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we meet again. my name is larisa guzeeva today we will talk about ivan sergeevich turgenev as my guest. historian egor yakovlev thank you for came. thank you. in general, talk about the scale of such a person. it seems to me that if i had been born to such

parents as ivan sergeevich, i would have been a murderous maniac. well, if you talk about who he was, mama, papa is already terrible, really. sergeevich had a very difficult childhood, a very destructive family, and not in the first generation, because his mother, varvara petrovna, was also born in a destructive family, her father did not beat her very much. and her mother was also a cruel woman. well, it just so happened that she inherited a very large inheritance and married for love, but her husband did not love her. it was a fine, cavalry guard. a very handsome man, gollant. uh, very poor and money works wonders, and he married for convenience. he married by calculation, and they do not love their wife constantly cheated on her. this, of course, left an imprint on family relationships. therefore, it was all in front of the son

of little vanya, of course, in front of the son, and not a single one had three sons, unfortunately, the youngest son was more likely to epilepsy, the wound died, and ivan sergeevich down. i watched all this and was, in fact, a victim of these relationships and a victim of the character of a despotic self-righteous mother, who was very cruel towards the serfs, and even towards her children. sorry to keep. eh, souls, slaves, the same yes but from here ivan sergeevich will bear the impressions that i later described in notes. oh fuck, so i want to say that if our brilliant writers did not have such a life. such uh, nightmares in their lives. uh, could they become steel, but i'm interested in another ivan sergeevich sang all his life. ah, female beauty. yes, the nobility of purity. it would seem . yes, everything should be, on the contrary, all his

heroines should be vicious saltychikhs. uh, but just horrible bloody bars. no, well, he has one bloody bar, if we remember, the textbook story momotor is just an image created based on the communication of his own mother. but part of our lives we met other women, and he loved many of them, and he loved one of them all his life. she papinga also influenced his work. yes, the story when he really loved the girl, and the girl became daddy's mistress, yes, this is the story that formed the basis of the famous story first love. there was a neighbor about turgenev, even our repentant beautiful young girl, whom turgenev fell in love with. she played with him, but in the end reciprocated no answered a. then he found out that she was the beloved of his father, who, among other things , cheated on madushka with her, and it so happened that you don’t know, shakhovskaya, by the way, a woman, a gifted poetess, lived a very short life

tragic just 21 years old. and this is another trauma that left its mark on the character of ivan sergeevich, you are a very small soul and killed and disappeared serfs in front of the boy. and this is not his soul i want to spark, and i didn’t kill him. and here you see the disappointment. everything from a squiggle, of course, turgenev was a man with a very problematic childhood with a problematic youth. and it seems to me that these experiences left a serious imprint on his attitude towards a woman. here are other neva women. it's very you speak fine and clean and decisive heroines of his work. and there are other men who are not talked about at school, these are not decisive men who cannot decide in any way. uh, overcome some difficulty, overcome an obstacle and achieve happiness. but no, and their happiness is to be classical

henpecked in this happiness, in fact, no one, but the exact one, well, he didn’t derive the formula of happiness, but ivan sergeevich found happiness, joy in that they would love to become a slave of their own. it seems to me not quite, because, but he had such an experience this is an experience. yes, they burned it, yes, but in general, now it will come. well, it seems to me that ivan sergeevich was simply afraid of relationships. i'm from marriage and was afraid of responsibility in this marriage, and this fear. well, of course, it stemmed from the unhappy marriage of the parents and this unhappy childhood. well, look, i could afford to buy a serf, because i fell in love, and i could give birth to a child from a serf, and yes. hmm, there the story was more complicated, because uh, of course, u ivan sergeevich, with all his wonderful works, was born in a landlord family, and he was also a serf-owner and yes, he had an affair with avdotya ermolaevna ivanova, who was her mother's dressmaker. and

this novel was noticed by my mother, she was very jealous. by the way, to all the girls of both his eldest sons, but there will be a scandal. and vasilievich left her mother and only after er, 7 years. he knew after eight even years. he found out that he had a daughter. well , i didn't know it, and it's only because she does it. and yes indeed. rubbish yes, deprive that unfortunate one. not only did they dishonor you, but they practically threw the child away into the street. well, how can this be very was a cruel woman, she mocked, scoffed and encouraged others to do the same. here is turgenev. actually it was identified only for one simple reason. she was terrible , she was worse, if we compare the photos of the adults of polina yes, and in russia she was called pelags. here is this girl. she really is very similar to ivan sergeyevich. that's just it. arriving to her mother in 1850

