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will try to understand why this spy epic remains one of the most popular war films? well, i think that we should meet with thunderous applause people's artist of the ussr leonid sergeevich, the armored performer of the role of muller in this picture. we've seen the real muller in the picture and you in this picture, but you don't look alike at all. that's why she didn't want to confirm me. the first 3 months were very difficult. she she never suggested not to sit down, she might want some water. maybe tea, if you want with slava, always slavochka. yes, please, tea,
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lemon. we did this picture, an ordinary ordinary picture about a scout. yulian semyonov wrote a novel. did you get the script? well, i was invited, but this picture was made by a woman . a very talented director tatyana mikhailovna lioznogo and excuse me, she managed to look at this story a little from the other side than men, and therefore she also recruited actors with us. in general, it was very somehow so we with respect, so to speak treated her no quarrels. nothing was worked very with great dedication. we worked and did not assume at all. what when? this picture will go, that it suddenly has such a resonance uh
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we are a fascist, therefore, probably with you, so he is a scout, i felt it very strongly. well, let's see. ah. what was your first appearance in the seventeen moments of spring? which of your colleagues is a subordinate assistant? who else can you say ? true, temperate, energetic , sociable, sat a kgb colonel. well, he winced. she tells me something he doesn't like, come over. i don't want to talk to him. i came up and said that you don’t like saying, well, how are you
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doing everything in a kind way. i'm being more specific, please. you have to ask. i say who to torture generals i say which general. soviet, yes, i say, there is no soviet, i will not torture. do you know who the first enemies of this film were mikhail andreevich suslov , the second face of the state? and general epishev, the head of the political department of the soviet army, they categorically did not like what he says, and where is the work of the party organization? the cpsu does not see it. andropov said, so this is the work that is not visible. so you say that the director of the film, tatyana liozny , treated you so coldly, but at some point, probably, the relationship changed. once in three months. i'm coming,
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the favorite of the group has come. andropov said, who is this someone behind the armor, where from? he took it 30 years ago, i was a student at the naval school, if i had not been sheltered by an armored officer. and it was my father's brother alexander armored. i lived with him for a month fed two. works very well, plays well. that's all that happened. and if he said that it is so unpleasant, like some kind. she always said that you have kind lips, make thin lips. i did thin
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tape started. could not survive, by the way she said the last scene. remember, there, i have a huge monologue stirli listens, and i keep talking, talking, talking, she said. i want to shoot the whole 300 meters. this is 10 minutes of time, this is generally a record. she took it, then cut it into 10 parts. why did he do it? i don't know she was a difficult woman, a very difficult woman. well, talent lies a pimple that jumps up it is not clear where
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, i have already come to an end, i'm 87. well, it's good that we still defeated it well, that we played it like that. because to play as if they were idiots. they have been on the road for about five years. dirty and after 2-3 years i realized that they were right. i remember this post-war period terribly andrey , what kind of nightmare is this? how did we survive,
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according to her passport, she is german. they found her passport in her coat at katherine keene's birthday party. maybe someone else's coat, maybe? you call the gestapo or i'll call. i call you only later we still have a lot of work. who do you think will appear in this studio now, that ekaterina gradova, for the first time in 43 years , radio operator kat ekaterina gradova came to the meeting?
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thanks or not, it's true that you were dragged onto the set straight from your honeymoon. yes , i got married. we went. with andrew in honeymoon trip and i was called three days later, just as we were filming the scene of my pregnancy, where he warned that i would yell in russian and finished. i was filming the already pregnant marusya where i was leaving for paris with the children, it was not visible there, but there was already a pregnancy. if i were a mother by that time, i think that i would not have agreed, because what we did there with these children was orphanage. it's so scary, and i still don't really understand, i didn't know how it
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me, i cut out the tonsils, i couldn't speak. first, yermak, the minister of cinema, called, then burin, there was his assistant brezhnev. i thought it was someone who played me, and then he came up and he called me twice. this is the first time he talked about what in the film about what we asked why i talk like that all that my phone is ringing like that. i say that, well, an old phone. he says put the phone is not copper, i'm already stuck something there, if the cottage, if the car, i say no, well, okay, i 'll help out for the november holidays. everything will be known to you, he died on november 9th.
