[000:00:00;00] uh, veronica, you live in moscow you teach at mgimo you meet many people with officials with experts with normal people who are not involved in making decisions on foreign policy we have an idea what putin's positions are at least as president these positions formulates tell us about the general situation in moscow and the opinion of the people you meet. you see some kind of pressure , some prerequisites for russia to admit defeat. i think that these people seem to be in another reality sometime i often remember the words of merkel in the fourteenth year. she said that putin is in a different reality. after that, i

am convinced many, many times that in the west everyone is in a different reality. they just have no idea. well, you know, i do not rule out that serious people, like me and the general, have stopped coming to your center to explain what the situation is in russia, what is the opinion of russian leaders and they are fed by information, probably also one-sided and absolutely wrong. is there one in russia? very clearly the expressed determination of the russian leadership and the president, and he repeats this many times , to bring the special operation to its logical conclusion. we know what must happen for this logical conclusion to come.

no one has canceled, neither denocification, nor militarization and so on, but at the same time, of course, no one considers that russia can be defeated in this e in this clash and in this operation. i just have to say that after the first weeks. when well, as it seemed to them, russia wanted for 3 days in a week or to capture in two, kiev to change power, there, and so on, and then they were forced to regroup russian troops from chernigov sumy from near kiev, and so on. it was then that this idea arose that the russian army was not ready for anything, weapons - this is old rusty iron, uh generals are not suitable for anything. uh, they made a strategic

miscalculation, there are a million of these things and russia is doomed to defeat. but here we once already spoke on this subject not only, they spoke, again for the west and for the leadership. here echoes. here we heard this gentleman in this speech. with a margin of safety in power a long distance to mobilize we know what they say, yes to him it is already. so i'm saying that history really happens in moscow and in real moscow it happens that in reality i just wanted to indicate this in order to answer this one, but in reality it happens that the expectation that they will be able to drive in,

they will say a wedge between the people and the authorities, well, how come our billions are our property. it also did not materialize that the authorities would be afraid to announce mobilization, because they somehow according to their logic in their opinion. this will be a violation of a certain agreement between the authorities and society - this also did not materialize. not only that, yes, there are some percentage of people who do not support the operation, in my opinion, from this figure 20 to 80 80% support, that is, moscow and russia have demonstrated amazing unity. and that was the time in the fourteenth year. some perspicacious liberals. i forgot some names. they then wrote in the fourteenth year after

the crimean events. what to stop pushing moscow, you will destroy us inside russia because russian liberals will have nowhere to go, because psychologically and politically a situation will be created when society will not accept us, we will be considered, uh, traitors and enemies of russia, and we will cease to exist. in principle, this is what happened, but the truth is, this is not because the authorities have taken any repressive measures, but because there are so many of these people who considered themselves opponents of the current government. they themselves ran away because they had no support here and moreover, not a single one of them, which means warning and predictions. how the process will develop did not materialize, i tried to say about the same thing to one e of our

mutual friend, we will not name the name. the leading american journalist who interviewed you in the past, i think, but i know, yes, we will not be one, and in general, when i said this, there was no impression, it still counts. i hope that the person is decent and does not lie deliberately, but there was no fear that they would show me some potemkin villages, but i asked in all seriousness, but the moscow streets were empty, and another person. uh, washington said. and that's all, probably, now in moscow i feel very lonely all in the restaurant, because there are 3 million people. uh, they left, but now they have a radical position, as you know, there are a lot of, uh, body radio stations, u telegram channels. in general, they are already telling how the supporters of the authorities in

moscow are, how they are in complete panic, how they are going to run away. have you seen this in person? no, not only did i not see it. here i did not list dmitry in vain. here are some things to show what these people really are. i also follow youtube , these are all sorts of programs from vilnius and from riga from berlin from washington these people live in a different reality. and they are so comfortable, they just know that i am for our viewers. if someone reads reads, someone does not read, to make it clear, all the questions that journalists ask these bloggers are from there, especially if, uh, someone from russia participates in these programs, the first question. when the generals rise up against the commander-in-chief, but then they say, but no,

somehow it seems that nothing like this happens, even such people are asked, like, aleksashenko. eh, ilarenova, there and so on. these are the leading uh operations that occur when the west, when sanctions destroy the russian economy. we must pay tribute to these people, for all their criticism of the current government. still, they have enough. there are many and they value their reputation and say, look, don't expect an ambulance soon surrounded by the russian economy these sanctions. no matter how difficult they are for the russian economy, they are surmountable. yes the next question is the last one.