on business. i'll tell you what i found. here , guess that my daughter, 8 years old, is strikingly similar to me, i can’t describe the feeling to you, which caused me to see her. imagine that i'm not even remembering the features of her mother's face , i'm not exaggerating at all. whence such a resemblance, in which there should have been , e, imprinted mutual love, looking at this poor little creature. i felt my obligations towards her and i will fulfill them. she will never know poverty. i will arrange her life. as best as possible. you can imagine what a painful impression this meeting made on me, that i changed my mind about everything that came into my head. about god. oh my god, now i feel like i would adore a child, whose face? reminds me of the features of my beloved mother. this similarity what is this similarity? what a mockery, this is to whom he wrote a letter, this letter is written along the line

with which he was then. closely familiar, but here 's what's interesting, but in this letter he talks about the mother of this girl, she is alive, she is alive, she still works as a dressmaker. turgenev writes that he wanted to visit her, but did not dare. he didn't even remember her face 8 years had passed. he no longer remembers. it was her face that was slept on, and he writes that in his interpretation of er, it looks like. so the mother really wanted to get rid of her daughter, but we don't really know because, uh, the other side couldn't tell us their stories. so when already, uh, took my daughter. i ardui raised her, and her mother asked ivan sergeevich yes to meet her daughter. he didn't allow it. well, there was no communication. yes, it is not clear how a woman would say she was a negrad, but my feelings for her are something. what the world never knew

than what never existed. and what never can. it will repeat itself with the very moment when i saw her for the first time in such a fateful moment. i belonged to her all the way a dog belongs to its owner. i could no longer live anywhere, wherever she did not live, i broke away at once from everything dear to me from the motherland itself set off after. behind this woman in german fairy tales. knights often fall into a similar stupor. i couldn't take my eyes off her face. i could not hear enough of her speeches to stop admiring her every movement. i'm right and breathed up after her, what was it was flash, of course, they got to know each other vividly in 1843, and he is 25, she is 22, and he is still far from the same ivan sergeevich turgenev in whom we know, he has practically not written anything from his great books, and she is already a star, and her loud glory began in russia, she came here on tour with her husband for control. just got

married for 20 years. yes, 20 years older than her. she is a singer and an amazing woman singer, everyone described her as very ugly or a film of skulls, then said that well, it’s impossible was to look in full face, only in profile, yes, and even in textbooks e literature. i remember this marvelous profile of pauline viardot amazing only the rest is beautiful. yes, she was not pretty, but she was slim and even thin. she had wonderful, black hair, intelligent velvety eyes and a matte complexion until old age. her mouth was large and ugly, but as soon as she began to sing, and there were no flaws in her face and speech, she was divinely inspired, being such a beauty and mighty and such an actress that the theater trembled with applause, flowers. they poured onto the stage and in this enthusiastic show the queen of the stage was hiding behind the falling curtain. yes, it was love at first

sight, and he was introduced to her as a terrible hunter. and a bad poet, then he leaves europe and is next to this family , and he will stay for many years, and sometime later, andre maurois, the famous french writer biographer of turgenev will say that if dima were put in front of turgenev to become the greatest writer for the whole history of literature, but never see pauline virtuet, neither a faithful family, or stop being a writer, or but be a janitor for a family, and he will choose the latter as a horde. well, i think it's for the red word. look, well, her husband was fine with that kind of neighborhood, and let's start with his wife. i understand that he was aware of their uh, intimate relationship. let's start with the fact that we do not know, in general, whether there were these intimate relationships? here, uh, there is not a single clear evidence of this, they waited and everything was calculated

exactly after nine months there. ah, a son was born. of course, they say, because yellow press and rumors and gossip they were and so on. well, maybe they were. or maybe not, but this connection was, after all , primarily spiritual. it seems to me that they were very, very interesting with each other, because polina ivana sergeevich were people of high culture. these were people who had many very common interests. and and here is this mutual interest. uh, the ability to enjoy intellectually with each other, and became the key to the strength of their relationship, as it seems to me, i can’t say that i am so sparkling cynical, but i don’t believe their relationship, and without intimacy without this passion, what could be such a depth of feelings, in fact, which led to the fact that he entrusted her, and his finances through his daughter. yes, we went

