to you uh and uh in the house and you have your own center. and you have your own, uh, independent opinion. so you worry about the bell tower, otherwise you will get the impression that i have a split personality structure. you are just aware of the possibilities er, look from different points of view, integrate them in an introspective way. thanks for the compliment. now tell me, are you worried or not? i'm worried, of course, but it's anxiety. i had before the special military operation. it only intensified at the moment of its beginning and continues to remain and it seems strange to me, there were people, especially experts, who would not worry about anything. well, let's start with victoria . well, you talked about her recent past. her recent past is that in her student years she studied russian for a whole season, it was probably a lot of grass. and she has such a trauma of that period, she was alleged. i locked myself in

the cabin and laid it with a chair in order to fight off those sailors who, of course, were in the conditions of a multi-day trawl swimming. they tried to get to know her better, maybe her problems. uh, with russia started that's when, as far as tanks are concerned. we are now involved for several days, even weeks such a game related to the dismantling of tanks such lego dismantle the tank abrams- leopard components. find out which one is better, which one is worse. in fact, these tanks remain, and the promises of these tanks remain until they appear as a weapon of psychological warfare, that is, the very discussion of the possibility of their delivery of the announcement that they will be delivered. in fact, you must first inspire confidence. and apparently, it is required for those who are fighting there in ukraine with the russian armed forces in that they will be helped, that they must hold out with their last strength, and

lately they have not been very successful at it. ukrainian troops are retreating in several directions from the other side. they should, of course, scare us with their determination to supply weapons to ukraine , whether these tanks are good or bad. this, of course, will only become clear in practice. i do not support those who are trying to discount today, this is a danger. or, on the contrary, it exaggerates. it is obvious to us that we must double our efforts, we must triple our efforts , we must speed them up. if it is possible, if it is achievable conducting our operations. well, i want to note due to the fact that the notorious red lines have already been transmitted many times, we must draw a conclusion for ourselves. firstly, these tanks should in the smallest number, preferably not reach the battlefield at all. and this means that it is still necessary to stop communications if there was some kind of internal veto that this do it should be with not something in connection with this

decision. by the way, i'm sorry i'm in peru you mean. uh, these attempts to deliver tanks must be crossed into ukrainian territory into ukrainian territory is the first thing i mean, but i mean something else, if it's still impossible to find out. and who exploded the nord stream is also playing the same game with us, it is not clear who did it. well, why would such stories begin to happen in the relations of our opponents, since today they are officially through the mouth of their foreign minister the affairs of the lord's germany, we take god, she says that we are involved in a war with russia. she says this, she calls it a spade. of course, we should not be substituted. we are not going to attack the west on its territory on the territory within these states. well, the fact that all sorts of, it seems to me, warnings are removed from us and all sorts of our own internal uh , some kind of uh forbidden forbidden internal taboos

regarding the fact that everything becomes a goal here and can be the subject of any conclusions of sabotage, anything this is all, maybe. we should reconsider, as it seems to me, we had this discussion in connection with the appearance of a message in our country that russian companies. well, they continued to supply and continue to supply gas, they put down oil products, but they must carefully pay attention to where they supply, for example, oil, if they supply bulgaria close to the battlefield to their refineries or in hand. and from there it flows in a stream to supply the armed forces of ukraine, which otherwise cannot achieve fuel or anything another for their armed forces, then at this decisive moment, when everything must happen on the battlefield. this must be stopped even at the expense of our economic ties. if you like, because the war is becoming more and more widespread

appetite comes with food in our opponents. we naturally have to endure and lift gloves. karen i want you to see with us all the a-a worthwhile advice that e germany gave in relation to russia the first democratically elected president of poland and the aqualans. let's see, the germans need to be shown that there have always been problems with russia and we are poles, we know this especially well, and therefore we have a chance during the life of this generation to deal with russia, we will no longer have such a chance, as now the whole world sees russia's bad behavior it requires change. a generation will not forgive us if we do not take advantage of putin's mistake, we must convince the germans, if our children want to live in peace in the future, we must deal with russia and then china deal with russia and then china and we must be careful about this the current, and former e, president of poland

is well-known. well, how to say so with the colorfulness of his statements, a locksmith, but at the same time. i hope you agree. in general, it adequately reflects. this is the mood that prevails today among the polish political elite. yes, i’m here, if they said that historically here ’s how to say something like this, you know, when e, we come to the art gallery. yes, we are looking at a picture. well, i don’t know the last day of pompeii to bryullov. yes, here we are at a distance of 10 see what we see, we see nothing. we see a separate detail, a piece of a hand piece, legs, some paints, all this is interpreted. so otherwise, as you like, you step back 10 steps and see the whole picture, the artist’s intention, and it becomes clear for you. well, the same relationship. now, if hmm, so to speak , the west and russia well, you can

interpret the collision of the west historically in any way you like , they interpret it from a political point of view with such and such. well fact is a fact for the last 200 years. the west invaded russia four times four times, and it must be said that all these invasions set their goals of destroying russia; none of these invasions took place. in fact, local, no matter how he was motivated by the politicians who at that time have. this i have, of course, the invasion of napoleon as they say in 812, then the crimean war, which, of course, had tasks. not just take sevastopol, but a much wider polymerstone, the prime minister of great britain then fully voiced them. it was a desire to cut russia along the volga then say it and just sevastopol took so much from them

forces that they were unable to accomplish this, but we recall that this was also a coalition of england france italy sardinia which was then a very large italian state, turkey and austria-hungary, which almost entered the war next intervention during the civil war, in which they took participation of almost all hmm european countries and again with the goal was the splitting of russia and, of course, the finale. as they say, that is not the final. aw, now in my opinion there is this invasion of europe under the leadership. ah, the third reich. here you know, whatever one may say, i don’t make russia , i don’t want to say that our country has always been ideal and has never made any mistakes and absurdities, they clearly calculated what was there at the end of the 19th century. we absolutely did not, so to speak, there was no point in participating in the colony, which, uh, the colonials, which then invaded china, russia took part in the capture of beijing and this led to war with japan a and this led to war with

japan yes, this led to war with japan but i believe that the soviet union at one time rehabilitated itself with help, china, by the way, defeat of japan in the forty-fifth year, but the fact is the same fact. here it is in this story with the ukrainian, if you approach it at a distance of this year, then, yes, scattering started a war. eh, so to speak, the sovereignty of the state. well, let's step back a bit . and you see, the ninety-first year of nato, the military organization of the west is located west of berlin, and you see 2022 , the beginning of the end of xxi, even before this nato is not just already, as they say in eastern europe , it is in ukraine de facto nato occupied ukraine and de facto. in fact, ukraine was already included in the military system of nato. but then it’s completely expansion.

this expansion is the aggression of the west against russia, which , in my opinion, russia has made a lot of mistakes over these 30 years and very much . what konstantin fedotovich talked about. this is, in my opinion, this part of this resistance that is not yet obvious, therefore it is completely different looks. this is the whole picture, but of course the poles and walesa. they they are just they are just uh this idea from the west you in their performance becomes absolutely demonic and categorical, that behind this you can talk a lot about the polish uh japanese inferiority complex, and the division of poland in which he took part

in russia, but we recall that this division occurred after 150 years poland was engaged in expansion against russia and smolensk was polish in moscow there were poles and, as they say , and so on and so forth, therefore, it seems to me, uh, for us it is necessary to proceed from this and ours in this sense, uh, reflections must be removed. hmm, and i think that konstantinovich is right in the case . here are some really serious answers that should be resorted to. i am not a supporter of nuclear strikes. and generally speaking pro-nuclear strikes. uh, but there must be some serious measures anyway. therefore, on the occasion of thank you very much, we are going out for a short break, and then the big game will return and we will talk about complex and controversial issues, as a rule , quite frankly, constitutional relations between russia and the west. i

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70% of buyers on the air the big game 2004 the dean of the faculty of international relations of mgimo and also very serious scientists in populist. i have a provocative question for you. just said. that's about what happened in ukraine about the promotion. uh forces, well hostile to russia to ukraine and you talked about it. naturally. why do we keep talking about what happened donetsk luhansk but do not mention

that, in general, they were separatists the leaders of ukraine e, who are at the moment of weakness e of russia and at the moment. uh, the confrontation between the soviet and russian leadership took advantage of ah? uh, russian credulity soviet credulity and in violation of the soviet constitution and all kinds of rules for holding referendums, they organized a referendum in ukraine that led ukraine out of the soviet union, despite the fact that there were many documents, many assurances to the russian leadership about how ukraine would behave and how ukraine will build relations with almost all of russia these written oral promises were broken. is it worth saying that, in general

, we are talking about the fact that although for many reasons, including for reasons of international diplomacy , raising the issue of the return of ukraine today would be, from my point of view, unwise and extremely risky. but nonetheless. that's when we talk from an analytical point of view. we must honestly say to ourselves that ukraine is a piece of russia at the moment of russian sweetness and that in the long term russia also has the right to think about reunification with ukraine how the germans had the right to think about the reunification of west east germany the fact that the collapse of the soviet union was not prepared at all, but was accepted as a new reality by the russian leadership. not only the first

period, but also, starting from the 2000s , it formalized the political reality that was developing on the continent, since it was considered by two generations of our leaders that recognizing the sovereignty of all post-soviet countries. we keep our entire large space from a large-scale civil war, which could resemble the events in yugoslavia in its likeness , and this was a conscious decision of the russian leadership. and i am convinced that the current events in ukraine are, to some extent , such a postponed civil war that could have happened even then. it would not have happened if it were not for the dynamics of ukrainian political factions and the intention of the west to use ukraine to deter russia from inflicting and strategic defeating the circumstances of our common history are , of course, an essential reason for

perceiving all this space as the space of life of one family is the space of relatives, and when we see how , through the manipulation of cultural information , they begin to interfere in the process of determining their future by our peoples, of course, this cannot leave us indifferent, and here it is appropriate to quote pushkin’s poems that polyakov called to look at the dispute and russians at that moment, as the dispute of the slavs. leave it to us, obviously, that the logic of the conflict that we are now seeing in eastern europe is not exclusively a conflict between russia and zelensky’s government is mainly a conflict between russia and the west, and if it were not ukraine, but, say, poland or any other strong military relationship, a counterbalance that could be made with our country. uh, act as a barrier or make it significantly

difficult. uh of course this tool would have been used as an imperfect metaphor. but still, i think it is appropriate to use it. this is the relationship between india and pakistan pakistan and india at the same time, liberated from colonial dependence. uh turned out to be able deep rivalry, and for pakistan , the rivalry with the confrontation with india in general has become an obsession and the basis of national national identity. they simultaneously began to develop large-scale military programs, simultaneously began to earn nuclear weapons and despite the fact that pakistan is 10 times smaller than its neighbor and relative. he continues to be at the heart of all military associations that are anti-dyay in nature and relies in his strategy on the possibility of family clashes, and i believe that in a rare region of the world, borders

