on the surface, alexey why hockey football i agree with pavel that they have an easier sport, but the mentality in one word is beautiful. pavel kamantsev is the bosses of refereeing in football and hockey in our country. thank you very much for your time. hi all. is this a podcast pc or console? my name is ilya pelikatsky. and i am a professional esportsman. hello friends. my name is konstantin sakhnov. i am a game producer, game developer and teacher at the higher school of economics. my name is dmitry, a simple russian surname, smith. i head the computer sports federation of russia , which is the president. and today. we wanted to talk about how gaming actually began, what was the chicken or the egg before

, a computer or a console? that's what you got ahead, but my story is complicated, because i had a console. uh, because i have many, many relatives i lived in the same apartment i didn’t have my own computer and when i studied very, very well. my parents decided to arrange such a trimmer for me and gave it to me. i was the happiest child in that moment, so you played alone at first yes, then i started making friends thanks to the console. and what is your story konstantin i was very lucky 7 years. i was given for my birthday. dandy it was something before his first computer. of course, i waited a very long time, but thanks to dandy , i just stopped having friends because i sat at home and didn’t go anywhere. my story is a little different, i'm still born in the seventy-seventh year, and the first computer or console. i don't even fully understand myself, i had a z-expert. it seemed to be a computer, but which

used a tv instead of a monitor, so it was something in between, but then, uh, my story still went to the computer , my ah friend had a prefix. here, by the way, he always said never teach your parents to play, then you will not have enough time to play yourself, this is generally a disaster. we went to the country and the parents started. to enter to take a closer look at what kind of sector that we gave him, and they found a billiards, how they cut into it. this is absolutely true. i completely forgot that i have a sega and went to friends to play another sega because mine is everything. sorry, but if we started talking about the first games, well, the console or the computer, then the first game, what was the first game here, which i remember or which hearts, so i had the first game. it was called eagle nest and it was a hardcore game with no saves. i mean, you started it. and until you were killed, you continued, but as soon as you died, you had to start all over again, therefore, when in due time, then

diablo came out and then diablo ii appeared mode hardcore for everyone it was amazing. and for me it was completely normal. i mean, like, yeah, not bad not bad, because, well, i'm so unlucky. and i had it easier with friends, 286 comp. maybe remember there were more miracles like this i didn't know there were other games first i saw the field of miracles then simcity first. wow, then kings. bounty first. these are just games that i still consider to be masterpieces rather quickly. i discovered football for myself and that's it. and i was sucked into the first fifa that i had this fifa 97 and there was one very cool thing, and then they removed it from the game and, probably, for 25 years, it didn’t exist at all. there you could play not only on the big field on the lawn, but also in the hall, but you couldn't choose that. it was necessary to click on the match and it was randomly determined whether or not there would be a hall, and i could sit

for an hour or two just poke to play in the hall. that's all, that's all fifa well fifa, she remained so. and yet, once we have a podcast for the police salt, so here's a computer or console, so where to go somewhere? what to do? well we can see how it was historically in e. the 90s began. with the help of the massive dandy invasion, dandy squeezed out almost everything else, but the fact is that i really didn’t have computers, but they were used at work and computer games. uh, they survived by having employees stay there after work to play, i don’t know, the same wolfenstein 3d or something else. but then such an entity as computer clubs appeared. and there, uh, it was already possible to come, and, in general , play for inexpensively, and you used not only supercomputer. well, right at times, but you also got access to such a thing as

the internet, it was generally a fairy tale. well, that is , i, for example, remember for myself the first feeling when i was on the internet talking with a woman there, but from brazil. i kind of thought it was some kind of ridiculous prank. well, how can it continue. if we look at the statistics gradually computers began to come out ahead. they became cheaper more available everywhere appeared. and according to the statistics for the last year, e is about uh, 69, probably percent, uh, of the population use computers and use consoles about four times less , therefore, now, again, if you look at the trend, uh, those masterpieces that have always been released on consoles, and consoles they were precisely sharpened for the release of specific games , all of them. waiting for exclusives. only here. right now, the epochzhevs are starting to leave, and just as a result of the fact that computers have become more mass-produced and the last one is the same. thief, for example,

