[000:00:00;00] to such timelessness, which is lost in him in well, yes, that is, in what , in principle, they present him mainly that you have not created any image that you could cling to. you don't have your own schismatic. you don’t have tolstoy’s characters, yes, who, dying , look at the sky, and with sagittarius, you agree that he managed to create the image of russia, the image of the motherland that is, maybe there is no one character, but this is the world. eh, this noble life. there are a lot of descriptions there. that's when you outlined them state. that is, precisely because he poetizes prose, he is a person not a state , not a narrative, and, uh, this is the worst thing, because when you don’t have this roughly speaking ideological core or even hatred there is strong there’s some kind of central there. uh, cynicism is such an attitude towards women. i don't even know in relation to reality rather.

here, as it were, it is clear that he simply describes it in strokes and that is why he probably refused to immigrate. that is, as it were , vichy, france yes, yes, vichy france - what is it? where he wrote the dark time, an underoccupied state , it is not clear who controls it, it is not clear what you live on such a piece of timelessness . that is why, in order to gain at least some understanding of time, he turns to the past. he also began to write this life arseniy you, too , the emigration life of arseniev's novel kayan days, by the way, probably because of the emotions of a stir, because he wrote on the layer, but in dark alleys. it seems to me that he explores the topic of relationships and its completely different layers. that is, relatively speaking, he runs away. it seems to me from e some problems. just when you find yourself in timelessness. you know, like a man from the underground. you have

nothing but a description of yourself of these states. no, and then you can't even come back, because he said, in my opinion, but, well, like, and who am i? well, i'm used to living in france something i don't feel like everyone is already dead. yes, leave me alone , at the same time, as it were, again, this is such a journey, he even has an image of the road, an image of what happened, namely the sphere of love. that is, it works. he is looking for support in this area. he is not can this evidence of his roughly speaking such a defeat, including, because all these relationships end either with regret about something gone, or with the fact that he was cruelly abandoned by some emancipated girls, or there, i kind of what she got is better. i will think of a beautiful peasant woman. as if. well, what a pity that we are not together. it seems to me that this is a matter of perception of the environment, that is, people moved, well, from their usual environment to a completely different one, and for obvious reasons, they really took some shreds of the past and they served

to him. for further development, it’s just that one of them managed to adapt, and pasternak went further there, and someone just got stuck, as you rightly said, in that part of the environment that they brought, and they couldn’t simply integrate it into that environment that was at that point in time, because the era is changing. it's not only them, it turns out badly for her to change, then also military operations. yes, one way or another, this is, well , a rather stressful situation and a person, of course, clings to what he understands familiar and he does not want to perish this can be often invented world often tied to some kind of sensual sphere because well, it is one of the most real yes, in a situation when the world changes, when the world changes, uh, a person looks inside himself. ah, trying to find footing. and so, if we are talking about poets on this one, how people who

described space feel the state of feeling the state. this mixed sensory environment is their fulcrum by and large, so it leaves as soon as you create one work, as it were, if the experience is not turned into text, it does not even become the past, as the rapper read the words of the cpsu and you have some dense concentration. but bunina she always ends with some kind of defeat, roughly speaking erotic, including, by the way , connected with his first love, in my opinion, that the story is a story that he had love that came to them, but she could not stand it craving for life, as far as i remember. no, this is also connected with his first work , something oryol vestnik was called a newspaper for a proofreader. she won't last said dear. i'm leaving to live normally and the first experience always leaves its mark. yes , and such imprinting, by and large

, is assimilated and projected onto all subsequent relationships, but at another time such a work could have taken shape in a different historical context. with such longing for the motherland for the beautiful russian women, it seems that longing is a parody, it has no reference to time. it is tied to the personality of the situation. yes, to the situation. is it possible to say like this? for example, uh, there's a lot of criticism right now. i hear in the direction of the artists, why don't you reflect the current situation? why don't you react to what is happening? it seems to me that bunin is darker. this is just a wonderful example of how a person, when there really are some historical cataclysms around, he takes and writes erotic prose completely without time, and time and people who no longer exist and never this world will not return and it becomes hmm a reference

