trains precisely because she deserved it. well, at least that's how he positioned himself. what do you think, here tolstoy condemned anna if in life tolstoy communicated with a woman who did this, he would condemn her. i believe in this. i am also sure of this, but here he acts as the author of the novel, respectively, this is his heroine and they are in love with her and fall in love with her to read. i don't think he's directly in love. he was mesmerized there in a certain sense of the energy that this woman has, and i don't think he wrote condemnations of her, like woman a new version of the novel was called, well done, woman. the first name of chernov will guess that everyone already knows whether he is a fine fellow? yes, it’s rude, really, don’t forget that tolstoy is generally peculiar to irony. well, for some reason we forget about it all the time. he was human. yes, amazing read more. the letters

that they had in yasnaya polyana are such a family post where everyone wrote some of their letters, joke notes, everything that they could read, wrote something. lev nikolaevich yes. you see, how much there really is such, er, irony yes, which is under this condemnation, that you will not understand seriously he or he laughs at this. that's why i think he didn't judge. well, but he knew her path was leading her there. this is absolutely clear. it seems to me that this position is unambiguous and presents us with tolstoy as moralists, because it is clear that if a person follows the path of violation there, for example, i do not know marriage vows and the rules of society. he is bound to die. but we are all. um, actually, we are all social snakes, we are social people. we live in a society. we live by certain rules. and as soon as we begin to break them all without offering. nothing new is carried away in return. with your bright ideas, the crowd then, in principle,

you find yourself in a really very disastrous situation. by the way, do not forget that she was a morphine addict during the time of tolstoy and actually karenina morphy was the only anesthetic medium, and therefore e did not yet understand how it affects, i must say in roma they have a conflict at that moment. he is against it. that is, he understands that this is not very adequate, let's say. i've used morphy before. as a sleeping pill, as a means to calm down. and why was she worried? how did her relationship with the russian develop after they fled to italy ? he, he went to meet her. so he stayed with her. he did not leave his leg to run away to get a divorce, he takes responsibility, that is, a good man,

by the way, behaves. in this case, very gratitude, but nevertheless in the end they have. uh, it feels like love. eh, she's gone. is there such a feeling or is it some kind of anna's fantasy? i think so. anna created this feeling in her relationship, because she , well, for the first time. yes, i experienced some strong feelings and passion, when i didn’t think of a man here for copper, which, probably, the problem is that i no longer had a choice. well , that is, she saw this bronsky and gave herself to him, as it were. yes, all of my passion. although if there were any options, by the way it seems to me that this is an interesting idea, because i also had the feeling of a root-bath, that she is very energetic, let's say. so there is something to say, the world has something to do? she has energy for some changes around and this energy is too much for karenin, he absolutely does not absorb it. and these are like when her potential and brun

's, which gave her intelligence, please, as katya said, whoever got in the way, she gave all her accumulated and possibly. by the way, what is it because, but she doesn’t could work to express herself in a different way. she expresses herself. eh, i'll tell you about the love of life. yes, i couldn't work. and leo tolstoy, by the way, was very respectful of married people. there is such a seating, he has about kitty that we sculpt gives me a rest and somehow behave in general. well, in some way. femininity at the beginning of marriage, because what a big job she has ahead of her. a and the liars, by the way, show themselves to be a wonderful talented host when they leave the city little girl. first of all, she has children. well, at least a daughter from a beloved man . god, what a charm, little, baby. secondly, there is a house, and vronsky is fond of architecture, they subscribe to magazines, and she began to read something there to retell him there is a household, and there is

an upbringing that a school will pick up. in the end, or the hospital. you can find yourself there there, but instead there is terribly annoying, what vronsky spends on this time you say, but that part of e history, when a woman has already lost her reputation has lost her son. and i'm telling you to start at the beginning of the novel. she carries with her huge energy charges and thinks who would sell it economically and really thinks to whom to give it, she perfectly realizes the shine in st. petersburg, she already seems to me to be a recognized beauty, and we see. it is easy, but it breaks the grinding in the cookie completely, as it seems to me, well , in the most cruel way, knowing, tell me about this situation. well, not on purpose, don't ask, what is she doing dancing dancing. see the whole situation is built at all this novel that leo tolstoy m-m is very convincing let's say so convincing when you enter there, but also when you read it for the first time. i