to education. and she accepted, yes, the daughter. legal this is not only her passion for money that turgenev had, but they don’t have it with her husband, not quite like that after all. uh, we have a stereotype that ivan sergeevich was very rich. why not very rich? well , for example, uh sell the village, the estate some estate and spend it on a word to decorate it. uh, some of her pranks there. why not? it could be a stream, when my mother died before the death of her mother, for these 7 years in this mother was alive ivan sergeevich was not rich. he depended on his mother and there were times when, on the contrary, polina and her husband. money was narrowed to ivan sergeevich, not vice versa, so here i would speak and his lawyer is there, but really, that's what he trusts her with his daughter. why do they just trust? he's just her universities, what

to do with her daughter, because everyone knows that she was born illegitimately, that she is open to the foundation, and it is polina viardov who offers this way out. uh, bring your daughter to france , because in france no one knows this, she will be with us as a pupil, and no one in france will just watch. and this really allowed the girl. eh, to get a relatively normal upbringing on formal grounds in france and turgenev recognizes it. that is, she will bear the name polina others. that's what will let her do uh to join, then very it would seem that a good marriage by social standards would not marry an entrepreneur, the owner of a glass factory, hi but all the same, daddy sucked money, still wrote, complained. ah, come and so on. in general, her life also did not work out for her daughter, as she was tormented from infancy. here it is evident that on the one hand she became a frenchwoman. she did not speak russian. she was such a classic frenchwoman in terms of upbringing, education,

worldview and so on, but at the same time she is from russia dragged all these problems. yes, uh, in which she grew up, but the problem is that her relationship with polina did not work out for her, maybe once again. it just seemed that polina was right for her to pay little attention to her, damn it, she grew up in her own, so she was sent to an educational institution. after a while my mother again took the little one, o whom i wrote to you on sunday, to her, this saddens me, because her position here is, of course, disgusting. to make something out of her, like a servant and i want to make a princess out of her, but also well, you understand me, i wish that she was free and she will be, but nobly. of course not, he made her free. it was he who provided her with this advantageous marriage. he helped her after all sent her to france. yes, she got

a great education and uh, he fell in love with his grandchildren and helped and helped to the very end. well, there's some serious trouble, my dear girl. i must tell you frankly that i was not very pleased with you during my last stay in france . i discovered some rather serious shortcomings. you are touchy conceited, stubborn and secretive. you do not like to be told the truth and easily turn away from those people whom you should especially love as soon as these people stop pampering you. you are jealous, you are not trusting. you love to communicate, only with people whom you consider below yourself, your pride becomes similar to savagery to being touchy even towards me, who has never done anything to you that could have you. to offend listen, well , after going through such humiliations, of course, she will assert itself on those who are below her, everyone wants revenge, you understand? in general, i don't like it. by the way, i'm not happy with these letters. turgenev's daughter. you are touchy, you are

conceited. listen, it was you who made her like that, so you go up to the mirror and accuse yourself of tearing off her mother to give grandmothers to this cruel idiot, then someone else's aunt in a foreign country, who i don’t know what happened there with closed doors. and here is this, incidentally, interest. here he writes. you're touchy something conceited. here's who she's on offended, here we are talking about no offense, ivan sergeevich was offended, whom her mother did not love and did not finish, and so on , because maybe he wanted her to kiss his hands because he was the same to her. he says, i did not do anything bad to you, except good, and you instead. to thank me endlessly to thank your benefactors. you are still offended by them, if they don’t endlessly pamper and praise you, he still stands up for pauline, because he stayed. what's wrong with your daughter

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because they are 100% natural. so buy pyaterochka pancakes profitably. this is a podcast of letters. i am larisa guzeeva and the historian yegor yakovlev is visiting me, these are about love. do you believe that viardot and loved turgenev yes, of course, of course, she loved him, and ivan sergeyevich loved poleno ivan sergeyevich loved the finger that ivan sergeyevich was a russian spy no. uh, the fact is that ivan sergeevich turgenev was really a propagandist of russian culture in europe, uh, and uh, sometimes desperately. he even defended the glory of russian literature. uh, in disputes with foreigners. well , for example, such a case with william so and ray