were as mobile as they were historically mobile in eastern europe and looking at long historical cycles. i am convinced that we are in the middle of one of them and we are definitely not watching. now its final configuration, ukrainians have become hostages of this soap bubble of western promises, which are now quite instrumentally using the ukrainian armed forces, ukrainian territory, the lives of ukrainian citizens in order to sell the peace that will inevitably come at a higher price and the features of the american strategy in this situation, that the negotiations will inevitably talk about it now, the military leadership, the united states, but the united states has sufficiently secured itself from the fact that from the questions what will be the borders of ukraine by this moment and in this, of course, the unfortunate reality for the ukrainian people i want to say that this is

a good example of pakistan's interest. more recently we have through our channels. well , at least a couple of years ago, a film was shown about the history of this disengagement, the management of the last viceroy, lord mountbattan, the tenure of which churchill's government just led to a split, the disintegration of its formerly unified indian colony into two warring states, moreover, one of the reasons that the british government insisted on giving pakistan independence from india was that it was believed that indian national congress. it is subject to the influence of stalin and stalin the soviet union through india can get access to the warm seas to the indian ocean, and so on. you need an angry dog ​​something similar happened from ukraine while that the difference between india pakistan

is religious. for example it has always been obvious, and between and e, russia and ukraine , there was no such difference until very recently . in fact, i support your main thesis, which is that, in fact, the entire path of independence of ukraine since the ninety-first year. this is the path of betrayal. this is the path of betrayal, because the independence of ukraine could be deployed in different directions, there were opportunities in the nineties to let it go along a normal path. upon agreement implementation of even that limited agreement on friendship and partnership that we signed in the ninety-seventh year, but from the very beginning it was about creating ukraine as not russia, which very quickly turns into ukraine anti-russia, because it refuses to recognize the reality of recognizing that it is russian-speaking the recognition that it is multidirectional, multi-tribal from the recognition that within this unitary ukraine there is

the republic of crimea, a unique case of a federal state , the republic of crimea officially exists on one part territory is a fake, of course, a republic mainly only in name, but the very fact that ukraine abandoned the federal path and followed the path of assimilation of the russian-russian-speaking population and the desire to sail as far as possible with everything that she inherited back all the time two -faced towards russia, politicians, building their capital and economy on cheap russian gas and at the same time the desire to join nato to join nato, which is not some kind of garden greenhouse community, but a military-political bloc, that is , a clash in this respect became more and more inevitable, the question was only in what forms, when will it occur? ah, did you tell andrey e that negotiations are inevitable? well basically, uh, i think that's the right question to ask, based on

what we can avoid. uh, the most dangerous last stages of escalation, which i 'm sure neither the russian leadership nor even the baida administration wants, but don't you have the impression that when washington is talking about negotiations? they u share two different themes negotiations about where and how the hostilities in ukraine will end and about russia's place in the world and that serious readiness to discuss real normalization, real normalization between russia and the collective west is a fundamental easing. and even better, the lifting of sanctions is the readiness to recognize russia as one of the participants and even architects of the world order, which

is such a readiness, until washington or brussels can be traced. we are at the beginning of a long crisis. and i don't think negotiations to resolve this crisis take place with some and there was no short term, and you are right in the sense that the united states owns the initiatives and determines from the west, they are the main country that determines the moment when they want these negotiations to start the subjectivity of ukraine here, secondary ukraine is not owns its own military resources and means of their reproduction. now she is fighting on someone else's e, materials on someone else's material resources, and her subjectivity is constantly decreasing, although, e, it is impossible to to remove it from the accounts, but, in the discussions that took place in istanbul in april and

which almost culminated in an agreement between the russian and ukrainian delegations , the united states and great britain intervened themselves, who made it clear to kiev that now is not the time. let's e. hmm , let's take full advantage of this opportunity to weaken our country, in terms of the timing of a long crisis. that is by historical standards. uh can be quite lengthy and not necessarily limited to ukrainian theater, if you think about it, in the categories that the leading western analytical e, magazines, publications think tanks are now thinking, then the pacific ocean is already being added to this theater, the united states is trying to create an artificial link between its allies in europe and its allies in east asia in the pacific suddenly nato e, has found the excitement to see itself, uh, as an active force in east asian politics

and, uh, it is obvious that russia china iran in certain contexts are acting for this western bloc. uh, so key by the actors or the goals of their policies, in the experience of history, great deals were concluded at a moment when fatigue set in on all sides or some obvious result of these military actions or , er, another form of confrontation, was reached, while we rather see a lot of excitement in order to more and more is trying different tools to cross the red lines to test the strength of this system and trying to create some new system in the distant future. that is, most likely. we can realistically hope that the conflict in ukraine if not resolved, then at least brought under control to the fundamental confrontation between russia

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1tv cinema presents preobrazhensky doctor they want preobrazhensky, they will get everything. there is a big game on the air and we are talking about the history of confrontation, and sometimes partnership between russia and the west. and when we look at the conflict in ukraine, more and more, i think, and on the other side of the conflict, we

come to realize that this is russia's struggle with its, uh, relatively small number of allies and a much larger number of wishing partners and the collective west, which determined not only to win ukraine, but also to inflict serious damage on russia, at least in in terms of russia no longer being a great power and playing a fundamental role in shaping world and particular european politics. and when we look at everything that opposes russia today , the thought involuntarily comes to mind that this situation is very alarming. in general, russia is familiar from history. and what? this is not the first time that europe has attacked russia and there have been many, of course, conflicts. and during the time

of ivan the terrible, and of course, there was the time of troubles, when the poles were their allies. they even got there. uh up moscow well, the first big campaign, the first big campaign from the west against russia, is, of course, the invasion of napoleon and it is interesting not only because all of europe is actually all of it, but at least for a while it united against russia, but it is interesting that the outcome of this conflict was determined not only by the confident actions of the russian army. but the fact that it became the first patriotic war, that and on the side of the army, on the side of the authorities, the russian people, the russian peasant, determined this in many ways, the results of the war. i want

ask you vladimir rudakov editor-in-chief of the magazine. why do you think napoleon was able to organize such an invasion against russia only because he was a brilliant commander and was able to conquer a significant part of europe, or there were some other motives for many european states that napoleon didn’t really like, but how to attack russia for many of them say, especially for poland was a great pleasure. well, you are certainly right . napoleon was an outstanding military leader and, of course, his success on the battlefields of europe, still impress many, many, but are you right that, of course, under the banner of napoleon in this army, two ten languages, as it was called? that is, 20, but in fact more than the peoples who came with him, and on the territory of russia, and, of course, but were recruited. and

this is such a complex coalition there. and those whom napoleon drove, what is called force, but there were those who, of course, were ready. uh, to solve some local local issues by joining a stronger player napoleon of course was a force in europe in early 19th century. force is always, of course, unconditionally attractive. eh, it was clear that napoleon e. well, no matter how he plans to occupy russian territory, it was precisely the invasion that was about forcing the government of alexander ii to actually adjust, but to recognize napoleon's primacy in international affairs. to ensure the interests of france at the expense of russia and beyond, apparently napoleon at least. this is how it is presented. here in the correspondence that he conducted, but was still going to leave russia alone, subordinate france and russia to leave peace,

but all those who joined him what is called pretty forced, who wanted to take advantage of the defeat of russia and many believed that it would be so, because napoleon was really a brilliant commander. and those, of course, you started your interests, russia subordinate to france would be a tasty morsel for very many, and let's not forget the countries and the north of europe that on the eve of the war of the twelfth year, russia ended a victorious war with sweden and made a big acquisition in the form of a swedish province, which became and was then called finland yes, but there were people interested in this in the south, because just a few months before napoleon’s invasion , kutuzov signed the treaty of bucharest with the ottoman empire and also quite beneficial for russia, which means that there were also quite revanchist strong moods. and, of course, they correctly said that a in

the central part of this, all touches are where they were. they were polish territories. uh, of course, there were great hopes that napoleon would change. uh, the geopolitical alignment of forces, let me remind you that poland is quite active struggled with the legacy of catherine the great , who is in alliance with uh austria prussia. uh, on the initiative, even i said austria carried out after all. uh, division of polish lands. and the idea of ​​​​revenge, of course, in the polish minds was perhaps the most serious in comparison with all other e countries that supported this invasion, associate professor of the faculty of history of moscow state university fedor explain to us how russia was able to defeat napoleon, we have already established was a brilliant commander once. and his army was well motivated two. and there were countries that supported him

synthesiasm, and others, as it were, because circumstances required it, but still , let's compare the population of russia and the population of europe, the gross national product of all of europe, which, together with napoleon, invaded russia. how did russia manage to win? well , you can really say, so that napoleon's mobilization reserve was about twice as large as russian historians usually do. they say that those territories that he controlled. in total, this was 72 million. the russians had 36 million people. and indeed, an army was created, which in fact europe did not know more than 600 thousand people, no one has ever put under arms in europe. but, uh, only 6 months have passed and such a crushing defeat, which,

in fact, has become. this is really a turning point in the entire history of the napoleonic wars, which ultimately led, in fact, to the liquidation of the collapse of this entire empire, and so, and even the participants in this war, but literally wondered how this could happen and put forward for a variety of reasons and it was said naturally natural causes it was said frost. yes, it was said about the kiev tactics of the russians, who do not fight according to the rules , who retreated, so to speak, to the limit, so to speak, e barbaric, which means they not only surrendered, but also burned their own ancient capital there, and so on and so on, yes, but really. uh, without uh in advance. in general, a well-thought-out strategy, of course, this victory would be impossible. and although the russians actually had several strategic plans. by the beginning of the war, the controversy was still going on. yes

as a matter of fact, we will fight, but nevertheless, barclay's plan won, and in this, of course, to say. that's it, he was commanded by the russian. as a matter of fact, the minister of war of russia, barclay de tolle, who became the commander of the first army and whose, in fact, the plan turned out to be the most reasonable and which in fact really assumed retreats into the depths of russia in order to replenish reserves, and in order for bonaparte to expand and communications for so that he actually lost more and more in this campaign of people. well, it's actually a tactic. and this was the first, in general, success factor for the russians. here, and this is a wheelbarrow tactic, by the way, e he appreciated the body, which replaced barclay detor, a and which has already led the entire, united russian army, a which gave a general battle. indeed, as we know, yes to say on the borodino field, but a gave it. eh,

already. as a matter of fact, when well , perhaps, there really was nowhere to retreat already behind. moscow was. yes, well, on this borodino field, napoleon, by the way lost half of his cavalry. and, uh, by the way, uh, when, uh, a few months later, the french had eaten all their horsemeat in the cold. yes, and then they could not restore it in foreign campaigns. here's an interesting thing. it turned out that the war economy of russia is much more successful than the war economy united against russia and europe, that's what happened to 1612. although european. uh, the economies were considered more advanced for that time quite right, but uh, the mobilization capabilities of the then the russian economy turned out to be higher. and so this late factory was very good. this, by the way, is partylerii. uh, it felt very good, because

russian artillery at one time. yes, so to speak, lost in 1805 under osterlitz was restored, and by the efforts of the arakchi minister of war, by the efforts of the next military man, mr. barclay de toli was restored and became the best in the world at that time at 18. in the seventeenth year and, accordingly, the totality of all these factors and, of course, folk war and naturally position the russian emperor alexander i, who refused to sign peace, unlike, yes , from all the others, so to speak, other monarchs, who are losing there , let’s say, and some of their territories, yes, they were already ready. as a matter of fact, to give up and join, yes, to say, in the composition of this super bonaparte empire, and alexander i, as you know, was not going to sign the world. moreover, he said that he was ready to leave for kamchatka. but he would not sign peace, and as a result , all this gave in totality. actually speaking, the effect that is already literally.