yes, last year he retired for many e fans. uh, by the way, i bought the console just for him. yes, now, as it were, why sell? everyone let's rewind a little bit now, because i thought we'd started. uh, ska- from the console dandy and can you count the rice as a portable? you look and its developer. well listen this is probably one of the oldest uh incredible dumps. he, in my opinion, is a citizen of, uh, russia, yes, i remember, and we even at one time, when in 2004 we held the first e-sports competitions on the big site. and then we had the cup of russia at the expocentre was held on krasnaya presnya, and pazhitov was his last name, and he was invited here, uh, he played in the show match in the network theater, we made a specialist where you could play against each other with uh, the minister of communications. here we have such a show-batch was wonderful, so everything is clear. listen,

in general, if we look at it now, our viewers will say, damn, what kind of ufags are sitting here? where are the mobile phones, where did the topic find the main thing, how do you like this topic? come on, let's go to the market, if you look like that. comps, well 22-23% on money yes, somewhere around 30 percent, well, smaller consoles and 50% - these are our mobile phones. well, there is still one percent. it's vr esports everything else together, how rude. wait for us, you're talking about money, what do you mean in terms of money? by 200 billion dollars the total volume of the world market, and at the same time we are talking about these seemingly small e-sports, little vera, what is it, there are 2-3 billion, and so further there, well, a little more it would seem nonsense. actually , it's not nonsense at all. look at the rate of growth there is already esports. how many times he went to football is not difficult to see what will be there in five years conditionally the future will be. yes , so now is just a great time

to invest in all this. this i support. i have been investing in this for more than twenty years. in advance, no one believed it was very hot at all, but now, yes, uh , really . reality. i'm sure on this will not stop and will go further and this is an industry. in general, it attracts people with what is possible in my understanding. eh, relax, you can make friends. and you can actually learn a lot, because a person likes to play. and when he does it with his friends. this is generally fine, and on this topic, always here's how to learn how to make games. how to learn something in games. i remember my students thinking, now i 'll do a quick test. well, do i have a mobile phone there for a year? yeah of course it's easy. let's do it mobile phone some mobile phones. development

costs tens of millions of dollars, and marketing can reach hundreds of millions of dollars for some mobile games. well, everything is apocalina 1.4 billion dollars a year. you represent a lot of money and a huge audience. how hard it is done i agree, but i will oppose. and for example, i once became interested. what kind of beast is such a mobile toy, and we made our own toy in a year. it cost us about half a million rubles. and we ate this money barely recaptured, because others have already invested in marketing. i had no interest, but to figure out how this thing works in general to come up with some kind of new game mechanics, and the game was called flipstone, and we pushed it onto both platforms. and in principle there was a large number of downloads, but we didn’t really bother with monetization. we were interested in trying. how can you feel it from the inside with your hands, so no. hey guys keep it up. this can be done both cheaply and cheerfully and even qualitatively. but to earn

is a separate art of the bone. tell me about students. you teach how to make games. yeah, uh, the last nine years are somewhere around this year. we had an idea in the fourteenth year. we launched on the basis of the higher school of economics. there is such a higher school of business a and everything is handy with alexandrovich oleinik gave us the go-ahead and we are like that. yes wow. now we have games right in the state university wow, but here it’s like hse is huge and there are a lot of students and everyone is interested, and moreover , the program itself pays off, that is, all the money that, uh, students bring, we send teachers for marketing and so on and so forth. as part of the program, we made our own board game and wrote a book, that's what i want to call games, and it turned out very cool. we miss about 60 people twice a year, that is, two parallel ceilings. and these people will then open their own company. how much the course travel on time, well 9 months 9 months and you are rich how much money oh i don't know that my students

