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grit and return here, too, national bolshevism, which was then born. it is also a reaction to this loss of soil. yes, you were someone. and all i cried and you try. yes, there the ustrels are trying to offend, the vekhovites are trying to unite the change. here are some historical uh narrative logics of the development of imperial russia and the soviet one and see this as one big project. and many tried to return and returned to the same vertinsky , for example, as far as i know, bunin was offered to return, but he turned out to be, and this, by the way, is the most curious. and it's curious and the spirit and his work of these dark alleys, because bunin is a man of such timelessness who is lost in him. e, in. well, yes, that is, that, in principle, they present him mainly that you have not created any image that you could cling to. you don't have your own schismatic. you do not have. e tolstoy characters , yes, who, dying, looks at the sky, that he managed to create the image of russia, the image of the motherland that is, maybe from
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some one character, but this world, uh, this noble life. there is very many descriptions of the nature of everyday moments. he outlined his condition. that is, precisely because he poetizes prose, he is a person not a state, not a narrative, and uh, this is the worst thing, because when you don’t have this roughly speaking ideological core or even hatred there is strong here is some kind of central no uh rather, such cynicism in relation to women is cynicism. i don't even know the relationship of reality rather. well, you kind of see that he's just describing it in strokes, and that 's why he probably refused emigrate. i mean, you mean france. yes, yes, in vichy france , this is what it is, where he wrote the dark underoccupied state, it is not clear who controlled it, it is not clear that you live such a piece without time. that is why he is in order to gain at least some understanding of time. refers to the past. he also began to write this
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life arseny you, too, in exile, the life of arsenyev's novel, those days. eh, but nevertheless, probably, by the emotion of a stirrer, because he just wrote on the layer, but in dark alleys. i think he's researching precisely the theme of relationships and completely different layers of it. that is, relatively speaking, he runs away. it seems to me from e some problems. just when you find yourself in timelessness. you know, that's how dostevsky's man is. so you, besides describing yourself , have nothing of these states, and then you can’t even return, because he said, in my opinion, well, well, as it were, and who am i? well, i'm used to living in france something i don't feel like everyone is already dead. yes, leave me alone , at the same time, as it were, such a journey again, even the image of the road is an image of the fact that it is precisely the sphere of love that supports him. that is , it turns out he counts the time and he cannot find it.
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here is evidence of his, roughly speaking, such a defeat, including, because all these relations here end either with regret about something that has passed away, or with the fact that he was cruelly abandoned by some emancipated girls, or there, i kind of she got better. i will think of a beautiful peasant woman. as if. well, what a pity that we are not together. here. hey, i think this is a question. perception of the environment, that is, people moved from well from their usual environment to a completely different one, and for obvious reasons, they really took some shreds of the past and they served them as a support for the next development. some of them just got used to it. yes, and go further there, pasternak, and someone just got stuck. as you rightly said, exactly in that part of the environment that they brought. they could not simply integrate it into the environment that was at that moment in time, because the era is changing. it is not only, not turns out and bad change. then more
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military action. yes, one way or another, this is, well, a rather stressful situation and a person, of course, clings to what he understands is familiar and he does not want to leave this, maybe often an invented world, often tied to some kind of sensual sphere because, well, she is one of the most she the most real yes, in a situation where the world is changing, when the world is changing, oh, a person looks inside himself, and trying to find support. and so, if we are talking about poets on this one, as people who described their space. here feeling state. state. this mix of sensual environment, this is their fulcrum by and large, so the problem is that it goes away as soon as you create one work, as if, if the experience is not turned into text, it does not even become the past, as read the repertoire. here is the cpsu and you have some dense concentration, but bunina it always ends in some kind of rude defeat. speaking of erotic
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including, by the way, connected with his first, in my opinion, any, that's the story here. this is the story of what he had. and love, who came to him, but she could not stand the craving of everyday life, as far as i remember, yes and no, this is also connected with his first work in the oryol province. yes, she will not stand it said e dear. i'm leaving to live normally in life. here it is, like the first experience. he always leaves an imprint. yes, such an imprinting , by and large, it is assimilated and projected onto all subsequent relationships, but at another time such a work could have taken shape in a different historical context with such a longing for the motherland for beautiful russian women. it seems that her longing for the motherland is not tied to time. it has a connection to the person to the situation. yes, to the situation. is it possible to say like this? for example, uh,
