i remembered with a carrot, this is a podcast of the psyche. and how are you? you see, we are practically doing surgery here, well, only psychological with a clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhail well, i am a journalist, natalya loseva, i help both him and our heroes as best i can. here is now polina who does not want a sinful stick. i believe she won't. thanks a lot deeply. yes? i really don’t accept myself again, only here from one extreme to another. you see, this is what the king of football turns out to be, we are talking about a saw and at the same time in the soviet union in russia did not really see it and do not know it, because it turns out to be

a big myth. alexandrovich no myths no , the point is that television came to world football by and large, only in the sixty-sixth year did the world cup begin to show the fifty-fourth year. there nine matches were in the fifty-eighth year in the swedish championship, too, somewhere on whose 10-12 not more than sixty-second year chile after the earthquake. yes, they showed via satellite to western europe, there is also a certain number of games. not all not all 32, but for the first time the world championship of the sixty-sixth year. it was broadcast in the soviet union for the first time almost in full. well , out of those thirty-two matches. well, how many are there, well, match four, only central television did not show the first second program. basically, everything was according to the first program, and several matches were going on according to the second. what pele saw, of course, we saw in the sixty-

fifth year, when he arrived on july 4 at luzhniki, they played 3-0 and once again saw on tv, when on november 21 they played in rio on the marrakane 2:2. well, you see, look, that is, twice paul imagined at once the cult of pele you are born, you already know that in short there was asia there was even the first world cup when brazil won there was no television, only radio people didn’t watch i don’t know in a week or two weeks would have been shown in some kind of movie, too, people did not watch. i think it's a lot now. yes, my age. i never i never saw, i didn't watch the match. i am 35 years old. yes, that's why i never saw the saw play. i just saw. i've seen videos and all that, and people who are now yes, my age and so on are a lot of sports journalists. well done, never seen this amazing. only the brazilian sports journalist alexander yelagin, a colleague commentator, and we will just

talk about the saw today and about what it is a myth or really the king of football. you yourself say that there are radio reports on tv. would have seen twice, but at the same time everyone imagines, what is better than him in football. nobody played. why did it happen, first sixty-sixth year the match with bulgaria was shown by a and the match with portugal. he played because the fiola didn't put him against the hungarians, and they lost one three to the hungarians. it was a fantastic game, one of the best in general in the history of the world cup where the adder shone. well, the type was not immediately completely different football. and that's absolutely. well, how how how how so far. uh, they say, well, what i read in the brazilian press, for example, yes, that’s the very thing, the famous newspaper folla foller, they write that my friends santos this is an ordinary team without drinking, like there would be a tagoga without a hot one. yes, there was a hound. if taga had fought back, pele had left and there was no santos. although

only sainte should have won the brazilian championship after years, only when it was from durbinio and that's it. this is true, when pele came in the fifty-sixth year, when he was brought to voldemar de razor, yes, he is a city of boron. he was already a museum champion. that's the truth of the championship. there was none like that at the time. there is no need to forget here. it was like a goblet. i can tell how the national championship went honestly at that time in brazil most important, and the championship father of paul. it was the highest level, the best, that better people watched the brazilian championship . and this time is so important, i can tell you that like 93-94-95, then people were already more interesting in the brazilian championship. before that , there was some kind of regional inter-metal tournament, there and so on, and it immediately broke out at the age of 17. the national team, well, even, maybe , he went before the national team, the world cup got into

the national team, he got into the national team at an incomplete 17. he was 16 years old, he was also born on october 23. that is, this is a historical date in the history of english football. it is the founding of the english football association. yes, he was born on october 23 , 1940, and for the first time he played for the national team and brazil against argentina, it was the so-called cup, rock. yes, that's where argentina and brazil yes yes yes yes yes yes he made his debut, by the way, he made his debut on the maracana. about the summer in july of the fifty-sixth fifty-seventh year, at the age of 16, he was not yet 17, of course. he scored. brazil lost. he came on as a substitute under 13 fave number. what was known about his childhood? here, well, again, there are some textbook stories, yes, about how he grew there, how he listened on the radio and dreamed of playing

poacher to go out to dad too, when there is a very famous story when brazil lost the final by cutting down, yes, in fiftieth year. yes , ah, dad saw a lot, cried, was very upset and very sad. a. if anything, they drank , promised dad. and that i will win one world championship. it's in the movies too. i'll just give you. speak i promise you. and that's all promised. they say one world championship. and therefore, if well, you also need to understand when they don’t tell me some kind of clever myth from what happens, it was a different time. they were neighbors. uh, there was no internet at all, and there was no radio, even television, in my childhood. ah, what i knew about the saw, here we go out into the yard, we are 6-7 years old there. and we have such a history. here was a saw that could beat the ball a thousand times. and this is what killed everyone. it seemed that this is