earn much more than me, that is education by some kind of super oil now the history and what public universities i emphasized not only hse x look there, but st. petersburg state university and so on. everyone began to look into this sphere. what does it say, well, about the prospects of this market? absolutely correct. ah, in fact, we, as federations, also participated in this project, and just in the seventeenth year, it was from the higher school of economics. for the first time, we have launched esports courses. now it is also available in many universities. oh, and uh, i also did one lecture and told how our federation was created, why was it interesting at all, here, but in fact the story is very simple . hmm, i myself was a gamer. yes, and i really liked it. but this world is a wonderful internet. uh, warcraft is the second one. i played stark appeared . we decided to create a team created a team and realized that this team lacks

competition. well, they are not enough. let's hold jealousy, and then, uh, it turned out that this idea is like a virus. yes, it’s worth a person, but immerse himself, and he is infected with this idea. and then people, for example. quite a lot we decided to create a federation because it became it is clear that this movement will need the support of the state, and moreover, in my understanding, and games and cybersports, in particular. it's a great tool for getting your point across. you feel that the games are conveying something. or maybe positive morality, maybe a point of view, maybe culture oh, of course, yes, but for starters, i would probably like to discuss the topic of gaming and esports, that these are a little bit different, components of video games, from which you need to start because gaming is in fact. well, in many respects, what people imagine when they hear about video games in general, that is

, tanks came after work. yes, this is gaming, this is when you play for the sake of the game, you just spend it, so time is a bitch, and esports - this is essentially a sport, in general, in all its components, and esports is built not only on the fact that you train in that one. discipline in that kind of program, well, in which you play counter-strike dota and so on and so forth. and you also have to adhere to the correct daily routine. you must stay the best version of yourself to get better at the sport you play, that's why esports. it's not as easy and not as easy as many people think that you can play dota for 10 hours every day and you will become an international fan and win 18 million. let's say to your friends in the gym. you know, i missed the gym because i was into esports. let's not put any traditional dispute into opposition. it is absolutely. uh, necessary in conjunction, that

is, uh words in a healthy body, a healthy mind. these are not just beautiful phrases. this is an axiom. well that is, if you look at the majority of professional e-sportsmen, uh, who are on the same internet, you know, other things, uh, mostly guys. they have e not only fitness instructors, as in general, this is already the norm. they are seriously engaged in some direction. here is someone there who is a master of sports in fencing, someone there is engaged in basketball. and i can say by myself, well, uh, i used to do a lot of athletics there, and i won many different prizes there in my youth. there on the run on different distances, then sports rowing. and this is what helped me. uh, when i came to esports, and it was just emerging, and there, but the ability to move oneself, the ability to concentrate, the ability. that's what gives the traditional sport. the most discipline. she categorically helps, but the main thing

is not even in this physically, if a person feels bad, he cannot squeeze out. ah, maximum results. and this sorry loss of money opportunities prospects for the audience of fans - this is a collapse. well, if we call this topic, let's say, and young people understand. it’s clear that athletes are esportsmen, i’m already 36. i’m kind of thinking, maybe i’m still into esports, or it’s too late, but too late, but there is, uh, a direction, for example, ah, a puzzle competitor. here, for example, is also the hearthstone. you can still play. we once had a man, in my opinion, he was 56 years old ; that is, when you say the word game, i immediately have price tags in my head. listen, well, since interest rates, why are games so expensive, you know, a terrible topic, it just breaks the heads of our players. so they come and see 3,000 rubles.

for the game or some other 3.000. and now it's coming out. yes, let's say you're talking about hard she is 10,000 rubles high. these are catastrophic things. let's look at these numbers 3.000 10.000 5.000. it would seem obvious players, say the greedy developers. so, when are you going to eat? well, how much money can we have on the other side, in fact, everything is very simple. let's look at the platform that strokes the playstation xbox console, that is, sony or macost. let's see appstore google play yes, that is google apple or even steam computer game know what commission they put in their mouths 15%. this minimum well took this one with 10.030%, they took a commission, then the publisher appears and says. well, you know for accessing the audience so that i can tell the players about your game. well , let me take at least 50-60% from you, which means that from the remaining 70% we have left, and from 70