eh, they are. but if we declare, it means that russia is a state sponsor of terrorism, and then just alexander or illarin, i don’t remember, they said, listen to the sanctions that should be for such states, even more severe sanctions were imposed on russia, but this does not work. well, these two people who mentioned him can have a different attitude to the political position, which i definitely did not share and will never share, but you are right. they have have professional competence. but basically, after all, these these people, who have now uh filled all these western stations and uh , they just don’t want to list the names of their legionaries and the name eda. putin use the expression of a woman with limited social responsibility. they are people. they are people with no particular occupation, they have none. qualifications and the less they know, the more categorical they are in their apoleptic

prophecies, but there are people who would seem to know better, i don’t know if it tells you general something like the name nikolai malomuzh, well, they hear something. yes, it's ukrainian. yes, it was not ukrainian intelligence in them from 2005 to 2010, but uh, he kind of gives the impression that he was not only aware, which means he is still very well aware. and so, let's see what he predicted in terms of russia's action in ukraine and why putin would never risk taking any drastic measures, especially some kind of use of nuclear weapons. let's listen to his explanation. a powerful blow, only it’s still about shelling, then blows will begin to whip them up and

they dealt a colossal blow to moscow at other decision-making centers, including the bunker , he has five of them, i know where it is 140 m underground, so all this is known and colleagues to our anti-center under full gun, therefore, i am very big that he will not come to such a decision, because he himself will destroy everything. this is the end of the year. i want to tell you the question is not as a politician, but as a military professional. you can imagine imagine inflicting this kind of strike on the control command center in moscow on bunkers on uh, missile launch systems, you can imagine that uh, this was done and uh washington after that remained in the same place where it is now. i only uh , i don’t understand who will strike, are they americans or ukrainians, if we are talking

about ukrainians, then i don’t understand what they will strike with their finger, or what? or they, uh , bill burns, delivered such a warning. ah, the russian leadership. i know bill bers a lot can be said about him, but he is not a dangerous lunatic. i also met and talked with him on several occasions. in general, he gives the impression of a sane and responsible person. therefore, ukraine simply does not have ukraine. it is unlikely that they will ever appear, because, well, if you only imagine that the americans will hand over to the ukrainians, there are intercontinental ballistic missiles or, uh, strategic aviation. well then then with nuclear and warheads yes with nuclear warheads. well, as they say, dream not harmful, but i think it is. this is complete nonsense. i find this statement very dangerous. i'll tell you now why, naturally, not because

such a blow is at least somewhat real, e, he is generally a ridiculous idea. secondly, er, if someone tried to do this, then before this blow had even reached the moscow of those who wore it. eh, the inevitable retribution would not have befallen them, and they understand this very well, and therefore they never went for it. here i have, uh, the general is concerned that if this is true, the way they think in kiev if they really think they can do anything. and moscow will not dare moscow will be frightened, it seems to me that they live in kiev with very dangerous illusions. it is quite clear that they are living with very dangerous illusions. i won’t even say more, let’s not talk about nuclear weapons there, but now the russian federation has a means of the usual conventional means of destruction

hypersonic e, dagger missiles, which can , without entering the air defense coverage area e, deliver a precision strike on any object on territory of the united states, especially along the east coast. e. i'm sure the americans know about this and play these games, even if the ukrainian armed forces find themselves, well, completely in distress on the verge of defeat. they, uh, will not go to a direct armed clash with the russian federation for all for obvious reasons, that is. uh, tell general i have a wife in washington right now. i can assure her that i can sleep. calm down and don't worry. i think i think that since uh events develops on present day. she can sleep perfectly well because, uh, no belligerent or provocative statements. i