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and that's why i already handed it over to swear, but you tried it, just at that second when 17 moments of spring are filmed, it is filmed in parallel, and the dawns here are quiet and you should have filmed there, yes, but shooting between germany and karelia. there it was so i didn't the fact that i could act there, because e stanislavovich rastotsky. he tried me for a very long time and wanted what he says about what she played. i forgot the actress, da shevchuk , and then he said that you know. here you can’t get a shot, you can’t kill a person with a fake gun in your hands, the wrong hands, it’s not that long for me, so they set me up so that i could shoot at the enemy, and then there are two groups on the floor nearby. i went out and out and suddenly, someone grabs me and literally drags me into the next door there sitting and michal he is. uh, and said , well, what's the point of why it's important for you
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to go all summer to the swamp, karelians and one man, and that's not a man. and here tikhonova speaks for several years, so she began a conversation about this role. there, too , she was very tough and when i told, what plans we are filming. how long everyone simply did not believe one camera of the soviet camera, which sat in a container, so it was covered with fur coats, a coat sounding , nothing could be done. and what, and your husband andrei mironov spoke about your role, and he thought that it's just some black and white movie at first, when the movie didn't come out. well, somewhere she shoots some detectives. well, you understand. so, and then, when some
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such things have already begun, that they catch you on the street and do not let you go for 2 hours. he stayed with his daughter. i went to the store and said that he was afraid to be a small child. sleeps on him shows, and it yells. well, in general, these were the first moments. then, of course, he never in his life could not be offended, nor reproach or quarrel with anything. it was impossible with him, so he only said one thing, well. well, a lot, i didn’t marry a star, i don’t
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need a star here. this is what he said on the defender of the fatherland day, let's go. yushkas aleks the task has been received, i'm starting to implement it from now on, only three people know about this operation. intelligence is looking for friends intelligence of enemies, i have been in intelligence for several years. most alyxessu seems to be a lie stirlitz ask me to stay dragging me behind you. but the house has failed in these 20
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when she was still pregnant, yes, yes, the question, of course, was with all of us children. where are the children from? the problem was with the children, even in these shots at the well. look here. i'm squeezing them in order to stretch out in this well, someone squealed, eye-catching , calm, you see, no, just be silent, but it was necessary to take off the screaming children, they went to the orphanages. remove could not fit, they lie and no one cries. they get used. yes a so, when they filmed that they put him in the cold, there was tropical heat. these lighting digs were, terrible, the heat was his woolen, the blanket was swaddled, so when they unfolded him, he is so happy, he smiled, i have been tormented by the comb all my life.
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i cried. no, it turns out it was warm and tatyan mikhailovna shouted, worried, heard it. well, all the children were worried, all the mothers were worried in general. yes, sit down. you just she says, take it. remove the camera with your child laughing. and i need a crying one, so they installed everything. the phone remained whom you called, and then the same phone was in muller's office so there are common details, you understand? my first meeting with tatyana mikhailovna , they brought me to the studio to undergo a casting. i
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have never experienced this and never knew. by the way, tatyana mikhailovna was all casting and for the role of stirlitz she had a contender very close to her, orchil gomeshvili came to a divorce, because he really wanted to play stirlitz, so tatyana mikhailovna entered with her eyebrows twitched. here. strict she says not to recognize kobzon putin and
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the premiere took place. and i was standing near the tv in the russia hall. suddenly i hear a voice that seems to be similar to me, which means andrey, what was happening with moscow and with the country, it’s hard to imagine people all showing films went to the tv to their homes, moscow froze. no dogs were cancelled. restaurants stopped serving concerts. everyone was fascinated by this first serial tape. for
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from here to your native show me that of course, now it’s impossible to imagine this picture without your voice. the picture that i personally hated as a child and just wanted to go fight it is just the callous and merciless german woman who tortured you with barbara, the extreme actress olga soshnikova. today i came to the meeting with my
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dreams. hello hello it was children's emotions. i think that i'm not alone, i'm probably telling you this here, you were also invited without trial. yes, me actually was invited for the first time to the role of a girl. so, when you go down to the basement during the bombing with the children, a girl came up from the hitlerite there and asked how to help. there is such a small piece, and then tatyana tried to laurel, yes, and we read this scene with her. and i read it once and they let me go home. that's it, i left and literally some time passes and they call me and say, ah. so, come on m-m with you with him. here are the measurements for will sew the costume you are approved for the role of barbara let's see how did your character in the film celebrate her birthday? i never thought
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of celebrating my birthday like this with a russian intelligence officer and a shell-shocked soldier. yesterday was my husband's birthday. i also thought of celebrating it differently. that's the job of a woman. everything else is a chimera invented by corrupt bourgeois democracies. people must be healthy and strong. no, nothing is purer than healthy physiological instincts.
