[000:00:00;00] which puts these possibilities in doubt and i am very interested in your opinion alexander, because you are a person, again, thinking at a different level, not only at the level, if i may say so, of analytical logic, but also of high metaphysics, firstly, do you agree with my observation and secondly, here's how to deal with such people , you know, firstly, uh, it seems to me that biden did not affect foreign policy, in principle, you know very well about this, because in america in the american in the american voter. it's in generally not interesting. this is also important, that is , we should not forget that for them it is generally indifferent to them, they are interested in internal affairs. but here is what you are saying o o who are we dealing with this is a serious question it seems to me that the matter is more serious, that just now and how 4

years ago and still there under obama yes, and throughout the western world, uh, precisely the understanding of that the victory that was achieved when the soviet union collapsed alone, as you quite rightly noted, but it feels that it must be held on to preserve and strengthen this unipolar world. or as the crowdhammer called the unipolar moment to stretch. for as long as possible at any cost, the rise of russia, the sovereign russian rise of china, certainly poses the most serious challenge to this globalist unipolar model and domestic opposition to populism in europe trump is being challenged from within. these are the most radical globalists who believe that this unipolar moment must be continued at any cost. this is a biden, and it doesn’t matter where in general or not, the people who she relies on are both competent and less competent

and resolute and indecisive and possessing jazz and not possessing it. they all rallied. here in this, if you like, the last fight for the continuation of a unit of one-centered unipolar hegemony, but there are other whole spectrum of those who disagree with this both right and left on the american society itself, which believes that it is straightforward to maintain this hegemony in the presence of a new russia with the confidence of the new china, the rise of the islamic world, the new politics of india, the desire for the liberation of africa , latin america, against all this, is simply so you can't fight head-on. and here it's not so much even jazzmon. here we need another strategy for salvation. their own hegemony, for example, the famous example of kitty,

jor, who understands that he must go. we need to show flexibility. and those who started this war, who dragged and unleashed this conflict in

ukraine, drawing us into this, this, this situation, into this struggle for our victory. they actually work against it and when they stand their ground, when they don't want to do work on the mistakes, when they don't confess their crimes and sins. they make the situation worse. this is my personal opinion. it is not in the absence of competence or such prudence that we are talking about two strategies towards the same goal in america and in the global elite. and these radicals, by the way, blinking. they also met with him. they see they look like doves, but in fact they are hawks. they are for their unipolarity. it's even damn, when he even asked, when trump was president in amsterdam, we had a controversy. i say well president trump he says to you, no. i’m saying it’s not trump well, trump says no, that is, it already resembles such bolshevism, that is, absolutely yes, they

just show the reds no, it’s not red if it’s and it’s a radical force that really puts the world on the brink of destruction. that is, these are nuland fanatics. sullivan they don't come. they are just fanatics, this is a fanatical fanatical group of people who radically seek to destroy any premise of any multipolar measure. and there are much more subtle cunning politicians' voices are not heard today. not heard in america, and not heard in europe. they are also demonized for them. trump was like putin in his time for people like biden, because he offered to rely on american sovereignty on america as a nation state first among equals, but not the only one, but not the center of this global liberal empire. and it seems to me that this is the biggest problem, and therefore the elections in america are of such great importance, because either one sees flank or otherwise. this, of course, will affect the fate of all mankind, because america

remains, of course, the largest and most important power. it's dangerous, of course, if such fanatics rule, well, i fundamentally agree with you, but again, i have a very interesting opinion on the drone , because you, uh, lived in america for several years , you know many of these people, and uh, and as i remember your reaction to you, then i was pleasantly surprised by the openness from the outside. uh, many of these people, including senator mccain's treaty including, uh, ex-secretary of defense robert gates in general. it seemed that u u were talking to judge not people with a completely different political position. but now something happened in a different direction. like what does it mean? this is true of dmitry , the fact is that after the collapse

of the soviet union, when karen bruttons released his book, the former, he was the first deputy, head of the international department of a member of the central committee of the book. brilliant about that period of detente, and he asked me to write a review. i wrote a review that was called not considered famous. so how said that if the pond wrote the philosophy of poverty, and marx poverty is philosophy, i would write, not counting politics , because they did not count leaders, because there are no leaders in today's world, but no, this wise old man is just for me, then he already it would say, surely you know that this phenomenon is not only in our country, it is everywhere. naturally, today, both in europe and in the world, and i wanted to say, therefore, about what i

would like to say in a different way, what is really happening. these people are all because they are petty herbal. here, uh, well, people who do not rise above such momentary problems of some kind that need to be solved either from election to election. and since in america there are elections every 2 years, a person cannot even come to his senses, and now he is in heat all the time. i think that what, by the way, is missing in america right now is not present here. uh, vyacheslav alekseevich, otherwise i would have argued with me in america there were brilliant strategically thinking people, brilliant, by the way, dmitry, you didn’t name another one. he's on me made the strongest impression is