we take a person. yeah, 35% left. do it would seem ok by 35%. well, we'll live 500 left. i think it's easy, then we start watch taxes, don't worry. and we need to pay taxes. yes, we work officially , all bank transactions are money transfers, but the team had to be supported for something. do you know how much it cost to develop such games. well, let's say the most expensive game in history. god forbid, the memory of star wars was about 250 million dollars, that is, on average , triplay games, they can cost 50 million and more, and in this regard, it turns out to be greedy developments, nothing works out perfectly. here, they have now begun to create their own domestic plans. yes, of course, if it is lower, i think, i think that for domestic there should definitely be premium terms. can i come, just to the developers in a straight line to get to

the point that we generally somehow know each other? well , unfortunately, that doesn't work. in fact, they say, i know the game hits very hard, including sports, but that overwatch has already come out. he also had a huge potential in russia, many people wanted to play it, but it just cut off the price. i don’t know, there are 70% of the audience, that is, many people couldn't do it because of the price. and this, of course, is a disaster, but then you need to immediately say about the fact that, in principle, the release format of video games. he, too, has changed over the past year. that is before, as it happened. here they came to the store to buy a disc version of the game and went home at the moment. there are a lot of free-to-play games that survive on in-game transactions. yes, but this topic is even worse there, if here? yes , throwing money away will win, if there are greedy platforms, then there are greedy platforms and very greedy advertisers. let's see

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club. i was still surprised. well, i thought. well, the time is now like this, then it won’t be like this . it turns out that there are, and for some reason there are people who continue to be interested in wallet competitions. that is, who has more and so on. here, but once again, and i am pleased with something else, that now, in general, here is the same dota, for example, yes, it showed that there is an opportunity within world transactions without affecting the balance. and you can buy yourself a look. yes, so we call it how your character looks, and pay money for it to support your own. if you can imagine it allow. but at the same time , this does not affect the game balance. you have a character, good games would be more such e-sports, only such a place. sorry, but i experienced a lot with my cyber ​​in this fifa because here is fifa unfortunately, with all its pluses. uh. this is exactly the game that over the past few years has become pain's game because all tournaments are played in the ultimate

team game mode, er, this is the mode in which you assemble a team of cards for yourself. each card has its own characteristics. and every card there is a price inside the game currency, and there is a loot box, that is, packs that can be opened. these can be opened for in- game currency. can you open it like a real one? bash, why did they come up with loot boxes in order to earn more, because five people play the lottery. he's obviously paying more than he'd buy, of course, it's just math here. here i have everything against numbers, there are two things - a narrative plot. yes, and mathematics, that's what works well, but there is such a parameter as mathematical expectation. it allows calculate the cost of boxing, if everything is calculated correctly, it turns out. the fact that we sell what the player wants to buy for a high price, that is, you know, it's just pulling money, yes, but on the other hand. this has another implication. that is, it began with what everything is the same if online,

for example, yes, you could buy there, but a subscription hmm for your friend. that is, relatively speaking, one person bought a subscription for himself and paid more, let's say for 10 subscribers, and then he distributed these subscriptions to his friends and thus he could pay good enough. naturally, friends. he was somehow compensated within the game currency, thus the black market was still a little controlled. here and uh, it gave an understanding that there are people who are willing to pay for me hmm and on the other hand, then evolution went on to say, listen ah. if there are people who are willing to pay for a lot, maybe we can make it so that we sell expensive things to those who are willing to pay just a little. so we will not sell a thing, but the probability of acquiring it, so we got it from a loot box. and this excuse me, i'm playing with internal demons. e people, when there is excitement, when there is faith , what the hell, today i will definitely be lucky.