told him that there is no russian literature. and turgenev told him that sir, despite all your satirical talent. we have , uh, a writer who is superior to you in every way. came, who is it? this is gogol's answer. turgenev yes, i don't know anything like that in prison. yes, yes, not for long, though only for a month. he was imprisoned. the fact is that in 1852, when nikolai vasilievich gogol died, ivan sergeevich wrote a heartfelt obituary in which gogol was called a great man. this censorship in st. petersburg banned. but turgenev nevertheless managed to shove this text through in moscow, and yes , he was arrested, as they were contrived. uh, at first he spent a month in prison, and then he was sent into exile for 2 years on his estate. that's how pushkin was in mikhailovskoye, so turgen was spassky, and here, by the way, there was an interesting story, because just at that time he arrived in russia and turgenev is one of

the few who are directly very decisive for him deeds. he fled, it was impossible to leave his estate, but he fled and met with polina , although she was a threat. well, what serious there were so many noble young ladies around, who would not have had time with great pleasure to marry ivan sergeevich turgenev, who says, i propagandized all russian russian culture and russian literature in this way. for some reason, i jumped that he bowed to the west. no. no, he and he fell in love with this gypsy, as she called him, mama. eh, married. uh, without any prospects, it means that something is in she had something that was not in russian , uh, beautiful women, well, she fell in love, she fell in love in the end, that is, it's not that she was not russian, it's that she was so she was very good with her. and he couldn't get away from her. here is

the main reason. do you really think that there was no between them. and that same charismatic love. eh, the intimacy of these passions. e that it was all at the level of the soul of intellect. no, maybe there was, i don’t know for sure, i admit that it’s possible for me he was a bachelor all the same, well, he never married, because this love for viardot. he will go through his whole life 40 years 40 years. i think so. so, for a completely different reason, he did not marry. no. i think that he did not marry, then for the simple reason that he was afraid of marriage. in general, he is not striving for this. there he approached the projectile several times. he had several attempts. he was torn with polina vr well, he came to russia, he liked some girls, there was flirting. uh, and he had one like a platonic romance with maria nikolaevna tolstaya, sister of lev nikolaevich, and this is very cool. almost got shot. yes, not entirely because of this. but yes. this complicated their relationship. eh, but what

happened there there was a story, as with polina verdunu, but in the miniature of the seas nikolaevna was married to her distant relative thick valerian. and and uh, the relationship in this marriage was also destructive, not only did the spouses not love each other. valerian had a fortress gorim. uh, that is, he cheated on his wife literally from right to left. this is a fortress. at the worst izvode, uh, valerian was outwardly very ugly. turgenev called him. the eighth village henry he was very fat. well , of course, marie was very hard with such a husband. well, how turgenev behaves, he is friends, and that's exactly how it is in the wiardou family. he is friends with her husband and communicates with his wife and with her husband and walks with his wife and with her husband and with his wife. well, he starts flirting with maria and they like each other and other friends write what seems to be lovers about their feelings. she gets divorced like that, but uh, i think that some biographers of turgen make you too

sharp about her divorce, because she still didn’t go to turgenev, but from her husband, and then she went to a monastery when it didn’t work out. uh, when ivan sergeevich didn’t take it, you understand, these are completely different judges. here you are men, you argue like that, and for me it is absolutely a tragedy. she is getting divorced. he is not a woman on it goes to the monastery. what is a monastery? yes, this is the end. eh, earthly life was not quite the way it was, so, firstly, ivan sergeevich definitely did not promise anything, and could not promise it was. not in his spirit, a, and i repeat that she left neither to him, namely from her husband a, and a rather long period passed between mary's departure, maria's divorce and her departure to the monastery, and between that time he had an affair with another man. she went to europe and met, there, a nobleman viscount, uh, from whom she gave birth to an illegitimate daughter, and only after this man, from whom she gave birth to an illegitimate daughter , left her. here it is completely. she left sergeevich still nothing to do with it, although leo

nikolayevich tolstoy noticed this flirting. and he wrote that turgenevskaya is behaving correctly with masha, such a thing really happened. well, how is this connected with the same story as with the jord? it seems to me that he felt comfortable with tolstoy when there is a woman. yes, she is married, she has such a stable position. he flirts with them , talks to them. well, no responsibility. and with polina , it’s true that many men love married women, because with no responsibility, and you don’t owe anything to anyone. you have love. you have an open relationship. he's not afraid of you because she will never take it. this is a family, because yes there is a fear of losing a husband, and so says, that is, many men are so arranged they say that e men. yes, everything is very very satisfied with roman for married ladies as long as they are not going to divorce. well, judging by the fact that turgenev never did. yes, the suggestion of a viado, with all