the real greatness a person fills a thousand times on the foot. eh, here. uh, something like that. hmm , you can feel something like that from your childhood. that's when you grew up in brazil and the ticket, when you heard what it is, when that's all who dreams of playing football in brazil everyone dreams of. yes boys are all when in school and then and what do you want to be football players football players and always been a saw. and now, maybe a little me this one, because this is a new generation. they don't know well who nags says more alimar, but my time is all. i think this is from the team brazil team brazil and washed down with scentus. this is the number. the tenth is also important because it is the number ten, then everything changed now. and who? probably in virginia in france everything is the most important player and always, but the tenth number. and here is how pele was perceived then

. that time there were many outstanding soviet football players and fillets. against this background, he was like who, how is it, is this ours? opeleya is clear. is this pele or not? or are we playing new? yashina yes, valentina ivanovna, in streltsovo. well, it's a little later, because, well, i don’t remember, for sure, maybe they played in the fifties, but i was still a little uh-oh, i was born, and i was still eleven years old in the sixty-fourth, you know? and in the yard we played just here in ivanovo in yasha as much as possible. and they played saw. we didn't see him that night word of mouth. we knew the boys of my generation knew three foreign footballers. this is pele gorincha and the vulture vulture was the personification of english football pele and the hounds - they were brazilians. now i understand why i, uh, when i began to cooperate with the public

prescent dynamo uh-huh in those distant eighties at the beginning, at the end of the seventies, just word of mouth was transmitted, now i understand where it came from. and lev ivanovich filatov from martin ivanovich merzhanov, who were correspondents at the 1958 world championships. you saw and who saw him live, but those who played, because dynamo played. uh-huh viktor grigorievich tsarev was direct and pele pinned the first match of the world championship veil, because pele and the hound made their debut at the world championship. how against e soviet union third match? yes, yes , it was just the last third match played. we beat the austrians 2:0 in a draw with the english 2:2 and then lost 0:2. and tsarev remembered. i interviewed him, it was amazing kesarev vladimir petrovich, they explained phenomenally, and how they recalled the ticket, as

viktor grigoryevich said, when we went out on the field we saw these guys who say such things, cabinets, healthy little teeth trembled and i see it against me some boy. here he is as small as vladimir petrovich kesare says, well, he still spoke like that, such a very interesting, he had a manner. well, he says or was a boy. yes, the head is a little bald, the pumpkin head is amazing. i say victor says, and here is ma. as he speaks against me, well, then i was delighted against him, i will play, but here and what do you think and says, the goalkeeper takes the ball out of the penalty area, but i - he says, i'm already getting ready. i'm taking the ball now. and i say, he played well in the main one, he has a height of 176 cm. here was the king . pele had offhand 173 for a second. yes i

i say, excellent, i play with my head, i see the ball is coming towards me. this is the ball coming towards me. now i would already be sacrificing my eyes back and forth, to whom to throw off and suddenly, he says, i see, that's how he shows his hand and only i see black. the head says, so it goes up up up, opa says it takes off. hehe, and then i thought, if you were a free kick, and that would be a goal. and then he spoke amazingly. well, he says, then says the boy was 17 years old, maybe a gap. or maybe i interfered with him, send a myth, and then something, then a goal in quarter-finals to wales, the decisive trix of france in the final two goals by the swede. uh-huh and the boys 17 years old 17 years old 200 there are some 43 days, who scored the time, because now you can not see each other. that is, there are a lot of young players who play often for well, at this time there are not so many,

so everything goes and he is the only young player of years left, which is good, what happens, because look 58. he will win 17 years. yes, again, in modern conditions. we know the name of the football player. yes, he won further than i see, he is either in barcelona or there in chelsea liverpool, and then he disappears from like for 4 years nobody knows what's going on. well , we don't know yet. at least well, it's like in brazil some journalist read it and said, for example, backenbauer or blood, people didn't know what radiated between the world championships, because it's not like now, then you can turn off the tv, and all the championships don't give give, and take the newspaper to read, in the end. you don’t know what, but i don’t think they saw it here in russia or in europe, but a ticket, because the brazil championship was not some kubakah cup of brazil championship one simple thing, it means that we get out of not seen, read, but not seen.

