such a hero. on the other hand, he is an absolute dome. and this and this he somehow combined in a very strange way. he sometimes fell in love with women, the farm boy,
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it’s in you that boy who was indignant the first time when he read ievich here, of course, and he wants to have a little right? well, yes. he wants to pity me. well, look. i have some kind of thin fingers, a strong man who gave a woman the freedom to do what she wants a man, and he is a very strong man, and he is an incredibly weak man because of this, because of this there are such outbursts, but i generally have this topic very close. no, it hits you too, and yes to me i think we had a very good talk, but we will end here. let's say goodbye to some kind of knitting and lenin falls in fog on the handles of all cabins, over the ocean and the river. manly marx for water control and fastening and black nietzsche from the basement crab and fat buddha
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