right after the twelfth year, they began to call it the patriotic war. and by the way, at the same time the term people's war already appeared. moreover, with a capital letter narodnaya as patriotic, an amazing thing happened to russian society, which is educated, which separated itself from the common people. for the first time in the twelfth year, he spoke about himself as a part of the people, that is, this absolutely amazing consolidation took place. yes, these are the people who, in fact, for which er means french was actually the main language. they began to speak with him from early childhood. yes, so, here, they felt like russians. and this, in fact, led to success. here. uh, when we look at the current situation of europe against russia, with the possible exception of serbia. well, to some extent, hungary is very difficult. find european countries that would support russia and how would the majority of europe accept

american hegemony. but then. e, in 1812-13, europe also recognized hegemony napoleon but as soon as the russian troops, as fedor said, as a result of the effectiveness of the russian model of the mobilization model and the enthusiasm of the russian people and the patience and iron determination of emperor alexander i after all this led to the liberation of russia from napoleon as the russian troops moved deep into europe suddenly it turned out that the dominance of napoleon, in general, many tolerated, but not so many, loved and even permanent in many cases, but

the monarchical rulers of large countries. i i mean the austro-hungarian empire of course prussia, even without it. suddenly it turned out that now napoleon was faced with the wound up europe. and russia, united in europe , organized this, and now i want to ask you, from the point of view of not only stories, but also psychology, how this kind of war works, how coalitions change depending on the idea that who favors fortune and most importantly, of course, success on the battlefield. well, who dared? someone ate, as they say, but i think you know that we are anyway. we are the kind of people who constantly experience these illusions in relation to the west, which very skillfully manipulate them with what napoleon said both

before and after his. as they say already on the island of st. helena, he always said, then, to occupy a certain place in history. in this sense, i am much more a supporter of the version of leo tolstoy, who, as they say in his already in the final head. e war and peace. i literally cannot quote it, but its meaning was close to me. i understand it, i say, well, you can imagine that one person could tear off under 600,000 of these different people. from home away from the family and make them go east. this could not be done if they did not want it, it was a movement from west to east. here is the movement. it is inevitable, it is constant, it is, as they say, existential, and it is like that. every time they are already defeated, they were the same with hitler . look, so to speak, it all came down to the fact

that the soviet union liberated whom austria , which honestly fought on the side of the fuhrer, czechoslovakia, which honestly, today you can say that it fought with not just not just built, but fought, because the checks served the wehrmacht, the slovaks simply participated in the romanian war - this, well, there were their own soviet union political these e that is childish because the warsaw pact , but still this is some kind of internal illusion. e russia that this can somehow be solved? i don't think this question ever. it is impossible to solve it, it can be solved only by the fundamental defeat of one side. here, which the lion of valencia said very clearly. here he expressed the truth in his innocence. carthage must fall. here we are carthage for them. but i hope that we are not carthage, but,

because the ancient romans had another rival, whom they could not break. this is the party of the ancestors of the persians, yes, who as a result defeated them, if he was also constantly existential, well , the same thing here, and in principle, to a certain extent, i even understand western man and europe, because well, look, here denied russia country resources. so they gave up resources, these resources will go east to china, india, resources will become more expensive for them, they will lose the economy. not not today, not tomorrow, but within 10-15 years they cannot exist without resources. all this is so modal resources that they need and so it has always been, i explain this in this sense, i'm sorry marxism. you know there is interest. there is a specific one in this part, so it seems to me that this conflict is uh absolutely unfortunate, because well, well, in

in this case, russia is the side of the victim of aggression. i gave an interview to a french journalist. he told me, he says, well, you won after the war. that's all of his europe i say, what kind of naivete guys? yes, what are you saying? well, we came in response to the aggression of all of europe led by hitler against us, but they think so. they justify all this, you understand, and nothing can be done about it, and in this conflict, which we are talking about today , it can also be resolved only by the final defeat of one side, but it won't be. i think, i think, because neither side can work it out. finally, because in the end russia is a nuclear power, so in the end. probably this will again be an unresolved issue for some period. and this is an everlasting movement. west here to the east, repeating. i don’t want to look like that , we also had a lot of our own problems with respect to

china in the relations of the south. there, you know turkestan , in fact, it cannot be said that it was on our side as they say, well, in relation to the west, we never conducted any aggressive policy. and when we came to europe and dominated europe we dominated europe after napoleon after after the defeat. this it was the result of that, lord at this moment, of course. many countries are very skillful, as they say, the more russian conceited alexander i was conceited. so to speak, he liked him and they talked about him there, he is in paris and so on and so forth, well, with this it is such a national character, but as soon as they felt that russia had weakened the crimean war, the same thing. intervention civil war. there's a revolution here. right there, like kites, like jackals. we entered here. everyone, even

the greeks, even the greeks, and they came here, well, they don’t talk about it at the procession. uh, so to speak , hitler, since then, as you remember in well , you know, so to speak, in the soviet union , the british, the americans, the british gave 2 weeks, that he would withstand all the american intelligence for months. they were absolutely sure that the soviet union would fall. it’s just that the future president, the future romanian president, said that we need to see who wins and then haunts. well, basically, they were sure, because well, the soviet union really, and he was really the weak side. here is another important question you asked. and what helped russia, you know, here mimoxism does not suggest anything here only god can, because if we talk like this logically, russia should have lost to both napoleon and hitler and by the way, the crimean war

should have been lost in fact, because russia had no roads, there was nothing to remember what crimea was on the other side was the most powerful calcium. not well, that's intervention, of course, that's what is really incredibly tenacity, as tolstoy said. e. a distinctive feature of the russian soldier is this simplicity and stubbornness. here we see, here, apparently, here is the simplicity of his stubbornness. this applies to everyone, not only russians. and to all the peoples of our country. perhaps, it may be, it may be necessary to say in this sense that the elite is much more educated than the western one, because our elite has always been more educated, because they have never interested with us. well, now we know their literature. they know nothing, often encountered. in fact, in addition, it seems like i heard nothing about dostoevsky is known, you know? well, dmitry, i don’t know if you

agree with me, but it seems to me that our elite is always more educated. eh, than the western elites precisely, because western and in essence, she has always been, and not just, but more educated, but she has always been more rude to herself than to the west. elites with russia did not occur to western elites. well, here's the question i'd like to ask. to me not much time left. so, when i look at the invasion of napoleon and europe, which is well-organized by napoleon, i think that there were those very practical reasons that you fedor spoke about, but there was and this is just a philosophical and emotional need, about which you said to carry the koran a blow to russia well, what i don’t see and correct me if i’m wrong, i don’t see the ideological background napoleon’s invasion

yes, of course, france started out as a republic, but by the time of the invasion it was already an empire and generally. i, at least, do not see that he was napoleon, there were serious ideological differences with russia. well, all the more so there were no ideological differences in the russian monarchy either. and the austro-hungarian, and now it seems to me that europe has united , that europe has united under their new identity with their new idea, which they decided is the last stage, uh, of history and they have a feeling, but if you want, a divine mission. and this is a very important distinction for me, because when you have disagreements, after all, mostly practically, then find ground for agreement. and of course it's easier than when a crusade is declared against you. i don't know what you think, so about. well, in fact, this,

of course, is the case, as well as ideological differences between russia and the west. these are so total. yes, so to speak, of course, they have been fixed in general since the 20th century only and it is clear that the second world war, the great patriotic war is a natural, obvious ideological confrontation, yes, which naturally ends with the fact that someone must win 100% somebody must capitulate, and someone must win without any say unconditionally. yes and this, in fact, is probably the most dangerous thing in the current situation. and when the west really turns the current conflict into a total confrontation, including just an ideological one, which means that the war will not be to the death. and this means that

, by and large, yes, but one of these subjects, yes, must really suffer a crushing defeat, and at the same time, i would say, so taking into account. here's how i it seems that this is all america's strategic task to exhaust europe's resources in this confrontation. europe has a very serious chance to suffer a strategic and maybe even final defeat in this confrontation, because, as you know, europe has emerged from all the ideological confrontations of the 20th century. well, in fact , what is called the suicide of europe happened, that's what happened as a result of two world wars, especially world war ii. yes, when europe unites in the name of some values ​​goes to russia goes to the east suffers a crushing defeat and

europe ceases to be centric here my impression now is that this is the decline of europe-centricity in the world. it is now on the rise, and now, and europe may not get out of this confrontation at all . maybe not become like a subject. it seems to me, now, if we look at the year 1812 forty-first on the current circumstances of different eras and in an ideological sense it seems that it is impossible to compare. and yet. i think there is a common feature is the ideology superiority. i may even say such a harsh word, racial superiority. yes, the look of the colonialist on all the rest was characteristic and napoleon's invasion was unconditional. this was characteristic of hitler as well. we know a lot about this. but now we see it, it's in the same world, because that's what the imposition of values ​​that is going on. it is based precisely on the fact that the values ​​that are imposed above are better more interesting and everyone should join them. this is

the idea of ​​​​superiority, we are different for them, this is so they can be very cute sometimes. but it's, well, it's internal racism. it seems to me that it is inherent in the west, and i remember that i read an interesting book there that was published in our country. uh, the war of the twelfth year through the eyes of the french, we had a two-volume book, i don’t know. you saw it, but there . it’s amazing there are really simple french, but officers. well, it’s just, well , it’s clear, it’s just clear through every line that for them russians are barbarians, this is something else, this is completely, these are lower people. they can't hide it. this is at the level of politicians there. maybe all this acquires some charms, so it seems to me, yes, in this sense, unfortunately, this internal racism. well, you remember oh, he's not great, in general, he said this about it, that the west has always been aggressive and he

