which text more seems to have its end, its final element, i will tell you in a different way. you understand what's the matter, when the poems come you get sick. yeah, akhmatova spoke badly to you, remembering some simple woman who helped her with the housework told another woman just as simple, anna andreevna let her hair down like a deer. by itself, it is already funny walking and buzzing, walking and buzzing. here is this strange deer with her hair down, who walks humming. it's a sound that came to you and you can't branch and it's not necessary. there, maybe, in fact, it can be either, but he comes to you. i will grieve and look for ways ta-ta-ta-ta. you fly, you write this pathetic quatrain for 2 days, because first it comes to you. mayakovsky spoke about this, you must draw it out. by the way, you notice that i said ta-ta-ta-ta. i think i'll finish this line. this is just the first aging that came after the break. i didn't finish this

line, it's gone, and that made it better. well , you know, yes, it's a gaping act, it's for me ta-ta-ta composed. and listen, i really, i forgot about it. so here's the music. uh, poems come to the ghouls, they come to excitement. they come to you not good essay comes image and ideas. still different things. you understand no, when you write a creation you see some strange clot, light. this is the first floor here, that is, the highest. so it's amazing, but poetry. this is the first floor. well, by and large. this roof verse starts from the roof. well, yes, if graphically, of course, that is, there is such a roof, then some strange blue belly and then golden dew. what is the roof all this growing? from where and this is the rhyme, he came to you, he speaks to you in a strange vocal language and your task to write down his essay comes. i have a lot of respect for people who write essays because i know how difficult it is. you

also rewrite it, but it comes to you in a form and thought, the poem does not come to you with a great idea . nabokov's gift begins to write poetry. oh thank you fatherland uh recognized by you thinks he is proud to let out the first collection, and then suddenly, it turns out that this is a lie, and in the end, that you are not recognized as evil. thanks for the prowess, that is, everything turns upside down, in general, the whole best novel is on its side, yes. and by the way, the question of poetry. you understand that i gave out not to go out of the light dmitry you are afraid, if you have already sat down so sit there, but please note that several times i leaned back and went out of the light. here you come out of the light only when the stitch is written, when the poem is written, that is, it remains already, right? you you can lean back out of the light. i see . well, here, uh, we will complete the first part of our program and talk today in the window of the book. this is a very well-known book, very

understandable, this book by ilya grigorievich ehrenburg, the thaw, but it is very important for me that the viewers remember that there are also paper books. they are on the same shelves. yes, i caught myself that, uh, i became, uh, from some point on, buying books, not only of the 19th century. i'm not a collector i buy books only for work to read, but also the sixties. and even the seventies are also history, and uh, we know perfectly well that the word thaw gave the name to a whole period in the development of the soviet union, we won’t repeat the platitudes now, but this is a production novel and it was criticized very strong i just never forget. uh, how he starts the sea, he was personally worried . chekhov oddly

enough, and in fact, no matter how uh succumbed, orenburg to criticism. it's generally the last prose book he wrote, but still, despite the criticism. it was very important, that is, the human face to forget the fifty-fourth year. but, after some time, a poem with the same name, also with the same name, became a landmark poem by zabolotsky, it was written earlier . the thaw after the snowstorm, only the blizzard subsided at once, the snow drifted and the snow darkened. here are two works called the thaw by zabolotsky and ehrenburg. they gave the name to the whole period to tell the truth, but he has all isn't there a thaw, you never know, who doesn't have pasternak, 48, after the camp, such a poem describes, how the snows come and move warmly? i think about this speech and when

i didn’t know about it, i never thought, it’s very important what you said, this is a book. e, stands on a shelf and talks to you even once you don’t take her hand. this is my favorite idea, as i love it. these are your ideas that books talk to us even when we do not open them, that you told me on the internet, yes, that the file does not talk to you. you know, yes, yes, from the moment you downloaded, but the book is standing and do you remember how you bought it, what did you find as a gift? who gave it, do you also remember, why didn't you read it ? or at least it happens in one word, a paper book is also. eh, now we are not fighting culture against modern electronic technologies, but still it is important to understand, and the fact that books are exhibits is also yes, because this book is just from my bookcase, but, nevertheless, a witness to the time to throw books away. but