naturally. but what, it means that they didn’t see the fan’s imagination, it’s crazy , just amazing. we knew that there is a god pele there is a racer with shaky legs bubukin talked about this, those who were in the fifty-eighth year, who in the sixty-second year told about this? wow, i've seen it all. they retold all this later, but you forget one simple thing, that we had fantastic ones. journalists are amazing which in a short note like leo tolstoy, i don’t know how mikhail bulgakov they described grandiosely, how to read it in a few sentences and see something else, i understand what it’s about, for example, today you can watch messi’s match every day and beat the ticket, a the first athlete who is not on the field, but everything is behind the field, like a martin. he sold. uh, now he was selling coffee. yes? coffee is already a little later it was later. but, if you

think, i think this is some first star in the world who did this, which is player on the field. he is a signer of contracts, so i don't know, but somewhere popular, like it's a brand of coffee, pancakes, shoes, and so on. i think the first one, which is the case, therefore, is also a unique player not only on the field, but also behind him. well please take mi saying players such great football players as blood? how silence gun said? literally he said that i can imagine myself as a distefan. i may be destafana but never pelen who won three or four cups with dis stefan in madrid real madrid. he said di stefano is

the consummate star guest stefano is something like the greatest pele pele beyond classification. and let's still try an interesting story, because the best scorers from toycentus are, and the second one says. i'm a better scorer. well, that's another story. and how, by the way, did this nickname come from where the saw came from, and before there was petrol , gasoline played, and he played, he was born in cod, i will pickle him in the baur. this is the city , uh, the state of sao paulo, came to the center, and after them, which but before that, when i started playing even in sentos. it was gasoline gasoline in portuguese, well drank, which means pele has tribute money. this is his father, he was, uh, a striker in the team you kursan. lorenz was such a goalkeeper billy uh-huh billy billy, and when

he brought pele to training, he, therefore, shouted to him bey and dandin shouted to his son. billy bay billy bay you know how he is, well, maybe not very well, got it? he shouted or drank pilik catch and he kind of mimics him, the goalkeeper kid. you'll be pele well it's better that pv because they drank in portuguese in russian in english wednesday gasoline, it is portugal i don't know to other countries how good at first i didn't take it categorically. at first he wanted to be called yes, he wanted to, and this is a dream, you know what kind of face edison has in his metric in his passport for netson arant. posted edison was named in thomas why because at that time

in the city the light was just given at the moment when they had electricity when he was born, and then my father thought edison thomas was only a nickname for me after him. it used to be that they always hit like that even from the center, when died all died. these, because sawing died , let it be beautiful. let's try anyway. uh, to talk a little about how he played football, because we understand what missions he does on the field, how he plays , ties the ball to his left a little he went and we know everything and we see what cristiano is now in world football pele here let 's talk about how that made him great at that time a very strong player, because he even remembers, when the first one played there weren't even different cards and a yellow card, but there is

matches brazil-portugal, the world championship, that they do it for the first time. if now it was five or six yellow cards, i, i think they don't. yes, they just braziled, scolding too, but i doubt that here they also sawed and beaten someone. yes, that's why i drank. well, look, it was today. i think it would be five now, here 's a map of what they did, exactly me to do the mixture and not to do. anyway, now it is not there at all, because the card is there. well it's two people watch it brazil portugal u- killed and should succeed, so polly he even said that more to play in the world cup, yes, yes, yes in mexico to watch in 2010 what can't knead, and what can't, christian yes, he played in goal. do you know he was a gate? yes, he was a goalkeeper, he played in goal three times in the semi-finals. they met with thunders. this is a legendary game legendary,

when they won in the semi-finals. eh, this is the 12th time. yes, yes, in gremia. they were three one santos when they arrived, and santo for a small town, and from santos to sumpal there is under 50%, eighty kilometers. but it's like this direct there is even less, yes to the father before but they played islam naturally they played pkmba. they played. yes, of course, in this huge stadium, santos is on fire one three. time there very good players were very strong teams in all my memories, you know, and with the score you don't. dad's hat-trick scores, too, they win four or three, but 5 minutes before the end of this match, gilmar , fire-mar played for santos, gilmara is removed from the gate, pele gets up, pellet did, makes two saves. he pulls out two balls from the bottom

angle. but as tikhonov remembers, of course, yes, and he drags the ball from the top nine or here you are, and the most fantastic match, where they played at the gate. it's already a trick, coach, when well november 19 you have, uh, flag day. yes brazil flag. and just on november 19 , the ticket scores its thousandth year, but it was just that russian journalists were just like that there. and countdown, you know how many left there 998 999 or naturally wanted the saw to score thousands of years. yes, of course, nowhere before, brazil essentos played against combat vs. baye quite right vs. fighter very interesting because he almost scored a goal for shinki saved and the fans started to offend his defenders because they