the great love. and yet this is the west, there were freer customs. uh, divorces were allowed. why not? i don't think he wanted it. neither she lacked anyone. i i think that there was such an agreement about everyone with everyone and her spouse - you know what confuses me. and when he lost his mother and name, and he got to dispose of everything. yes, but i'm a little too hasty. e, said that he sold himself a small estate and went to buy himself , er, pamper. oh, my beloved, and so on, then there was also a lot of money put on the daughter , yes, which, finally, i don’t think that she directly spent and that’s all, yes, it was beneficial for everyone, but even then no one interfered, not even the mother could not interfere. not her old husband and everything. well, here we must bear in mind that we will not hide the question of such a benefit. uh, westerners are more

pragmatic than e bars. no, i don't think it's just about profit. i think that these relationships, they seemed to become closer, then a little further away, but in general there was some kind of connection. here she held him. she kept him because he was interesting to her, er, and she was very interesting to him. here turgenev writes in the sixties an unknown such, small well-known novel, he is considered a creative failure. although undeserved in my opinion. there are two heroes litvinov and potugin. uh, they are both in love with the same married woman, and she keeps both of them. well, well, potugin is a slave who sits next to her and is ready to fulfill her any order, plus even. well, here's a potential lover, even if she's just, well , a potential lover to bring to her. and when did litvinov give him such an offer? being such a slave is done, he breaks through decisively and leaves for russia where the action takes place in a bathhouse. and so, it seems to me that turgenev is

torn between these two scenarios, but the scenario of a potugin was closer and more comfortable for him, and therefore also to keep several men on a leash, er, at his feet. e hmm yes, there were a lot of these very ones, but i’m here in what is unique - there were certainly many novels, and there the composer of gogunov and the artist schaefer and badensky, the princes are many men, he was always surrounded, but ivan became a truly close and family member sergeevich adored him. elina had children, yes, but it’s enough to read the correspondence. let's say put it down. yes they called go like one of the daughters of vr dual as she writes they adored. they could not pronounce his last name and called him not turgenev from turglin turgr. damn,

i love him so much. here he was his own for them, like a kind uncle, such and it seems to me that when they were dying, and turgenev, and in the same year with louis, would return in a few months. after that there were, of course, very old people. but still , there was light in these relationships, not a single woman will refuse the love of such a person. and, of course, she needed the greatest love writer. e could speak beautifully and was not ashamed with him, but on the contrary, counted to appear somewhere and when at your feet, but hmm yes, a great russian writer. he then gave up. why not on this one and others flocked, of course, who will let go of yourself? in the elegance of the mind, the beauty of the young turgenev had a lot of attraction, of course. she liked it. i also liked his love for her, but she did not hurt him, he had no power over her.

she did not suffer for him, did not suffer, did not shed that blood of the heart that love requires. well, yes, when turgenev died, she was 3 days did not leave her room. and when her husband died, she was the very next day. uh, gathered students and taught our taught music. yes, classes have already begun. this is the case when he loved e, and she , let's say, let herself be loved, but at the same time, e and the allied side. it seems to me that there was also a lot of affection, just hmm and she left less sources about it. yes, she destroyed, by the way, her other letters. yes, yes. here we basically have the letters of ivan sergeevich of the book. and that's what she redeem? well, he lived so to speak, she was practically in the soul and turgenev all her fortune and left she had the opportunity to do it. that's why she edited the relationship history. and perhaps we can say that. but perhaps

she eliminated something that could compromise her in some way. in general, i think at that time yes, but in russia europe was already naturally enlightened, this is the relationship to russia in which there were slaves. well serf slavery is the same slavery, or maybe marriages were considered then. here we are already furious from the alliance. no, maybe it was unusual. maybe they would have turned away from her if she didn’t have such a thing, it couldn’t be one thing, slaves and quite another aristocrats, there were a lot of such marriages, and of course, and a lot of russian girls married europeans from a good family. yes, from the aristocratic and just from the nobility, on the other hand, foreigners already on russian girls came to russia on and made careers there, that is, uh, uh, the upper layer was international and you know what's the matter. here turgenev's position was unique. see. turgenev was a european, even a world star, because he had