think that glinka's statement is very provocative, they are not capable. uh, drastic change. e, position on the e, battlefield. and the fact that, well, maybe earlier, maybe a little later, but the ukrainians will be defeated. i have no doubt about it. uh. i have one wonderful thing about what you showed, knowing gordonna and knows whom he invites. i think there is another explanation why they do it. and by the way, they do it every day it explain who mentioned it? explain who gordon is. this is the man who showed it. this is an absolutely disgusting creature that lives in a pathological hatred of russia for any russian. that is, in general, he considers his involvement in the ukrainian special services.

we don't blame him. yes, but it seems to me that all of his programs and all the people that they are have one goal to exert a psychological and propaganda impact on the audience in russia in order to intimidate people and say that russia is in in a hopeless situation, the whole song is sung, in general, leave for something suitcase, because there will inevitably be a rout and our triumph and parade on red square for all these months this guy and his channels are all the people who work for him, and he really is in ukraine in this realm e information warfare psychological warfare, there and so on is the leader. but, that is the main thing. that's

why i have it regularly appear. they know very well from his own words that he represents the ukrainian special services. yes and eat to it on a regular basis. they know what they are doing is absolutely right. that's it . purposefully, this has nothing to do with the truth of reality. this is just spreading disinformation and psychologically influencing russian society. well, and there already how it will turn out. well, the last question, general. in war as in war and of course there are always e weeks when there is some good news sometimes. unfortunately, inevitably there are, when the new week, when the news is not very good. you know better than me that even when the soviet the army was advancing on berlin, there were weeks when,

in general, it was enough. uh, it's hard, but here, looking at the picture, uh on the battlefield today . what are your predictions regarding russian actions and uh, the so-called ukrainian offensive. uh, you know, well , about the ukrainian offensive. i'll give you one more time. uh, just want to reiterate that i don't see. i do not see the strength of the means in ukraine in order to carry out an offensive, the only place where they planned and can carry out offensives in this direction. or poplar but there uh open space once again is the basics of military art. how to conduct an offensive operation without superiority. in the air, moreover, when the opposite side has almost complete air supremacy, i can’t imagine. even if these unfortunate 100-150

tanks are delivered to them, which is also very doubtful, no weather. it won't do for the russian group, of course. here is a carbon to bakhmut. uh, this is now, uh, mainstream. yes, there is progress. uh, it's hard, but only because it's all urban. development. this is a continuous urban, glomeration , one settlement passes into another, uh, battles. a fight in the city. this is the hardest kind of combat. and taking into account the installation which e has, the russian military leadership. namely, to minimize losses. uh, then, of course, i believe the pretty lady who is in charge. uh, pmc wagner that it will take at least another month to take bahmut. although, i hope that this will happen faster , there always comes some kind of psychological, turning point, after which events significantly change.

are accelerating. i, unfortunately, do not know, uh, mr. prigogine, but i know well, uh , democracy, who uh was the leading adviser to the department of defense under trump and also commanded shock tank units of his past military career during the desert storm during desert storms speaking yesterday on the fox channel a. he said that it is quite rational that the russian army is in no hurry to take over, but because it is inevitable, it would lead to unnecessary losses, but he said that the russian army is very much learned first about the operation, and he said he was particularly impressed. how much you have managed to understand, and what you have managed to master. what are

the skills of russian officers and russian generals he said that of course a recruit is a recruit. although many of them fight, as he said, because they do not understand the danger, especially fiercely. well, in general, he says the army is determined by and large by the quality of the generals and officers and what kind of leadership how much leadership they can provide and here's another point army of success is determined by the ability of the troops learn during the fighting. that's it. this he said, here on these e. in wise words, and mr. mcgregor, i would like to finish, and our program today, see you