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other things, sometimes helped to crush russia , as, for example, in the case of the hungarian revolution, where he played a large role in maintaining order. uh, tsar nicholas, of course, using the russian army, but the next big war was the crimean war. and in general , formally the reason for the crimean war. uh, there were rather local disagreements between russia and the turks in russia and the ataman empire. but i personally can't imagine that things would have come to a big clash, especially a clash that was transferred to russian territory. i'm talking about crimea , about sevastopol if it weren't for the role of great britain and if great britain didn't turn out to be supported by france, in which, in general,

russia had not such bad relations. and then, in general, austria-hungary joined them. the one that just received support from nicholas i. i want to ask you sergey vyacheslavovich perevezentsev , doctor of historical sciences, how do you regard the motives of the western powers when they started this war against russia for what they did it. i don’t think it’s mainly because of the interest in turkey, well, i remind you that the war officially began in 1853, well, in about 15 years before that, all of europe was flooded with anti-russian propaganda , a huge number of different ones were preserved. i would even say even such vile leaflets that were distributed throughout europe, the texts that were written at that time have been preserved.

here we have now prepared a three-volume book on russophobia. and in particular. let's be all publish to show how to cook it all. why? i say this because the victory in the patriotic war of the twelfth year and the defeat. napoleon led to the fact that russia began to dominate europe. russia became the most powerful power in europe, the most influential and, in fact, dictated its policy. you are absolutely correct. they said that when the revolution broke out in france, uh, in germany, uh, the phrase was wonderful in its time. e, sovereign nicholas e, sticks of nicholas i , when he found out about one of the revolutions in france, he went out to his officers and said, gentlemen officers, saddle your horses in the france of the revolution, that is, sir. e, russian nikolai pavlovich a thought of himself as a defender of the traditional order, a defender of traditional monarchies. and what is very important defender, orthodoxy e. for the first time in many decades

, a person came to the throne who was an orthodox person and personally was an orthodox person. and he thought of himself as a defender of orthodoxy in this respect as well. his policy was quite strict. stkaya a and, when in the years e of the european revolutions of the forty- eighth forty-ninth years at the request austrian emperor, russian troops under the command of our paskevich entered hungary and in a short time completely finished with this ball. what did it start after? just a few years later, there was a revolutionary war against russia, several at once, and when england, france, which had clung to them, the kingdom, sicily of both sicilies, actually entered the russian-turkish war. eh, sir, nikolai pavlovich said, i didn’t verbatim, but i think that’s all, then it will confirm. uh, what, i

knew that europe would never forgive us for saving it from the revolution and in this regarding the fact that europe took up arms against e, you know russia, after all, by and large , it’s not the crimean war, the crimean war is a conditional name. it was a war, e.g. , catholic protestant europe against orthodox russia. moreover, i remind you that military operations were carried out both in the north, as in the far east, they were conducted in the caucasus and in this regard. ah, moreover, they could break out in europe, because the actual defeat in sevastopol was largely due to the fact that 200,000 russian troops were stationed on the austrian border, and er, they couldn’t participate. in fact, in battles , because she betrayed russia, well, this is the question of what tsar nikolai, e, was the first to say, and in this respect i will repeat myself as soon as

it broke out. this vile vile anti-russian russo- frankly russophobic propaganda in europe already then began. it is clear that there is a big war going on. and, uh , russia was preparing for it. yes, there were not enough technical means. yes, uh, uh, the english had more steamboats. moreover, not even wheel steamers, but screw steamers are much more modern technology. yes, there were much more rifled and barreled and personal weapons. yes, they were. uh, more such, perhaps, prepared, uh, economic and france and england for such battles. well, i remind you that in the north the british were defeated in the far east, they were defeated. uh, in

the caucasus, the turks were practically defeated. and now, if not for the betrayal of austria , if not for the fact that we had to hold on for so long and such huge troops to keep us on australia on the border with austria-hungary. hmm quite possible. the war would have unfolded quite differently. yes, and technically , our country has pulled itself up during the years of the crimean war. i remember, i will remind you that on the kronstadt roadstead it was our sailors who first used minefields. moreover, there was such a tragic story on the one hand, on the other hand, when the british fished out several mines and one of the commanding ships decided to show exactly how it works. he pulled the lever, his hand was torn off, and there several officers died as a result, and these hmm, including the technical successes of russia , they er, no doubt they were. although they were not enough. alexander andreevich prokhanov

is an outstanding writer, historian and person with his uh, very important and uh, unique vision of russian history, and i have a specific question for you. uh, like, uh, russia agreed to peace terms, you can call this defeat, we call it a compromise, but in general, this suited great britain and france, then nicholas dies, and his son alexander ii becomes emperor and begins liberal reforms, which it would seem it would seem that they should fit into the sense of beauty in the then collective west. and now an uprising arises in poland and again all of europe and, first of all, france is completely on the country of poland

. well , actually, they were not always on the side of the revolution. in general, and in general, it cannot be explained. eh, you can't explain them from the top. poland with some uh, universal romanticism. why are they so up in arms? uh, to russia, as it were, in general it was clear that, uh, the russian empire was a very serious challenge. and they kind of legitimacy fully recognized these empires. in general, here is the cockerel that crowned the roof of the russian tsar or the russian prince and began to beat the coca-river with wings at the time of the procession, he did not sleep throughout russian history, he never screamed and crowed day and night, and he was especially worried when he looked to the west, and he saw that in the west another

walkie-talkie was being assembled and the west had been continuously for centuries. and maybe even a millennium, if look there beyond our historical vision was moving here at you to the east. he believes that he was moving there in order to seize the land that we lacked in the west and the fertile lands and black soil we are ukrainian, just the space between our great rivers and lakes. that he was moving here in order to seize resources, well, now oil, gas, gold, russian , diamonds, russian fur, that he was worried about these russian riches, probably, he was worried and worried about the tsar's treasury of treasuries in stone caves. and when i had to the gold salaries of the cyclone, they robbed the chests , they brought to themselves a huge amount of such

looted trophies. everything, this is so, and all this lends itself really, to political science, military economic and political comprehension. in all this, we see some meaningful explanations for all this. and yet, beyond these explanations, there is some kind of mystery , some kind of mystery, some blind, blind forces that are leading here, er, western western civilization or the western world during these continuous age of me associalism kings change and ways of life change, uh, economic forms change, the type of weapons change, but the west is still like lava moving back and forth russia what is it? it's hard to understand if you don't get the idea that war and fighting is happening not only at the level of armies , only at the level of propaganda, not only at the level

of culture, not only at the level of large economic models or large or super-large political projects, but war also takes place . at the level of metaphysical religious meanings, because this sphere, and as a rule, does not fall into the field of view of high-ranking political scientists and scientists, and there in the skies in the interiies there are fights, the most severe fights, and perhaps these sweet ones are projected into the earthly plane. here arises battle here arises victory here arises monstrous defeat. entire peoples are beaten here and new kingdoms are dying and rising, to understand what it says up there in the empire and the provinces of the provinces, who were engaged in history, not only as a study of facts about events, but as a study of some huge spiritual manats monads of spiritual categories, they understood that

there in the heavens, relatively speaking, in the metavedic spheres, the main decisions are taking place or there is a main stop in making these decisions slowing down this victory of the west over russia and what are these semantic ones that hover over the world and which determine this eternal war, eternal hmm, eternal fight west of russia there is such a category that today's, uh, philosophical and historical religious thought began to operate. this is the category of dreams, national dreams. the national dream is hmm, if you like, the national idea is those aspirations, those highest tasks that are assigned to the people, their fate, their history and the tasks that the people fulfill, for example, their entire historical destiny, the historical line, historical time , these tasks. they can

be guessed, they can be overheard, and by following the whole outline of the historical life of the people, and in the end , bring this guess of the book to metaphors in some way. there is a concept of the american dream, but today we will call this dream the saxon dream, or it more than she spoke with her father her western dreams in the depths that lie here is this consciousness this brilliant dream was formulated by neons. i'm fucking myself now articulated the soul, it's a dream in their places. sounds like america or the american dream. this is a city on a hill. hill or mountain, this is the whole grand great american landing story. e europeans to the continent new colonization. west indians beating bison victory in the civil war bat for freedom is a huge

scientific discovery of achievement. this is the great american culture or history. on the top this story is worth the city. or rather, the fortress at the top is an american fortress with hospitals that look down there from the top of the mountain along the slopes, where other peoples live, where other settlements live, and other towns are other capitals, and from there comes with constant surveillance. if these peoples, these cities of theirs, do not behave in the way that the main fortress, the main castle, the main halls, is planning. yes, it’s pouring out of the hospital, or they fired from the squeak, and then cruise missiles, and then what god knows than the american dream is the dream of a city on this hill the idea of ​​dominance is the idea of ​​domination. this is the idea of ​​absolute power over the world. and this is a dream i repeat. she completes on the tops of this castle of this temple. she doesn't walk. then it

ends. right here on this hmm at the top, which is slightly extended by this stone bastion, which is the american thought of the american idea. what if there is another dream? there is a russian dream. the russian dream, as it is given to close people, as i define it, is the temple on the hill, not the city on the hill, but the temple on the hill, that is, the hill and the mountain is our russian history, filled with great deeds, terrible catastrophes, beatings by pitch darkness . rebellion behind these darknesses, great flowering , great hopes. this whole colossal mountain is filled with, uh, caves, as well as some kind of divine gardens. she is crowned not with a fortress, not to be zion, not a trench. she is different temple. this temple extends the mountain

up, it does not end. on itself, his crosses of his crucifixion go there to the highest height , the light of tabor, and this is the light of savor, which touches russian wounds. he runs down these crosses on the walls of the temple on the mountain and fills the life of our families, the garrisons of the universities , our political science centers, our e- kremlin. eh, something like that and jury palaces. it's a dream. the russian dream is a dream of the kingdom of heaven. it is a dream of absolute harmony. this dream in absolute beauty is absolutely about love, where there is no strong and weak , there is no reproach e of the weak e, rich, where they took away injustice, where there is no eating. uh, there do not know eating in general. if we watch this fresco you understand? what and where is the lord absolutely? justice is not the worst thing

is death. these two dreams are the american dream associated with dominance and the russian dream associated with divine revelation to transform russian earthly life into life. e, heavenly life, the kingdom of heaven, they are constantly in contact, they are incompatible in their essence and the west, moving here to russia with its armadas of intelligence with its e, cultures, experiences some kind of reproach constant charisma emanating from russia russia speaks to the west, even if russia is armed pushkin's army with guns and leads her there, i don’t know, suvorov or stalin delivers his tenth stalinist blow, he leads him there to europe. eh, this is some kind of luminiferous one.