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also preserved. so you see how they made the children cry in the picture when we were filming from méliès, but that means they brought the same boy, a three-month-old boy was. alyosha was given a pillow. uh, bottles of nutrition were prepared, and that's it. and there he lay, waiting for his stage. and when really. so, when they were sawing it, he did not cry, and then tatyana mikhailovna decided to take off this separate piece, and they, uh, prepared this round table, on which he was lying, they set the table in advance. so, put the boys down, the cameraman with the camera above him became straight ahead and, uh, turned around and came up. alla zabolotskaya. you remember, yes, of course. here she is
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approached the boy. so she stood over him and said. oh, lyoshenka, you shameless boy. here everyone is waiting for him, and he lies smiling. you know, in such a rough voice. yes, and he sobbed , squelched, squelched and sobbed, and she so calmly turns to the cameraman and says, the actor is ready, you can shoot. let's see these prices attention.
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look, you wanted it, look. well, one of the tormentors of the child of the storm fuure ss jurgen, rolf, was played by the honored artist of russia alexei safonov, he also came today meet us for a meeting. good evening. how long have you not seen each other? how did you manage to play the officers so plausibly with agreed i don’t know how it happened. i
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only know that when after this these scenes, and the wife somehow we had a quarrel, she said. you probably are. she said all my bosses have gathered here, yes, in general , an amazing thing, because m-m now i remember how i looked when i was surprised at the whole picture. uh, the highest quality hmm of this film and therefore i thought and now i consider it to be credited that i, so to speak, i was, uh, among the people who created this film. here, right? for 43 years after the filming of the picture, they were not going
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to speak like that. well, somehow she raised two children. from the orphanage, too. i remember. yes , these shots are probably not. here but but from the same orphanage, where there is a little bit of inaccuracy in this orphanage , the headmistress of that orphanage of another already worked. she became the director, where we took alyosha, that is, such, but such an acquisition is not direct. well, i want to give the floor to one more actor. he is 85 years old from melis, you said, just about him he lives in berlin and let 's see how he recalls his participation
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in the film. hello my father was killed during the war in combat. so even i lost two brothers and was left completely alone, but a russian colonel saved me. he dressed me and thanks to him i have not died of hunger since then. i feel a sense of gratitude from the russians, so when they called me from moscow and asked if i would like to play the role of a german soldier, i immediately agreed to take the child to bed. according to the instructions it should do. it sure gives me goosebumps when i see things like this, it's terrible. my daughter sula , i already came, they told me to know, by the way , evgeny zharikov voiced me in the film, i was surprised, then the dubbing is very high-quality, as
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if i myself speak, incredibly similar. a couple of times in russian, rather a set of incomprehensible phrases. well, yes, well, well, finally. well, yes, yes , i will return in russian, but i was amazed. she had it amazing. but you need to understand. how old is he and yet he is very clear and everything in it essentially in this way. i thank that russian colonel who saved my life. if you can make a mistake in front of the armored man in the role of muller, it was passed on to katya gradova. i wish you the very
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because he understood that this film needed to be shot and shot quickly this picture called the girl of my dreams watched the sixth since the film was released in august 1973 and the streets were empty, there was not even a crime, because even bandits and thieves, criminals watched 17 moments of spring. and, of course, this one, success, it was something simply incredible, hundreds of thousands of songs came to dad, sometimes even encrypted for stirlitz or wrote letters to yulianna semyonov, please pass on the stirlitz. assignment completed form of communication previous work with tatyana liozna was very difficult. i would say that it was a conflict of two talents and one moment. i
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i think it’s very good that liozny was able to insist on this scene. meeting stirlitz with his wife in this cafe. papa told tatyana that this should not be done, because all the scouts illegal immigrants will laugh at us, this does not happen, no one has ever done an aliose insisted, and in addition, immediately papa chose vyacheslav tikhonov for the role, probably, they think that if i have not failed in these 20 years , so i am the universe. he said that this actor he thinks so in the frame, that i simply don’t see anyone else in the role of stirlitz. and tatyana liozny doubted. she arranged tests. she tasted the straw. she even tried gomiashvili, which is for dad, but dad would have respected