next week. a free program podcast with you tonight. i am maxim trankov and my guest today is the legendary soviet figure skater, the legendary russian coach elena germanovna vodorezova. good evening maxim for you, as well as for me and for, probably, for many of our colleagues. eh, life is divided into two parts. it is sports and coaching, which one has the most weight for you, when they start asking me about my activity , i can’t even i can’t even say in what years i won something or what medals i have in which year i have it completely completely erased, because

well, that's how it is when they interview me. for me, it’s somehow very hard to remember everything about my sports activities, so, probably, of course, more than what is happening today. now i will help you just remember a little, because that i was just preparing a little for this interview and i know your sports career, because she really was great. you are the youngest soviet athlete who ever took part in the olympic games in the history of soviet sports. it was 76 years old. you were only 12 years old. yes, i am currently training these children. sometimes i look at them, i think, how would they go to the olympic games now. it would probably be impossible. and then, uh, well, the bug took me and cooked for a whole year. i'm nowhere i spoke, and a year later a commission came, so to speak, then, yes, from the federation, he

showed me and, uh, they gave everything. good. no big deal, let it be. here is such a small one, probably, on the one hand, it was easier, because you are small, you don’t really understand how at school. performed well. the first is bad the tenth. that is, there was no such thing. somebody still didn’t understand this, not political, what is it? yes, all the same , the olympics are a struggle of states. so let's just say it was completely incomprehensible to me. i came just for next competitions. well, the only thing that i had was that they took me, basically everything was passed by the hand from one. about something else, that is, i was brought by athletes who lived with me to a stop. a bug picked me up there, or sometimes one of the hockey players even drove me there, so i was like that , baby well, baby, yes, yes, yes, yes, so , like, 12 years old, yes, you live only with women

already with adults. yes, there are real stars, there are long rodnina pakhomova lyudmila yes, and who took care of you? natalyanchuk, we lived together. here and in general, we are so good with her and then, uh, to all the competitions. basically, there was no living, but there was some kind of hazing or you were treated very well. well, probably due to the fact that i was really small. eh, they treated me really well. and i don't remember such a thing, so that someone would me right here. do you remember what your mother told you when she escorted you to the olympic games on the first , i don’t remember. my parents are very modest and they were very calm about everything, so, probably, i was very calm about everything that happened it didn't work out great. that is, i didn’t have any excitement at all, but wait, you returned from the olympic games already a real star. that is, you already knew the entire union. yes, you were recognized on the street, how

to deal with it. i am inclined to think about this too, that this is upbringing and due to the fact that my family is very calm and modest to success. and even the fact that even later, when i had athletes performing there. my mother was sometimes even the last to know what was happening there, yes, in my life, because all this was very calmly perceived well. well done. come on, it's not like that. you mother perceives today. you won three more medals at the european championships and a medal at the world championships, and you did it for the first time in soviet figure skating, but none of the medals were gold. what got in the way? what do you think, the young age is at first specific, because indeed, it can be good jumping, but not very good skating. and that was the reason. e,

as now, most likely, e do not put me somewhere high. and then, in general, they said, even at the first olympics when i went. here the federations told me what they said , they asked why it was so far, it seems like i made a splash there at the very first olympics why so far? because you have the first dances, because you have the couples first men , everything on the pedestal will wait a little with us in case. as now, but then you amazed everyone, as you already said with technical complexity, and you do not simultaneously conduct what is now, in principle, later. well, in general, i think innovation. it is always noticeable and always discussed and therefore always interesting and really beetle. in general, he overtook many generations. and the fact that sometimes i now meet my performances there and i see what i see, i see what i

did it does. now it’s definitely a special program, yes, which is for children, we are just starting to raise children in this special industry, and then i already did all these elements, that is, he tried it all on me, so, of course, this is the genius, first of all, of the coach in this and, accordingly and now a brilliant coach. but i found some fees with stanislam, alekseevich beetle summer, yes, uh, in the south and at his favorite base. unfortunately, he passed away the next year, but i've been proud all my life that i still trained with him. and this, well, it was just very hard hard. yes, it is difficult, and then i saw how you work and i became friends with many of your athletes. ah, you don't use that one, do you? still, they

