[000:00:00;00] she has a life in general. as if, i’m even very worried, she completely lost the platform , she lost some kind of platform from under her feet say , uh, zhorik was born, but under georgy ivanovich or unfortunately, no, yes, like dad and dreamed that i would have a child. well, so that , uh, mom, he asked me to divorce my husband. that's how he likes it all. well, of course. and what did i like? just such a father's jealousy, or there were objective reasons, there were reasons. well, he wasn't always right. he has a reason. he already sees everything at once man, saw each other immediately and well, who listens to us parents? no, of course you understand, some parents are stupid. so , uh, zhorik was born. dad did not become in the nineties, but zhorik 1992. we are in the same hospital, where, as

together. hmm, what place did zhorik give birth to in june, you are not with your husband now. you didn't get married there. no, it didn’t work out like that, officially such a bar. i feel like he's still around. this is promising. to keep in check, and this is a bridle and a strong bridle a movie that you can watch

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perspective map where the temperature is cold. this is a podcast of letters. my name is larisa guzeeva . my guest is georgy ivanovich burkov's wife tatyana and georgy ivanovich's daughter maria. tanyurochka, my little one, i kiss you in the black gypsy eyes. now i know that we found each other something of the miracle we have with you difficult love, then real. so hmm but happiness, what kind of life is this, you understand that until the last breath. you have something to live for, because you have such memories, you know, for the sake

of it. ah, it made sense to be born. just remember that was a very difficult period. just tell them to say so. yes, it's hard or hard love is hard, but i receive such letters, when masha was born when we lived in a hostel, that is, i was left alone with her. and zhora left the building without me first. well, it was hard, the parents argued in the corners, no one alone with a small child. nothing at all. i just had hungry days. and these are the letters that he wrote to me from the tour. i even understood everything. i was starting to get angry that he didn’t send any money there, that i was here i want just elementary, but there were a few things. here were such yes and i take here is this letter. and now i even remember,

somehow i read read, read read. and it seems that my girlfriend already wants to eat. waiting for him when he arrives funny. oh, yes, i'm so possessive when i'm young. well, as if all well done in the eyes of the beholder, everyone saw ugly, this one saw that he was perfect, that he was endless, beautiful. yes, i'm everything. it seemed to me that all the women around here. right now, the crowd will follow him. they walked. here i am pig them then when he became famous, it's like i was told by some kind of cunning how you were generally cunning. yes, he is nikola not a yard, the ruble is 50 years old, there was nothing jealousy, there was jealousy. yes, i remember, he even has a scratch on my cheek. one well, as i say, the owner is young. here he is. he is my husband, which means that i should know everything, every minute he came somewhere. he kept me for a long time, because he gave. i very

quickly understand that it’s impossible and i quickly realized it. that this is the only thing now, probably turning away. yes, when i look, but i look with pleasure. but he said he was jealous now. yes, that's so serious, he never showed views. but when he died, i was able to read these diaries, and when i compiled the book, i found everything there. this is a creepy post. i sobbed so. i cried so much and thought, what a bastard i am, how could i behave like that, and he writes in detail, like him, that he was going through some moment when he came to the performance there. something there through how many years after his death were you able to read? well, i have read this. well, right away , probably right away. i immediately wondered

what that was all and that's why i'm already somewhere in 91 second. i already have it all. i began to collect all these notes. these were tiny records separately, and then this book. if so, saved it. yes, not even half is never so difficult to work with. i just i remember as one actress. well, quite famous. she just approached me. she gave someone a creative evening, hugged me and said, tanka food, you can’t even imagine how much i envy you, that for so many years he was your husband. he is like this. i was so proud too, although i don’t know what is pleasant, but georgy ivanovich never during or after e no bad fame, he was a worthy person, and you are a chaste shy and the fact that you don’t have these stains that doesn’t come to you , illegal.