a shard of blood, that is, these are people. i must say that several american presidents have made a fantastic impression on me from the last two presidents. in general, i consider the most brilliant president after the second world war, who was very unlucky. it's richar nixon. this great man. why did kissinger suddenly turn out to be such a star and a superstar, but, because nixon did everything, and he was threatened with impeachment. he was forced to leave and all the glory and everything. the results went to his assistant national, but if nixon did not have at the same time, listen today to such thinking, who may have, on the one hand, 73 year seventy-two, he comes here

and the soviet union, starting from detente. and in the same year he goes to china and the chinese come, and he opens china on the one hand. he wants to normalize relations and thus neutralize, if possible , the soviet union in its various actions in different places, and on the other hand, by opening china, he immediately makes this huge country a potential, adversary, deterrent factor to the soviet union and the second president, outstanding. that's why i remembered a little bit . and by the way, baker is his secretary. but of course, presidents should always have a taste for it , understand it and see it so far. this is still not paid tribute to him, although sometimes in the american analytical literature they write about it. power, that is

, will cope with the disintegration of the world superpower with nuclear weapons with all these difficulties, there and so on, this is the administration of george w. bush. he, of course, for them, in fairness, he coped very effectively in terms of american interests. yes, of course, dmitry , here i am. of course, i was, but i would say, that's what i would like to. here is a short continuation of the topic. you are good. it's good that you noticed this . who knows how he would have behaved with an emerging russia if he won for a second term, but he did not win for a second term, and therefore who knows how mike mandelbaum a number of others who said, listen, russia should not be dragged into

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your side. i've been waiting. there's a big game on the air and we're discussing the complex and sometimes very difficult relationship between russia and the western world, and most of all, the growing confrontation between russia and the united states, which is, frankly, uh, a relationship that moscow and washington see very differently, but there is a group of people in russia who are now mostly not in russia who, in general, see relations quite like washington and kiev. i want to approach this topic, but the russian so-called radical oppositionists. but very carefully, because i just 50 years in america, i left the soviet union and they

never considered that the fact that a person left somewhere makes him a traitor. i also never thought that, uh, if you do not agree with the policy of some government and express this, then there is something prejudicial in this, and even more criminal, having said this, we, firstly, of course, we live in a very unusual time and it is unusual. uh, because even though it's called a special operation, we actually live at war. or, as minister angel lavrov said, there are almost wars with the collective west and, of course, when it comes to such a war, let's just say disagreements that are tolerable and even constructive under normal conditions, such disagreements can turn out to be very dangerous and every society, every

state has the right protect yourself, but there is another thing. which for me is especially, if you like, incomprehensible and i’m not afraid to say, particularly outrageous is the degree to which a certain part, unfortunately, not a small part of radical russian revolutionaries is not limited, and criticism of the top russian leadership is not limited to criticism of the russian political system is not limited, but criticism. and, if you want russian foreign domestic policy, but openly says that they are enemies of russia, that they are in conflict with ukraine, they are definitely completely on the side of ukraine, that they fully desire the victory of the enemy

of russia, ukraine and when hostilities are underway , you say it’s not right not rivals, not opponents and the enemies are the most important thing for me. i want to tell you the most outrageous. it's that they don't just condemn the people of russia in every possible way, but they say that the russian people bear a collective responsibility. everyone , one and all, for everything that they don’t like e in russian politics, but i’m trying to understand who, apart from hitler, occupied this position. what can be considered responsible? he needs to punish entire nations. and nikita, at least, wanted to punish other peoples, and these people want to punish their own people. uh, here,

let's see what he says about the fight against russia, the former deputy state duma, or i'm ponomarev who now lives outside of russia, mainly in kiev, your colleague. well, the legion doesn’t have any special individual political program right now. uh, that is, there is a common understanding of what needs to be done, but now the main task is rather such a military one. yes, this is an increase in training ranks. eh, preparation and everything else, but we all understand, well, the main thing again, the fact that we have repeatedly been on our airs, but said that this war will not end in ukraine, this war will end in moscow and, accordingly it is for this final article of the war, and above all, that all these units are created. well

