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only sparks are missing to the yeast to collect. me good night everyone! who does not sleep to everyone who watches podcasts on the first today we have a literary podcast. let them not speak, let them read, of course, we will talk today, but

we will speak precisely in order to awaken in us passion for the pleasure of reading passion for reading good and different books and we are today's guest, a wonderful poet, dmitry vodynikov, we will start a conversation. e with what you've been doing in recent years. you have taken up essay writing or published or several books of essays they have gained popularity, some of them i have here is the last book that i would like to talk about in more detail. this book is called the immortal dragonfly. one name what is worth. and how did it happen, how organic it is. why did it happen that poems for some period became a thing of the past and these texts appeared, which can be called an essay, you can also call it once when i was 15-16. it may even be 13 14. i suddenly began to read the soistics of the bloc, we know the bloc as an outstanding, perhaps great poet, but very few people know him

and the soistics. it was very cool. i opened it and got up to read it. i have never been able to write anything. similar to prose. she just never gave me the only record i experience. well, except for of course , this is how your studios are, because sitting in your studio you can only experience envy, how beautiful it is, i experienced this library, but finally, i ended up in the library. and hmm i tested prose writers. i thought it was an amazing thing when you kick like a spider. and this text is not poetry. and that's some lesson that you agree. it can't be done. it was out of my mind. unable to cover the problems and suddenly, when the poems left. they are gone. i already have something to consider there, by the way, me. i've been writing poetry, really 29 years, 25 years. i told her, by the way, i'm now 54. in total, 29 years old, if i can count, although not a fact, but everything equal to three decades - it's almost round yes, yes, the poems have recently appeared again, but

we'll talk about this when the poems are gone for 10 years, and i suddenly realized that i can weave a knit rose. it's a completely different story. it's a completely different knit. these are completely different things , you perceive it as prose, yes, prose is beyond my power, beyond my mind there are real prose writers. petrushevskaya tatyana tolstaya leo tolstoy dostoevsky. yes i am no i can i can't write stories. i can't write novels. i can write. i only know that i am very fine. maybe i'm better if i can write, cool. yes, damn, ultimate sincerity. i can write very good lyrics. aesthetic word sincerity. there it will come in handy again, of course, but e, it is generally accepted that the word essay was invented by a rebel, well , or uh, canonized him, or what? yes, his book, which we call experiments, this is lessa. you will laugh. i

always go back to the past. remember blokovsky 13 14 years old. uh, at 12 years old. i read coins at another dacha. she was i read these experiments to manten. it seemed to me that this very cool huge books. three tomatoes have short things. well, what is an essay, this experience is not in the sense of expiration? what do you mean try? yes , i know how to say exactly in english, e he er, it seems to me that maybe i'm wrong. i , unlike you, was not so keen on him. he is in his childhood, maybe he could write anything, but to a dragonfly, and smells about the morning about homeo. remember what an amazing phrase i don't remember who said it. god forbid, if i came up with it myself, or, i dreamed of a dragonfly, or i dreamed three times. here it seems. what this is the key to the essay there must be some kind of angle of view sliding, you understand, yes, there must be some kind of sliding story that is not completely clear who

dreamed of who, who dreamed of whom and the montene shows it just like that, because you already remember , that the antenna first has one statement, and after a few pages or a chapter there, it has the next statement, which contradicts the first, it’s clear well, this is actually such a french culture of allah foucault logical aphorisms, but you still essay, in my opinion, is not about this hmm i think it's not about that and not about the block. it seems to me, yes, in the sense that i had about the block. you probably know that, uh, he was a very sickly boy, and he had some kind of constant sore throats, an interesting fact. here, in fact, the essay begins with this. it does not begin that alexander alexandrovich is a great block, the russian poet begins with this son. when she was little, he had a lot of sore throats. and it was generally believed that he was sick. you understand from what, that is, and then you can enter some kind of emotion, right? that is the key it's a key it's a key with which you can open a small, secret door. e in a very

small e closet, of course. well, that is, we can assume that i am the ocean there and now we could, yes, without leaving the studio, but if you look, by the way, i could come up and try to open there there is no door. by the way, i suggest you make a door somewhere. it's a good idea to have a door, you know, so that you can go in there and try to open it. i think that e soist dmitry vednikov works exactly like this, but opens the door. do you have it called a key. i call it a door for myself. e door, which, as you have now correctly formulated, is based on an unusual angle of vision. yes, for some emotion , for some kind of happiness, in the end, positive things with sasha. yes, look, we just said on the coals vision, a terrific idea on the coals on the coals. coal, his vision is still coal fire. vision you understand that in fact, vision, however, there is coal. it's either fuel, or color, or action. well , you know, burning out? now you have already started