told you something that i'm not like that. this is the gathering we hated we went to ride only because he was very fond of spearfishing, and we dragged stones like that. yes, probably, he also did it for the most part on a large number of throws at that time he swam under water, when he swam under water, we sat down and waited for him to come up as soon as the tube appeared from the water. we mean pretended to throw these stones. these are our moments. anyway, soviet children also want yes, yes, yes , somewhere we have freebies, it was we had very difficult cross-countries on stones, and indeed me there we were little girls. fine? there were adults. i'm with greenhouses all. i trained and there were moments when there was such a storm. and we ran right along the coast over the stones, and we could generally fly off anywhere, and the guys just had time to catch us, including me. that's

how we were friendly from such difficulties. here, well, no, the sport has changed, and we live with you in another country, so every year figure skating is still changing and now there is no point in doing it, because there are many other technologies are very many specialists who are more professional. this is what soviet children do and now our modern russian children do the intensity of training. uh, the number of hours. there is some difference, too, we can not compare , if you know such obligatory figures, yes, which, for example, i hated with all my heart. and we started from 7:00 in the morning to 9:00 in the morning, and from 9:15 to 11:00 we already skated a free program. yes, that is , this is an hour you only ride in the morning and four hours. in the evening you can compare this impossible. even now i can’t imagine how this can be sustained, and plus some kind of choreography, we definitely

had a wonderful choreographer from the moiseev ensemble. and we just recently talked open lessons. all the management came to us, watched these open lessons. we can just say, the initial stage of the moiseev ensemble, so everything was very tough and professional and hmm is incomparable. i think now, maybe the children would not have endured it like that, that is, we are generations of freeloaders, well, simpler simpler honestly simpler, then what is the reason for the modern generation, that the bar has already been raised so much for all these quadruple jumps? less again, uh back to the fact that the coach is to blame, yes, who is ahead of his time and trying to be the best of it. a coach who wants to be first and accordingly he does everything and overtakes his time. and what motivated you, soviet athletes, and

what motivates an athlete from another century now? well, in fact, well, i do. well, what motivated you, you know? eh, here i am i remembered about it, too, i was once asked recently. i liked it. first of all. i liked it very much. even when asked, i don't like anything. go figure skating there. i did not understand this question at all, of course, i liked it. we continue to communicate with you with an outstanding athlete with a great coach elena german and you need to train every day twice a day and almost the whole day. yes , it’s not for you to explain to me, and who can withstand it, although you were also not an easy athlete and champions are absolutely not it happens. we tell you that we have found a place for you. you have never trained me, but you are very emotional, it is , on the one hand, emotional in work - this is one thing when you have to overcome. here

is the physical. yes, there are a large number of hours, that is, for you, too, it was not always. well, i know you endured endured, yes, and then the whole ivanovo. well, that's okay. it's a sport. correctly you speak simple with champions, not in general. i don’t know who such prasts are, probably, who are simply came together in total, well, as a rule, complex athletes. they are always champions. let's talk about your native, and for me, too, not someone else's club cska and it has always been the best school. well, if i don’t even know how to say in the union, well, in moscow it’s definitely in the union lately, yes, a and lately in moscow, yes, that is, everyone dreamed of getting into cska , uh, when i played for cska and i i went to the russian championship and said cska i was proud of it. yes, now you feel that

athletes, maybe less somehow it is scattered, that there are so many schools, what do you less now, even here the set is not as large as before. if we had queues on the street to sign up with us, that is, now there is no such thing. i asked others at other rinks. as the same in connection with what in connection with the fact that there are a lot of private schools. private schools are located near the house and, accordingly, it is logical for parents to always take their child away. where it is nearby and start just with pleasure , then when the coach advises and there the parents see the prospect of their children. naturally, they then already lead to professional clubs, but if in soviet times they went to schools, looked for talented children, yes, they invited coaches to the sections, including, well, this is to other sports, now maybe a coach should pay attention to private schools and find. maybe there are some talented children there, but