eh, the divine sensations of the world and in europe are connected with the idea of ​​the dominance of the great self, the destruction of what will not be crowned in the european context, and today's europe, today's west, there is a great beheading, because the idea of ​​the great renewal. this is the destruction of everything that is not connected. here with all the new suppression views. basically suppression. here is this conflict of depth conflicts. he said that this is a metaphysical or religious conflict, and he determines the entire history of relations between russia and the west, and now he told you a step back that this is a conflict of the centuries. it is this conflict, as it were, conceived, uh, by the very nature of human god, because without apparently a russian dream, or this russian aspiration. to the divine is impossible for mankind, but rational. here is a rigid roman connected with a rigid law with an understanding of the american hierarchy of the world. ah,

anglo-saxon. in the end, maybe roman dream. they are also very important for humanity, and we are present in the tension of our entire visible history of the conflict and today's our here is this nightmare reality. when it suddenly showed up, you understand? we did not know that this was so, and suddenly discovered that the whole of europe was going against us , we suddenly discovered that europe had united and was sending leopards there to the russian borders and abrahatsya. this was so unexpected for us, because all our russian political thought. the political class here is for the soviet period. he lived he lived illusions, but we all say we are deceived. here gorbachev was deceived and nato suddenly came. e to the east, and gorbachev united germany and us oh, how they deceived us, and then they deceived us and during the division of the soviet union they took the crimea and gave ukraine. this is that ukraine will be our friendly country and the baltic states will love ours. and

here suddenly arises about the fascist organization. oh nah, we were deceived or we were deceived during this coup on the maidan, we thought so that inukovych still persuaded the west and uh, after all, the maidan did not will explode and it will be such, uh, a lot of vector. ukraine again deceived us. and now, it turns out the world has deceived us and you go out and fight us who we are, who are the boobies, or what? what are we, creating this gigantic empire of 12 time zones, which created a colossal unprecedented state, using, for this, the forces of the weapon of the bayonet and sophisticated subtle diplomacy and sweat, and just such an adoration for russia of great spaces. yes, the enchanted russian moved. can we really, being so weak-minded, could become this such, here is a great kingdom, no we were not deceived. we

deceived deceived us, russian history punished. we forgot about these lubricants that we said, we forgot that we are one of the pluses of the world, and we abandoned our polar destiny. we decided that the states would use this. their idea, their culture, their political science, their cia , which, after the collapse of the soviet union, established all our structures, whether it be the ministry of foreign affairs with a trump card or , uh, the lord of property. from chubais. this is impossible even today, today, when the fate of russia is really being decided again both on the battlefield and in the economic sphere. to me it seems that the feeling of these codes. it is not enough. we do not see these codes only. only by influencing this russian dream on its ascending victorious luminous aspect we will be able to overcome the west. thank you , this is a very important and interesting perspective.

i am with you, in principle, in my opinion, in almost everything. agreement. but when we talk about the 19th century, and when we talk, let's say about the natural crimean war, when we talk about the war between russia and turkey when, again, in general - after all, e. well i don't mean to say that russia was deceived, but i would say that they threw and threw e not the opponents of russia, not great britain and france, but. e, he threw a concert, which at that time had quite good relations with russia. eh, and, as it were , nicholas i rendered a great service to austria-hungary. uh, well, in general, uh , alexander ii did a great big service to bismarck, allowing him to unhinderedly unite germany and defeat france. so

i want to ask you, what was it about when the united states did not yet play a role in european politics, what motivated you? here again every time uh during the crimean war, and then now we are talking about the war with turkey every time the west stood up against russia, and the state is so different like england france and uh, again united germany, how do you explain this? well , alexander iii explained to himself that the west will always hate us, because we are too strong. that is, uh, it is assumed that in the east of europe there should not be such a force that can sometimes even outweigh the forces of a united europe, again, as it was in the twelfth year. here, in fact, is what the west was afraid, because

this coalition, and the era of the crimean war, is just a coalition of all united europe, while, by the way, it was even more united than under napoleon because the british were not only in this coalition. they made it, they formed it, and that means precisely in order to be here with united efforts. as a matter of fact, to solve the russian problem once and for all. that is, the crimean war was conceived as the last crusade. i must say now that we will finish russia, finally. all this horror hangs over us for centuries from the east. yes, this is a power that, on the one hand, seems to look a little like us outwardly, but on the other hand, they formulate some strange principles. they, uh , come here from time to time, yes, they free them, they go to paris and begin to tell everyone that one must live without war, how is it? what does it mean without war? yes, but how to realize their own interests, what kind of strange things

alexander i tells us, who says that, so to speak, monarchies should negotiate with each other and agree. actually peoples. what a horror. and for what else? strictly speaking , the monarch exists if they do not fight. yes, so, here, once and for all , to carry out such a crusade that will lead russia, in fact, out of this , so to speak, balance of power, yes, and then already. strictly speaking, the stake will be placed on who is the most progressive, but the most economically developed, but the strongest, and so on. everyone has one eventually. every european power there was a certain cult yes, the british had a cult of wealth and economic prosperity. so to speak, the french had a cult of cultural superiority. the germans had a cult of will. here, in fact, to say the german empire that arises is interesting, but to say right away dostoevsky's reaction to a appearance. strictly speaking, the german empire. he cannot understand in any way, he writes everything in the writer's diary.

strictly speaking, and where where are the very values ​​that, in fact, are going to defend the eternity of the german empire and what really relies on the cult of power, that's all. so it will not last long, i must say that dostoevsky had an old favorite place. russ of old rus formed this division, which then took a restart in the forty-fifth year, here. the last decade of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century before the revolution uh, between the west of russia arose again. this is some kind of cultural ideological strife and caused a lot of compensation in england, uh, i would especially say in france that in russia there were no such political freedoms, as in their countries, but also very resented by the pogroms. and especially i would say e was outraged in france and, in general,

it seems that the people who made this criticism. they were guided by some noble principles and compassion for those people, well, who starts with jews and ends with poles, and they always lived easily in the russian empire. well, what confuses me is that at the same time, uh, these empires expanded, like crazy at the same time, these empires used the brute, brute force to the harshest repression when it came to their interests. here's how to combine this compassion for the lack of any rights in russia and the complete lack of compassion for those people who were under their own control. well, they didn't have compassion yet. actually, to the russian people, somehow he is like that

. that's the kind of concern. oh, well then national religious minorities. it is exactly the same as now concern for sexual minorities on the territory of modern russia, in fact, there is no difference here, and no one talks about rights, let's say the russian people or the majority of the population of russia that our people also have their own rights, including historical rights, geopolitical rights, spiritual rights , russia is perceived as an enemy that prevents western catholic protestant europe from dominating the world. because this incomprehensible unknown to no one is not impossible to explain her actions, the country in its own way, understanding god. therefore, for the west of russia, this is not even the christian side. by the way, speaking, it's generally incomprehensible that because they had their own christian understanding and the second moment, that is, there was

a very powerful spiritual religious conflict that the west sought to destroy , and the second moment russia, in fact, in the middle of the 16th century, is an empire, a very powerful, very bright empire. after the sovereign ivan iv accepted. ah, the title. e, the king, that is , caesar, that is, the emperor, and in the future , russia expanded and, e, included other peoples on completely different principles. than western euro-, e western europe than the british empire or the french empire or the austro-hungarian empire, and the difference was that, well, this is a fact. all the peoples that entered the russian e, state at one time. they still exist not perished. no one else, russia, as this empire knows, on the contrary, when the outskirts were maintained at the expense of the center. and when exactly. uh, the russian people are not the biggest uh, costs and demographics finance and

economic and poly and in order to maintain this empire with their strength, and including other peoples on the this topic. there is even a special study now, i won’t talk about it, that is, russia showed the west that it is possible to build the other world in a different way, but others i myself about them are what i was talking about, fyodor mikhailovich dostoevsky mentioned here, all human unity is what the west not needed. thanks a lot. tell me, within the framework of your vision, an understanding of this metaphysics has entered, at least theoretically it is possible to reconcile between russia and the united states, without one of the parties, but fundamentally not changing this reconciliation cannot be a mitigation of these conflicts if this conflict increases to an apocalyptic level. in

russia, it tries on the west only at the moment when it loses, when it becomes a country controlled from outside, as it was in the nineties. the crusades of this religious campaigns, they are political and the war, crimean if you speak here in my language or our methodological. this is a war for chersonesos, this war for chersonesos is a war for that amazing and magical point where russia took place, like christian civilization and maybe even all the other battles of karasia are waging with the western world. this is the battle for chersonesos . thank you very much, we are going out for a short break, and then the big game will return and we will talk about complex and contradictory things. thank you for

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to defend the interests of russia, and he himself i really didn’t like bullying and no offensive wars. but already at the beginning of the 20th century, the situation began to change; there was a struggle for manchuria, a struggle for korea between russia and japan. and who did what to whom about this , many different questions and many different interpretations. and it would seem that it was a war in the far east, and where does the west well , the west was, moreover, that without the help of great britain and japan would not have been able to acquire a powerful fleet without the supply of western weapons. japan could not have a modern army, and precisely because of this western help. japan succeeded. i don't mean to say win the war. well, in general

, the protsman peace that was concluded in 1905 . although he did not satisfy many in japan , he was still closer to the japanese. and if you want, e wish, how did russia conclude a portman peace with the russians, concluded it through the mediation of the american president? it would seem that as if everyone had agreed , the japanese-russian contradictions were settled, and suddenly russia found itself in a very simple position. in a sort of position , not so much during the war itself, but in result of the isolation that followed. here is how prime minister sergey yuryevich vita described the situation, one of the most prominent statesmen of the tsarist regime, i would say.