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there's a lot of criticism right now. i hear in the direction of the artists that why you do not reflect the current situation? why are you on what is happening, here it seems to me, bunin and dark. this is just a wonderful example of how a person, when there really are some historical cataclysms around, he takes and writes erotic prose completely without time, and time and people in which they no longer exist and never this world will not return and it becomes hmm a work of reference erotic and we are still. uh, let's focus on this. hmm, on this prose, and it turned out that this is a very successful example of an artist who does not pay attention to what is happening around you , you can say, yes, uh, do something of your own completely in counterpoint to, uh, to situations, and he succeeds and he wins
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over those who can be, uh, somehow more focused on the current situation, he would if you didn't, if time forced him to turn to it, i think, that is , you know, history played a role. she pushed him out and thereby forced him to pay attention to it. ah here, of course, as would analogy with demons. i’m asking for dostoevsky, that is, as if conditionally verkhovensky , who is obsessed with political ideas, stavroragin, who says, let’s leave for kontonuri, as it were, and i answer him there with you we will look at a big spider that descends from the roof. damn, found it her big spider and her office time, it seems marina a. i wanted to talk, that's what we mentioned. here. e dostoyevsky is a wonderful example. still. this is dostoevsky. we have two. here it agrees with that, that uh-huh there that book is ready psychopathology. this podcast is a must
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read. today we are talking about bunin and dark alleys, as in the pinnacle of erotic prose. my guest is marina stern, a doctor, neurologist, head of the department of neurorehabilitation, candidate of medical sciences, a and poet sergey izotov, glaiana, batnikova director, writer, podcast host. hey marina, do you agree? it seems to me that bunin is a very healthy person, and he has a very healthy sexuality. and this is reflected in the dark alleys. that is, if we compare, for example, with dostoevsky, i heard many times men told me that after reading the image of dostoevsky's woman, this forever broke their psyche of relationships with women. well , it seems to me that this is connected precisely with the image of a woman. and bunin's let's say it. so erotic plast he is plast healthy person. can i say so. yes i think that yes, because, despite the fact that the look is sad yes, this is some kind of woman. the reflection of a sad experience, as a rule, is
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a reality, yes, that is, it does not give those colors that usually characterize a certain touch of psychopathology, the ninth negative colors does not. ah. here are the negative positives. that is, it doesn't matter. this is extreme. these are extremes. these are sharp corners. these are the words that describe the image of a woman, because one way or another, i will be dostoevsky bunin, we look at women with male eyes. well, yes, and accordingly, he describes how he perceived them, describing their thoughts, describes first of all his thoughts, and not women's thoughts. well, are the thoughts of these women really worthy of what they write down, right? let's stick with the male look, but uh okay. this is a relationship with love. with respect to the woman. it seems to me that in the dark alleys, despite this. uh, well , let's just say the global misalliance that is
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constantly present in these love stories, but a red thread. uh, there is still, uh, a respectful admiring attitude towards woman, and i didn’t see e anywhere. here, let's say some e cunning, yes or some kind of narcissism on the part of these same women's heroine, there was one short story about how a woman comes to him, who, in my opinion, would see in the theater, she says, now you are my love, and not for some time they meet, and then he just finds her in a friend's bed. she, as if nothing had happened, lights up and says, so what? and something came at all, but that's because you don't have to deal with women to take the initiative. already found one moral assessment. i think that this is a look, first of all, of a healthy man on a healthy woman, because
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no matter how it was, it's tragic. yes, love, there, uh, at the expense of me for you, it’s impossible there, like the heroes of one of the short stories, when, ah, they say goodbye to a woman says goodbye to her husband on the platform and sits down, knowing that he is waiting for real stories. and you didn’t write that he himself, he was sitting on this train and leaving with the alien, and uh, who did he make shoot himself, then no, no one shot himself. he made it up, but uh nevertheless, the situation was such that this person could shoot himself, as it were written to write, but by the way, when i read it, i had the feeling that bunin was behind the hero who shoots, that is, at some point he suddenly jumps to this husband's point of view that he was looking for her. yes, in sochi, somewhere else in gagra, and then she makes a tunic, shaved and shot himself with two revolvers, that is, at this moment you suddenly understand that he understands very well. from the point of view of the unfortunate abandoned one, what he was talking about sergey that is, it seems to me