erotic work and we are still, uh, guided by this hmm this prose turned out to be a very good example of an artist who does not pay attention at all to what is happening around, you can say, yes, uh , to do something completely in counterpoint in relation to the situation, and he succeeds, and he wins over those who, uh, was somehow more focused on the current situation and did not, if time forced him to turn to this, it seems to me, that is, you know, history played a role here. she pushed him out by this very thing, to pay attention to this. well, here, of course, it’s as if an analogy with demons begs me for dostoevsky, that is, as if conditionally verkhovensky, who is obsessed with political ideas and stavrodin, who says, let’s go to kontonuri, how would i answer him there with you we will look at a big spider, which descend from the roof.

damn, i found my big spider and my time content, it seems marina a. i wanted to talk here. about what? that is, we mentioned, here, dostoevsky, this is a wonderful example , after all, we have dostoevsky for this. i agree with this, what is there? this podcast is a must read. today we are talking about bunin and dark alleys, as in the pinnacle of erotic prose. my guest marina stern is a doctor, neurologist, head of the department of neurorehabilitation, candidate of medical sciences, a and poet sergey izotov and glaiana. batnikova director of the writer, host of the podcast. hey marina, do you agree? it seems to me that bunin is a very healthy person, and he has a very healthy sexuality. and this is reflected in the dark alleys. that is, if we compare, for example, with dostoevsky, i heard many times i was told by men that after reading

the image of a woman by dostoevsky, this forever broke their psyche of relationships with women. well , it seems to me that this is connected precisely with the image of a woman. and bunin's let's say it. so the erotic plast is the plast of a healthy person. can i say so. yes, i think so, because, despite the fact that a sad look yes on women is some kind of reflection of a sad experience, as a rule, this is a reality, yes, that is, it does not give those colors that usually characterize a certain the touch of psychopathology the ninth does not give negative colors. ah. here are the negative positives. that is, it doesn't matter. these are extremes. these are extremes. these are sharp corners. these are the words that we describe the image of a woman, because one way or another from dostoevsky bunin we look at women with male eyes. well, yes, and accordingly, he describes how he perceived them. he

describes their thoughts, describes first of all his thoughts, and not women's thoughts. well, are the thoughts of these women really worthy of being written down, right? let's focus on the male look, but uh okay. this is a relationship with love. with respect to the woman. it seems to me that in the dark alleys, despite this. well, let's just say, the global of the alliance which is constantly present in these love stories, as a red thread. e, after all, there is, er, a respectful admiring attitude towards a woman, and i didn’t see e anywhere. here. uh, let's just say some e cunning, yes or some kind of narcissism on the part of these same female heroines, there was one short story about how a woman who was in the theater comes to him,

in my opinion, saw says, now you are my love, and not for some time meet, and then he just finds her. in bed, she, as if nothing had happened, lights up, says, well, well, and that something has come at all. but because it is not necessary to deal with a woman who takes the initiative, one has already found a moral assessment. i think that this is a look, first of all, of a healthy man on a healthy woman, because no matter how it was, it's tragic. yes, love, there, uh, at the expense of me, it’s important impossible there, like the heroes of one of the short stories, when ah, they say goodbye to a, the woman says goodbye to her husband on the platform and sits down, knowing that he is waiting for real stories. moreover , wu did not write that he himself, he was sitting on this train and leaving with someone else's wife. whom did he force to shoot himself, then no, no one shot himself. he invented this, but, nevertheless, the situation was such that this person could shoot himself writing, but by the way

, when i read it, i had the feeling that bunin was behind the hero who shoots, that is, at some point. then he suddenly jumps to the point of view of this husband that he was looking for her before sochi somewhere else in gagra and then put on, shaved his tunic and shot himself with two revolvers. that is, at that moment i suddenly understand that bunin understands very well. from the point of view of the unfortunate abandoned one, what sergey was talking about. that is , it seems to me that it is his position that most of all evokes a response. here men are left with a woman, probably, he has a woman, rather, elusive. you know that here, as it were , freedom has a huge interpretation from the fact that this is the homeland there and that every collective portrait this is some social russian so this is from a peasant. yes, arrestee. well, here, yes, elusive femininity. well, the very name dark alley seemed to me when i read that bunin describes everything perfectly, that is, the food is