the world bowed not before our culture, not before our bureaucratic church, not before our wealth and well-being, it bowed before our strength. and when, to a large extent, they saw that we were not so strong at all. as they thought, the picture immediately changed internally and external enemies raised their heads, and the indifferent began pay no attention to us. i think a lot of us. uh, they will see some parallel with what happened after the collapse of the soviet union with the situation, uh, in which russia found itself in the nineties, but russia then managed to get back on its feet. unfortunately, this process did not last long, the first world war began. again, there are different versions of how it exactly began, no one is primarily responsible, after all. i personally think that the main responsibility withdrew. he has kaiser wilhelm although england has played many

diplomatic games and also contributed from my point of view. starting a war is more on me. now something else is of interest in russia, a revolution took place, and the tsarist regime was defeated. the provisional government could not resist and the civil war began in russia. it would seem that britain france should have been on the side of the white movement. after all. generally. these were the same tsarist generals, those same tsarist ministers who, well, simply sacrificed russian interests for the sake of the loyalty of the allies. this is widely recognized and the leaders of france themselves - at that time willingly or reluctantly, uh, admitted, but during the civil war a very strange picture arose. on the one hand, the allies went on interventions, mainly against the belly, but on the other hand. they were not

ready to seriously support the white movements. it would seem absolutely friendly to the western powers, who, uh, in general, always wanted, uh, russia to fight against germany, and these were the generals who focused on soybeans. znikov against germany well, what kind of help russia received and from france, from the point of view of anton, who commanded the armed forces and russia, let's listen, france divided its attention between the armed forces of the south of ukraine, finland and poland, providing more serious support to poland alone, only to save it, subsequently entered into closer relations with the command of the south in the final crimean period of struggle. this circumstance gave the whole policy of france in the russian poll the character of indecision, the instability of groundless fortune-telling and the absence of that share of risk, which

lawful and inevitable in every great political undertaking. as a result, we did not receive real help from her, nor firm diplomatic support, especially important in relation to poland, not in loans or supplies. it was no longer aid, but simply barter and trade; such an agreement fundamentally destroyed the principle of the moral obligation of allied assistance in the fight against a common enemy. as for great britain, according to denikin and other authors of memoirs of that time , great britain at the beginning behaved more generously towards the white movement, but as soon as the whites had real difficulties, in the autumn of 919, the british prime minister very quickly decided to refuse support for the white movement , in fact, signing his death warrant. that's how it ended, but if you want, a bloody

story, uh russian allied relations with britain and france during the first world war. and i want to ask you. uh, alexander dugin are very happy to have you on our program. how do you assess the actions of the allies against russia during the first world war and especially during the war civil? can we say that these were real allied relations? you know, it’s interesting that just during the period of the civil war in ukraine, and in the course of the white movement , such a science as geopolitics began to take shape in full, because helford mackinder, the founder of this discipline, was the commissars of the entente for e, the white white cause on the south in the south of russia, that is, there was

the formation of the discipline, which in my opinion. explains the whole theme of the big game best of all by himself, uh, makinder, white party affairs, the representative of the entente, just complained that the bolsheviks, who had about the german orientation, won not enough support for the white movement. thanks to this insufficient support , mackindur tried to convince the british on the british prime minister and the british leadership that this the entente would have acted more effectively knowing that the german orientation of the bolsheviks sooner or later would give them the opportunity not only to establish control over all of russia , but also to become the main problem in the next stage of world history, that is, in this very period that you are talking about now, and that formula is being formed that allows us to explain the confrontation between russian civilization

, our eurasian civilization and western civilization, primarily anglo-saxon, both in that period and in the 20th century and in the 19th century itself, the concept of a big game is the name of your program - this is geopolitical just the confrontation of civilization and the sea, the anglo-saxon land civilization, which explains everything this way, applying the principles of geopolitics formulated by mackender to entente. one could immediately say that russia was doomed from the beginning of this union . it was an unnatural union. i am not filming in germany from er, kaiser no responsibility for the beginning. uh, the first world war and you are absolutely right in this, but russia entered into an alliance with our main geopolitical opponents, who already then realized that the goal was to weaken eurasia, to weaken the core of the earthly earth, which is all this war. the first world war is fought not so much against germany austria

the central european power. she herself deal with the prospect of a weakening of the heartmand, which was understood by the same makinder, and he insisted on the dismemberment of russia at that time and drew maps according to which it fell apart in the ninety- first year. that is, it is a class. the geopolitical model of the anglo-saxon world , we were doomed when we entered the war on the part of the entente. and now, what is interesting, what, and the conditions of hmm makinder x that explains? why was the support not enough, because the makinder insisted wrangel's leadership of the white cause to give independence after the victory over the bolsheviks. e ukraine belarus even novorossiya. it appeared there as other territories. he, too, had to secede from russia , to which the whites said no, a single indivisible single inalienable then there will be no support for you, that is , from a geopolitical point of view, from the point of view of this model of explaining history, as a confrontation between two types of civilizations

, a civilization of the sea and a civilization and land between which a big game was unfolding to defeat russia, first of all, an antenna was needed. this is an interesting perspective. i must confess that i test the cutter run great sympathy, of course, there is always a lot of nuance. there are many details that contradict the coherent scheme, but you are not at the academic seminar now. we speak to a wide audience, and i think that the main truth is now with you mikhail myagkov, scientific director of the military historical society. you know well what happened between the first and second world wars. and now i am especially interested in your assessment of the actions of great britain and france at the end of the thirties, when the nazi danger was already

obvious enough. and is it possible to say that britain and france were rather interested in some real? illusions of the soviet union, well, i must say that here is the interwar period that we are talking about is the twenties and thirties. e created a situation where russia was then the soviet union e he was under threat. e not just attacks by a coalition of some powers. how did it happen during the crimean war? as it happened in the time of napoleon, but in fact, uh, all the powers, uh, that were well armed, but the collective west, of course, understood this in the kremlin and built their policy based on the fact that moscow, russia is a besieged fortress around which a cordon sanitary entente is built. and along the southern borders, it is also restless in this respect. it so happened that this versailles-shington system, which was created after the first

world war. she e, as if this virus of perversity had not been introduced in advance, when there are disadvantaged powers, germany, which was considered offended, plus italy, japan, which considered themselves dissatisfied, and england the franconian coalition, which was supported by the united states, which believed that it was you, no matter what, it was necessary to keep what they managed to acquire during the first world war and, of course, it was a crisis of the versailles washington system from those treaties , is inevitable. well, here, just when we are talking about great britain, france, we must say that immediately after the moment hitler came to power in 1933, knowing perfectly well, as well as in the kremlin, that hitler's main direction is dangling walls. that is a hike current can be quoted even these books his book is that germany stops its eternal movements to the west and southwest of europe and turns its sword to the

east. exactly. there lies the living space, just here we are recalling the geopolitics that the german sword will conquer the resources, yes. people who were supposed to become slaves, then we know what was developed. this general plan of ost is in fact, and the eviction of people to siberia by the nazis of the rest of the transformations into slaves, the destruction of both jews and gypsies at once. well, how did you bring yourself down to england france in this regard, after all, today, when we listen to western experts, we open textbooks, for example, e, v. the same great britain , the united states of america, and i know very well that here they have the impression that england france well, based on the experience of the first world war, they were afraid of a big conflict and that is why they were engaged in appeasing hitler but in fact, when we open documents of that period, this is an english document, this is german - these are our documents

the question immediately arises. why did england , france e, with such persistence, but push the nazis directly to hitler uh, rearmed germany already directly to the east. why did they directly make it so that you want to say that they were not just escaping from nazi germany , they had their own plan for their mission for nazi germany. yes , this is exactly what i wanted to emphasize, we see that when it was overloaded, germany and churchill declared that in the thirty-fifth year it could be stopped, but england france did not go for it the germans never conquered. uh, troops entered the ukrainian region nisar. not uh, universal conscription. not austria in 1938. and now, finally, munich has come and here is munich, in fact, it is. well, first of all, it's a betrayal. yes, the betrayal of the west that today, well , they are trying to shut up, but modestly. yes,

in fact, the czechoslovaks are an ally of england , france, and without inviting them to slovakia , the soviet union is not invited, they give the announcer all the children's shoes, and then that's it. well , actually, slovakia and some kind of thought, that when the dominkin meets, and chamberlain and hitler then they meet the idols of the french prime minister and chamberlain and hitler can be quoted. even the words that they say about führ, they have long dreamed of meeting with such an outstanding leader. they shake hands with him, they uh think that this person, yes, he may be bad in some way, but this is his boyfriend. he is european, his many. they do not understand that this nazi nazi theory is also largely built on the theory of colonialism, that is the superiority of one race over another, and hitler simply brought to perfection that system of colonial dependence, which was tested by england, france, he brought it to the limit, when,

accordingly, the entire territory conquered should consist of configuration camps, and connected by autobahns and there. the germanic race and all the races he is already in the table by e, lines. as a matter of fact, painted here, uh, clearly the desire of england and france is that germany is facing the soviet union. they mutually weaken each other friend. and here it arises that the year of the civil war failed, the same thing for great britain and france. that is, when they still divided russia in march 18, they gained influence here on this territory. this is not russia , this is not great, the state is not a single self-sufficiency. it's not communist, it's just territory that can be taken and divided into spheres of influence. here is such a plan, of course, a monstrous jesuit plan that was drawn up for our country. and i think that most likely it could have happened if

if at some point, and moscow did not put that barrier on it, which horrified them simply. this is the soviet-german treaty of 1939, dmitry suslov my dear colleague cobra in the big game dmitry i will now be the devil's advocate. fine? here, for example, is what we just said about the behavior of the allies. everything is true, but there is another country of truth , stalinist repressions, the horrors of collectivization , millions of illegally repressed. is it possible to say from your point of view that disgust, but to the crimes of the era of stalinism, what is it explains or maybe even justifies the behavior of england and france on the eve of the war when they simply did not consider it possible for themselves

to agree with stalin. can you accept such an interpretation, i have great difficulty. i can't accept this interpretation. yes, sure. already the excesses of the stalinist regime , the repression of the collectivization of the holodomor, which certainly was not the genocide of the ukrainian people, was indeed a negative consequence of collectivization as a whole. and all this negatively worked on the image of the soviet union, but it seems to me that the main the reason for hostility towards the soviet union, including the stalinist soviet union , was geopolitical in nature, exactly what alexander gelievich spoke about, because under stalin the soviet union actually became the reincarnation of the russian empire, it became the very eurasian heartland, and which before that was the romanov empire and e, the west of the western european countries, great britain and france, of course, wanted to weaken this eurasian hartman, dismember and subjugate, and here i completely agree, of course,

the aggression of the hitlerite nazi regime purposefully heading east. this is not just a misunderstanding. it was a deliberate policy. let's talk about collective security, which the soviet union desperately insisted on at the end of the thirties, just in great britain and uh, france also wanted to include poland in this collective security system, the answer was, well, categorically no more, france and great britain did everything to ensure that so that these negotiations would not take place at first, and then, when they nevertheless began, they did everything to ensure that they dragged on and ended virtually nothing. just on a technical level. yes, they chose the slowest ways to get to the soviet union, and so on and so forth, when they arrived , after all, the soviet union, it turned out that they did not have credentials, that they did not have powers, and so on and so forth. yes, and actually in the soviet union in these in this situation it became absolute that e nazi

germany was sent by nachstan, a and a, france and e, great britain it seems to me that everyone is my own. forces made it clear that the soviet union for they are indeed an alien evil and a much greater evil than nazi germany compared to the soviet union, which was a great ideological anomaly at that time in international relations. it was perceived both as a geopolitical challenge and as an ideological one, moreover, an existential ideological challenge. and for e western european e, democracies, nazi germany seemed to be a much more related element. see how much it was about the nazi representatives of the elite of the highest elite in the same uk and. by the way, speaking also in the united states, i would like to know your assessment of the actions of the russian allies of the soviet allies during the great patriotic war for them it

was the second world war on the one hand. well, they were clearly allies, they fought against hitler , uh, on one side there was a leaf, which undoubtedly helped the soviet armed forces a lot, on the other hand there were some constant delays with the second front. uh, there was some great distrust of the soviet leadership and the soviet union, but it seems the other side. we read that, in general, president roosevelt. here he differed from churchill and wanted to somehow negotiate with stalin, if you could give a general assessment of the actions of moscow's allies in relation to russia during the great patriotic war. naturally. in my opinion, it is worth continuing this line of geopolitical analysis that we started and paying attention to the fact that, nevertheless, the third reich declared war on two fronts. which, by the way, german geopoliticians

