[000:00:00;00] oh yes, a healthy man to a healthy woman, because no matter how it was, it’s tragic, but love is there, uh, at the expense of your mezzanine, it’s possible there, like the heroes of one of the short stories, when they say goodbye to a woman says goodbye on the platform to husband and sits down, knowing that he is waiting for a real story. moreover, wu did not write that he himself was he who was sitting in this train and leaving with a stranger. he forced to shoot himself, then no, no one shot himself. this he made up, but uh, nevertheless, the situation was such that this person could have shot himself, as it were written write, but by the way, when i read it, i had the feeling that bunin was behind the hero who shoots, that is, at some point he suddenly jumps to the point of view of this husband, that he was looking for her. yes, in sochi, somewhere else in gagra, and then she does, the tunic shaved and shot himself with two revolvers. that is, i would at that moment suddenly realize that it was not very well understood. e point of view is precisely

here unfortunate. passed here is what sergey was talking about. that is, it seems to me that it is his position that most of all evokes a response. here men, but left with a woman, probably, he has a woman, rather, elusive. you know that the dream and here, as it were , there is a huge freedom of interpretation from the fact that this is the homeland there, that each collective portrait of this here is some social russia such from the peasants, when they were aristocrats. well, yes, elusive femininity. well, that's the very name of the dark alley. it seemed to me when i read that e bunin describes everything perfectly, that is, the food is delicious, wonderful. eh, there are beautiful houses, there are beautiful women. that is, i read now to adults man. i got caught thinking, what? i know all this. i understand that he took only the best, the most beautiful, that is, in all the dark alleys. there is something. this is poetic optics. this one. well, cheer.

singing the beauty of life with her pleasure and although the situation that she describes is real there are complex conflicts, but nonetheless. uh, in all of this there is the love of life. this is logical, because at that moment in time, and the world is collapsing and instead of indulging in despondency and some kind of black nostalgia. yes a person remembers the brightest thing that helps him survive and this, respectively, those pieces of a sketch of life there are such miracles by and large, which, uh, evoke warm associations in him inside. here and in spite of the image of slipping women, yes , some unhappy love. still. probably it’s not dark, not with paints, painted or not at all dark, although these dark ones yes, but it turns out that there is a certain light note in them, which is not

negative at the same time, that is, those emotions that you experience, despite the sad epo a lot of history, and in this book he took the title from some poem. yes, the poem is an eagle. i think that was the title of an ordinary story. alley of dark faces stood around the rose hips, it seems to me that dark alleys - it seems to me, an erotic symbol, that is, dark alleys. it's kind of, as if romantic, while the shadow can hide there and the heroine of this story, dark alley. she just says, marina, that everyone read poems about some dark alleys. she remembered exactly how here's a tool. e seduction can you say? i think that it is possible. moreover, since the beginning of the 20th century. this is still the era of freud yes and his course of his beginning of psychoanalysis. because if you are interested in analyzing russian classical literature and this one from the point

of view of freudianism. on the whole, these are very interesting social ones, since you can find a fairly large number of patterns there, and it is connected specifically with sexuality, for example, tell me an example that you have shown me now, or an experienced one. curious, these are just these nuances natural, that is, when he describes rather the natural environment. if you really find fault with, uh, uh, sigmund freud, then there are a lot of patterns that describe, and the curves of the female body, yes, and some kind of sensory zones. that is, it is very hmm well , there is still in the frame, not just within the framework. you just need to know how to extract it from the text. yes, even because it's not just within the framework. it doesn’t catch your eye. hmm , in order to, that is, such a directly bright sexuality, but no, of course, and what does this

mean, these are he talking about intelligence, that is, the most aristocratic, and those very basic which he actually brings up great respect for himself and others. it seems to me that a respectful attitude towards women also finds a place in the fact that he has these plots that he comes up with. it still leads to some justice. it, that is, for example, a is e, here is the final e yes story of the collection. uh, negro, in my opinion, is called about the dog, that is, e, the girl lives in a fifteen-year-old hotel. she is the daughter of the owner of the hotel and comes. uh, combs. well, such an image of some evil foreigner, which means a muslim, and she has, uh, a dog. e, which when he tries to rape her, the dog protects her and rips out his throat, but the fact is that e is

