amazing advice, including advice from a certain expert on nuclear disarmament. e. give ukraine the opportunity to acquire nuclear weapons since without an atomic bomb. she won't win, but she must win, she must defeat, but she can't need a bomb. i don’t know how they will get out of this, most likely, this is another trial balloon. uh, but uh, the fact that it's being talked about means people, yes. u get acquainted with the situation, actually weigh the odds and see that, uh, like this, despite all the promises of deliveries for a long time it’s time to continue from these statements at the munich conference at various meetings in ramstein about what we will give you, we will definitely provide you, and so on biden, like the godfather. you yourself drew attention to this. uh, signs for all 700 tanks. as for the average american 30, yes, but we will provide it, because we are at the head of a large family of 50 partner countries, as he said. of course, i

believe that we should do our best to ensure that these tanks with these missiles, these artillery systems did not arrive at the battlefield lubricated and in commercial packaging, like a biden in kiev here. i wanted to ask you about tanks. and where do they arrive, you know such a person . aleksey danilov, secretary of the security council , is personally unknown, but thanks to the possibilities of television, we have repeatedly seen that he has just come. our tanks will be on red square. and it will be justice. how do you feel about this ? the audience is also doing its part. why do i call him a freak? i do not resort to these expressions, when it comes to, maybe many others, then we are confronted by our

opponents of enemies, whatever you like, but this is definitely a freak. firstly, it is a freak of russian origin. this is the former mayor of luhansk, this is a man who today gives with enthusiasm. uh, comments or orders. maybe, although the orders are behind others, to kill the people with whom he lived on the same street, and he is, as it were, the hero of today's news in ukraine everyday. i don’t really want to understand, after all, how, uh, this should be treated, it really is. they are not going to, such a plan to spend life, or these words of the word will simply eat up from the denial of the air, he is also mudast at congresses, as we say in such cases, but he can fantasize, he has already fantasized many times already said that they and russia dismembered many pieces and he said little during this time. you just have to treat him like a fool. that's all. well , uh about uh, said said a lot of it

this was not talked about at the conference of the international security conference in munich it was always such a very specific place that was portrayed as a forum for dialogue. e between russia and the west. but in general, it was first a forum for recruitment attempts, if you want, to recruit the russian elite. uh, in the soft embrace of nato, if you like, but as it became less and less likely to organize a public flogging for russia, and this time russia was not invited, and russia was not going to participate there, but there was such, an outstanding russian statesman like khodorkovsky, another russian statesman kasparov, then they were so very touching among themselves. in

fact, the rolling picture he was consistently, a statesman of different countries. in our cis space, he is generally an armenian for azerbaijan, who at one time was soviet troops with the last in the city of baku well, god would say that. so. it would be funny if it were not serious in terms of that moral and political the unity that they showed in terms of their complete rejection of russia, let's listen to what the secretary general said. we must give ukraine what they need to win the country must triumph as a sovereign, independent nation in europe over the fact that our support for ukraine could provoke an escalation. let me be clear that there are no risk-free options, and the biggest risk is that if putin wins in ukraine, this will send a message to other authoritarian leaders that they can use force to achieve desired, this will make the world more dangerous, and

we are more vulnerable to the danger of putin's victory in ukraine, it is more serious than a threat. uh, world war iii is an interesting logic. and alexander dugin and you wrote and thought a lot on these topics, and for a long period of time you paid attention to the fact that western faces do not just have some specific disagreements with russia, what is it? not just the question is not the coincidence of the position of the presentation of the beautiful, you talked for a long time about what the matchmaker's point of view here has, uh, well, fundamental, if you like, a value gap and a vision of how the modern world should work. i don’t know if you have seen something new impression, but from this gathering and what

conclusions should be drawn from this in russia in my opinion, in modern western civilization differs from us from russians from eurasians. ah, on fundamental grounds , you are right both in terms of values ​​and definitions. this is the deepest metaphysical difference, because they consider the highest value of the individual. we are rather something common, a collective collective, they are deeply materialistic atomized. we strive to create some uh, some kind of vertical universal system and uh, we are orthodox they are anti-christians, in fact already after christians and despite the fact that we also departed from our identity at one time. anyway, in one way or another, at all stages of our history, we retained the most fundamental opposition of the west, remember