writing an essay. we just didn't see the door. well, coal has a vision, well, here's a provocative question. eh, how old am i? no, how old am i? i even know from your books, because there all the time they rush about, measure off at judas, and so on and so forth, but still my provocation. that's what ah, an essay is a key or a door or an entrance to some kind of joy, some emotion, some kind of coal vision. what is the name of how we are not necessarily joyfully, it may be anxiety, it may be anxiety, but still, and how interesting it is for others. that's what counts here almost said poet, what the poet expects, you know , i noticed that dmitry, i noticed that when there were no poems, and you wrote some post there now. banned or currently allowed network does not matter. yes , a good post by and large, post - this essay is short. of course, and some enthusiastic people came to you and thank them for their

delight, people who said dmitry borisovich this poem and you always twitched, because you always understand the difference. here you are between the poem, but they, well, relatively speaking, they thought it was written in such a berlibre, yes, which is simply written in the form of prose, but you know the difference between berlin and just fasting, come on, you know the difference between lyre and prose, it keeps on a different pull . remember akhmatova said that e poem, just remember, she raved all the time about her this yours without heroes, that the main difference from all the others, and genres is that thrust in the poem should be carried out by thrust, what did anna andreevna mean the big mystery of the furnace in stoves sometimes. gorgeous traction or traction e whirlpool, and remember the mandashtama when he keeps his eyes shut on his own thrust. he himself also

treated paper like a dome to empty skies. and this is actually the answer , and you always clearly understand that poetry differs from e, the best, in that the connections there are broken or created in a completely different way. there is a whirlpool there. yes , the baronco that is addictive can be, uh, this one. no. it could be vera or there is another funnel there, when you stand in my way so young so beautiful again, i will offend you, - he said. i once when a girl came to me. she stood in the doorway with frost and smelled of perfume. do you feel the difference between the first block that i started reading? yes, and sex, which seems to be the same words and also not the same, yes, it came from outside. explain, it's almost impossible. we always feel like it, i guess. i have favorite places, in general , you can guess it from the books of money, now we will do and this, but let's try if i got to

the point. here is an essay called very symbolic. let nothing end badly very uh important in my opinion thesis now you never know where the text will begin. that's how it will end, sometimes you know, and how will it start like the earth and the sun to give out? and, that is, all the same. which text more seems to end its final verses, i will tell you in a different way. do you understand what's the matter, when poetry comes, do you get sick? uh-huh now akhmatova said not well, remembering some simple woman who helped her with the housework spoke to another woman just as simple. she andreevna let her hair down like a deer, which in itself is already ridiculous. he walks and hums. here is this strange dismissed the hair of a deer that walks is buzzing, this is a sound that has come to you and you cannot signal the glasses. and it's

not necessary. there, perhaps, in fact, it might be drilled, but it comes to you. i would not grieve to look for ways ta-ta-ta-ta. you fly, you write this pathetic quatrain for 2 days, because first it comes to you. mayakovsky spoke about this early, you go for a goal. and you have to pull. by the way, please note that i brought ta-ta-ta-ta. i think i'll finish this line. it's just the first aging that came after the break. i didn't finish this line, it's gone, and that made it better. well , you see, yes, this is a gaping deed, he composed ta-ta-ta for me. and listen, i really, i forgot about it music. uh, poems come to the ghouls, they come to excitement. they come to you not good essay comes to the image and ideas. still different things. you understand no. when you write a creation, you see some strange clot, light. this is the first floor here, that is, the highest. so it's

amazing, but poetry. this is the first floor. well, by and large. this is a roof verse starts from the roof. well , yes, you understand so yourself, yes, if graphically, of course, that is, such a roof, then some strange blue belly and then golden dew. what is the roof all this growing? where and this is the verse. he came to you, he speaks to you in a strange vocal language, and your task is to write down an essay. i have a lot of respect for people who write essays because i know how difficult it is. you rewrite it too, but it comes to you in a form and thought; the poem does not come to you with great cherdyntsev in the novel. nabokov's gift begins to write poetry. oh thank you thank you. e. he is recognized by you, he thinks he is proud to release the first collection, and then suddenly, it turns out that this is a lie, and in the end, that you are not recognized as evil. dahl, thank you all turns over, in general the best novel is on its side, yes. and by the way, the question of poetry. you understand that i'm into this little secret.