a parallel with the ballad story. there is such a story a certain wanderer comes, uh, to the manor's house in a village estate. at night she sleeps there and e. a young guy hears how she prays to some lord. volku asks who is this at all, what kind of phenomenon is this? lord, not a wolf and a wanderer, this kalika is passable. yes, such a strange, holy fool woman. she tells him that a certain story is also about how some evil prince chased the bride of his son, too , in order to take possession of her, but some wolf ran out of the forest and tore out his throat, but before his death, this prince managed to. it means to say that it is descriptive over my grave of this wolf, so that he repents and decides that the wolf was a just punishment. we asked for some kind of appeal to folklore or some legends , and yet, then he brings it out in the final. well, no matter how the real story is not the story of the satchel, but really such a parallel, and it seems to me that this is the defense. here is a young

girl, but innocent. adorable and that's her animal friendship. it seems to me, so touching and so striving for the light of justice, that is, after all, he always chooses. ah, out into the light. i would say so. this is such, probably, after all, but a projection of christian values. this is very interesting dark alleys. bunin - this is considered a classic of russian literature. at the same time, the authors. this is an immigrant, he seemed to be returning to russia, but we are still through these works we understand that he loved russia and his contribution very much. uh, in literature. this is e. well, let's put it this way, strengthening, yes, some of our values ​​and values ​​in general of our culture, yes, christian values. and by the way, i can’t say if he had any values, that is, well, at least they are clearly not read like that. they are read

most vividly in accursed days. that is why. perhaps he is, as it were, recorded as a white guard, because these are the values ​​of the reaction. it's the value of responding to some changes and not accepting them, but nevertheless. we understand that after all, this is love for russia, that we read his prose , we can definitely interpret it as love for this world, for these people, and for this environment. of course, new, as it were , love for the lost world, yes, well, love for the motherland that you will never see again. that's about the same, as far as i remember until the age of 44. that is, moreover, he had already received the nobel prize of that time. when i read it, i realized that a person had already written it, which could be higher than the nobel prize in literature, but still less. i understand that he was working rewriting that he didn't like you. it is correspondence with friends. it turned out that everyone

likes it, but i know that it didn’t work out. and this is very much the psychology of the author, because it seems that he should already feel every word of his, as if cast on tablets. yes, because he is already a recognized mastitator, while, uh, there is still this uncertainty. let's say this one is some kind of search for something. that is, this is an absolutely poetic state. this is due to the fact that your text density is very high, you kind of constantly need to squeeze it, and uh, yes, and in the way he approached the theme of the alleys, including how you can’t score, as some do roughly, well, there’s a little stretch a little here, e is a hack. you must here press it as much as possible, so that they can knock out the window, as hams said. here is marina. please tell me, could there be, uh, relationships such as are described between a man and a woman in dark alleys. uh, can we say we understand them? and that

today, uh, maybe something like that. same most, i don’t know, it seems to me, love is eternal love, eternal love, forever its long-term scenario. yes, all the same, despite several whirlwinds that swept through the change in value systems in our country, but , because a describes up to the forty -fourth year, and actually tsarist russia , that is, we must perfectly understand that at that time in samara something completely different was happening in russia, something completely different was already happening, not something completely different already, probably, women's emotionality has changed, because at the first stage a in the period of the red movement and the beginning of communism. it was one look at a woman, she was up to the point that she was public, and then gradually such a return to a greater placement on a pedestal, let's say women, that is, she still remains inviolable anyway

, anyway, values ​​\u200b\u200bcrawl through , a the number of relationships before marriage, a and already i think that to just in time for the middle of the 20th century. everything returned to approximately the same context as there was a lot of spiral after spiral. yeah, that is, uh, it's violent, slightly different names. this may have been wearing a different ideological sham, but for sure, but the meaning by and large remained the same ah. well, girls of the forties. still, they were quite chaste, of course. ah, respectively, and the subsequent yes events in our country. they are one way or another, anyway, we went through at least two more permutations of systemicity, if we are talking about the present time, that this is precisely the existence in these changers to stand, and these stories are eternal, because at the present moment of time

social is possible. society is not so stratified. and although, perhaps this applies only to the central part of russia yes, we have a big country. many peoples live in it. it has many different social biases and different cultures and different cultures and different religions. and for some it is now a game what is written by bunin what is written. let's say the final word, what does the dark lion mean for each of you , why are they wonderful for you, what do they mean for you, symbolize the dark alley, as a symbol of what it is and what is the dark alley for you, like a symbol. this is probably a road for me that does not have a specific point. it's just like a process. well, it's the same road. indeed, it is a learning process. this is a process, uh, an analysis of the past, and this is a process, but

a priest is different, but here the point is not illumination. this is called the medical word reconstruction, that is, a person looks at his past and turns it into some kind of completely hmm illusory picture in which , in principle, he can hide, for example, take a break from the terrible present. or maybe just create it as a literary work. what do you think, dark alleys? what is it for you? this is an attempt to carry your past through decaying time, an attempt that is tragic in its very idea. let's put it this way, and the tragedy itself is beautiful, so it's very beautiful. this is an idea. this is a purely berdyaev idea of ​​​​sexuality that it is obviously tragic, because when you try to merge, you still separate, then uh -huh i