born children that they come do not call. women don’t tell you that he had a family somewhere in parallel, you understand? no, here is the most worthy in everything. and how did he leave such a memory of himself? memory. here is a blessed memory. yes, what should you look for? well, on the other hand , a kiss, of course, there would have been a worse husband, and you would have been already attached. well, yes, i know that i will die, as everyone will not live forever, not literally, nor figuratively, and the saddest thing is that in old age you will understand how you really need to live, but there is no longer an opportunity to replay again in life. no need to set up. we live among people, we are born like everyone else, but why are we artists? why should we be responsible for everyone? i am an artist. i burned myself by vocation for the sake of people feeling covered with strong moss, it is impossible

to break through it. maybe one artist, he is alive, but he is a suicide bomber. have pity on him. understand it. he goes to his death. for you. for everyone. everyone has learned to speak, holy words are not easily protected by an artist. he believes that he is believed, he loves and eats, pretending to be a lot of them, but the artist is alive until you take care of him , life and you will go with him. that's right, absolutely everything. take it away, of course, but he came across when there were such things. things are here, when it’s about the fact that he didn’t drink, he yes, he drank, but when he came to you approaches, uh, a partner to the theater threatens you with a finger. look, zhora we're going on tour. you

zhora, who was not at all such a kind of light alcoholic, is also suitable. he couldn’t stand this, yes, yes, he did it, then he turned to me and said, buy a bottle. well, it hurts, and who were these artists, if the directors, who they themselves were, yes, who could threaten this with a finger? i know this is tanya, you understand, zhorik what kind of zhorik is he to you, will you forgive? first, how much zhorik read here. you first get smart, development of your soul, because here is zhorik whose finger is this here. they banned it , and then you know how something like this will become attached to an actor. you won’t wash yourself off later , you won’t get rid of it, yes, you don’t need to shoot, because there’s one artist girlfriend about me, and they asked questions. and the truth is that, well, there is a museum drinking. well, listen, we are friends, what i will tell you about her. well, see for yourself, well, the type is not

scary or shoot. well, i love her any, you know? that's what i'm at least one filming someone will say, at least one day the shooting failed. i'm a minute late sometime not, but once already attached. that's something you'll never wash off, you know? well, he could, of course, upholstered, he couldn’t, you understand? here is it, for example, despite how much he drank. i think that nikita sergeevich mikhalkov drank no more and no less, but he would have the appearance and become and the origin of some kind of sergeyevich who would ever dare, and here it seems that you obviously understand everything, what a gusset would be like that, here is his simple kindness, not for that, they accepted him, but about his acting offense can't people understand my acting the topic is not even a topic, but the method is rather both, if my performance, anna drinks all the time and that's it. time is active. this does not mean that

i decided to make the viewer laugh and that's it. no a thousand times. no, i'm talking about the struggle for human dignity, and human talent. how disfigured, how corrupted would he be, if i were to overtake myself with psychological complexity or gravitas? i would be read, but i don't want to be thin to read. i don’t want to designate a living person with primitive theatrical badges, we live and only live in no case not to squeeze a living person into the image geniusly played. this first work in the theater was a reba, while he did not have a higher acting education. and he acted in films , played in the theater, a nugget tells me about this, he did not have an acting school, when they taught this technique, the encyclopedic was such, as it were, education. it's just that he wrote to me there, what can i say, uh, all sorts of essays,

while i was studying at the shchukin school. now don't be afraid to talk. he er, in general the person was very educated anya around. they educated person. they would not gather in a circle. i say it again, nikita sergeyevich, petrenko, they all adored him, but they didn’t, because he jokes well. well, you're funny, you know, it would be about the clown, by the way, i remembered the story when you were young and very poor, but there was already a rumor in moscow, that you are so funny talented, and it was a pity there was nothing. tell me how you were invited to the parsley company, it's funny for food. yes, yes, yes we once in some company of artists. uh, sat there, just familiar there were artists and in the process he began to tell something, well, about the dog and everyone calmed down and it was so interesting. here, i tell it, everyone began to laugh, simply. well, and then already tipsy. they made me say something too. and i only had

a swearing tower. how to tell a fable at school. it was generally indecent. well , since i had a very decent view and not everyone laughed like that. well, simply, and now they began to transfer us, as if from the hands of some of their acquaintances. the calls are already becoming. pasha is there she said that they were visiting. pasha said. you will come with us, a good one is going there, yes, there will be a company there, let’s go , we don’t have money, we’ll devour him, so, yes, it happened several times, but then it was so funny to make friends with everyone. they fed us . there was a difficult period masha and you have a character more than mom and dad. tell me this story, how you attacked a nurse while standing up for your dad, so i’m a pastoral story, but i tell her among my own, of course, milk, of course, i’ll tell, but he ended up lying in myasnikovsky. uh, institute of cardiology. they sent me there and