i was told not to go out of the light, well, like, if you're already sitting down, sit like this, notice that i leaned back a few times and went out of the light. here you come out of the light only when the poem is written, when the poem is written, that is, it remains already, right? you can lean back out of the light . i see. well, here, uh, we will conclude the first part of our program and talk today in the window of the book. this is a very well-known book , very understandable, this book by ilya grigorievich ehrenburg, the thaw, but it is very important for me that the viewers remember that there are paper books too, they are worth the shelves. yes, i caught myself that, uh, i became, uh, from some point on, buying books, not only of the 19th century. i not a collector i buy books only for work and for reading, but also the sixties. and even the seventies are also history, and uh, we know perfectly well that the word thaw gave

the name to a whole period in the development of the soviet union, we won’t repeat the platitudes now, but this is a production novel and it was criticized very strong and i just never forget. uh, how does it start the seas personally worried the word is given, comrades bryanin get ready for comrade cow, that is, we think that this is a steam meeting, and there chekhov was discussed yes there are discussing. oddly enough, and in fact, no matter how hmm succumbed, orenburg to criticism. this is generally the last prose book that he wrote, but still, despite the criticism. she was very important, like a human face. here to forget the fifty -fourth year. but, after some time, a poem with the same name also became a landmark poem by zabolotsky , it was written earlier

. here are two works under the name of the thaw of zabolotsky and ehrenburg, further the name of a whole period of our truth to tell, but not in all who do not have a thaw, you never know who does not have pasternak 48, e . i think about this speech and when one did not know about it, it is never very important. it's very cool what you said, it's a book. e, stands on a shelf and talks to you, even once you don’t take it in your hands. this is my favorite idea, as i love it. it's your ideas that books talk to us even when we don't have them. we open that on the internet you told me, yes, that the file does not talk to you. do you know how you got it? yes? yes, you downloaded it, but the book is still standing and do you remember how you bought it? you found something you will give, and who gave it, do you also remember why you didn’t read it or, for example, yes, and it costs you a little in

the garage or you want to argue, right? or at least it happens in one word, a paper book is also. uh, now we are not fighting culture in any way against modern electronic technologies, but it is still important to understand, and the fact that books are not a museum piece either yes, because this book is just from my bookcase, but nevertheless a witness to the time to throw away the books. well, it's very difficult for me. they are alive, like animals, because it's not for them. god would have asked this question to throw 20 years ago you were simply torn to pieces. well, okay. yes, but now, when in fact this hypocrite has subsided, uh, they were throwing books away. you know, practically not, but the worst thing i did was put it in the entrance, it happens. still no garbage can. but still in the hallway. yes, i had such a began to endure books. and by the way, here is a very important point. you will never take something out of the apartment and take it away. eh, never to the conditional parser. this does not

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there are still poems here that are directly related to our interlude, i clean the room again. i'm scared. it liked books. so i guessed again. that is, we again guessed each other. it is very nice. the room is being cleaned again. i sort out books. it's in the trash, it's in the trash of georgiy and on to deliver and what is this empty, a pretty little notebook, i'll leave it for beauty. we will definitely leave this. nadezhda mandelstam is ours for some reason. i say here we are, although now they are flying alone, tchaikovsky lena schwartz eduard limonov is my nickname of a loser. by the way, why didn't i throw limonov out, because in fact, his diary, a loser - this is not it, i'm eddie, yes which is a cult book, yes or some other? why couldn't i i didn't read, even this is a loser, and i flipped through it in due

time, why can't i throw it away? this is a very serious question that no one here will answer right now. no well, for some reason there's a book that you really can't get out, even if you haven't read them, never read that you're not going to no, but it's just like a kitten that you met in the yard. you are hard on him. why one kitten? maybe i'm talking about books now, u can fly, well, not fly, but to be rendered they are, of course, not emissions. i exhibited them, yes, so that they would take them away, and you will never put one kitten out of the door. why? well, yes, this is a mystery, but i think that the books will say it again, they will speak to us. uh, hmm, not at the moment when we slide through the lines. yes, we looked at the binding. we talked to you about the sides. agreed with you about lemons. we agreed with you about bakhmatova and hmm, when there is a material fact, our conversation, a material object is filled with some other content than if we were sitting somewhere at