i feel through and for me dark alley - this is an example. eh, how can erotica have an expression after all? well, let's put it this way. uh, an example of high art in erotica. i mean, it seems to me that this topic is very interesting, but it seems to me incredibly difficult to maintain. uh, here's some balance of the frame to one side and give to the reader. this is a sensual sensation on the other hand, and do not lie anywhere and e about how it all happens and at the same time remain within the framework. here are the admirations of a woman and some frames that do not allow you to go out that's in the direction of some kind of physicality, that's or earthiness. and this is what absolutely fascinates me. this was a podcast, a must read. today we talked about the dark alleys of bunin as the pinnacle of erotic prose. uh, i’m a glon quilted jacket, director, writer, host of a podcast, and our guest today was marina stern, a neurologist, head of

the department of nerve rehabilitation , ph.d. . thank you. big. thank you. hi this is a free program podcast. i am maksim trankov and my today's interlocutor is the beautiful anzhelika krylova hi anzhelika , you practically lived in the usa for 25 years . well, in general, how would i spend my youth here for 21 years. i left and this, as it were, was completely different. i was in the role of an athlete when we

left and i became interested in how it works here as a coach, and i came and tried and learned a lot. this i don’t know a huge experience for me, but everything seems to be different here, but the system itself and the preparation, the way i cook, the way i cooked the americans, that’s how i cook the russians. well, maybe a little harder, because here you can. well, not because it's possible here, because they need it here so soon, because they are so used to it. they are brought up in such a way, they have been trained by coaches since childhood in such a system. a slightly raised tone a little more rigidity parents demand the same, so they need it, because when i arrived, it was like starting the first year there to train couples according to that system and with the way it is set up, i think that it didn’t work. i had to settle here, but they did not

relax. they did not perceive it, because here it comes, as it were, more from the coach. this is the message that goes there more than this athletes. and why yes, because they pay every hour they work. yes, there is a very high price of insane juice, so, probably, there are not many athletes who are not many parents who can transfer to do this professionally to voice it, at least approximately how much does it cost, well plus or minus there depending on the coach. i know, but how much does it cost, for example, per hour, or how much does it cost for an hour, so that our parents can hear the cost? well, from 100 dollars there, yes 1060-180. so you still need to take the hall, you still need to take the choreography, you still need to take the acrobats. it's not just ice, it's all, when did you come back or not? yes, of course, of course, yes, but i kind

of. both thought i was just curious. i myself am such a risky person and and for me something is important for myself, as if from this extract extract some experience learn something new. uh. did you know where you are going? i mean, what will the skating rink school be like. it was necessary to start all over again to open your own club. or how it all works now. no, well, it’s clear that i didn’t come anywhere, there was ice, everyone was interested. i had a very big beget children. even many coaches, probably offended that they came to me, but here i didn’t call anyone like that, i didn’t call anyone, i didn’t invite anyone. they were wondering how works. for some it worked, for some it didn't work without the interview. you said that a coach is a universal profession, everything will start raising children until i don’t know any professional

moments. i uh, in principle, i educate them from the beginning so that they are people, this is the first victory already. yes of course, i nurture in them. well, i don't know the spirit of the sport, i don't know from experience. how should you train, how should you approach training, how, uh, should you perform? how to prepare yourself? as if in one or in another situation, but how to show yourself in an interview? what should you wear? there are a lot of nuances to look like, which i have to tell them. parents react normally ; parents are only glad that it seems to me that they have such a person when you educate one thing in an athlete, and at home parents educate another as parents. naturally. this communication with parents

is endless, especially when little couples are some kind of younger ones. and the role of parents in figure skating is, in general, colossal. and how without it everything starts with the parents? just when there are two more parents in a couple, when a loner has one parent, the coach is coming, and here it turns out to be parents, and a couple and the coach here turns out to be a lot of two parents. it hurts, sometimes parents do not help. they interfere, and i have to call my parents to communicate with them. everything is set up in the right way. and i don’t want the couple to break up, because the couple looks good, and the parents contribute to the conflict in the couple. i don’t need it, as it were, but how can they interfere with parents. they can interfere with the fact that each parent has his own child. he's better and they see your best time. yes, i don't know what to do. and