categorically did not advise the hitlers to do, that is, the chaosfer said, either you create a block with moscow with moscow, such was a paradoxical moment in the spirit of the fact that our hero of the russian german or the west with america and england cannot be fought on two fronts. and hitler started. well, on two fronts, so he did not, from a geopolitical point of view, join either the heartland or the land civilization or the sea civilization, creating a problem for both and i think that britain and america, when they saw that hitler became an independent force in this conflict. they are long they were waiting to see if it would limit itself to hosting only, if it would become an outpost of western civilization. then why did the munich agreement push us to him, that is, i think, there were agents of influence of the same anglo-saxon, very serious powers hitler himself was an anglophile. he really did not want

this conflict with the west. but when it started, i think they went into a serious war with hitler and they fought, seriously not. i feel like begging anyway. this was also an existential threat for them, but of course, their task was not to give victory to us, because they did everything possible to ensure that moby alone was given real support, and not on me, but when ours began, the power of our people of our state began to show signs of victory, and here they turned on in order to simply prevent us from reaching the atlantic and if if everything had continued like this, we would have moved in this regard. i think their position was dishonest. it was , well, let's say double leadership with double standards, but it all fits into the same geopolitics and then the most important thing is - it was the division of europe into two camps and the strengthening of the cordon sanitaire. after that , they immediately

began to deal with eastern europe during the cold war in order to re -create a conflict zone between continental europe, that is, germany and france, let's say, and russia, that is, they are tirelessly engaged in anglo-british geopolitics. they don't sleep in the world. they use allied relations with russia for their own interests . enmity and war are in their interests, and they are always ready for them in the crimean war in this whole big game, but they never lose this line. that's what, well, just makes one wonder at some, but the coherence of the sequence of continuity of the geopolitical elites of the anglo-saxon world. they have the mackinder card in front of them and are not distracted from it for a second. and when we are allies, as in the second world war, and when we are allies of the vamtante, and when we are opponents in the cold war, the same geopolitical map and the same goal to subjugate, dismember, restrain the growth of land civilization, which is the russian

russian empire once modern russian from a geopolitical point of view, federations for the anglo-saxon british american strategists are one and the same and it doesn’t matter at all whether we commit any crimes against human rights, we persecuted ethnic minorities, arranged in a labor la. since it is important to imagine what kind of ideology we have, but the battle is secondary on a different level. therefore, the conflict that we are talking about today throughout this program crosses eras and political regimes and the names of states and ideological systems, but it remains war with the west, at least the holosaxian world itself. it's over. uh, long-term situation. rather than our ideological regimes and theirs and ours, ideologies are changing, not only with us, but also with them, and the war remains, therefore, if we talk about today, we have actually come to the moment of truth between our civilization

, the civilization of land civilization and the anglo-saxon sea civilization first of all lasts here is the great war of the continents, which in the continuation in the big game, which is never and never as we say necessarily about it in next segment. but i want to tell you. e michael is a very specific question. why did the united states drop an atomic bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki well, i can clearly say that even truman's words that a unequivocally said when we dropped this bomb, when we saw how it exploded in hiroshima and nagasatiya. now we have a club for these russian guys. i mean, it was clear. uh. show e to russia in moscow that the united states has such weapons that a can demolish entire cities and naturally. to consider that those interests

that the united states of america will pursue in great britain are their allies, and russia must give in otherwise, that is, it was done, not so much against japan, although of course due to the japanese tragedy. well , do you think that it was objectively first of all made against the soviet roosevelt already know, eh? he would use the atomic bomb in the same way as truman i can even tell you about russia, this is, in fact, the twenty-sixth e of february 1943 after the battle of stalingrad . well, uh, this former ambassador uh in the soviet union is very good, when uh, the whole europe of western russia uh, including france great britain

including germany should be organized. like a well-armed military camp to resist russia to contain it, a already m-m directly the conference of the forty -fourth year is not before but i apologize for the forty- third year shortly before tehran water future secretary of state, yes, he said clearly. uh, asking the british, what are you going to? and what are we going to do, and when russia defeats germany , won't germany help us to throw out exactly the word throw russians out of europe and , accordingly, thereby ending the x-ray plan war. this is the same thing, that is, to capture the russians before they give europe and an atomic bomb to scare the russians is not allowed. actually become that great power, which she won with the blood of soldiers, when there was no opening of the second front, after all, uh, from the day of the promise of the second front. we remember that this is june

of the forty-second year, the moment of its opening, june, forty, the fourth , only 5.5 million soldiers died on the soviet german front. i didn’t watch, thank you dmitry should ask you about what happened immediately after the war there is a full sky version of churchill’s speech that the soviet union stalin hung up the iron the curtain that divided europe that the united states great britain that they wanted for a liberated europe democracy freedom to determine their own destiny, and the soviet union in all that territory, which the soviet union after the victory over fascism controlled that there the soviet union established its total control? threatened the rest of europe, this

forced the organization of nato and c. in general, all historical responsibility for the conflict that has arisen, and the west and the east, all responsibility clearly belongs the soviet union, led by stalin, is so it is not so. it's completely one-sided. uh, the western point of view, which has, well , not much to do with reality , in fact, the soviet union but objectively needed a security buffer after the great patriotic war. b the soviet union strictly followed, uh, the agreements on the division of spheres of influence in europe in fact, the united states began to violate the uh, yalta-poddam agreements, the united states began to prevent germany from remaining together occupied, and in the future it would become a single neutral state the united states created. the buffalo trison of west

germany integrated west germany into nato, this was a fundamental violation of the potsdam ones. uh, agreements, cold war. unfortunately, it began when the second world war had not yet ended, and again, geopolitics teaches that the cold war was inevitable, but i would dmitry continue the idea that it was the united states that unleashed the cold war. ah and then in every possible way, but supported her. i would tell you very briefly about the tragedy of george kenan. e is a person whom i think everyone knows, and the author is a long telegram, and the author of the article is the origins of soviet-soviet behavior in the form of a face. you know, kenen, uh, was really the author of the theory of containment, he argued that there was no alternative to containment of the soviet union, but forty-eighth forty- ninth years. he fundamentally revised his point of view and quarreled with dean attison, ah. he stuck to the united states secretary

of the united states in the year forty-ninth, because that george kenon began to advocate cooperation for peace with the soviet union against the cold war, believed that peaceful coexistence was possible, that it was possible to overcome and prevent the institutionalization of confrontation and build what franklin delana roosevel once advocated and this marginalized kenan inside the united states, he was fired, everyone from the state department became him. and almost an ally of stalin. but this idea was expelled, just in the fifty-second year, and just because with ken he advocated a neutral united, but neutral germany outside of nato which, by the way, was proposed by the soviet union in exactly 1952, too, but the united states did not support the idea of ​​kenan in the united states was defeated by dean atchison's approach to the struggle of existential struggle. with the soviet union, in fact, this is how the institution began

to be analyzed, the cold war. hey, thanks dimitri. we're going out for a break and after that our discussion a and we'll talk about the current situation. and how can one look for a worthy way out of it, a way out that would correspond to russian national interests. thank you gentlemen officers, we have a difficult task because of the corpse that you all found on your ears, maybe it's time for you to get someone, of course i'm not that girl anymore. i am a translator 12 years ago.

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east and west what started as a special operation. it looks more and more like a serious war and the west the united states in the first place and the uk are going on more and more new rounds of escalation, but we are told, which is generally nothing to worry about. here's what president biden said most recently, new shipments of american weapons , including abrams, pose no threat to russia, these weapons are for advancing on russia. we want this war to end as quickly as possible. sounds promising, but here's the problem. apparently, president biden, for one reason or another , could not share his expectations, and with

the ukrainian wards of the united states , because this is what he literally just said president zelensky about the possibility of negotiations with russia, let's listen. if you can't sleep at night and you're alone with your thoughts, did you imagine what would happen if you were alone in a room with putin that would help end the war. i'm not interested, i'm not interested in meeting with him to talk. why because we met with him in the framework of the normandy format even before the start of a full-scale invasion. i see that this is a man who says one thing and does

another already too late too late too uninteresting who he is now after a full-scale invasion. he's nobody to me . hmm nobody. here, uh, president biden and his administration. they say that new american weapons, other nato weapons, are being provided to president zelensky for the sake of achieving peace in order to strengthen ukraine's position in the negotiations, but president zelensky clearly has a completely different understanding of the situation, while his advisers have an understanding of the situation. if possible, it goes even further. that's what he just said adviser mikhail podoliak, as he sees the methods of war between ukraine and russia the logic of war and

the escalation of war inside the domestic market of russia will inevitably be in another reality there, like moscow petersburg yekaterinburg and so on. everything will be subject to the escalation of the war. but this escalation is an internal problem of the russian federation, i hear it. uh, that there will be such strikes, this is an internal problem of russia, that is, apparently, uh he means that russia is either bearing blows. by itself. i get the feeling that it's just uh, these people are uh, mocking some normal logic, but uh, it's pretty obvious they're not interested in negotiating. and what, when they talk about, in addition to the weapons that they have already been promised, that they be provided with modern ones. combat

aircraft, they mean, not just keep these aircraft on the airfields, what to impress the russian negotiators? general buginsky you are good familiar with the situation on the fronts of ukraine and with the conflicts between russia and the west. and what, uh, who can produce and what forces can both sides use in this confrontation , can these new weapons, uh, help ukraine carry out the plans of mr. you know e. i have a firm conviction that, uh, our western former partners, they just drove themselves into a corner. for the past year they have been repeating beating their chests that they

kosmetili will fall, but will not allow the defeat of ukraine e. the victory or rather the defeat of russia is inevitable. a bunch of analytical articles there are statements by politicians both in the united states and in europe that they believed that the ukrainians believed that they would really win and what would happen to them? uh, biden is already repeating a prayer. we will help you as much as necessary, well, about the strikes on the territory of the russian federation there, what the pole just said there. e. well, you know what they launched two soviet drones. there's a little converted and one flew to engels the other. they still flew to some target on the territory of the russian federation, this does not mean that they have some kind of opportunity, uh, to hit targets deep in russian territory, yes, and frankly speaking, as of today, the americans do not have such means . uh, so that e from the ground, not from the air