, here is the point of view. eh, mr. ponomarev, as i remember, he was the only one in the state duma, the only one who did that in the fourteenth year in the crimea, i remember exactly sent there, i don’t remember if he was alone, but as i remember, uh, one. yes, he boasts he is a refrigerator, yes, well, well, he is a man of such a specific position, he is really alone and frankly has lived in kiev for many years and connected his future, and with kiev well, let's listen to what the channel is saying now before the rain, and i followed the rain channel. for many years, especially when they worked in russia, i never agreed with my views, and sometimes their, as it seems to me, frantic criticism, to put it bluntly, made me dislike. well, i also thought that

after all, these are people who can be useful participants in the political process, that they can highlight some shortcomings. and that, in general, it's nice to have an alternative perspective. they are now the ultimate foreign agent and they are of course now e live and work for the most part outside of russia and they have a conflict with the latvian authorities there, because some of their e, columnist. uh, i allowed myself, as they now claim, to dissuade, saying that they may have some desire, but to help with something like some kind of humanitarian aid, and the russian army mobilized mobilized, that is, uh, trying to separate, but the russian question of freedom of speech, the freedom of latvia, the free halt of the euro and, uh,

the latvian authorities immediately declared that this betrayal. uh, a real hysteria began in kiev, and the person who said this, uh , was immediately expelled from this freedom-loving. uh, tel station, what struck me is that recently licensed. this i recently watched on the rain channel as uh one of them uh leading journalists explains the choice they made they feel guilty of what 's going on all christians because because they were born in this country. they must somehow be responsible for everything that happens, and they , uh, say that even if, uh, some man er, does not approve of the policy of the authorities. and he expresses his uh disagreement. you are not enough of course since

they were born with russia they have to answer and sometimes it is even said that such slavery is in the genetic code of russians and that the only uh way to deal with this is to divide russia into parts and force russia to surrender. e your nuclear weapons. well, how would e install behemonia over russia , which russia should accept, but, and there they are already riding a white horse in a tank, they are riding a tank, as tanks say yes and uh, like they open, they say, they will start their democratic order by organizing purge indicators. this is stated in plain text absolutely. what to do with it? you know, i was once criticized by our large journalistic community. when i already became representatives

of the parliamentary majority party, for this i was not in the parliamentary majority until 2003, when united russia won and i was asked then there was a constitutional majority in the house. but is it good that you have a constitutional majority? and how do you look at the fact that someday you will lose the election. i said , you know, but hmm, when it’s not scary to lose the elections, then it will appear in russia. eh, real. and the so-called systemic opposition, because the opposition is the division of the system and not the system. so in the house this one is systemic, so on the street that one is not systemic. i have never had any illusions. in general , never in the mood of the so-called non-systemic opposition, because i am one of the brightest representatives of this non-systemic opposition. a month later. after i came and mentioned here my work in the administration. and i came to the administration immediately shortly after the well-known events on e. hmm, bolotnaya square, a powerful

street performance, so to speak, there were 150,000 on the streets of moscow after the may massacre. he came to my office so he looked and said. well, all right, we'll come here soon, we'll, uh, we 'll put you all in jail. we, well, there even sounded about uh, there are stolypin ties and so on. and this is the person who, uh, drank the cognac of the former life with me, this is the person with whom we talked, yes, and he says such words to me. i then he finally developed a certain immunity for himself, that there are people who are for the country and they can have any opinion. i don't care what their opinion is. they may still disagree. do not agree. with putin do not agree with his. and in our country today, all sociology shows us, well, 80 to 20, well , that means 20% of russian citizens who do not go out on the square today, but they apparently

understand differently what is happening in the country today. i respect their point of view, because they do not say what we will arrange here. fire we will outweigh you all, and we will destroy this country and dismember it into pieces, the other part, and this is the problem. it's just that sv is like that. e is like that. as we have our piece of paper, which is just sitting these internal demons just finally brought out. they said what they always thought, they always lived by it, they really are people who live with the thought that there should be ashes on this part of the earth, which is called russia. it's really just the ideological heirs of that old idea as that the world should be arranged without russia russia is that place on earth that interferes with the life of the so-called cylindered civilized world. they are the fighters of this idea,

they are the infantry of this idea ; really e engage in any. as you said, purges, and they will be the ones you remember who, uh, surprised the germans with their cruelty. these are the most important collaborating policemen, the baltic vlasovites. russian e. ukrainians who did the dirtiest and in serbia were also the most terrible crimes committed collaborators in the most terrible croatian camps. it's the way it's set up. ah, political life today. it just became absolutely obvious and it seems to me that uh it starts. the main thing is to understand. even those who today may not agree with the policy of the authorities, who are critical of it, but they will never be next to them. this is a great merit of putin today , who, uh, created a certain peace in the country, which is consolidated around love in

the country ancient we have very little time. i really want to hear, and the importance of the introduction one simple on the other hand very difficult to question. and why do these people dislike russia so much? this is dmitry, i just wanted to answer this question. moreover, it is easy for manele to answer this question, because at one of your programs i even formulated this, so oleg, i do not agree with you that these people want only ashes to be here. i think they want another and i just know these people. i saw how they lived, how they worked, for whom they worked, they had a different idea. or should we govern russia or go to hell? this is russia. nobody needs it. either she is ours or she is a draw. here, as an epilish, of course they