it's very hard for me. they are alive, like animals, because it's not for them. god would have asked this question some 20 years ago, you were simply torn to pieces, you know, but now , when in fact this hypocrite subsided, uh, they threw away the books. you know, practically not, but the worst thing that i did was put it in the entrance. this happens all the same not in the trash, after all, in the entrance. yes, i had such a began to endure books. and by the way, here is a very important point. you will never take something out of the apartment and take it away. eh, to conditional with the parser never. this does not mean that you will scream, but you will never endure them. they are more eternal than you, that is, i shouted. i have a lot of books there, thousands, but i understand perfectly well that they are durable, than i am here temporarily with them, as a rule, flattering. i'm flattering everything for a while. that's right, books are second nature, and you can't uproot them with an ax in any way. the fact that this book. in the fifty-fourth year, someone was shocked.

well, now let's get back to dmitry vodynikov and how if yes, let's just talk about the selection that appeared after a long pause e on the network, and there were poems that came after 10 years of silence. yes, it happens. we know that it’s so cold, for example, well, in a variety of poets, as it happens, tsvetkov was silent for 17 years, as knowledgeable people say , recently deceased but uh, it seems to me that there are still poems here that are directly related to our interlude i'm cleaning the room again. i'm scared. it liked books. so i guessed again. that is, we again guessed each other. it is very nice. again i clean the room. i sort out books. it's in the trash

, it's in the trash of georgy willow. she will deliver, and what is this empty, a pretty notebook, i'll leave it for beauty. we will definitely leave this. nadezhda mandelstam is ours for some reason. i say here we are, although i am now flying alone, tchaikovsky lena schwartz eduard limonov is my nickname of a loser. by the way, why didn't i throw away the lemon, because in fact, his diary, loser - it's not this testicle, yes, which is a cult book, yes or else some? why couldn't i i didn't read even this nobody's a loser. i flipped through it at the time, why couldn't i throw it away? this is a very serious question that no one here can answer right now. no, well, for some reason, there are books that you really ca n't get out. even if you haven't read them, you never read them and don't intend to, but it's just like the kitten you met in the yard. you could have another kitten. why one kitten? maybe i'm practically now saying, uh, they can fly, well, don't fly, rather be rendered, they certainly do not throw away.

he exhibited them, yes, so that they were taken away, and you will never put one kitten out of the door. why? well, yes, this is a mystery, but i think that the books will say it again, they will speak to us. uh, hmm, not at the moment when we slide through the lines. yes, we looked at the binding. we talked to you about the sides , we talked to you about the lemon. it was said to you by bakhmatova and hmm, when there is a material fact, our conversation, a material object is filled with some other content than if we were sitting somewhere at a lecture and talking in general about the book. here we see a typeface, we see interviewers with such a foreign word of this quality papers are still alive books. there they are alive, but we read them very differently, because there are books that we have never read from the first page to the last, we probably should have started in the middle of it. there are books that include collections with it is not

necessary, a collection. an essay, for example, it could be, well, a collection of short stories. it could be, even roman seems solzhenitsyn it was in cancer corps. remember, he is reading some book with the cover torn off. well, it just so happened. it's disrupted, and he can't understand, because it's not our new system there. yes, where it is printed on each page , the authors name, yes, and before that they only called the title, yes, and he reads and is very angry and agrees and disagrees with the author and don’t remember who the author is. no, i do not remember. this is leo tolstoy well, there is a book here that interrupted the book, it turns out that you can read not only the middle of it, you can even read it anonymously. and however, it will pierce you if there is one there to pierce, so read the book from anywhere. the main thing is that she refrain from this moment until the moment. how do you close it and it’s not a fact that you won’t close it before the finale, well, it’s understandable, but uh, modern man it’s just that he’s so arranged that he expects