remember well a and even the second one. and you believe everything she says, and only after some certain- it's me so yes, a certain time. after reading, you pay attention to what is acceptable. she says god i love chrysanthemums so much, if you knew i love chrysanthemums. i would surround everything with chrysanthemum as soon as she is given a chrysanthemum. she throws them away, she sneezes from allergies. and that is it happens to her. she tramples on these chrysanthemums, but at the same time, god, i love chrysanthemums so much , i can’t live without them, what a pity that i don’t have them. but uh, throw off such a situation, she comes to reconcile, by the way, here you are his brother, and also, in general, the moral quality of the brother, whose wife left, but did not leave, it was curious that leo tolstoy he often emphasizes this sibling, that here is a brother and sister from us satan. listen she made up his wife. you say that says that she is a good bright person. she

reconciled, he must reconcile him share her ask, and you would have asked and treason and anna immediately no, well, her first movement. it was written by tolstoy, and then she remembered like that, that in the world you say, well, yes. well, yes. well, it 's worth it. you are also a moralist. yeah, well, in general , probably, yes, i think that a well, how to say. you can love, you need to love, but you can’t lie to be hypocritical, you can change your life and you need to change your life, you can’t. at the same time destroy the lives of others and so on. on the contrary, she tries to be all the time. uh straight from morning to night. she says what is convenient for her and when it is convenient for her when it comes to divorce. it’s not from her that you can’t get a word, and knees are asking from her. say what you want from her. he says voronsky should get a divorce, we should get married. you have a child, but she is yulia all the time, so women are the strictest judge. i'm watching lina look at her and probably hard and incredibly incredibly

hard and hmm kind of trying. that is, you remove yourself from it. here she is a figure that does something, something terrible to do and so on. and try it. well understand, at least the reviews that lead to chastise the book, true story. she is a root. they mostly dislike negative women. they are aggressive towards, indeed. moreover, people, well, women of the age who have gone through some kind of experience, have already understood that this is not an ancient shroud. well, it may already be such a kind of maternal squatting is already being born that i know how to live, and i will speak. yes, i'll tell you how not to. that's what you did, bad and so further, when the man inside became roman, 44 years old, he was a mature man and mature, but at the same time still single, and even he did not treat her so harshly, he could not

treat her harshly, after all, he is a young man and at that at the same time, he is already a mature person. that is, you understand, i read the book and see that it is enough with my own eyes. you read, of course. let's, uh, talk about the situation of a modern woman going through a divorce. look. elina, you divorced with two similar children. no, i mean not the situation. and in the sense, then, well, yes, in general, yes in overall it was such an experience. tell you. uh, as far as i know, this divorce was loud enough in the context of a dramatic environment, yes, dramatic. please tell us about how you lived it, maybe in the current of your relationship to karenina lie. although maybe yes. you know, i don't think that the crime against karenin is neither in passion nor in love. if you can call it love, and i think the crime is that she manipulates people does not give them anything.

and let's say, when i was going through a divorce, perhaps the most painful was that very moment when you cannot negotiate with a person. you offer these different times to yourself to the detriment of any of these and just expect a direct answer and direct action. but i think each of us is unimportant in a divorce, places in such a situation have come across once you get absolutely. this is the famous formula given double message, double message right? well, yes. well, you didn't guess. and you did wrong. you went the wrong way, and in general, of course, well, it doesn’t closely resemble my situation. yes, but nonetheless. i understand, that the reasons are not touched at all. i just want to talk to you about whether your life has changed, you've uh gone through a divorce, and we're talking about a modern context. kitty's story thank god that everything turned out like this, so to speak, reading karenin's novel. you have the feeling that she describes the situation. this is what it could be like today, or you feel the difference in times, these rules of limbs now and divorce. it's not at all it's not

becoming a guy. you don't have to pass. oh my god what is it called. yes make a decision through the church jesus yes , explain why you are divorcing, yes, as a rule, this is adultery. there is such a moment when, in fact, anna yes started, but the root. she was ready to take on sirening, she was ready to take this blow and tell the synod to get a divorce that on any day it would seem that she has all the cards in her hands there is a man who is ready. yes, take responsibility. mind you, it's really cool. yes, questions. lucky woman. you know come, yes, knees are perfectly fine. they both take care of her. can i i'll bring in a big say. so historical can be here the fact is that the process of divorce in the xix century, it is more complicated than everything. today it is really more difficult. in the event that anna is accused of adultery, she cannot

continue to marry according to the law and, accordingly, the children cannot continue to live with her. that is, if indeed the situation is revealed, as it is. she loses the opportunity to marry an official bronnitsky and this is very important officially. so he can’t, respectively, leave himself an earring, but the option that is offered. well which karenin persuades steve and he agrees to this situation, when karenin takes the blame, respectively, he cannot marry, but he agrees. more than that, he can’t imagine giving a ten-year-old child to be brought up by a woman who cheated on you and lives in general with some strange man. well, stop it, he could look at this of a completely different quality . anna take advantage of such a generous offer from karenin; here i have such a person, what he goes about is that she is not a smart woman. well, wait, what is the mind? here she really is