will be yes, but they are and why, because all the nineties and part of perestroika? if you remember, in my opinion, you also remember alexander, because there was liberal dominance in the media. they are kingmakers, they have shaped public opinion. they dominated everywhere and everything. i even, well, the writer there is a public figure, salutsky said, uh, leonid uh. well, that is it says, listen, they forgot the holy soviet principle with their 70. well, strangers, as it were , who are not so creepy, 30. percent, and these say, they came , they seized everything and they don’t give us anything, absolutely here we are 100 and perish. well, that's what i'm saying, it's, well, they lost their chance, so they

are ready to burn. it's all the same. this is wonderful. i remember when we agreed with you. why don't you prevent communists from accessing television on the second channel, there and so on. no place name on channel two yet. i'm way position was. i, of all their personal well, alexander nikolaevich yakovleva, had the same position, these retrogrades. these reactionaries, in general, they cannot be put up for cannons. this thinking is total thinking, or you totally accept it or you don't accept it totally, we are dealing with a new form of liberal racism. this is not nazi russia, this is a nonikonistic class. this is pure, liberal racism and he is not affiliated with the nation. this is also religious. it's something religious, ideology, religion, and this liberal racism today demands that radical supporters of liberalism, as an ideology, were actually terrorists

, which he says, he recruits ponomarev, but he recruits the opposition of russian liberals who do not agree for those times to become accomplices of terrorist activities in russia today there is a difficult situation. really. they are absolutely right. they ruled, and many of them then became liberal russians. these were ordinary soviet people. they saw an opportunity, and in the name of the liberal hegemony , they establish their own order here. they didn't give slutsky was nothing to our people, a patriot, a wonderful person whom you understand very well, and he is simply not soviet, not patriotic, neither right nor left at all. they called us red browns , they were looking for a word for the soviet government, nothing can be said for some conservative orthodox monarchical system. not a word, not a percent, we will rule here entirely, but this is racism, and today they, being in the minority, will all be forced to flee their country. they become the centers of formation terrorist activities. foreign

agent today - it is already in fact, very suspicious. e term. this is not just a person who receives money from another country, in fact. this is a person who is engaged in subversive terrorist activities or is ready for it and, accordingly, ponamarev. after all, he was one of the inspirers of the founders of terrorist subversive organizations drg. inside russia, he justified the terrorist attack against my daughter and admitted against me that allegedly, yes, that is, we are dealing in real in dealing with people who already exist, they are embarrassed in their liberals to shed the blood of russian people, and these are not russian people of all our and soviet people. it is in a sense. lization, before the old liberal he said i would die. and if you have the opportunity to express an idea with which i strongly disagree. today is the new liberalism. he says i will kill

you. if you understand freedom differently than i do, but find 10 differences between the old liberalism, which can be treated differently, but the new one - this is something monstrous. if someone does not agree with the agenda of the new liberals, he is immediately declared a fascist. it is immediately considered an outcast, and even to trump they are in precisely such terms with him this is a liberal fascist. this is liberal fascism, a regular synthesis that threatens our country, but it also threatens the whole world. that's very important what america has to do with it today's american democrats are called the liberal wing, yes. sometimes in life people have to make a choice and as you said oleg rightly there are, uh, legal disagreements legal disagreements with the actions of the authorities. and that's good sometimes. this is sometimes bad. but this one is so arranged. this is how

it works, but there are times when history and fate require each of us to make a choice. and here's the choice. i had to make two tsarist generals, general denikin and general krasnov, yes, and neither of them was, but a supporter of soviet power, nevertheless, one decided that he should be with his people, general denikin, and the other decided that in the name of his hostility to the soviet government, he will go against the russian people. it seems to me that that's when russia is. in a state of confrontation, it is attacked by the entire collective fuse. this is the choice that stands before every russian person. before every russian. and i think that those people who have decided, but to stand in solidarity with the enemy and who, for reasons i do not understand,

are proud of this and even put all of us in the category of non-handshakes. these people. i'm outraged, but i'll tell you, honestly at the same time surprised by their stupid impudence, they really think we want to get along. their hands, they really, they really think that their respect for us is important to us, that for us it is a symbol of our status. it seems to me that these people have put themselves in a frivolous political discussion, to punish them not to punish them. this is not the issue that i would like to discuss today, but this, of course, is a big problem in russia in which it would be nice to have a serious position, but the opposition is a radical position that exists

today, they joined the enemy of christ and even this deprives them of their political voice in russia . they have ceased to be the opposition in this, and it makes no sense to be an opposition. it's not that worse than the enemies. of course, even worse are traitors and enemies. it was a big game. let's meet on the air tomorrow for vyacheslav tikhonov's 90th birthday

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