wanted the prere to score thousands of goals against he had 999. yes, the defender cleared the ball from the line. yes, this is history. and why did he score a penalty against you on the maracana, bro, argentinean, the goalkeeper is dissatisfied, he can’t watch when he was simply crazy crying. well, footage. well, these frames are everywhere. yes, yes, yes and then, watch another such moment of growth again his ark. yes, let's ask how he jumped. there is a photo that just shocked me he is playing against a friendly game, whether against ireland or somewhere else they are somewhere in europe on the tour of the brazilian national team the goalkeeper is jumping he is six inches two inches tall. yes, that's somewhere around 189 cm, bro. it means that he extends his arm and breaks away from the lawn

by 20 centimeters. uh-huh is chasing the ball. well, imagine, it means how much it is plus, probably, 40 centimeters more. yes, probably, how many half a meter is pele's hand jumps 173 cm. he plays this ball with his head. i wouldn't have believed it if i hadn't seen it, he scored 18 headers with his header. yeah , yeah, it's all there, the speed is strong, a powerful player. a good blow to the head now and everything in the modern mind of pele always goes in conjunction with the young. here's how it came about. do you remember, well, this very interesting attitude saw maradona at some point when they didn't even talk, but at the beginning, rather the magazine eugraphqa. wanted to meet maradona and pelebe hovergentina nice very

good this value is in e. in the beginning between them between them, and then i don't know that maradona had a lot of problems. not the best state a lot of bad things said, but opelle, they are bigger. yes, they did not communicate in the press, as rivals. yes maradona even if they didn't play against each other uh huh well in the beginning of maradona good relations there was some point when maradona was saying very bad things even on the internet. that's it, that was also the argentine press wrote maradona better than drinking maradona better than drinking fans in brazil against ma-maradona fans from argentina against pele, but the relationship deteriorated a little, but there was a very famous moment, which now these videos are everywhere , when maradona invited pele there was a transfer , there was a night of affairs, yes, night 10 in argentina

that maradona beat, the presenter he invited they i talked 30 -40 minutes, then played. ah, a little bit of football, and i think after that the relationship has already become good, yes, then they met in europe, the draw was washed, the last meeting. maradonas were here in russia maradona european championship draw kisses. look, the maradol did not hit, which means that the brother of the world in the seventy-eighth year, the minute he sat down at the last moment, he was. also, in general, almost 17 years old, very young , he could enter the dream of the great, but in the seventy -ninth minute he leads the youth team of argentina minote was already a champion in 70 , yes, there were others. there were other heroes in seventy-eight. mario campress was there. there was leopold luke, you know

, the seventy-ninth at the molodezhka, the argentine national team plays in japan against the soviet union win 3:1, but i'm not talking about that what number was? maradona has tenth? yes, the tenth is all here. there are no questions. what number to give the tenth? because it's a number or it's a quality mark. so maradona willy-nilly admitted that this is the number of god how was the fate of pele after he ended his career, because he did not become a great coach, although it seemed, well, it could be like that. yes, he became a politician. yes, he was the minister of sports in brazil when president fernand and ricky cardoso. there is a very important moment when he was the minister of sports there is in such a law pele and it's a compliment that's changed ruin everything. in brazil they make the sport more professional as well. this is a very important moment

has changed how the market players inside. how much should i pay how much should i not pay, and they usually changed, and the laws make the sport more professional. but then they say that pele a as a politician, yes, this is the most important moment when the law appears, or he never wanted to become a coach. oh, not a very interesting moment, also in the ninety-fourth year, he works as a commentator on the most famous tv channel in brazil and fina brazil in the game is foam, and there is a very leading very famous warriors. uh, they shout petra, this means four times the world cup, and there it also saws it with a saw, so also at some point, uh, a commentator, but a businessman with football. you don't want to get tired of being a trainer. uh-huh why the character is not the same, because , probably, why does not work.

he had pele, he probably worked for pele, yes, then you wouldn’t have anything to do here, not every player. maybe he is an article by his nature. and how can i say, i can say what i think. probably now it’s more, but they didn’t respect the ticket, just as they didn’t like it in brazil - it’s definitely not like pele in brazil like the argentines love maradona even bill very astral and very sad and very offensive moment fringe pele not a single world champion in 2002 bill is there and toja maru silva 94th was very disappointing a lot of criticism in brazil because the journalists say something you play for their national team, which has five brazilian national team so famous teams. the most famous most popular teams in the world and washed down and you go there

didn't go it was very disappointing. i don't know why, but in argentina they love maradona very much because brazil doesn't. so. that's just who said, here. you can see the grushinsky festival with my mother, the bard song one really was when i was in rio de janeiro. i saw everywhere aerosenon everywhere just yes opelea i need to look for the thickness of the big one, and the gong formula 1 and the stage died during the race, so without a superhero, and lu- people have never had such an image that pele superhero superhero superhero, probably now how he died, and always will be they say that opel should be made here exactly pele street and it is generally in the countries. i think they didn't like this country that much. i don’t know why, but, in my opinion, they wanted it in brazil mi mi