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that it is his position that most of all evokes a response. here are men, but left with a woman, probably, he has a woman, rather, elusive. you know that the dream and here , as it were, a huge interpretation will work from the fact that this is a homeland there or that, each collective portrait of this here are some social russians , so a peasant, yes an aristocrat, but yes, an elusive femininity. well, that's the very name of the dark alley. it seemed to me when i read that e bunin describes everything perfectly. that is, the food is delicious. beautiful, and there the houses are beautiful and the women there are beautiful. i mean, i'm reading now as an adult. i got caught thinking, what ? i know all this. i understand that he took only the best of the most beautiful, that is, in all. dark alleys have this kind of poetic optics. this, well, admiration for the beauty of life, its pleasure. and although
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the situation that describes the real complex conflicts there, but nonetheless. and in all this there is love for life. well, rather, yes, well , this is logical, because at that moment in time, and the world is collapsing and instead of be transmitted to despondency and some kind of black such nostalgia. yes, a person remembers the brightest thing that helps him survive, and these, respectively, are those, well, there are pieces of a sketch of life, such miracles by and large, which ah-ah cause him mostly warm associations inside. here and despite the image of escaping women, and some unhappy love. still. probably it's not dark, not with paints, painted or not at all dark, although dark. yes, but it turns out that there is such a light note in them, which is not this negative, that is, the emotions that you experience
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, despite the sad, by and large stories, and in this book he took the title from some poem, yes , and the poem is heartbreaking, the only story, in my opinion, that was the name of an ordinary story . around the wild rose blossomed there was an alley of dark faces, it seems to me that dark alleys - it seems to me, an erotic symbol, that is, a dark alley. it ’s kind of romantic, while the shadow can hide there and the heroine of this story, dark alley, she just tells the master that poems were read to me by poems about some dark alleys. she remembered it exactly as , let's say, an instrument. e seduction can you say? i think that it is possible. moreover, since the beginning of the 20th century. this is still the era of freud yes and his course of his beginning of psychoanalysis. because if you analyze russian literature , classical and this one from the point of view of freudianism. in general, these are very interesting
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social ones, since you can find a fairly large number of patterns there, and it is connected specifically with sexuality, for example, tell me an example that you are here, which now so far has shown me either an experienced curious is just see, here are the natural nuances, that is, when he describes rather the natural environment. if you really find fault with, uh, uh, sigmund freud, then there are a lot of patterns that describe, and the curves of the female body, yes, and some kind of sensory zones. that is, it is very hmm well, there are still in holes, i would not just within the framework of this, you just need to know how to extract it from the text. yes , even because it's not just within the framework. it 's not striking hmm in order to that is, such a directly vivid sexuality, but not , of course, and what does this mean, this one speaks of intelligence, that is
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, the very aristocracy, and those very basic ones in which, in fact, he was brought up with great respect for himself and others. it seems to me that a respectful attitude towards women also finds a place in the fact that he has these plots that he comes up with. it still leads to some justice. well, that is, for example, a is uh, here is the final e yes story of the collection. u, negro, in my opinion, is called about the dog, then there is also a fifteen-year-old girl who lives in a hotel. she is the daughter of the owner of the hotel and comes. give him combs. well, such an image of some evil stranger, which means a muslim, and she has a dog. e, which when he tries to rape her, the dog protects her and rips out his throat, but the fact is that e is a parallel with the ballad story. there is such a story a certain wanderer comes, uh, to