didn’t want him to look noble on his knees, because you understand that he didn’t cheat on her and still will she didn’t want to set her husband up like that, because it means she didn’t want to look stupid in this situation. that is, she would like to know how heroin she is, and then she will come, and that's all. you can also say, like a noble person. yes and what is already obtained? i'll cut off. let's try to answer the question. why did roman abadiultere become the pinnacle of world literature? well, conditionally, yes, we will rely here on the authorities. to me there seem to be a few things here. the first is, firstly, not only the novel of the balts, that is, we take this line as the main one, but in fact, if this novel did not have so many very interesting characters of diverse backgrounds that develop somehow touching with you everyone has their own stories, and in it we would not read any manifestations of life, then, well, this novel was not a bestseller. in my opinion. just a line from

dulter. wouldn't have that effect. and as for why this topic is here, yes becomes? it seems to me only outrageous novels. and yet it is the pinnacle of art. why do you say that, because, and dulter is, let's say, forbidden love, right? that is, this is not open, not official love, forbidden as you know, yes, love is one of the brightest feelings and a person begins to manifest himself in different ways and experiences very sharp emotions precisely because it is such a bomb in itself the concept of forbidden love and love secret love. it's impossible there. yes, and it contains a lot of energy in the situation itself. and in those emotions that a person lives and the very feeling of love. this is euphoria, this is suffering. this is a set of all such a set, but for some reason it is anna karenina, e, who is considered a model very accurately and

a lot, but it is shown what happens to a person inside. i think this is psychology. it seems to me that this novel, in principle, is not even about love at all. but it seems to me that this is a novel of pride. interesting a. i think this is a romance of pride. everyone in this novel, he goes a long way and fights with his pride like maybe, in fact, and alexey karenina meets. as a matter of fact, face to face with his pride. and it's raining. uh, and kitty. in general, the fairest. here, truly, you brighten up the character. let's go back, someone does not go through this path and it leads him to the destruction of the whole world, because someone is not about someone who definitely copes, well, as too much potential that was used incorrectly, great potential, but let's just say, as it seems to me, not on the side of good, tell me, do you think, uh, the charm of this novel is its mystery, its miracle, what is it? i

i think it’s lovely if the heroine is a narcissist, how do you think and the destroyer really repeat, this is the path of a narcissist and a manipulator that each of us has come across, or you can recognize yourself as this mirror, including, and a rather tough narcissist is great. women the narcissist and the destruction of the personality the destruction of the personality impunity first the destruction of the personality and it was very rightly said. yes , she wants and she wants it to be brought to her, but this does not happen in life. and this is where it ends? i'm just an old owl and the oldest of you. and so, if we talk about love, and it is in this novel , but this is not anna karenina's love, then i immediately recall the message of paul the apostle paul to the corinthians, god's love endures love is merciful does not depend does not envy does not seek its unthinking evil, but does not rejoice unrighteousness will rejoice in the truth. and now i have a question, if we are talking about love anna high-calorie where in these words? she is arkadyevna, i don’t have an answer, i

also want to tell you about how i see why this novel is still there. uh attracts attention is interesting from my point of view hmm tolstoy as a moralist hmm wanted to make a story about how bad it is for your woman against society, er, and engage in some kind of nonsense, and in the end all bad girls get their punishment. yes, he painted her, so to speak, as a bad mother and so on. that is, we can understand that the girl is a bad bad very girl, but it seems to me that e strength is a romance in that tolstoy e, he still loves it like a man enchanted by this sexual power, which brings destruction. here, as the goddess of potassium, you understand that if this is a simple woman with such a woman , such trips come out that give birth to children. they are a good mother tolstoy admires them,

of course, but his soul yearns for such women as well, i think that this is a wonderful portrait of a femme fatale, based on such a paradox of the author. well, of course, otherwise such a magnificent romance of a girl would not have happened. thank you for coming to me. this was a must-read podcast. i had art critics visiting. lina grinchina and writer ekaterina barbanyaga. i am the director of the writer, the main batnikova, the host of the podcast. triggers and i'm with you sergey for myself he is a practicing psychologist and psychotherapist tatyana krasnovskaya, a family psychologist, and our guest today is lola tell him, uh, about yourself in a nutshell and what is the request? i am 35 years old. i