some information from the text, if the text is long, then we remove the tackle, it’s such uh -e internet, well, i understand, i understand. yes, but nevertheless the long texts are annoying. yes, longrit is annoying, that is. eh, very often literary text. eh, it's not me that annoys of course, people who believe that there are too few seconds in the courts. yes, that's why he lies on the couch most of these days. yes, here are the tv shows, for example, they watch tv shows without skipping ads, i don’t skip ads, and the book, as it were, is too complicated. hmm. that is, such an algorithm that you spend a lot of effort? yes, but it's not obvious, but if you think about it in some way, e line, everything is a sacrifice to your memory pushkin, a simple, understandable pushkin, it occurred to me. i ask students. what does everything in the sacrifice of memory mean yours. that means, uh, i'll donate everything. if only you remembered me. is it your

memory of me or is it my memory? e about you. and what does it mean to sacrifice your memory? that is, here you can pick up 5-6 values, that is, reading, in fact, is such a massage of consciousness that we have lost, we used to have calluses, here it is now impossible to write a pen, by the way, to the question of a dragonfly. i have for my book. yes, i'm not talking about the book. ah. for me it was a revelation because, you know, it's not about the dragonfly. yes everything else is there, but i uh, not many mentions other than uh. krylova, yes. e, dragonfly and ant, and in literature, especially in e. great gold yes, our russian literature is not so much interesting and i wonder which one you mention. i have a willingness to hear the chirp. ah, dragonflies. uh-huh or something. maybe not an arrow then, rustling finally an arrow there exactly an arrow is heard or a dragonfly's song is surprising, because the shower there

is silence in the air, like a premonition of a thunderstorm. ta-ta-ta heard the stump, uh, dragonflies dragonflies, right? yes the dragonfly does not sing at all, he meant grasshoppers. i just read i specifically became a discovery. this is indeed a literary study that the dragonfly does not sing. she, she generally flies scientifically flies. she can't be heard. these are grasshoppers. that is, we also have a dragonfly planted in russian literature, but not quite like that, because taking into account something, there is no picture at all, he has such a global picture. uh, a picture of a dragonfly, but no one can hear the night of the world silence. is it, is it night somewhere? all this is symbolism, i'm sorry, but if you you say meow, kitty, you say meow, kitty, like that. but tyutchev is not quite so interesting, but we drink tea over the abyss, listening to the chatter, uh, cooked from a dragonfly and meowing. kitten say over the abyss is good. i have my own dragonfly e

, not harvested now. well, this, of course, is arseny tarkovsky a. hmm remember where he has the dragonfly. i learned to open the notebook with grass and the grass began to sound like a flute, i loved the correspondence of sound and light, and when the dragonfly sang its hymn between green frets, passing like comets. i something knew that any dewdrop is a tear. it’s amazing and it turns out that she doesn’t actually sing, and he writes not because he heard her, but because this dragonfly came from krylov that you hissed this thing the dragonfly does not sing, if we have it, if god sends us a viewer , i beg you, look, gentlemen, and ladies, look, really. eh, really. is there a dragonfly sound? because if the sound and dragonflies are not really emitted, but simply there is some kind. well, you understand, yes, the butterfly also gives some kind of sound here, that it is flying? we do hear there is something, if there is no specific sound,

then krylov and tarkovsky write to me, and not to an existing dragonfly. this is the most amazing thing. well, in general, the image is beautiful, it's wonderful. i think that you write about it, because why is it wonderful, because it turns out that the word is stronger than life. uh-huh no, dragonflies that sounds, but all russian literature. just because of tyutchev's misuse of the word dragonfly , her voice rings. it's brilliant, but there in every rustle of light wings farther at tarkovsky. e knew that in every facet of the huge eye in every rustle, this is somehow a shooting, then he took it from the wing. clearly check, lord, i really ask you, lord, i'm there, check. i think, i think this is going to be homework for tonight. but we will still talk and, uh, well, there is such