, regardless, namely, the earth is a parasite of the target in the depths of the russian federation, but in principle, here, seeing this escalation, they see it. the pace of e-e deliveries, well, by themselves there are 30-100 tanks. uh, they uh, naturally. it is impossible to underestimate this, but all this talk, that they need thousands, in principle, theoretically. of course they can put a thousand. e will become with them, but it seems to me that they are moving by leaps and bounds. and to the fact that they will soon have to choose russia if they say so, moreover, if it comes to aircraft, they will be forced to strike at targets in poland, romania, slovakia , where delivery is carried out, unloading before picking. uh, these uh types of weapons. as for airplanes, i

so far i don’t see the possibility for them to be based on the territory of ukraine, which means they should be based somewhere on the territory of the general. i'm sorry that i perceive what you are saying now. a very serious thing that you didn't say. uh, before you say that russia will have to be forced. yes, of course, transfer to the fight on the territory of the enemy, regardless of the fact that these countries are the championship. and then the united states will have to decide. eh, whether to join them. uh, for your allies, how are they like biden? again, he beats himself in the chest, that i will defend every day the territory of our allies, because i think and biden, despite uh, all of my, so to speak, starting there, well, i will not call these medical terms. still , he understands that any armed clash directly by the armed forces of the russian federation is a direct path to a nuclear apocalypse. illusion. there shouldn't be any here. there are people there who do not

understand this, but they think that there are people who can explain it to them, so i once again repeat the first russian federation but only in extreme circumstances, can go for it. and so, let the americans decide for themselves, but i think that the latest decisions are the supply of weapons. they are connected with the fact that in washington, london, brussels , berlin, in general, they came to the conclusion that e is some period, and the difficulties of the russian army and tactical e, luck e ukrainian, that this period has come to an end and that for in order to prevent the defeat of ukraine that some drastic measures are required, but this is not the only disappointment that uh, the opponents of russia had another disappointment, of course, is that there was no serious opposition, huh?

inside the country, you will notice that less and less, and in the west they write about russian oppositionists about people who decided to leave russia about people who, oh, very cruelly criticize russia, and not only how the war is being waged. and here is the very fact that russia here has decided to defend its interests firmly and they don’t talk at all about other people who are becoming more and more now with us on telem. and vladimir grubnikov head of an important volunteer organization man. ah, great courage. you were , uh, in a ukrainian prison. they accused you of all kinds of political crimes. you were introduced as a prisoner of war exchange and here you are. uh,

they headed it, as i understand it, they didn’t just lead it, they created a new volunteer organization that helps the russian army, we could say in a nutshell. what are you doing? yes certainly not political crimes in the first place. i was accused of sabotage and terrorist activities. well, basically, uh, but it doesn't really matter right now. i would like to talk about something more important, uh, first of all, about the fact that hmm , that's how it was, and correctly noted, the west is helping ukraine with weapons. and uh, maybe uh, this help just says that uh , just ukraine is losing, and therefore the west, uh, means, u doesn’t let you actually lose, if you pay attention to how the word began, then at first, the west in general, uh, waited just watched and waited. and how

the situation will develop and did nothing, that is, the better we fight, the less likely the west is to substitute something, the worse it was, or the more likely it will become impudent. first, deliver later can. in this, this moment itself must be clearly considered and understood. this is the first second point. uh , western cooperation but many people say that the supply of weapons has begun. that's just from the age of 22. in fact, the supply of various equipment, unofficial supply of weapons, and so on. they were from well , the fourteenth year, at least a plus, of course, this is serious work with personnel, which the west conducted the training of officers training personnel training in various areas, that is, they specifically made a point from ukraine, spears, which the shaft of which they held themselves, but the point should be sharpened as much as possible and smeared with poison as much as possible, therefore, this is the main function

ukraine has no other functions, it must either fulfill its function of destroying russia, or it must break it, but it should be noted that this supply went in different directions, for example, in the directions of that. dirt for example, that is, the coronazi army. she is from the fourteenth year. eh, i took things very seriously. for example, the digitalization of communications is the transition of a huge number of divisions to a digital communications formation to the dmr standard. uh, for this , equipment was used, for example, from the same motorola company , which now, for example, you cannot buy it with sanctions for the russian federation. that's why they seriously prepared for war. they sharpened the blades of strelok pi- seriously, so now we must understand that through proxies of ukraine we will be revealed by the entire collective west. this means that we must fight him as effectively as possible. this means that we must surpass them not only numerically, technically, and so on. well, surpass them

in all other respects. so, uh, including. uh, if there are any problems with the russian army, for example, digital communications. this is how i would like to point out certain points, yes o these moments, uh, they are solved, including at the expense of civil society, and when certain problems arise, for example, there with the same excitement radio stations, for example, with insufficient communication, that fighters often have to buy, for example, analog communication, because they don’t have any. well, i have, for example, a unit of the people's militia, and this is being solved by the forces of the wonderful civil society of the russian federation, which monitors the situation as much as possible, which is involved in the process as much as possible, which helps in all possible and impossible ways, and for the military, the people and the army are united in this regard . here, uh, what you're doing is working for the army now. that is, for example, women weave camouflage

nets there. and i do. these large candles are made by potbelly stoves, for example, with their own forces. yes, uh, someone donates money in large quantities , someone, but brings in automobile transport , which is not very much on the front end. yes, this is because there are big problems with road transport. here it should be noted that our opponents work systematically and there are , for example, moments that civil society decide. maybe, for example, to provide, for example, the missing thermal underwear. yes, for example, there are military personnel or forms. there are those that can only be coordinated with the military, for example, and provide e with the same connection, that is, it goes directly, and coordination with the command is coordinated with units. that is, that the volunteers supply something, but the head of communications takes everything there. that is, this is all building a network and so on . that is why we must win, and, uh , the more the majority of the population understands this,

the more it is included in this process , the second, if given to military personnel. and everything that is possible and trying as much as possible get involved in this process. thank you and thank you for having us and of course. thank you so much for all this great noble work you will thank you thank you. eh, well, for me, here's for me. that's what more and more people in russia are getting involved in this kind of work. it seems to me very important. and andranik, when do you look at russian society today? is my impression correct that while the voices of the opposition are often the loudest and the most noticed? in the west, that part of russian society, which is represented by vladimir gruppnikov, that this part is becoming more and more active and

is doing it without any order, without any administrative resource. if you want, well, according to the voice of your heart. well, i think it's obvious that a huge number of people who left here for different countries. riga is there, i don't know, berlin and so on, who broadcast from there. they once again proved that they did not understand their country , moreover, they misled their own european and overseas patrons of the japanese. in fact, there is a contract between russian society and the authorities, the authorities do whatever they want, as long as they leave society alone. and if suddenly broken.

this is how such an agreement seemed to be, the point of view is that this is not your point of view . they will move on to some measures that will require some effort from society. here the power will not resist mobilization. this is the collapse of the power of war, there magnification, scale and so on. this is the collapse of power. the economy will collapse, everything will fall apart. they turned out to be wrong in everything, because i was shocked. they convinced themselves and the west saw everything that is happening right now in the opposite way to how they assessed the state of russian society. that is , i cannot say that today we already see a mobilized russian society ready,

like this young man. uh, so, uh, do volunteer work, but i see that in society there are a huge number people who have recently and the mood to be more critical of the authorities even before the war, they begin to think that their state, their society is threatened very seriously. eh, a very serious problem. and if you do not mobilize today, it will probably be too late tomorrow. here are these things. i'm watching. you said, uh, about metaphysics. and i want to ask you a metaphysical question. and president biden is proud and, logically, with

reason to be proud of how he managed to build the entire collective west against russia, there really is such a unity, of the west i. at least. at least i didn't see it, and i have to be honest, i didn't expect it. yes, in my opinion, president biden himself did not expect such a degree, but they don’t talk about it in the process, uh, in the west. i'm getting the impression more and more that russian society has also rallied, that some new organic connection between the authorities, invisible to the growing connection, has arisen. leading the war and mobilization, i mean not only and not so much the military. how much is the mobilization of all the resources of the country in the name of victory and e by many in society and how andranik said to the people. uh, there may be

different points of view on this and i know people who uh had a different position than the russian authorities in relation to ukraine, i know such people. i'm just watching. how to measure how it is a situation, how it is a war? whether it's hybrid in many ways, the real one continues to expand in the eyes of so many people. it seems to me that the patriotic war is becoming and how did it start? it's not so important for them anymore. it is important for them that they are opposed by the power and will of the collective west and this, of course. a very important source of russia's strength in the confrontation with nato and, er, with other opponents of russia, your opinion on this issue. i think that what we

are already in is within the framework of a special military operation. it just doesn't fit, a special war. the operation does not involve such a massive involvement of the people of society, when we say that society is already taking part in this conflict, and not only in new territories, but also in russian society, and more and more is included in this confrontation to call it a narrow technical such a point operation does not turn its tongue either in afghanistan or in chechnya, either in the first or in the second, and in the chechen company we did not turn to people, we did not involve these huge masses in this confrontation, therefore , i think something is wrong. uh, as he said, wonderful. this is a man, yes, a simple one, huh? the person who speaks, but he is not quite simple, he is a candidate of medical sciences, and in general, a well-known study. that's fine, but in any case, a person who was in prison, who is engaged in a specific specific activity. he tells us, in fact, some

metaphysics, just world history that our opposition to the west. this is an absolute existential conflict. an ontological conflict is a conflict between two mutually exclusive, if you will , mutually exclusive civilizations. we could coexist if we were given the opportunity to be russian ourselves and build our own eurasian civilization, and we never denied them this right to be the west, but they don’t want to. so they want everyone to be the west, or not to be anyone, and in this russian, what you ruled very much today told the approach of the west not necessarily the hitlerite biological cultural technological racism of the west that's the whole point, they are not allowed. the existence of other civilizations about russia, the periphery of the outskirts and the garbage dump of their civilization, deprived of sovereignty, deprived of independence, deprived of culture, deprived of identity,

not only the state does not want to be. that's what's important people don't want and people sometimes. now included in this confrontation is more even than our state the state started it, but then the real processes began metaphysics, when suddenly our population. it would seem sleeping, immersed in domestic issues. i woke up and realized myself as a single russian people open to other peoples. they proved that they understand what the unity of historical destiny means. they rushed to the front to save the state. and now i'm finishing the last one. i think this is the most serious and most terrible war in our history. this is the main war, the one in which we are entering this is not a local conflict. when we talk about a truce about some treaties, yes , we want peace, we want an end and we are experiencing this tragedy, which each of us, in one way or another, some to a greater extent , some to a lesser extent, through their own loved ones experiences. and this is very

serious. er, a serious thing, but nonetheless. we all understand that the end of this war can only be our victory, only our victory. it is our right to be a people, to be a state, and in this respect there are contradictions between society and the authorities. no , i think that it is obvious to us that, most likely, before some e comes. progress in the negotiations, which are now in general, they practically do not go, that, probably, before that there will be more serious tests and very real challenges. well, i also think that's what shows. now russia is giving grounds to those in america who do not want this dangerous escalation and are not ready to die. uh, for ukraine to seize crimea. it seems to me that these forces will appear.