a lecture and talking about books in general. here we see the typeface, we see leading lines. there is such a foreign word witches as papers , after all, books are alive. so they are alive, but we read them very differently, because there are books that we never read from the first page to the last, we probably even started from the middle, there are books that you start collections with this is not necessary, collection. an essay, for example, it could be, well, a collection of short stories. it may maybe even roman seems to be his solzhenitsyn - it was in the cancer ward. remember, he is reading some book with the cover torn off. well , it just so happened. it's disrupted, and he can't understand, because it's not our new system there. yes, where it is printed, on every page, the authors name, yes, and before that they only called the title was called, yes, and he reads and is very angry and agrees and disagrees with the author and don’t remember who the author is. no, i do not remember. this is leo tolstoy well , that is, there is a book here that interrupted the book,

it turns out that you can read not only the middle it can even be read anonymously. and yet, she will punch you if there is one to punch, so read the book from anywhere. the main thing is that she refrain from this moment until the moment. how do you close it and it’s not a fact that you won’t close it before the final, well, it’s understandable, but uh, modern man it’s just arranged in such a way that he expects some information from the text, if the text is long, then we remove the tackle, it’s like that. uh, well, i understand, i understand. yes, but nevertheless the long text is annoying. yes, longread is annoying, that is very often literary text. uh, it's not me that annoys me, of course, people who think that there are too few seconds in the courts. yes, that's why he lies on the couch most of these days. yes, here are the tv shows, for example, they watch tv shows, i don’t skip ads i don’t skip ads, and the book, as it were, is too complicated. hmm , it’s complicated. that is, such an algorithm

that you spend a lot of effort? yes, but it’s not obvious, but if you think about some there, e line, everything is a sacrifice to your memory pushkin is a simple understandable pushkin, it came to me in head. i ask students. which means everything is a sacrifice to your memory. it means that, uh, i donated everything. if only you remembered me. is it your memory of me or is it my memory of you. and what does it mean to sacrifice your memory? that is, here you can pick up 5-6 values , that is, reading, in fact, is such a massage of consciousness that we have lost, we had calluses once here, now it is impossible to write a pen. imagine what a dragonfly question. i mean my book. yes, i'm not talking about the book now, but hmm for me it was revelation because, you know, it's not about the dragonfly. yes, there is about everything else, but i, uh, not so many references, except for uh. krylova yes, uh hmm dragonfly and ant, and in literature, especially in e. great gold yes, our

russian literature is not so much interesting and i wonder which one you mention. i have blanks to mention heard chirping, uh, dragonflies. uh-huh or something. maybe it’s not the arrow, it’s the rustle, finally the arrow there , it’s the sound that is heard or the song of the dragonfly, it’s amazing, because the stuffy air is silent, like a premonition of a thunderstorm. ta-ta-ta heard the stump, uh, dragonflies dragonflies, right? yes, the dragonfly does not sing at all. he meant grasshoppers. i specifically became the discovery. this is indeed a literary study that the dragonfly does not sing. she flies in general, but she flies silently. she can't be heard. these are grasshoppers . that is, we still have dragonflies fake in russian literature, but not quite like that, because taking into account something, there is no picture at all, he has such a global picture. eh, a picture of a dragonfly, well, no, you can hear

the night of the world's silence. what is it, is it somewhere night somewhere? all this is symbolism, i'm sorry, but if you say meow, kitten, you say kitten meow, like this, and not quite like that, but i have it, but we drink tea over the abyss, listening to the chirp, uh, cook. yes , it's dragonflies and meowing. the kitten sleeps above the abyss. i get it, but i have my own dragonfly. hey, i'm getting ready. now arisen. well, this, of course, is arseny tarkovsky a. hmm remember where he has the dragonfly. i studied the grass to open the notebook and the grass began to sound like a flute, i loved the correspondence of sound and light, and when the dragonfly sang its hymn between green frets, passing like comets. i knew that any dewdrop is a tear. it’s amazing and it turns out that she doesn’t actually sing, and he writes not because he heard her, but because this dragonfly came from krylov

that you all sang this thing the dragonfly does not sing, if we have it, if god sends us viewer, i beg you, look, gentlemen, and ladies, look, really. eh, really. is the sound of a dragonfly heard, because if the sound of a dragonfly is not really emitted, but simply there is some kind. well, you see, yes, the butterfly also gives here some sound that she's flying? we hear something there, if there is no specific sound, then krylov and tarkovsky also write. to me they exist for four owners - this is the most amazing. well, in general, the image is beautiful, it's wonderful. i think that you write about it, because why is it wonderful, because it turns out that the word is stronger than life. uh-huh no, dragonflies that sounds, but all russian literature. just because of tyutchev's misuse of the word dragonfly, her voice rings. it's brilliant, but there in every rustle, bone-scraping wings