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me, even though it was ordered not in the role of stirlitz, dad and tikhonov worked a lot together on the role. dad told him a lot about the work of a scout and dad wrote off the image of stirlitz from them. that is, this is not a fictional character. this is a collective image and they were friends all their lives later, and when dad got sick, it was hard. uh, friends could not visit him, but tikhonov spoke at my request for a tape. some beautiful words some kind wishes and dad listened to this cassette, his tears rolled down from his eyes, and he said my slavochka my slavochka let's invite the honored artist
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well, what is the scene of all times and peoples attention? look what i have in my hands. what were they thinking? when you just watched these shots again. you know, i now experienced all those moments that were during the shooting. when i came to tatyana mikhailovna, she will not say words. you read this detective. i i say i read this scene there. no, i say, and who should i look at. she says, well, here in the corner of the camera. i say, but on the 9th vasilyevich and he has the only day off. he says he is resting. i say, oh, how i say, with this piece of iron, i will play what you told me, all these tasks , to the point that i may never see him again in my life. no, i won’t do that,
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i was being capricious, and then the providence of god opened the door, the cafe of elephants, vyacheslav vasilyevich came in, at first i didn’t even found out, because we already saw him in the announcement of such a handsome man. this one, and he was in some kind of gray raincoat, a little balding, well, without makeup, such a recently awakened one came up to say hello, and there sit an extra, our non-working actors worked part-time in a cafe or forfeit at gorky's court and speaks. you must first of all remember the fascists around, and everyone began to laugh. that is, he mikhailovna said, quietly and so he sat down by the camera. this episode would not exist. if he had not come, i would not have played with the wall, and here i looked at him plunged into his beautiful eyes, and that's it. i loved him. x we did not have a scene in the novel
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meeting with his wife during the filming. i remembered the story of the young canon that happened to him. and i said, here is such a case in the life of a man who everything, it was poor at times, and everything destroyed that high note in which the husband and wife tatyana mikhailovna found themselves, there was no need for a text and seated us in different directions. now, let's talk with
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our eyes. who has been living in america for 25 years . oh, quietly, put it here, i'm coming up. let's go. i enter the school, everything is quiet in there corner. she starts to look. i say, here, the sun. there, in the corner, she leads her eyes around the number, then she seems to reach him with her eyes, and i put my hand on her hand at that time a woman's voice from behind. quiet here we will also shoot her hugging, these silence. let's go camera and i'm playing it. i'm happy that i did this episode. i am fortunate to
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have the honor of belonging to this brotherhood. my son always says, i am the son of the man who brought his wife on a date with everything. in this studio today and honored artist russian svetlana svetlichnaya who played the role of gabby in the film seventeen moments of spring. hello everyone, how nice
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the way, that's all. same shawl. you are warm, i 'll throw it off. oh, how nice to see tatyana mikhailovna, dear, my beloved, and i was doubly lucky, because tatyana mikhailovna saw me when i was still a student at vgik, and she approved me for you know this gaby, i love her so much. i would even change my name svetlana with my feet. that's how i love. in general, i feel like gaby and svetlana well, the relationship was good, as i understand it, and you suggested to her that you should play the role of a wife, finally, ella will find out how mean i was why why because you know, i didn’t know yet , when i read the script, i think, why don't i play the wife? let me get older. let
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them do it there, i don't know the basement, and i'm forgotten. yes, i think, but i think, no, i won’t tell, otherwise offended and will not greet me, but thank god tatyana mikhailovna said no, svetochka, i can’t, because i have already approved ella for this role. but you know, uh. now, right now, we are even similar, that is, really. uh, here's the idea that a man loves one type of woman. that's why i wanted to, because here he remembered, he remembered through gabby he remembered his wife. that another actress who, after her role in the film 17 moments are clear, vyacheslav tikhonov, calls my favorite waitress today also in this studio actress natalya drozhzhina let's
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invite her. sour cream, please, and a cup of coffee with milk. no, i would drink black coffee. thank you for filming the scene at the rizhsky railway station. she seems like that, maybe a little small, but we filmed her all night, just filmed your scene, too, when you got on the train then went out with the children, but you know
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the director really wanted from us to see what she felt, although i was only two phrases there, then there was not a single phrase at all, and therefore he looked, and she needed to he looked, so at you leaving, as she felt it. and, of course, i had problems with the tray that i just graduated from shchetinsky, and she says, well , didn’t you see how the waitresses walk? i say, i've never been in a restaurant before your life. people's artist of the ussr leonid kuravlyov today , on our program, we also meet the chief