today is my day and that's when a man, yes, if you count, then each of these uh players who did not want to pay for god penny by penny by penny, and they paid much more than they could afford. really scary. in fact. it is interesting to combine with statistics. this is what you are talking about, but you represent in almost all markets of the world, if we look on mobile casual games lead three in a row. i think jack farms in the usa is casual - this is for a fairly wide audience. we divide games into hyper casual casual metcore hardcore hyper hyper all easy. everything is great. you never lose. no, resistance is a casual game, it can be difficult, it can be very difficult, but the entry threshold is easy, one mechanic, everything is clear , everything is clear. what to do? the medcore game lets you explore. here are the same games related to esports. they're mostly mitcore why because a man should be something to learn? that's what skill

shows, yes, and hardcore you suffer , suffer and suffer again, i explain the threshold of entry. if so, how long does it take you to figure out what to do in this game? we are a little subject of donations moved out, and i realized that here you are, while discussing. i have 20. that’s the thing, it’s terrible, as if we were opening the anonymous donators club, because the first thing that i realized that i had a lot of my money, honestly threw fifa and i’m ashamed to name this figure, but i’m ready to name the biggest donat which i did for one piece fifa comes out every year. that is, uh. now revelation began in september every year a new one comes out. fifa and so i made money on fifa competed in fifa and unfortunately, i supported not a very good story with payne and the biggest was more than half a million rubles in one version. wow

for a year, but not immediately not one single application. but the second thing is that i haven’t played fifa for several years already, at that level i’ve already moved a little away from esports, but we talked about donations. i i realized that i would, in principle, something to ride something beautiful would have turned out. eh friends. this is a comparty console podcast. my name is konstantin sakhnov, and my colleagues. they want to donate for 3 days. you know this, well, because the truth is, in fact , this is, uh, i don’t know how it works, it’s probably really social psychology, what happens to a person in life, but we are in life want to buy some beautiful thing to be. to attract the attention of other classes, everything seems to be the same running. a you have a golden hat. how many fifas of different versions did you buy, but played, at least the ninety-seventh, all the parts that came out, that is, roughly speaking, every year we can now the last fiat 23.

plus, there were also special editions coming out , such as this for the world championship european championship that is, there are still 6-8 games. well, that is, all of you paid attention to the announcements of the twenty -third year of 20 new assassins, one of them turned out to be a bunch, yes, and the metavers, it seems, like the assassins. that is, i mean that a lot there is a trend in the remake remake. here is a continuation of the old brands. why do you think? well, this is more broadly in my understanding, the release of another diablo there , it will hook it, then the audience that will not play it, but it will buy it, because it bought all the previous ones, because what is this great devil? how is this business? great blizzard is still there many decades ago, and already this will give additional profit value nice, what do you think? i think first of all i agree. it is easier to sell an old

brand than to create a new one. well, basically especially very popular, and the games that are being re-released are really the games that were insanely popular and now the residents are coming out. evil 4. well, who didn’t cut into the rating, but everyone played, and deadspace just came out dead space at one time tore the market apart. but that’s just more of a console, because it went on like this, if i’m not mistaken, an exclusive for the console, and later it came out , in my opinion, on the pc, but the point is not the point , the point is that and these are games in which we all played them, we thought that and now the playstation 5, and there is 490 ti video hmm xbox new. but if those games are to play again, generally discontinuous, it's simple. just mega cool and here we are back to the money. yes, yes, i agree with you here. just very simple. that's how much development costs. how much does marketing cost , we said these gigantic commissions in order to

beat it all off. they, of course, when you have a game cost of less than 1 million dollars, and there you don’t want to risk 10 more, so there are proven schemes where there really is an audience. but in general, to be honest, there is the feeling that there are fewer cool new products coming out every year. yes, i just remember before even there years, even, probably, 5-6 years ago. you open some yandex google e, in the search waiting for the main expected games there. ugh next year. and there is just darkness, and you are scrolling through, you understand, oh, this is what i want. and here we are, and we will play with a friend. well, that’s where i already scored 20 and 25 in my head. now i’ll even admit it, and just looked like a couple of days ago. i realized that, well, five. well, maybe you just got old? here so i can’t understand, i’ve grown old and there is my environment or have the games really become a little different, of course we all get old, but the fact is that the market is changing, and the market