delicious, wonderful. eh, there are beautiful houses, there are beautiful women. i mean, i'm reading now as an adult. i caught myself thinking that i know all this. i understand that he took only the best, the most beautiful, that is, in all the dark alleys. there is something. this is poetic optics. this one, well admiring the beauty of life with its pleasure. and although the situation that she describes is real there are complex conflicts, but nonetheless. and in all this there is love for life. well, rather, yes , this is logical, because at that moment in time, and the world is collapsing and instead of indulging in he and not and some kind of black such nostalgia. yes, a person remembers the brightest thing that helps him survive, and this , respectively, those yes, well, there are pieces of a sketch of life such miracles, by and large, that, uh, cause him inside

warm association. here and despite the image of elusive women. yes, some unhappy love. still. probably it’s not dark, not with paints, painted or dark, although it’s dark yes, but it turns out that there is a certain light note in them, which is not negative at the same time, that is, those emotions that you experience, despite sad e by and large stories, and in this book, he took the title from some poem, yes , and poems, the eagle is an investigative story, in my opinion, that was the name of an ordinary story. around the wild rose blossomed stood dark persons alley, it seems to me that dark alleys - it seems to me, an erotic symbol, that is, dark alleys. it's kind of, as if romantic , while the shadow can hide there and the heroine of this story, dark alley. she just says, marina, that everyone read

poems to me about some dark alleys. she remembered it exactly as, let's say, an instrument. e seduction can you say? i think it is possible, especially since the beginning of the twentieth century. this is still the era of freud yes and his course of his beginnings of psychoanalysis. because if you understand classical russian literature and this one from the point of view of freudianism. in general, these are very interesting social ones, since you can find a fairly large number of patterns there, and it is connected specifically with sexuality , for example, tell me an example that you are now, which is now curiously curious, it ’s just with these natural nuances, that is, when he describes rather the natural environment. if you really find fault with, uh, uh , sigmund freud, then there are a lot of patterns that describe, and the bends female body, yes, and some sensual

zones. that is, it is very hmm well, there are still lies, i would say within the framework. you just need to know how to extract it from the text. yes , even because it’s not just within the framework that it doesn’t even catch your eye the most basic of which he, in fact, was brought up with great respect for himself and others. to me it seems that a respectful attitude towards women also finds a place in the fact that he has these plots that he comes up with. it still leads to some justice. it, that is, for example, a is e, here is the final e yes story of the collection. uh, the negro, in my opinion, is called about the dog, that is , the girl lives in a hotel. she is a 15-year-old daughter

of the owner of the hotel and comes. give him combs. well, such an image of some evil stranger, which means a muslim, and she has a dog. e, which when he tries to rape her, the dog protects her and pulls her out his throat, but the fact is that e is a parallel with the story of the ballad. there is such a story. yes , a stranger is coming. uh, to the manor's house in the village estate. at night she sleeps there and e. a young guy hears how she prays to some lord. volku asks who is this at all, what kind of phenomenon is this? lord, not a wolf and a wanderer, this kalika is passable. yes , such a strange generic woman. she tells him that a certain story is also about how some evil prince chased his son's bride, too, so that i but some wolf ran out of the forest and

tore out his throat, but before his death, this prince managed to say what to draw this wolf over my grave, so that he repented and decided that the wolf was a fair punishment. we asked for some kind of appeal to folklore , some legends, and yet, then he brings it out in the final. well, as if the real story is not a story of a knapsack, but really such a parallel, and it seems to me that this is a defense. here is a young girl, but innocent. adorable and that's her animal friendship. it seems to me, so touching and so striving for the light of justice, that is , after all, he always chooses. ah, out into the light. i would say so. this is such, probably, after all, but a projection of christian values. this is a very interesting dark alley. bunin - this is considered a classic of russian literature. at the same time, the authors are an immigrant, he seemed to be returning to russia, but we still understand through these works that he

loved russia and his contribution very much. uh, in literature. this is e. well, let's put it this way, strengthening, yes, some their values ​​and the values ​​of our culture in general, yes, christian values. and by the way, i can’t say if he had any values, that is, well, at least they are clearly not read like that. they are read most bright knee days that is why. perhaps he is, as it were, recorded as a white guard, because these are the values ​​of the reaction. it's the value of responding to some changes and not accepting them, but still. we understand that after all, this is love for russia, that we read his prose , we can unambiguously interpret it as love for this world for these people, and for this environment of course, a new, as it were , love for the lost world, yes, well, love for the motherland that you will never see again. that's about the same thing, as far as i remember, up to 44, or something