a private school, they still come to those coaches themselves, uh, who, as parents, they are now all this is available, all this sees, who is now better at cska news for the voice of moscow if you can at home there in a residential area is sad, of course, when it's all nearby. it starts like this from the beginning. naturally, when you already know your parents very well. now everything is sorted out. this is a separate topic for conversation, then they begin to delve into figure skating. here is the seething life, and they themselves determine who is better to hit. yes , therefore, everything now depends more on the parents, than on the coaches and now the parents choose they are the coaches. how do you feel about parents playing such a role? serious, that is, they are managers and coaches and parents and doctors and everything in the world. it's rather positive none. of course, i am negative. if we really talk about professional sports, then, of course, i

have a negative attitude, because well, let's put it this way, we don't tell them, but their professions. yes , there parents work as translators or doctors there? we do not tell them about their profession. why are they telling us? how to work? this is a bit wild for me. that is, i consider as if you led to you either trust your son’s coach or you don’t, unfortunately, and you yourself know that a lot of good children disappear just because parents are zombies, this is the worst thing, because sometimes you don’t even take such a child because you already know its the end. yes, this story, because it also delves into it. this is mom's or dad's ambitions. they want more mom or dad and a 15-year-old child, as a rule, they finish, because it is impossible to withstand it. but in soviet times, there were

such things here. in soviet times, there was no because, firstly, our parents all worked, they brought me, as for example , if you take my case by 7:00 in the morning, they brought me and there at 6:00 at 7:00 in the evening they took away my mom and dad's work schedule. now parents, they practically give their lives , dedicate their lives and therefore demand from their children due to the fact that i have invested so much in you, respectively, you have to give so much earlier. here you came from the olympiad of the seventy-sixth year, what did you get from this from the state from the federation , i probably already had at the age of 15 by the age of sixteen apartment and car. that is, now he did not earn more than his parents. they made me a work book. that is, there were some exceptions. yes, it seems to me that even now it’s more difficult

to remember some salary things, i remember, i think 250 and 300, in my opinion, some 400 were big, i’m more an engineer. my parents got 120. i received much more. yes, exactly what you spent did not spend. well, i say at that age i was where i spent. so i gave my parents everything, and the parents act, because i have. all were also very modest teachers. then i asked them where the dacha is, where are the apartments, where is everything , here's a car, well, already a car, then i was already an adult by this time already up to how many years from 18, how can this be? yes, right away , and, probably, she was engaged in driving lessons, probably two or three lessons. and after that, my teacher tells me everything is fine. come on by yourself and still and very lazy to walk i can go to the next bakery by car for me to spoil from

this money at such a young age. well, i don’t know, again, it’s necessary to ask my relatives if it spoiled me or not. i don't think so. i am very calm about them athletes. well, you understand, again it depends on the person, when you see that you are so greedy that it is impossible, and that, although on the other hand i am my athlete, i can honestly tell you that you should not be shy. if you want to earn, please earn but you before you leave work. you should get the result, but now there is a lot of the same in addition to sports, there are a lot of options for athletes to earn money, that is, a huge number of ice shows, moreover, which even in the middle of the season go there for the new year. and why is it a bad and acting athlete? so i want to ask you, this is bad and very good. i’ll explain to you why it’s not here, the first thing is that when we rode, so i know, there is also a native land, when it ended, she

was offered this american, uh, this show to go sideways, but they didn’t let her, but she- then you understand how i could make money, yes , earn, that is, it is over, and all. she had to think about what to do next. well, as if a coach, yes , that's it, there was no other way. well, i just want to say that the possibilities are much greater now than before, for example, uh, i'm not the type of person to go to the show at all. well, initially. i don't care, it also had to be a person who knows how to skate shows, who still knows how. it turns out to entertain people. yes, somehow create a mood for them. i am not from this series of people. i mean, it's just not mine. and if, probably, i had unsuccessfully married, then i would, probably something, well, somehow you had to think about doing something in this life. and uh, if there is such an opportunity, and people want it, thank god and thank god that these shows exist. i'm only