immediately put me in intensive care, in short, we went crazy, because my father is in intensive care, what is it, and we could only come to him , we were allowed to see him by the doctors. well, somewhere it was already closing, all the same, there and downstairs at the checkpoint i was sitting. this is some kind of red on the river , so here, well, as usual, women. not young and said that you came moved late. but if you don’t manage it in 5 minutes, then i won’t let you in anymore. well, we are somehow yes, yes, yes, yes, we did not expect that she, here we are , yes-yes-yes, that she will fulfill this, and he came out to us. i just bit my cheeks so bloody. it's simple, because he came out so green all over with these wires. and that's where the ear was heard. what in general it was no one. he was so we were just medicine for him, and suddenly it flies. eh, aunt some kind of aunt. why doctors are silent,

how they yell and moreover they yell at their father. i saw right. here she is from him to you you will no longer see your relatives. i'm just quoting verbatim. dad almost cried. he says, wait. what and why? it has become already. mom, come on, i'll take everything. go and we really are there, that’s all, but i saw him walking just right here, i think if he gives all this on strings, so it’s bright right here, as if some kind of curtain was some kind of anger of some kind of anger creepy. absolutely. i think now it will take a lot. i already somehow and there are huge these flights of stairs are huge. well, the building is. so my mother collected it, which means that this is ours, let's go, and we just went in. here's the flight of stairs. i don't remember myself. i'm so grabbed her robe against the wall pressed, well , there's some kind of scum, because if he was just pyotr sergeevich some kind of there,

you know from the fifteenth motor depot. why would she need to find out? and she, probably, all her life tells her wife came. and what is an artist? i said five minutes and that's it and you never see us again, i said. well , how to rise against the backdrop of the great, to show your disgusting power, you know, i hate it more than just two girls, i was terribly offended. i asked. i say yes she got me i just couldn’t take it away, because my aunt still ran upstairs. there, the doctors are crazy , i need her for her, so there mom me. well, it was. well, is that all at the car, well, everything shakes with me, i cry later, and they just need it, my daughter. if these were obloids, yes, burkov's daughter allowed herself a scandal. oh, girls, and there is no one to intercede , right? they also made me apologize.

i didn’t apologize to her, well, in the doctor’s office she said, i broke loose. well, there was a reason for this on the pope. the main thing is that it did not affect. it doesn't. they are still vengeful. i asked the doctor to talk to her there. i say call immediately. well, how can he die now from this, not protected, how to tell everyone what she wrote about. therefore, when he left, he knew that he was leaving, who needed him. i was at his hospital the night before. he escorted me out so that i could go home after the operation for a day, and he, well, so that i could go home for a shower there, well, something like a rest. i didn’t go, and suddenly he began to talk to me in a strange way, began to say such things, who, in general, could not speak for anything. i suddenly realized that something is wrong, something

is not necessary, and i say already, calm down. what is great health? yes, stop forgetting, i asked for forgiveness for everything. yes, there for some very important things. yes, even, well , it means that they were important for him, so he lived with this pain. and here he is, and as if i had already come home, i think something is wrong. well, something is wrong, and i rushed straight early in the morning and that's it. understood, it means to look at me. all these in the elevator are strange, well, you are the actress larisa do you know how it happens? we all eyes feel at once that something is not looking right. not so these are somehow strange, said hello. all i went to the room. everything was already collected there. well, it was not the end yet, he ended up in the intensive care unit of cardiology and dentistry appeared in cardiology. well, there by the evening tanya was gone. what do you regret most of all.

well, in general, we parted a little, and i went to the shooting all the time, yes, he is with me, and now i regret that we still parted, where was it once why did he go to sovremennik on season. somehow we had a hard time in this and why are we doing this for some reason? why do you need this? now, of course, do not return. i am so sorry about you, but it’s true that some days of months have been lost, mash, and you offended him, but you offended dad. yes, the teenage period was a terrible terribly character, all these some kind of complexes of their own, but it was all at home that i didn’t want you to go to acting, i didn’t want fate. how could he get involved. you know to say my daughter is coming. well, i didn't get into the first year. she acted herself, no one