, that is, moreover, he already received the nobel prize of that time. when i read it, i understood that it was already written by a person, but he is already in regalia already, which may be higher than the nobel prize in literature, but nonetheless. i understand that he was working rewriting that he didn't like you. this is a correspondence with friends. it turned out that everyone likes it, but i know that it didn’t work out. and this is very much the psychology of the author, because it seems that he should already feel every word of his, as if cast on tablets. yes, because he is already a recognized mastitis author at the same time, uh, there is still this uncertainty. let's say this one is some kind of search for something. that is, this is an absolutely poetic state. this is because you have a very high text density, you kind of constantly need to compress it compress it, and uh, yes, and in the way it approached the dark alleys, including, as if you could not score, as some do

, roughly speaking, well, there, a little stretch a little . here they cheat. you have to press him as much as possible, so that , as karls said, they could knock them out of the window. here's marina tell me, please, could there be, uh, relationships that are described between a man and a woman in the dark. uh, can we say we understand them? and that today, uh, maybe something like that. the same, i don't know, it seems to me, love is forever love, eternal love, forever its script long-term. yes, after all, despite several whirlwinds that swept through the change in value systems in our country, but , because a describes up to the forty -fourth year, and actually tsarist russia , that is, we must perfectly understand that that moment in time in samara russia something completely different was happening , not something completely different already different women's emotionality and changed, because at

the first stage a in the period of the red movement and the beginning of communism. it was one look at a woman, she is up to the point that she was in public, and then gradually such a return to a greater setting on a pedestal, let's say women, that is, she still remains inviolable, anyway , values ​​\u200b\u200bcrawl through anyway, and in the absence there a number relations before marriage, a and already i think that to just in time for the middle of the 20th century. everything returned to approximately the same context as there was a lot of spiral after spiral. yes, that is, uh, it was violent, slightly different names. this may have had a different ideological background, but exactly, but the meaning by and large remained the same, aa girls of the forties . still, they were quite chaste, of course. ah, respectively,

and the subsequent yes events in our country. one way or another, anyway, we went through at least two more permutations of systemicity, if we are talking about the present time, that this is precisely existence. in these i have to stand, and these stories are eternal, because at the present time in the social is possible. society is not so stratified. although, perhaps this applies only the central part of russia yes, we have a big country. many peoples live in it. it has many different social structures and different cultures and different cultures and different religions. and for some, it’s now a game that bunin wrote that there is nothing bunin let’s say the final word, what for each of you in general means dark laziness, why are they wonderful for you, what

do they symbolize for you dark alley, as a symbol of what it is and what is dark alley for you, as a symbol. it's probably for me, a road that does not compete with a specific point. it's just like a process. well, it's the same road. indeed, it is a learning process. this is a process, uh, analysis of the past, and this is a process, but illumination is different, but here it is. not in the light, this is called the medical word reconsolidation, that is, a person looks at his past and turns it into some kind of completely hmm illusory picture in which, in principle, he can hide, for example, take a break from the terrible present. or maybe just create it as a literary work. what about you do you think dark alley? what is it for you? this is an attempt to carry your past through decaying time, an attempt that is tragic in its very idea. let's put it this way, and