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the manor's house in a village estate. at night she sleeps there and e. a young guy hears how she prays to some lord. wolf asks, who is this at all, what kind of phenomenon is this? lord, not a wolf and a wanderer, this kalika is passable. yes, such a strange, holy fool woman. she tells him that a certain story is also about how some evil prince chased his son’s bride too , in order to take possession of her, but some wolf ran out of the forest and tore out his throat, but before his death this prince managed. it means to say that it is descriptive over my grave of this wolf, so that he repents and decides that the wolf was a just punishment. we asked or some kind of appeal to folklore to some legends , and yet, then he brings it out in the final. well , as if the real story is not a story of a knapsack, but really such a parallel, and it seems to me that this is the defense of this young girl, but an innocent one. adorable and that's her
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animal friendship. it seems to me, so touching and so striving for the light of justice, that is, after all, he always chooses. ah, out into the light. i would say so. this is such, probably, after all, but a projection of christian values. it is very interesting dark alleys. bunin - this is considered a classic of russian literature. at the same time, the authors. this is an immigrant, he seemed to be returning to russia, but we still understand through these works that he loved russia and his contribution very much. uh, in literature. this is e. well, let's put it this way, strengthening, yes, some of our values and values in general of our culture, yes, christian values. and by the way, i can’t say if he had any values, that is, well, at least they are clearly not read like that. they are read most bright knee days that is why. perhaps he is, as it were, recorded as
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a white guard, because these are the values of the reaction. it's the value of responding to some changes and not accepting them, but still. we understand that after all, this is love for russia, that we read it in prose, we can definitely interpret it as love for this world, for these people, and for this environment . of course, new, as it were, love for the lost world, yes, well , love for the motherland that you will never see again. that's about the same. well, the cycle was written, as far as i remember before forty-fourth, is it a year? that is, moreover, he had already received the nobel prize by the time i read it, i understood that it had already been written by a person already in regalia already, which could be higher than the nobel prize in literature, but nonetheless. i understand that he was working rewriting that he didn't like you. it is correspondence with friends. it turned out that everyone likes it, but i know that it didn’t work out. and this is a very interesting psychology of the author, because he seems to already
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have to feel his every word, as if on cast tablets. yes, because he is already a recognized mastitis author at the same time, uh, there is still this uncertainty. let's say this one is some kind of search for something. that is, this is an absolutely poetic state. this is due to the fact that your text density is very high, you kind of constantly need to compress it compress and e yes, and in the way he approached the topic, including how to some do roughly, well, there's a little stretch a little here's a hack. you must press it as much as possible so that you can as karmix told them to knock out the window. here is marina. tell me, please, could there be, uh , relationships such as are described between a man and a woman in dark alleys. uh, can we say we understand them? and what today? eh, maybe something like that, i don't know. it seems to me that love is forever
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love, eternal love, forever its long-term scenario. yes, despite several whirlwinds that have brought in the change of value systems in our country. and, because a describes up to the age of 44, and actually tsarist russia, that is, we must it is great to understand that at that moment in time in samara, russia, something completely different was happening, not something completely different already. this is the age for you - the woman of emotions has changed, because at the first stage a during the period of the red movement and the beginning of communism. it was one look at a woman. she is up to the point that she was a public ah, and then gradually such a return to a greater setting on a pedestal, let's say women, that is, she still remains untouchable anyway or else the values creep through about the absence there, but a large number of relations are good,
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but and already i think that to just in time for the middle of the 20th century. everything returned to approximately the same context as there was a lot of spiraling. yes, that is, uh, it was violent, slightly different names. it may have worn a different ideological pickup, but for sure, but the meaning by and large remained the same, and the girls of the forties. still, they were enough for the whole. spicy, respectively, and subsequent yes events in our country. they are one way or another, everything equally, we went through at least two more permutations of systemicity, if we are talking about the present time, that it is precisely the existence in these lines of wealth that these stories are eternal, because at the present moment in time the social society is not so stratified. and although, perhaps this