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high decency, iceman. thank you. you also came to try hitler. first, i and this fiend. there were samples. i was very surprised at what they offered me. here is such a role, somewhere i internally felt that i didn’t pull the guys, no, i didn’t pull. that's up to such a brutal scale of humanity. although to be honest, after all, we are all actors, we are mischievous, well , it would be nice if i played, yes, but a brilliant actor was required, and i am a genius outside this title. but he came up with this eye patch. here is this makeup tatyana mikhailovna of course, by that time i
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had already played. uh, a number of the main roles became recognizable, oh, very much, and she wanted to close me up, so to speak. lost one eye. here i like it. this, by the way, this makeup is despite the fact that everything is tatyana mikhailovna and this aryan nose also had to glue this knife for 2 hours, here. and i'm happy, guys, like each of the actors who starred in seventeen moments of spring is literally happy, because this is a picture for all time. here she is our glory to you, sir, will survive, since
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sergey knows everything about this film, therefore, if there are words about makeup, and about the form. we, when we were preparing for the film's syrkaleniye, filmed our documentary tape and found out to our surprise, that here you are all in the film, you are leaving walking in an ss uniform with a black one with one epaulette. we found out that it did not exist at all at that time in nazi germany this form did not exist, and tikhonov was so worried when religiously all the time they tried to shove this black uniform. he is many he said that he hates her when he was congratulated on such a grandiose success, and the shaped one sits on him so brilliantly and they told him about it. he told me to endure her , i hate her. and even after this success, he talked about it. well, this form was not noliose, it was specially made. she, and specifically chose this form, she was cinematic in black and white. cinema,
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of course, is a black form. she evokes a lot of emotions. ours are negative. and you led your investigation to the filming locations. i want to show uh let's uh your journey through germany attention. do not be surprised. this house only slightly resembles the mansion in which otto stirlitz lived; it was radically rebuilt by the new owner thomas herman, son of the famous actress marianne thomas good afternoon. hello yes it is impressive. yes, drove here in a black mercedes. now it 's different here before. this is where the gate was. through them, he held water, and further in the mountains , now here in his place is a bureau, but these trees, they still saw, so stirlitz here remembers only these trees, but here on quiet street near berlin at the very beginning of filming. suddenly there was such an improvisation
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that even severe ones shed a tear. where else is this from? whose goose are you script meeting stirlitz was not a pretty dog either. it was just that one of the locals was walking his dog next to the film set unexpectedly. she ran up to tikhon and poked him in the arm. the operator did not turn off the camera. and tikhonov adored the dog and began to improvise, so one of the most touching episodes of this film turned out. feed our naval sailors rescued by the french, who
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how did you arrive general thank you very much i'm glad to see you. you look great. you i am very glad that i got into this company, because here what is not an actor, then this is real russian cinema. and how do you feel? here, uh, to the version of the film that was colorized and now it's out in the world. here i would stop for this head. this is a documentary script. he's under the document written done, the indicated hours are all the time and suddenly he begins to lay out the actors, like what kind of bad taste is this. and what do you think these
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numbers of holidays were in great need financially in recent years, and they gave, there are 5,000 greens or 10,000. this is big for her. that's what the whole reason is, the whole reason is always in money, there is no question anymore. she was ill. i was sick, she never asked anyone for anything. she spent money on medicine, but she didn’t have much money, so maybe they are talking about their thoughts. committee lapin when the film was released, he said, but we have no precedent for paying for such multi-series, so let's do it, he said, the first sphere is 100% the second 90, the third - 84 70 60 reached ten. she wrote to the prosecutor general, and no one was the prosecutor general, but rudenko, who was at the nuremberg trials.
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they say he made an exception. and she got her 53.000 huge money. she bought a car, bought some kind of dacha for herself in general, but then, of course, the money ran out. she didn’t take pictures anymore, she was told you want to color it. well as you want? so much, come on, that 's all. it was very seriously ill at that moment, yes, this is the first. second, she was not told the truth. they did not say that they would shorten the film, they cut it, that they would train stirlitz with green eyelids, like the heroes of the operetta, the color of the eyes of many heroes changed. it was just kind of a disaster.