a strain. this is the new sincerity. we promised to return to this word, and we are returning to it. and i very, uh, loved and love your books. well, now, perhaps, we can say earlier, i don’t know, of course, yes, here i have two uh, this book is walking in front of me and a book of poems and how to live in order to be loved, but thin beautiful little books. and hmm, then there were big disputes, then it was, well, the turn of the eighties and nineties. first half of the nineties. e, so then there was a discussion about whether with e can be preserved in poetry? well, forgive me for the term lyrical hero, if they said that you can, uh, in a separate person, i proved i'm ahead. uh, who are we, well, there's a whole bunch of people who are talking about it. tell us about it, because these books they captivated by returning to the direct statements through all sorts of modernisms are absolutely right. when you said it

was in the 90s and 90s there was so much talk in literature about everything being post-modern. with this, postmodernism was completely wrong to remember, because postmodernism is not a freebie. it's not boring. it's not with constant quoting on modernism that's a challenge. when you say that there is no up, down. yes, you can really perceive it as a tragedy, as a drama, as a comedy. there they perceive only exclusively as a game. well, okay. yes, i didn’t just rearrange these these cubes and balloons, inflated and launched balloons. this game reveled complex, and the readers did not understand anything. well, okay. i'm already there readers did not hurt him this dragonfly. by the way, the most predatory creature one of the most terrible. yes, she did not fly in and did not try to eat him, you know, a giant dragonfly, therefore a dragonfly, like the first plane. yes , they tried to eat other forces, but they are a melodious dragonfly, which, as you know, does not sing. i could not exist in this air. and i realized

that i really need to do something impossible, some kind of non-human er, feat, although weak and quite no person. i need to start doing and say that there is no direct statement, perhaps why it was invented. this is a damn new sincerity, because dmitry alexandrovich actually led the army for the first time yes , just in a playful sense, well, to this yes , and it was it was my service, that is, it was a service. it's curious to serve, of course i understand, i'm with you, we have become you with you say that an essay cannot be a ministry essay. this is not a service. your job. it may even be your gift of thought. this is a thought, it can be a service, only something magical of the elements is magic. yeah, and this is the fire that you save there or coal , remember, right? well, that was it. yes mine is very loud. but yes. this was my ministry. i quarreled with the right people . i talked a lot of nonsense. i am very

sorry for all the stupid things that i said about all my arrogance in all my outrageous things. please forgive me, darkness but it disappeared in the separatists to repent of their mythical i would have done it again, well, understandable, but look, not everyone perceived this. how to open from something new rather, it was a rediscovery of the old usual, right? you need to be loved, well , you really need to, but you couldn’t say that, but at that time you couldn’t say, because remember what it was. eh, how they how they explained postmodernism. this is when you used to be able to say i love you. and now i must say, as i said at the time, such a hero. i love you. this is supposedly aerobatics. he has already worked. he was not interesting, even if you do not say something, as he said it is. it's all the same because of you says that you need to make sure that the poetry returned. i know you. my child, who is now big, once was small, he had such a postmodern

project. who is telling me? dad come on. e. hmm , let's write a book, sign it with my name, that is, i called my name. eh, so the book will be like this. once i sit, and on the bench i think it's a novel. anna karenina goes on all the way to karenin to the last locked on the end and the last phrase. what a wonderful novel you close very, yes, well, you told me somewhere. i'm on the air. no, it's amazing, but it's a good good story. eh, then you don’t need to write anything, everything is ready, but this is not leo tolstoy, because it is, as it were, a single-rooted hybrid. you didn't pay anything. you came up with a very good trick. here you can . the key thing is that you paid nothing from here. uh, every possible attempt to teach write the words correctly. but if behind this experience only you can't, it's not right. what is words? although then you already work on it too. you yes, your task is to make a person break through the walls.