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applies only to the central part of russia yes, we have a big country. many peoples live in it. many different social biases of different cultures and different cultures and different religions live in it, even including but for some it is now a game that is written. let's say the final word, what does dark laziness mean for each of you in general, why are they wonderful for you, what do they mean to you, symbolize, dark alley, as a symbol, what is it and what is dark alley for you, as a symbol. probably this is for me the road is a road that does not have a specific point. it's just like a process. well, is this the road? indeed, it is a learning process. this is a process, uh, analysis of the past, and this is a process, but lighting anyway, but here it's not about lighting. it's called medical
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in a word, reconsolidation, that is, a person looks at his past and turns it into some kind of completely hmm illusory picture in which he, in principle, can hide, for example, take a break from the terrible present. or maybe just create it as a literary work. what else do you think, dark alleys, what is this for you? this is an attempt to carry your past through decaying time , an attempt that is tragic in its very idea. let's put it this way, and the tragedy itself is beautiful, so it's very beautiful. this is an idea. this is a purely berdyaev idea of sexuality that is obviously tragic, because trying to merge you still get separated, then you still remain on your own walking along these dark alleys, absolutely alone, this is interesting, it really looks like, well, what i i feel through and for me dark alley - this is an example. eh, how can erotica have an expression
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after all? well, let's put it this way. uh, an example of high art in erotica. i mean, it seems to me that this topic is very interesting, but it seems to me incredibly difficult to maintain. here is a frame balance to one side and give the reader. this is a sensual sensation on the other hand, and do not lie anywhere and e about how it all happens and at the same time remain within the framework. here are the admirations of a woman and some frames that do not allow you to go out . here, in the direction of some kind of physicality, or earthiness. and this is what absolutely fascinates me. this was a podcast, a must read. today we talked about the dark alleys of bunin as the pinnacle of erotic prose podcast, and our guest today was marina stern, a neurologist, head of the department of nerve rehabilitation
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, ph.d. thank you. big. thank you. good night friends. this is a podcast of jokes for everyone who does not sleep. again. good night, yes, well, for those who, wait, but i'm right. what's my camera , that's all. i’m just these for this light , i’m sure i seem to know that a plane is landing on me, as if you know kamaz goes for sure. i mean, you're like that, that's not my question. you work for someone. yes , you say, millions are such a highlight on the rink, when you drive yes, yes, yes, look, okay , let's do it again. let's get started with this podcast of jokes. i'm glad that some people suffer
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in a good way from insomnia. and this time will be spent with us. i have wonderful guests in my studio, connoisseurs of lovers, keepers of jokes, people who know how to tell them, and i will be happy to introduce them to you, these are mikhail policemaka and valery syutkin, that is. actor singer composer singer just know, now lately there are a lot of different hypostases in different people. that is, as if you forget to name there some very important definition that he is still a blogger at that moment, for example, and that’s all. people then get offended. well i hope you don't see no, i also like it when they say there's an uh actor. e, tv presenter winner of the crystal drop award. well, you see, now we will start listing
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galaxy with us. i want to start a conversation. you know what, uh, in the current realities, they still say, yes, well joke, what is it? yes. this is somehow not fashionable. moreover, it is old-fashioned. that is. well, they say some are not just young people and girls. and what you directly skeptics of the present time. here the youth says, do you want a joke. you want a joke, because it has become just a joke. just a joke. yes, such a short, uh, joke meme such you know, well, yesterday there or or do you want a joke opens and protection and you with the help of a gadget in our childhood. remember gadgets. it was an appeal. e to the person who carries you yourself is not the same, you completely different meaning, and my daughters do it differently. they don't tell jokes, they talk. dad, look, cool, yes, well, yes, read something to
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tell to play. maybe this reflects, as it were, the reality in the sense that, uh, in particular, the youth. yes, she stops communicating with each other earlier. to be honest, let's say, well, my childhood is there . youth is there further e in the yard. yes, when everyone was gathering it was, as it were, not that cool, as it is now, he says, the youth was generally, well, it's cool to tell a joke vying with each other. yes, i'm not. listen, i'm tired. yes, i knew everyone there, everyone knew how to tell, and this was a means of understanding memory, you know, how they loved for free and counted in their minds. here is the generation, that is, the girl had to be impressed. you were not supposed to read from the phone, but to tell from memory from the heart, that is, to prove yourself to kill. and now, just the same, it was about a girl to impress. the two options, as i remember, are when you can play at least a few songs on the guitar. he always