the tragedy itself is beautiful, so it's very beautiful. this is an idea. this is a purely berdyaev idea of ​​​​sexuality, which is obviously tragic, because when you try to merge, you still get separated, then mmm and you still remain on your own and walk along these dark alleys, absolutely alone, this is interesting, it really looks like that what i feel through and for me dark alley - that's an example. eh, how can erotica have an expression after all? well, let's put it this way. uh, an example of the high art of reverse engineering. i mean , it seems to me that this topic is very interesting, but it seems to me incredibly difficult to maintain. here is some balance of the frame to one side and give to the reader. this is a sensual sensation on the other hand, and do not lie anywhere and e about how it all happens and at the same time remain within the framework. here are the admirations of a woman and some frames that do not allow you

to go out. here, in the direction of some kind of corporality, here or earthiness. and this is what absolutely fascinates me. this was a podcast, a must read. today we talked about the dark alleys of bunin as the pinnacle of erotic prose. uh, i’m glen batnik, director, writer of the hosts of the podcast, and our guest today was marina stern, a neurologist , head of the department of nerve rehabilitation, candidate of medical sciences, and, uh, sergey zotov, a poet, whom i, by the way, admire is a wonderful poet, seryozha and a journalist. thank you. big. thank you. this is a display of the letter. i'm visiting today the wife of georgy ivanovich burkov tatyana and the daughter of georgy ivanovich maria, who, with such

trepidation, such tenderness, such reverence and such respect, does not allow anyone to forget the beautiful father of a worthy person. i don’t know, you are the best of the best actors , you can’t even imagine how glad i am to see you, there we saw each other, dear 40 years ago, yes, horror on the set of cruel romance. i remember such a beautiful young woman who came up to me with tears in her eyes and said, i'm afraid there are such actors around, such a beauty. don't be afraid, you're not afraid of anything. and you know what was amazing, but georgy ivanovich was an extraordinary raskachik extraordinary. well , they all had such an experience behind them, and nikita mikhalkov and andrei myagkov, the deceased, and they all the time gathered and georgy ivanovich or one of them told stories. they all laughed so much they didn’t want to be in this cell so much, and i so

wanted to warm these ears and not like that, and they chased me all the time, because i should be in character. i have to be demanding all the time. and i was so interested in what georgy ivanovich was telling, and i would run right there like this. you listen to us go. yes, like everything, they chased me all the time and not like that, and i so wanted to also impress georgy ivanovich on everyone. and then our neighbor came from the army, did not come, escaped and hanged himself in the kingdom of heaven. i came up and said. and our neighbor hanged himself, that for some reason you can imagine such a fool, so i wanted to. so maybe looking for the impression that you didn't tell me about some good one. come to us. you will too is to listen and participate. there were good times, there were good times. remember the shooting, very very good artists around the time is good and absolutely amazing guzeeva of course. oh well, okay, now it’s not about

me, but do it anyway. tell me please. that's when vasya's both little tanya, who had 17 years old, will give georgievich no, 13, how old were you when you left, when i was gone, 44, that is, by today's standards, this is a young woman who is ready to go out for the first time get married and have a baby at all not not even not she imagined herself disappearing as a husband to leave something like that in general, she didn’t imagine any other men. but then let's digress into the past look when you met. you were 18 years old. yes? i lied that i was 21. that's how i added everything down, they twitch. i said that he is 15 years old, well

, 40 kg, and his height is a meter yes, 56, somewhere around a meter 40 kg of this girl on a stick. tribute uh, who saw whom first? yes, but i kind of saw it, yes, in the theater at the blackboard, the schedule, but roughly speaking, i didn’t immediately see they showed young actors were sitting all this is yours came. well, they laughed. he was so funny it was impossible. it’s just that these little glasses are like this red sweater, but there’s no such thing, he had a purple jacket in a mother’s check and looked, so this whole schedule is like that. well, that is, no no no no no no no it's that i don't care for you trying anyway we feel that this is my man. yes? you are dying. yes, when it happened to you, when i can’t say right away. that's what i had right away. no, it wasn't right away , it wasn't right away. well, it was different. for some reason i'm all

laugh. and for some reason, i left with him. this is some kind of feeling i can’t, what happened? maybe i'll explain now , i can't be you, that's all. there was a man, by the way, he was just a man-man until his last days. someone even came up with this legend about his ugly stranger. i don’t know for me, he is absolutely naked sex with these lips with these olive eyes, tall and slender. and to me, you are just two uh sexy people that they couldn't be together. well, if today's yes, watch you look, it means that he saw you first and said, come with me tan, well, he didn’t tell him so with his eyes. what happened? and we went together. well, we went for a long time for two months. it is necessary despite the fact that we were there, and he was there on my mother's money begged for some money he took me to prague, that's where i said on my birthday, when i said that i have 21, and i need a year less than it turned out, then and then we went to the wto.