i got attached to yours. uh vault crush your own wall your inertia your inertia your feelings, what can you write? and then you start writing. i have a very good example. hey, i have a young student. well, as a young adult, he's 30 something years old. he wrote me a poem which was banal. i do not remember anything. i said, dear to me, about what. wrote. he says, you see, my grandmother loved very much. i counted mayakovsky in my second angel and i say, stop. you are now retelling your poem no written a real poem. i have already said this several times on different broadcasts, but i have not said it on any broadcast, and it will be exclusive that he wrote a poem yesterday, which begins with these lines and continues really to great-grandmother and mayakovsky that is, you can even do what which was no longer possible. we understand, yes, of course, of course, uh, this is a beautiful, uh, service story about hmm

, sincerity of feeling that cannot be imitated by any means. we uh, serve a person who loves. yes, we serve in our family. we serve our children. even if we don't really want to. yes, they have grown, but we continue our lives with them. by the way, they didn’t really listen to me to healthy parents, whom we love, the more you also have a little book that has already died, but nonetheless. we serve nothing useful, this dog does not bring us dreams. what do they choose from? well, through his ill health, of course, but to serve is one of the ontological he is. yes, he is logical, naturally oncological uh qualities of a person signs of a person. here listen. you know that in fact, my most. i really love all sorts of non -scientific ones. and what is popular scientifically is that science did not pull, the mind is not enough. and this is

a well-known story, when primitive people, and by and large, being in e, quite a wild state, when they became people, they became people when a was confirmed by excavations when it was found. by and large, an elderly man, he was already a 40 skeleton with a forty-year-old man. this is basically an old man who had a broken leg, who had missing teeth, who had an overgrown wound from a spear or from something, but he was always external. he lived means him he was a useless member of the team, but to feed him. yes, then a person becomes a person when he does something that do not need to be done. it is not useful in this ministry among other things dostoevsky chernyshevsky chernyshevsky how we remember the novel, what to do? there? eh, pragmatics reigns, yes, that is, you need to do what is useful to you. the heroes of dostoevsky in the same year above the story came out in notes from under the field a year later chernyshevsky was already arrested at that

time. he says that a person only begins when he does something inexpedient, inexplicable reasonable selfishness. yes, just reasonable selfishness, maybe it's good that a person is waiting for his benefit. he understands that if he takes care of this forty-year old man, useless by their standards, then someday he will not leave him to die. yes, and they will give him some kind of bone that he can possess. so maybe chernyshevsky is also right, any dedication pays off. yes, any dedication becomes. uh, the main thing i think is, don't really misunderstand, as soon as you say any dedication pays off. that means movement. so you started counting you started no bargaining, e donation itself. it's in the fact she's disinterestedly another thing that she can pay off. or maybe i should buy it. you see, when the sailors rushed to obrazuru. why, he didn't really know if it brought anything, did he? uh, when the range is wounded, uh, introducing

his roman or lieutenant, he said that he is dedicated to those who never found out how the war ended in this. it's all about when it speaks to you, high absolute. you don't know you shouldn't know they mowed them all down just right. only then everything works out. black square. malevich has arrived. well, yes, but he did it. it seems to me that we are in our conversation today. uh, they wrote another one, which, by the way, could have been, and we were not comically with you, we had such a rather dramatic one, but listen. we are the truth. we actually wrote several such moments with you, which can become the keys to dmitry voennikov's new essays. huge to you. thank you for coming uh, our broadcast and as always. i say the same thing and most importantly for yourself, read with pleasure. thank you to you.

this is a podcast triggers, and i'm sergey with you, he is a practicing psychologist and psychotherapist tatyana krasnovskaya, a family psychologist, and our guest today is lola tell us about yourself in a nutshell and what is your request? i am 35 years old. i myself work as a fitness trainer. and the request i have is, it seems, how i work with people, but i succeed. that is, i noticed such moments that, and i communicate with a person. we seem to be fine. a after a while, it all ends, or with some kind of quarrels, or communication