. how can i say this, not a respected person in life, when he died, all of you are downright. well, yes, no. i think differently i think differently. well then, i'll explain. so i 'll tell you in argentina in argentina, almost all football is concentrated in the battle on the site, but all the teams here are all the great teams they will show rasim, guys. they are all lethal old age, either either or in a suburb in brazil in any state. there are stars. pele is sao paulo, and that is not sao paulo. forgive me, because sampaulu has its own football club pavlov himself but where is jal masantus from, for example, i have a strange thing that all over the world they respected very much , in my opinion, people loved more dear lit and already jenner is batal in

brazil but this for me is very strange. now they say pele is more respectful. well, this is strange. i think in brazil we are not so loved , not so respected this man, when in life. pele's departure for brazil , what it was, it was national mourning - it was very very 4 days, in my opinion, yes, three three three days there were three in the country, and the city centus of the week, but logical. yes, people were shocked, but i think they, as they were not told before, were shocked because of the son's airtitis when artyom's son died. yes, during the san marino race, it was a holiday on may 1st, i am a national holiday, and in brazil everyone from watching the formulas are very popular. in brazil, he was e somewhere 40 years old iphones, high level the best

moment in life died azalea tragedy yes, it was not visible, everyone was crying, even i remember i was crying. i remember everything i did. it wasn't me crying. i was gone for 7 years. uh-huh. i can't say it's mourning. it's sad, but it's not a tragedy. everything is ready. this is possible. yes? yes, because the people were ready. i can say so, yes, works a lot of time editing in brazil when their son died there, nothing was ready. everything has to be done quickly. it's gases and write everything, and already sang. yes, therefore it is mourning. it's all so sad, but i can't say it's a tragedy. you do not

you forget that he caused a very big offense to the brazilian fan. what's the matter? yes, the whole point is that he refused to play at the world championship for 74 years, if he was real, yes , he played, he played his last match, as i said in the seventy-first year and tied up with the national team, he continues to himself and at 75 moved, and he went into space with a scandal. well, he really needed to earn. there, as it were, already to somehow provide for himself and his relatives for many, many years, especially since he is in america offered fabulous for those times. but the sample was lost in the seventy-fourth year. they didn't even take bronze. the poles, they were beaten in a throw match. yes, in germany and the brazilians were approaching to burn out. what the fuck didn't you play. if you played, we would become champions and indeed. did you know that pili wanted to return to the national team in 802 , in 82 he offered santana's body. himself, well,

how old was he 42 years old, yes, the fortieth year. no, to play in the place of the central defender, oddly enough. uh huh, but this one story that he didn't want to play uh, in germany it was a time of war dictatorship in brazil. he's already said enough. i don't want anything you've come there others there, yes, there's no. there was another one, there was only potatoes, or something came, uh, another one, and they persuaded him. he was very strongly persuaded to play in the seventy-fourth year. it was no longer. the dictator was already different. uh. this is what he said. yes, the search is still going on. if anything, a ticket, yes, and each generation gives a new player. right now says. actually, and as, probably, the marker of this player was drunk close to him. this is a dozen of us 50, of course, definitely an attacker. i

did it, but i didn't do anything like i moved. well, really. well, such as or, like maradona, is this a single instance? that is, in general, uh, such. well, pele is generally standing somewhere there, that’s where he is, well, yes, above all of them there are apeleks, by the way, pele, after all, he said about himself that he was not a striker pele said, i’m an attacking midfielder. he liked to play a little behind him did not play at austria da roma aromario when the president of the world cup 11 number yes, and the tenth number this year was one player who could not at all of course. yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that’s what it is, yes, yes, because there was no don neymar in the brazilian national team , dozens can say in france my wife

was ten. they didn't drink it. although very good very good certainly. but it is the most important number in brazilian football. you know , it struck me not so long ago i saw such a compilation of his actions on the field, and in comparison with modern players, you look what messi does to cristiano papa. uh, a little earlier. again, they remembered it with incredible feints. he did it all. that's all the fifties did, that everything is done. yes , such a stunner is very interesting, yes, which they did not drink in quality, and then