why is the partner there or the partner not good enough to do it. and why there, for example, an error can occur there at the competition. vaniyah there or somewhere for a year, accusations begin, then they come. oh, girl, i made a mistake, maybe we should change our partner, we didn't have to change her and that's what happens. i kind of just work with the younger group. she is very heavy. you just need to interact with your parents very much with the older group already lighter, like it's smaller. conversations and less pressure from the parents, they kind of trust the coach more. i'm interested to know where this line is, how much the athletes can get closer to the coach. well, in general, i am a very caring person, as if initially without even talking about coaching. well, sometimes you can just do it too much, but they are still small and young, and how i feel that i should take care of them before, but sometimes, maybe i don’t want to go too far. i would like to give them

freedom too so that they learn how to another situation to do, how to resolve some topic that they made a mistake with, how they generally come to dances. how dance duets are created, how it all happens. well, now the station is very young, as it were, when i skated, the dances began, so i myself, probably, came, 13. so, 14, well, then it was necessary, as it were, in a single then they didn’t even take it. it seems to me that there was no first category, there were candidate masters of sports and masters of sports. well, there's more. now the dances are already starting can start from ten years from 9:00. i've got a couple riding around like small, but it is very interesting to me. in general, i would like to create such a dance school , many people ask a lot about a children's school. it seems to me that the only condition i will remind you is that

today is my interlocutor. this is the beautiful anzhelika krylova, two-time world champion , olympic silver medalist and now a successful ice dance coach. by the way , stars with star disease, like gogon's heads, and now they praise this badly, i want to write directly to the fans' chat that i want to finish it all. i, because we also follow the guys, because i met vasilisa even earlier. what are you thanks to ice age kids? so i immediately saw her talent there and everything else, but here i am it seems to me that they pay too much attention to just these laudatory speeches, because at such a young age. it must be dangerous to fight it. well, how to fight hard fight. well, it's good that they listen, and as it were, sometimes it's just very hard. well, in general, they have such a fate . not very successful, because when they

juniors practically became number one in the world and could win several world championships. and then a pandemic happened, then with the situation in the world, and they have been in this state for almost 3 years now. how does this affect two or two? how does this affect motivation? how do they find the strength or and in general, how are you in them to breathe in the desire to work. just lumen is what we do. this is probably the first. the fact that love and , as it were, dedication to one’s work, in spite of everything, naturally, we believe that once the day will come when we will be able to perform on the international stage. i don’t know how it would be interesting for them to develop their development, they are interested in searching just like me, probably, in this we found a common core of our team in general. and it works for them. i hope this will continue. we are in dancing on ice. i

mean, russian athletes always. well , they were in the lead ahead of the rest, that is, two pairs on the podium of the olympic games. what happened why in dancing on ice? we are so far behind now, that is, with the departure sits and does not lag behind. it’s just that we don’t perform them in the international arena now. it's hard to say that we are lagging behind us. i used to have only bronze in vancouver, then we had bronze with difficulty, obtained there in sochi, and in the eighteenth year there are failures without a medal at all. it apparently was such a failure starting out. uh, with us, most likely, because due to an injury i had to, as it were, leave the sport. although nobody expected this and thought that we would skate for another 4 years, we had strong hopes

that we would win in 2002 or not? of course, this gave such a failure, because no one else was on the willow , and he had to become the first couple and immediately quickly join it. and this failure and success, and igor shpil, you and marina, and here they just picked up and happened changes in the rules in general changes in the dance. here is what happened. i don't know why it took so long, but at that time it was 2002. you had a very dramatic story in nagano at the 1998 olympics. second place career history. here after many years. how are you doing it now are you looking? that is, a situation where well, they didn’t give it, you can say they won there, well, why didn’t they give us a very fair and equal fight

with, uh, with oksana grischukova, evgeny platov. naturally, it was very difficult to fight with the olympic champions, and of course, and they had more experience and more titles. and we did not have the opportunity to win a single championship in two olympic games. of course, we hoped and, well, we worked very hard. well, that's how fate decreed. well maybe we were kept to keep us from leaving after this olympiads and continued, but from my injury it turned out differently and no one is just fate, yes. why is it considered that you won the olympic games? and what are you leaving? that is , you can hold an athlete so that he becomes second at the next one there, it takes another four years. it's very hard. why is it simply considered people, is it really impossible there to become a quadruple there, here we have approximately evgeniy ivy. i don’t know, it depends on your athletes. maybe he keeps himself in good

shape from an athlete coach. and ah from the health of athletes above all, because and injuries and psychological it's very hard and a new younger generation is growing up and new favorites because of this time i don't know how the situation would be and the athlete must feel that he can withstand another four years of such stress for a very long time. we had in dancing on ice directly and such unapologetically leaders. well, recent years. i mean, these tests there charlie measured and then get caught by him and now there is someone and why these couples managed to be like this, well , almost invincible leader, that is, their it would be impossible at all to be a unique couple, so i want to say, they started as juniors, and they immediately started talking about them, but this