called, no one said anything. but you ask dad's forgiveness for something. for not obeying, but in the main thing, in the main thing, she believed, well, look at some, well, you see , she believed, it’s good to obey, it’s bad, because if a girl always obeys her mother, father, grandmother, grandfather, then she will obey the boss's husband's neighbor's girlfriend and so on, therefore, as smart parents. they note at home that yes, nerves are shaking, but don't listen to the eggs, it's good. you heard him. look, she saved the letters of the note. i understood this love and accepted it myself gave, tell me, and the son looks like georgievich , the most interesting thing is that the manners are similar to

the behavior of the blood is not found in girls. well, he's right here, i don't know where. he is truly a mother. that's right crying. here, lord, i can, when i see him, he even fits. like this. quiet, it will do, that's when it will start moving. what happiness to you zhora his georgy ivanovich sent a new girl. you can say that you are absolutely happy women. no. i can say that i am happy, because the lord is here for me. i don’t know how it happened that this feeling love. yes, i received it. well, maybe this is a meeting. here with zhora, this feeling just appeared, but it is still this all-encompassing feeling of love. but today you feel that he is with you. now that he is protecting you. yes, you didn't stop. i mean, we were, of course, for a while. just here in this life. that's generally no. that is, it

's not even some kind of stress. and it’s as if we were all just cut into pieces, cut into pieces. there is so much more i want to remember and read and talk about. i think you still come, girls, yes, and we will talk, true, and in connection with george ivanch and just chat. thanks larisa. thank you my dear. it was a podcast of writing. my name is larisa guzeeva and i have two wonderful guests maria burkova and tatyana burkova thank you. this is a podcast of the psyche. my name is natalya loseva i am a journalist, and my co-host is a clinical psychologist

, ph.d. in psychology mikhail khors peers. well, in any case, i came across quite a lot of such stories, and this does not beg this story in any way, on the contrary , it increases its importance. hello tatyana, hello, what did you tell us about, i compare myself with other guys with painfully successful guys with those with whom we started, in principle, together we compare not in our favor, but objectively not in our favor. it's just that there are objective indicators, for example, the number of sales of a profession, and the number of subscribers. that is , some such resources. that is, measurable as they say, yes, and the problem is that when i compare , i don’t have a desire, but to do more, and i’m the opposite. i lie down in some kind of apathy. and

why then start, why then start and somehow a dialogue in my head? i still can't do it. you think, well, i probably don't even think about whether it will work or not. i just have all my energy that could be used, it just drops, and then i can’t do anything at all. how old are you now 27 turned 27. and when this discomfort began. this is the reaction to someone else's success. uh, self-comparison, apathy. follow-up. uh, probably with the advent of social networks, where i began to notice how others develop. and i'm developing, as they show? how do they develop, right? and you have never heard, and mikhail, you also heard, when they are friends about such a syndrome , there is such a form of syndrome, this is the english abbreviation owl of missing out, that is, the feeling that i

seem to fall out of this syndrome, he talks about that on the one hand, that we are looking at all the time. what is happening there , it worries us very much, but on the other hand , it is being formed against the background of other people's demonstrated successes. i specifically emphasize this word, we get the feeling that i somehow missed this opportunity, time, some chances. i'm not like everyone in the worst sense. so that you simply understand that what you are describing today, and it seems to me, michael this is very, very important. it's just this generation's sickness and sickness. it's in time talk? and tell me about such a bright case, which wounded you right here and knocked you off your feet, but not that he directly knocked me off my feet. i adjusted and i stopped coming in and looking. and this is my friend. veronica and i. hmm, we basically

started together with the hostel. in what sense, well professional develop, that is, we had equal conditions. yes, we lived in a hostel, she, of course, is a little older. what are you doing? i, uh, correct kids. defectologist. yes? uh huh she e now began to sell their services through social networks, as private educators. yes, she started as a private and i started as a private too. i continue. basically, as private, she began to gather groups, then gather groups of parents, then a to collect mentorship for a group of parents. and uh, selling it all through social media and it's grown very much in revenue very much. it's a shame, you can argue, firstly, because remember

the word objective characteristics sounded. yes, but they didn’t look at the current account or focus on what she told you or what she shows you on her social networks? well, what he tells and what he shows, and they did not look at any of her expenses. in general, somewhere to travel, distant lands, where an expensive apartment for an apartment again, we do not beg. yes, veronica’s merits are quite possible, she probably earned it herself, and it’s just that when we accurately believe that what people tell us and show us is real , if we can’t check it in any way, then a small question mark under this