further at tarkovsky. e knew that in every facet of the huge eye in every rustle of the summer there was a pro-facet about that, here's a trick there i took from krylov clearly check the lord, i beg you, lord ladies. check. i think, i think this is going to be homework for tonight. but we will still talk and , uh, well, there is such a puncher. this is the new sincerity. we promised to return to this word. we return to him. and i very uh, loved and love. eh, your books, but now , perhaps, you can say before, i don’t know of course, yes, here i have two e's in front of me. this is a book of holida, a book of poems, and how to live in order to be loved, but thin beautiful little books. and then there were big disputes, then it was, well, the turn of the eighties, the nineties, the first half of the nineties. uh, so then there was a discussion about whether c can

be preserved in poetry? well, sorry for the term, a lyrical hero, if anything, you can. but the vodynik proved that he can, yes, i am ahead of him. uh, we are who, well, a whole play, yes , which tell us about it, because these books they captivated by returning to direct statement through all sorts of modernisms are absolutely right. when you said it was in the 90s and 90s there was so much talk in literature that everything about postmodernism is completely wrong, because postmodernism is not a freebie. it's not boring. it's not about constantly quoting postmodernism - it's a challenge. when you say that there is no up, down. yes, you can really perceive it as a tragedy, as a drama, as a comedy. there they were perceived only as a game. well, okay. yes i did not just rearrange these cubes and balloons, inflated and launched balloons. this game reveled in the complex, but the readers did not

understand, well, understandable, because the readers did not hurt him this dragonfly. by the way, the most predatory creature one of the most terrible terrible. yes, she did not fly in and did not try to eat him, you know, a giant dragonfly, therefore a dragonfly, as the first plane, other forces tried to eat, but they are a melodious dragonfly, which, as you know, does not sing. i could not exist in this air. and i realized that i really need to do something impossible, some kind of inhuman feat. though weak and no enough person. i need to start doing and say that there is no direct statement, perhaps why it was invented. this is the devil his new sincerity, because the new sincerity, in fact, was led for the first time by dmitry aleksandrovich yes , just in the game sense, well, i relate to this. yes, and it was. it was my ministry. uh-huh . i mean, it was a ministry. this is curious for the ministry, of course, i understand, i told you from this we began to tell you that the essay is not can be a service. an essay is not a ministry. your job. it may even be your gift of

thought. this is some kind of thought, maybe a service, only something magical elements - this is magic. yeah, and this is the fire that you save there or coal, remember, right? well, that was it. yes mine is very loud. but yes. this was my ministry. i quarreled with the right people. i've said a lot of stupid things. i am very sorry about myself for the stupid things that i said about all my arrogance, and all my hypotages. please forgive me now separatists repent of their mythical sin. yes, yes, i did it again, i would do it, but it's understandable, but look, not everyone perceived this as the discovery of something new. rather, it was a rediscovery of the old usual. you need to be loved, well, you really need to, but you couldn’t say that. at that time it was impossible to say, because remember what it was. eh, how they how they explained postmodernism. this is when you used

to be able to say i love you. and now i must say, as i once said, the hero is such and such. i love you. this is supposedly the highest aerobatics. he has already worked. he was not interesting, even if you do not say something, as said it is. it's still for you. as he said, what needs to be done so that she returns to poetry. i love you. you know, my child, who is now big, once was small, he had such a postmodern project. who is telling me? dad, come on, uh, let's write a book, sign it with my name, that is, uh, he called his name. so the book will be like this. once i sit, and i consider a novel on a bench. anna karenina goes further nakorenina to the last further the end and the last phrase. what a wonderful novel you are closing? yes, well, you've already said it somewhere. i'm on the air. no, it's amazing, but it's a good good story. eh, then you don’t need to write anything, everything is ready, but this is not leo tolstoy, because it is, as it were, a hybrid of single-rooted ones. you came up with a very good

trick. here you can include the key thing, then you have not paid anything from here. uh, all possible attempts to teach writing to correctly arrange words. if behind this experience, but you can't do it, it's not right for words although then you already work on it too. you yes , your task is to make a person break through the walls. i have something attached to your this. uh, there's a vault to crush your own wall your bones your own inertia your feelings, what can you write? and then you start writing. i have a very good example. hey, i have a young student. well , as a young adult, he's in his 30s . he wrote me a poem that was trite. i do not remember anything. i said, dear misha, what about?

even if we don't really want to. yes they we grew up and continue to serve them. by the way, they did not really hear me healthy parents whom we love, the more the person who is delighted lies, which has already died on the other hand. we serve nothing useful, this dog does not bring us dreams, it takes away health through its outside. naturally, but serve