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this movie is amazing in that it is absolutely inconsistent. here is the entire film as a historical event, it appeared in the seventy- third after the war, not so much passed of time and those stilted images of fascists and enemies and hitler and hitler and geling, with which we were fed, we are already accustomed to them, they are already sick of us. and then suddenly a film appeared, which in general opened our eyes to who we fought with, and how we fought when these heroes of the armored heroes of kuravlyov appeared heroes well, i’m not talking about the wave. vova is just the spitting image of an ss in our understanding. yes, but the smartest is smarter. the brush said, tatya. in no case should you play perverted volists who need to play big opponents. you played with many people
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smart people and we saw. here my generation saw another war. through you they saw with whom we fought. we must say again that we defeated a cunning, sophisticated, intelligent , educated enemy. tell the story of how yelets semyonov met your prototype in germany a. it was a wonderful story. i'm walking along gorky street. once walking on the other side of the street screaming, i turned on free. yes, go tell me, i'm crossing the street, i say. well, refuse. he says he saw yours at a banquet in germany. i say who wolfs you saw him at the reception. i say, but priests yes, 180 kilograms in weight.
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calmly at the banquet, he drinks thick beer, damn it, from the end i go up to him, the gorwolf, did you watch for 18 moments how you liked the actor who played you, he said absolutely nothing like he always changes nothing. i'll bring cognac now. tell him from me said wolf i say, julia, where is my cognac? where is my cognac, the old man flew the plane for a very long time and i had no other choice. that's how the skolnik already finished on may 9 on the street. all russian cities uh, people come out in the action immortal regiment, in which you take part, this fantastic movement was born
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on the seventh year 7-8, approximately in the center of siberia in tomsk in omsk and gradually increased when the parade ended on the main square hmm on may 9th. suddenly, for the first time, about 150 privates appeared. they painted their portraits of grandfathers, great-grandfathers , sons, daughters, mothers. and the whole square in tomsk froze then froze. this is a great memory of that great generation, but since my parents, mother and father , left for moscow in the first thirty-first year and then remained
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in moscow and when the war began. they began to pour anti-tank liquid in their workshop, manually ground liquid and after 5 days 72 people completely destroyed the nervous system of the arms and legs , it was such an infernal mixture, and we were sent by the mother of three children to ukraine to grandparents on june 20, forty -first two days later we moved to the station both melnikov code. her soon. well, we got off the train and bombing planes flew over us. this is how the war began, and i always said that my mother was a disabled person of the first group, my father was a disabled person. the second group. this is our contribution to the victory of the war this generation of children of war has entered. in the film
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people's artist of the ussr he is like a handsome hunting dog. and you can talk between times, if a good exterior, other hunters are jealous, i remember i knew one adjutant who acted as an impresario. he told everyone about the genius of his master, in the end, he had a car accident. the first beam was already very annoying. and you thought, right? of course, i thought it was funny. and the truth was also invented by the colonel's blood, huh? just kidding, i'll drop the situation, in to which i would have to compliment everything and address. well, when the premiere was already held at the lubyanka, there in the house of culture, vladimirovich andropov, pushing me
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in the hall behind a curtain, such a bay window, right? silent and said. fascist degenerate immorally let's watch a short video about how the actor butkevich lives today, who played the role of the communications center for stirlitz, i had to wait a long time for you, i got through spain first of all, i must tell you, please, thank you for the center does not insist on returning to germany the episode was filmed in moscow on gorky street on
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long coming soon, because it doesn't always help around 170 dollars. this is more than humiliating. everything is light on. i want to say that for more than 20 years, honored artist of russia paul butkevich has not been to russia and despite the fact that he is not very well feels. he came to this program today to see you all and
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play stirlitz naturally, another colleague of yours, who would very much like to be on today's program, but due to health reasons, vyacheslav shalevich cannot do this. and so, as he recalls the work on his role, the word to the people's artist of russia should be known, only to those who are here present to you. me to your co-worker and my friends. i knew she was filming. and i was already familiar with all mikhailovna, she is still not around me. the germans cannot. it doesn't fit anything. then suddenly
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