is not changing by itself. it is changing along with our world, as we know, our world has entered a completely unique phase. eh, it can be called differently. sometimes it’s definitely interesting and will lead to colossal changes. and what we see now is an attempt to rebuild, because now a huge number of connections are beginning to break, and since nature does not tolerate emptiness. they appear elsewhere, perestroika is underway and just at that moment no one wants to take risks, so now everyone will play in the gamedev market. in my understanding, or as much as possible. or vice versa, the most adventurous. here's someone, probably now will try to make something very cheap, very, well, dacha. and it can shoot. you see, if we look at the game mechanics that are used, they are all beaten up. yes, a new mechanic may appear, or with the advent of a new tool. here is the same virtual augmented reality, or

something fundamentally new from the point of view of the approach, but, uh, virtual reality, it has already presented a lot of things to us. but, by the way, hmm, i'm young, but i still remember the time, but they called the young games, but there were no mice. oh yeah. there were simply no mice and played. i have the same wolfenstein on the keyboard and still played mortal kombat. yes, yes, yes, yes, and then there was a mouse. and you know, that was the feeling when it was as if the wings behind my back opened up. i i realized that there are huge opportunities in front of me, this small simple tool allows you to do something that was previously impossible. in principle, therefore, it is quite possible now. technological breakthrough moment let's take one more moment as we have. uh, the first issue, we're just introducing our audience. possibly with computer games. and who it is the audience of video games, it really plays everything here

there is some age. here we can highlight, and there is the popularity of men that play, mostly only young people. on really. this is really a delusion, and if in russia we can talk about the average age of a gamer, very different estimates from the higher school of economics give 36-37 years, and some polls give 31-33 years. this is due to the fact that you are 36. how related is that about myself i did not say this. i didn't confirm anything. and in the usa it’s a little older, and in china it’s a little younger, but more or less all over the world there is a general trend that it’s not children who play , moreover, most importantly, it’s not children who pay. we as developers, what we want, we want a day earn. we don't want to just make free games that we pay for ourselves, so we want to make games for adults. we will make games smarter. we want to make games with a big story, so that you yourself would be interested in making these games, as i understand it, right? well

, including there is such a thing as simple games, it seems to me, that is, first you do it did. it's just insanely difficult to make a simple one , roughly speaking, much more difficult in my understanding. and as i said, games are, uh, huge popularity, this is culture, and this guide and in my understanding now around the world, and the state will make government orders to create the right games for the youngest population. look at china, the same thing has already begun there. you can then say that playing is already a new copper. is it an already accomplished fact or is it the future than media. it is something more. than entertainment. this is a new kind of culture in my understanding. this is the junction of the culture of art - this is something that did not exist before. well, that sounds really ambitious. this is true, but as they say, they put everything will lead, but it's very interesting and really, according to

statistics, people now play games more than go to the cinema, for example, this has already happened, that moment helped us. let's be honest 19.6% of the point for the pandemic is not seasoned sprouts. they do. this is the 20th year we usually grow there, well, 8% a year here almost 20 at once. naturally, all investors broke down to give money for games. naturally, these are indirect and private investors and funds. all in russia , such a number of investment funds have appeared that i have never seen exactly according to the results this twentieth year. well, okay. these are the growth rates. i would like to invest in it. why would this lead us to casual gamers or developers? even more vacancies more products someone will fail. yes, this is a fact of venture, it's okay, but suddenly there will be cool titles. i would like to believe in the best. i believe in our geniuses too. even against the background of esports, it happened many times. yes, we have the genius of esports alive growing.

repeat again, please, russia has always been rich in talent. and uh. task in my understanding of the state. just help with this talent. you know how they joked in the soviet union. help it with talent mediocrity. here is the same story. eh, now that's the direction. you know how we made friends. i propose to slow down at this point today, so that there is an interesting topic. you will find out in the next issue what is in store for video games in russia now? we are twenty-third year and generally talk in more detail, how i will make money on the computer will share with us friends. is this a podcast pc or console? my name is ilya pelikatsky esportsman and my friends dmitry smith president of the russian esports federation konstantinskiy game producer game developer teacher of the higher school of economics put likes everywhere on the tv set like button see you very soon.

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