myself work fitness. as a coach, and my request is like, how do i work with people, but i can do it. long term that is, i noticed such moments that, while i communicate with a person. we seem to be fine. and after a while it all ends, either with some kind of quarrels, or communication comes to naught. and now i just have, and if you analyze like this, and in general there are no girlfriends. that is, i always hear that someone, well, it seems to me, there are normal people. uh, there's a best friend, but i don't have one. i don't even have better acquaintances, such neighbors, er, that i could turn to with some kind of problem of mine. there at 1:00 at night at two there are no such, that is, i

who can not rely on? i think it's a little bit. it shouldn't be. how do you see the reason? ah well, of course, i do not rule out what she did to me, but i cannot understand this problem in myself. wait if you are like that, uh, say, i don’t exclude that it’s in me , that is, in your opinion, it’s also in the universe in which there are seven already eight billion people who don’t want to have a close relationship with you. so what? no, i'm on the universe somehow no it is. i also think that out of eight billion you should, in theory, find a couple of people who would be able to withstand your character, your temperament, uh mood and that's it. rest. so let's agree. yes, otherwise we'll just have to talk about the universe works for me. so

i don't want to be imposed, not with me. something is not right, something is wrong with me. yes, i understand this, but what works for me more is that i do not want to be imposed. well, for example, i have, if you take one friend, she is a friend, then at first we succeeded. so we were united by one common problem. that's since then, we began to communicate with her , correspond a couple of times, even met there , went to a restaurant, and then, again, i began to observe this, well, constantly. that is , i began to observe that it is repeated from time to time, that i begin to write to a person, after a while a person. oh, i have things to do

with me, then i write, i write the second, the third time, and then i understand this. well, why is it imposed, as if, if well, a person, if he wants to write himself and how would everything and it all ends there, as far as i know, are you married, but your husband? close relationship with husband the only one i can say that next to me is always my husband. that is, i can tell him secretly there is something that worries me. only i can tell him how to open up. here is your request that you would like this circle to be wider, so that you have other relationships, that is , friends, as people think that it’s still not possible to tell everything to your husband there. and it's kind of weird, and that's why i've always been like that.

i don’t know, if you take college, if you take school, then at school, for example, i had one friend, and then we were paid by the fact that we lived in the same house. we sort of met together, came to school together , came back together, and sort of college. there were also some problems, but in terms of communication with other fellow students. yes, they were somewhat aggressive. it was some kind of harmless mockery. how can they be harmless? now i'm analyzing what is still harmless, and so 34, then it was 15 and at 15 for you. it was embarrassing. you, of course, yes. it was from many people or one person manifested in relation to you, but there, if you take i myself are visitors. well, it’s like where i’m from and often taken away, and for 2

months she’s cotton picking cotton you are from uzbekistan yes, i myself yes, samarkand, that’s how it turns out. so, when i arrive , i arrive there, everything is as it were there. i’m not some kind of collective, and i’ve always been like one, it’s always been like this and there were two girls who were such laughter, and in principle, i liked them so, well, because they were so light, well, sort of always had fun with them. well, even among themselves they were, but it was fun to see. and so they teased me a little. i was angry, of course i didn't talk to them. i walked alone. yes, by the way, i like to be offended.

tell us a little about your story, about your childhood, about your family of origin. i was raised by my mother alone. so, who was not there? well, that is, i don’t remember him and i used to think how do you feel now? this is important, so do not calm down, but on the contrary, try to speak from this feeling. there will just be nothing to worry about. it’s about childhood, it’s right away,

because i didn’t have it at all joyful. if i take my father, i don’t remember him, as my mother told me that he just left, left us and that’s it. and me always. when did i see? other of

their girlfriends, who addressed their dad there to their dad. i am the word a. try to speak now. this is just tell me that dad didn’t leave you, but with mom, and you specifically me. what do you feel when you say it? well, by the way, it doesn't bother me that much. why do you think? i don't know, because half of your bitter dramatic memories are related to being your mother. spoke. maybe you took on just as much of her pain that her father left her because it was humiliating.

it was a loss for her, as a woman, and not having coped with these feelings herself. she passed on some of those emotions to you. and when you say dad left us, i was surprised a little. i would understand if they told him, my father left me, when i was two, i honestly left me, when i was 15 years old, my father left me, when i was a year old, but when an adult woman, says, dad left us. but you they didn’t even see him, that is, it turns out that you took part of your mother’s experiences onto yourself not your own. voice kids live broadcast tomorrow after the time program download the magnet app. play the game and win prizes with a card from the magnet multitrimmer 599 app, give gifts from the bottom of your heart. we know everything

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