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in company. yes bravo band i played the guitar in the yard. eh, i told you about it, yes, bravo , everything from the beatles and our polish heroes then were really like that , that is, well, the guitar, that is, you don’t know how to play. goodbye, but i know a joke. and then, in principle, there would still be such an option, in sports there were those guys who, uh, pulled themselves up or something from brusalim, could portray it is already underway. yes, but basically at all times this will say more all the best. if you feel like answering everything the best performers, whether it be classical music or frank the senator, for example, or carusa. it's not exactly the greatest vocalist at times. this is the greatest storyteller, because the song this is something, how you wanted to tell something, you know how to tell. listen, you don’t know how to tell , ideal solfeggio, high, low notes do not
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take everything, so it seems to me that anecdote is still such a safety of communication precisely from eye to eye from the mouth. mouth and what you want to convey, of course, and show, as it were, degrees and you can already tell your own erudition of emancipation, by the way, about this. eh, now you understand. why as they say dear, the spoon remembered a joke for dinner, and the joke that is there, there are two of them out of this joke, this is the great yuri nikulin yes, who was also the keeper of jokes. uh, and uh, his club there is a white parrot, so the story is next uh, there is such an anecdote. i'll tell it to you now, so, uh, the company is sitting. well, that is, in some kind of vector there, for example, there means yes, we are gentlemen. well, that means, uh, they sit and, uh, the new man in this company is just some kind of hussar, he was introduced there
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, please, there is passion and everything there, yes, which means that he got into the company in this, they sit in a circle and just 244 and all ha-ha-ha there 78, and like everyone else, they just laugh, and it means that he asks his friend, too, some young officer there, please tell me, what is happening, he says, you know, all these people are everything, this is society. we love jokes. we love so love and so we often get together and tell each other. if the jokes are already, well, how would everyone know them by heart, and that it will not be repeated for a long time. we simply remember and sell them. here, let's say. right now, look, here is 302 there ha-ha-ha, he says, this is a very funny anecdote. i'm like, i'll tell you later. he says, you're there, well, that 's how you got used to it, and at some point there was such a deathly silence and the lady next to him stood up, the one sitting next to him brushed his cheeks, got up and left. he sits simply and says what happened to a friend says. listen well, bro, we are we
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vulgar jokes were not told in betrayals. well, here's an old joke. you for sure. you know what he came up with. uh, nikolin, he came up with two sequels. that is , this anecdote means, and everything is the same beginning. eh, this one, well, the new comer this man says, there, 147. complete silence is just dead, and he looks at everyone like that and is a friend. listen, don't be upset. there are just people who know how to talk. and this and well, another third option. this is already a joke, when you die, there are 210, yes, and again silence rough. he says, well, listen, well, they don’t tell funny ones, right? we touched on something very
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important. uh, all the jokes in the company are here i told the same one comes, settlers. you told on this short on this topic is at the door. you know, let's give such a jewish correct and color anecdote, because this is how it is told, odessa is his homeland at the door, there is a man at his funeral. he says zyama, and i did not believe that you left us. i refuse to believe in it from behind, comrade, skip those who believe, please, but, by the way, about uh, national flavor. yes, a joke. see, it's very important. yes, er, to itself here is this short story. yes, but it didn’t affect any of them at all. uh, well, let's say some ethnic issues. that is, from an offensive point of view. i mean, that is, jokes. you have to know how to tell. well, listen to them too, because there were a lot in soviet times. remember the jokes were
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about the miracle, yes, that is, in general how? it turned out that, apparently, the development of these lands and so on, meteorologists went, there are some there, uh, drillers and so on paved there bam and so on and so forth. that is, some cold these uh, well, in some kind of siberian faces, that is, these uh appeared here, they are jokes about the chukchi there. well, who lived, there to the south, and so on and so forth. everything here in our time is now anecdotes. i feel, you will not meet at all. yes, i can’t even remember a single one, but a doctor. and i why oh why because? eh, now in the wintertime i always remember this anecdote, so it comes, it means a large settlement comes, it means a tentacle to to your step. she ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah there with this, so with a tambourine there, so something is conjuring the whole line with a paw hits this boomer will store a lot of brushwood or all the same. somehow we will perebёmsya there, but not so cold and like.
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