there, too, there were some wine and everything, and still we walked hand in hand. and then one unexpected day it happened that's what now we're talking. he turned out to be so simple in general, and belmondo you already knew then that there is such a thing, how everything was pasted over with me, and he told you, let's go to me, i'll show you how i live no, but that by chance came and was with us even the actor did not leave him in such horror, where he rented a room somewhere on the bauman wreck nearby in the room, when he was drunk it was very unclear who he was and i was a girl from a good family. yes? well, yes, a clean and immaculate thing. i have been in the theater since i was 15 years old. well don't know what here came a vicious 19 year old girl want, yes, what do you want? speak well, as a matter of fact , she came, but not alone with me was the secretarial organization of the theater. well, they did me, of course, who fled, yes, yes , from this room, when we entered her

room, it was clean, there was even yogurt, books, a very funny room. and this is what we entered, but we were already a little. or there he celebrated the wto, there he received some kind of extras his ruble 50, and we went in there and our secretary immediately drooled and he didn’t like the neighborhood , he was afraid that there would be some kind of scandal something and a drunken man came out. here , who asked him a room there, and he means to me, he says, let's get out of here quickly now some kind of scandal, and i would have something left. and why until the morning yes? and it happened so instantly about the goosebumps, listen on the skin, well, there were no signs at all. tell me, please, and you, too, are a girl, tanya , who has not spent a single night. i'm not in my girl's room was not not coming home, poor parents come in the morning. he said, marry me. i said yes,

and then he said he loves. uh, some milk. with cocoa, or something, they used to sell his iron grandmother, and i went and bought milk. and then she called her grandmother and said that her grandmother was with you. she did not resist, the holy line, lies began. yes, but what to do? as i explain, i'm coming wedding day to give tribute. yes, but the parents were not. after all, no one is yours or his. tell us about your first meeting with his mother. well, why wasn't she? yes, yes , it was very it was very terribly nightmarish and funny. to me it's so funny now. no, it’s funny now, then i don’t think that for a nineteen-year-old child it’s, well, in the throat. i was so in love that somehow my mother didn’t seem so terrible to me, but i seemed terrible to her already, you didn’t meet at all, you meet. you meet at the pen. they are my pigtails. well, such knotted ones were magpies, yes, and it’s funny to say, but my mother sent her son to moscow, the artist of the great

, who went through the whole province there and said that his mother loved him, adored, in general it's deadly. yes, yes, and she, at least he's there, uh, getting married. well on someone, well i don't know. well, yes, well, i don’t know, well, yes, vertinskaya , yes, yes, a beauty, of course, so portly, as she herself was so all going to see it. here she, probably, saw, in general, horror. i guess i was not so terrible, but she saw the nightmare and we walked in silence, she hugged him. and what did you say to him? and i went ahead. i understood, i didn’t even just say hello, and then, when we arrived home and okay, she said that it was either me or one. that yes, and i have a letter. can i apply? well, it was written much later, but it's his yes, oh, love and connection with his mother. by the way, he didn’t deny it, he just called it so strongly that i was a sissy, right? my dear, mother, you know that

my mother’s boundless love for you, who gave birth, raised me and just to a person worthy of respect and admiration for the mind , decency, kindness and a lot of other wonderful qualities. know that love has always lived for you and will live in me until the end of my days i am proud and i will always be proud of you. i want to be worthy of you in my life and love you and miss you. i constantly think about you and you know, i would never have become an actor, if not for you, they praise me just for what you put into my soul , your wrinkles, your gray hair, your planted heart. here is my school. here are my universities, everything from word to word. i could repeat to dad, because you are one for me, you are my home. you are my land, you are my homeland, you are my soul. lord, what a gentle, what a loving what a wonderful son then he