comes to naught. and now i just, if i analyze like this, and in general there are no girlfriends. that is, i always hear that someone here has well, it seems to me that there are normal people. uh, there's a best friend. ah, i don't have that. i don't even have the best acquaintances, and such neighbors, er, whom i could turn to with some kind of problem. there at 1:00 in the morning at two there are none, that is, i cannot rely on anyone. it seems to me that somehow a little. it shouldn't be. how to get out? what is the reason? oh well, of course, i do not exclude, what did you do in me? but i can’t understand, but wait for this problem in yourself if you say so, uh, i don’t exclude that it’s in me, that is, in your opinion, it’s also in the universe in which there are seven already eight billion people who don’t want to

to talk to you is to have a close relationship with you. so what? no, i'm the universe somehow no it is. i also think that out of eight billion, it was supposed to find a couple of people who would be in able to withstand your character your temperament, uh mood and everything else. so let's agree. what made you. yes, otherwise we'll just have to talk about the universe. yes it works for me. so i do not want to be imposed, that is, not with me, something is not right, somewhere is wrong with me. yes, i understand this, but what works for me more is that i do not want to be imposed. i then question want. well, no one wants, apparently. well, yes, at least with someone you have a close relationship. i have examples. if you take one friend, she is a friend, then the first

we got the time. so we were united by one common problem. so, from that time on, we began to communicate with her, correspond with her a couple of times, even met there, went to a restaurant, and then again i began to observe this, well, constantly. that is, i began to observe that it is repeated from time to time, that i begin to write to a person, after a while a person. oh, i have things to do with me, then i write to her, i write the second , the third time, and then i understand why it’s being imposed, as it were, if a person, if you want, writes himself, and how would everything be on it all ends, as far as i know, you are married, but husband and husband? well, here's a physical close relationship. here is the only one i can say that while next to me is always my husband. that is, i can tell him secretly

there is something that worries me. only i can tell him how to open up. here is your request that you would like this circle to be wider, so that you would have other relationships, that is, friends, that anyway, not everything can be told to your husband there. and somehow it's still strange, and that's why i somehow has always been. i don’t know if we take college, if we take school, then at school i, for example, had one girlfriend, and then we were paid by the fact that we lived in the same house. we sort of met together, came to school together, came back together, and sort of college. there were also some problems, but in terms of communication with other fellow students.

yes, they were somehow aggressive. it was some kind of harmless mockery. well , how can they be harmless lol, now i 'm analyzing what is still harmless, and so it was 15 and at 15 for you. it was embarrassing of course, it was from many people or one person manifested in relation to you. here, if you take i myself visitors. well, as if where i'm from and often taken away, and for 2 months for cotton picking cotton you are from uzbekistan yes, i myself yes samarkan yes, that 's it. so, when i arrive, well , he arrives there, everything is there, as it were. i don’t have any bands, and i’ve always been like one, it’s always been like this and there were two girls who were such laughter, and in principle, i

liked them so, well, because they were so light, well, sort of always with them funny. well, even among themselves they were, but it was fun to see. and so they teased me a little. i was angry, of course i didn't talk to them. i walked alone. yes, by the way, i like to be offended, it's noticeable. tell us a little about your story, about your childhood, about your family of origin. i was raised by my mother alone. dad was not like that. well, that is, i don’t remember him and i used to think how

do you feel now? this is important, so do not calm down, but on the contrary, try to speak from this feeling. then there will be just nothing to worry about tears, it's not scary. oh what will you be? it’s about childhood, it’s right away, because i didn’t have it very joyful.

i don’t remember my left father, how my mother told me that he just left, left us and that’s it. and me always. when did i see? other friends of theirs, who addressed their father there to their father. i could never say this word to anyone. i never pronounced papa. try to talk now. this is just tell me that dad didn’t leave you, but with mom, and you specifically me. dad

abandoned me. what do you feel when you say it? it doesn't bother me that much. why do you think? i don't know, because half of your bitter and dramatic memories are related to what your mother told you. maybe you took on just as much of her pain that her father left her because it was humiliating. it was a loss for her, as a woman, and not having coped with these feelings herself. she passed on some of those emotions to you. and when you say dad left us, i was surprised a little at once. i would understand if they would have told him, my father left me, when i was two, i honestly left me, when i was 15, my father left me, when i was a year old.