talent is theirs. as if the combination in a pair of this relationship of theirs to some kind of magical, so to speak, is to act on people, without even saying, the technique is safe, the execution of the elements. yes, they were looking for a lot of interesting things, but this harmony is theirs. she, of course, was very captivating, because no one could fight them, but then get caught, zaron. naturally, they were downloaded at all huge. which no one expected, because the right programs and the right image and programs and the choice of style. and that also had a big impact. they chose their own style, which was not like the others, then they all began to imitate them. but it was already boring. just for the audience. i want to clarify that tessa virchu exodus moir is a two-time olympic champion. and from canada yes, and charlie and meryl. this is meryl david charlie white, the olympic champion from

sochi 2014 from america well, it’s clear that the french, who train in kanade well and charlie meryl and tessa with cattle they were trained by russian russian trainers. this is a laid down school, as it were, both techniques and systems. here we can say that in general all this success of the american north. schools of figure skating, this is thanks to russian specialists, because when you all left there and started training there, that is, you lifted this one , i mean the third russian one, you raised this type in the usa and this may be related to the failure of us, because you are not was. here you were there. eh well maybe, but at the time it was perestroika would have been a lot of difficulties, and in principle there was a lot of undersport at that time, so many russian coaches left , probably almost all of them except for elena

anatolyevna chaikovskaya malinin jumping thursday. well, this is also a talent. the boy is born like that. probably not everyone can do it, everyone wants to and everyone trains and many train. the same coach, but not everyone can do it, it depends on the talent of the character of the child. naturally, returning the genome, which should be in the child. which one is included in childhood do not know the platform in order to become, for example, a successful dancer. or with what it is better not to come right away, for example, figure skating, but for me it is very important that the child hears the music, feels the music and can interpret it. but this is probably the first thing, as it were, that i see emotionality in children. well, on the skate there, around it, you can teach landing some details. and of course, so that the child likes it,

so that he has a sporty character, so that he can and wants to overcome himself, because it is very difficult, as it were for children to train. there is only time to spend on the ice, especially in dancing, because dancing is boring with children. initially, you are engaged in the base, and the bases are engaged with the children, no matter how interesting it is for them, boring and hard. here, someone can also stand it, someone can’t stand it , but there must be a sporty character, what is a sporty character, well, a sporty character is what you have to overcome yourself to overcome some difficult ones. this is already laid down from childhood to the child. yes, but he must be interested. interesting process the interesting thing is they are involved in the process, there is the choice of music choice. that's what we want to work on today. there, naturally to participate in the coach said that today

we are going to support, only support. they want to twist there, for example, twist. not well practically from me. it all comes out. they trust me i plan my workouts. sometimes i don't. sometimes it goes spontaneously for me when i feel, depending on the state in which they came and quickly for training. it is necessary to slowly work out big pieces roll, but it's from them how it happens i don't know how for a simple viewer to watch dancing on ice, because there are singles incomprehensibly fell, people fall jumps, uh, doubles, which they are also amplitude elements. some extreme. but dances, how to interest the viewer in dancing, what is fascinating about them. well, firstly, dancing, of course, is emotional, this is emotionality, but brightness. uh, feelings of partnership. i don’t know, some kind of unity is very difficult to fight and units are

years, these are years of work, of course, the coach depends a lot on how you feel , feel exactly what the couple is, maybe it is better not to drive everything under one. now it is fashionable , as it were, slowly and themes, or such a style is fashionable, but to understand, what is the personality of this or that couple, what is the personality of your main couple? ah, vasilisa and valera are just very different. they themselves are very different. he's more explosive. he is such a hurry , but he hurries ahead of the locomotive. it’s like they can’t say who their leader is, they are good every one on their own. what i 'm working on the most right now. these are all the years since i put them together, so that they to connect, because this is the most difficult thing for me to connect them so

that they feel each other and can communicate normally, and because there are a lot of all sorts of nuances in the training process, when there is some kind of jealousy between each other, then leader yes, i think there is jealousy. here i am trying to jinx it. they don't support each other. if so, then it went wrong. yes, of course, if we assume, well, that is, there is no such thing that we lost because of you, you fell there. no, they are very supportive of each other. and this is good. today we are talking about figure skating with anzhelika wing, two-time world champion , olympic medalist and coach of the russian national team in ice dancing. olympic motto. yes, there faster higher stronger figure skating well pulled. it seems to me that they relate a little, then why does angelica have