starting with the moscow kingdom against lithuania then in the russian empire, which fought with the west, then the soviet union, which opposed the capitalist, and the capitalist west, the camp of ideology changed, both with us and with them in many ways. but this confrontation is something more fundamental, so from my point of view there is simply a dualism they and we, and we heard at this munich conference. how do they understand this dualism soros delivered his keynote speech. he said there is an open society - this is the west and a closed society. this is primarily russia and in this battle of closed societies or a closed society with an open society. the west has reached the last finish line, or now the west will fall in and destroy us. and then all the words such boasting of ukrainian e. puppets are just a tool of this open society. they are realized from their point of view.

and for this they are alas, they are ready to invest in this, they are ready to throw huge resources, or their hegemony, their dominance, their claims that only their value system is universal, only their civilization is universal, or it will be at least very significantly damaged and the map where it is decided. this is ukraine, that is. this is the battlefield between two fundamental approaches, and their civilization is described , it is known everywhere. and what do we oppose them? we even probably disagree with the concept of a closed society. it's kind of a perk. these are some insults rather and with an open society. we will not agree, but in any case, we are clearly aware. and now every day more and more that we are different, and they say it openly, and they say, yes, russians are different, and for this they should be punished, dismembered

, destroyed, and now that chance. to finish them off, to break them and not to let them more opportunities to somehow adapt partially to western values, but to maintain their sovereign sovereignty. uh, sovereignty your freedom and your independence. that is , for them it is in a sense, well , really. i probably read this müncker conference in such a way that readiness for a third world war is another matter, that readiness for a third world war is an exception. in my opinion, the only one with one caveat with one caveat. i believe that nuclear weapons. they are not going to apply. they have their interests already on practical. we're not particularly threatening. it is rather a civilizational ideological conflict clash of civilization and nuclear weapons. they will not apply, because, in principle, even if we win or when we win in ukraine in principle. they can swallow this vital interest, the vital red line of existence. west, we do not

cross the nose of the ideological point. the current conflict is loaded with such global meanings , the stakes are so great. here's the metaphysics philosophy of this conflict so serious is thorough, which underestimates this to reduce. this is for jokes and memes, and biden is either there and zelensky, or in my opinion. it's just, well , not exactly responsible. we must understand in all seriousness what threat hangs over us. and if they understand their civilization very well and can calmly talk about it, then our civilizational identity. this is what we have in my opinion. now our weak point, not even so much the technical possibility of a break. but now i want to ask, but one thing that here, as it were, it contradicts my understanding of their tasks, at least how they themselves

formulate their tasks. they seem to want to influence russia, they say that their problems with putin are with russian society. they complain that they have very little contact with russia and find it very difficult to get an idea of ​​the real russian positions. why don't they invite the russian delegation, and most importantly, the minister, most likely, would not have gone anyway. putin would definitely not go to the prime minister, and the deputy secretary 13 of security would a significant part of the moscow party, who went there as an expert, did not go, they are actually globalists, and the people with whom they had quite good personal relations. why not try to influence them? why not try to find out something from them. i will share with you my personal experience about six months ago. i was told in the white house in washington

, but their interest in dialogue with moscow was told not only to me, but also to a number of other experts who had some kind of contacts. e with russia a. then it all went away. it turned out that either there was nothing behind it, or the political winds had changed, if you like. and that's why you think what they were afraid of? the concept has changed, i have a version. i don’t know, i can’t speak for them a version such that when the war began, uh, while the whole thing with the west was a war of civilization exactly a year ago, those liberal globalist forces in russia that, in general, supported these relations were not instructed to implement state love spell to reset putin to change the regime. otherwise. why are we with you for so long fiddled around, but they couldn’t do it , someone didn’t want to, someone was afraid , someone someone just ran away from there and in fact. now they are no longer needed, because now

they have demonstrated their ineffectiveness. the part that can do something else. i think they were just mothballed. they, like sleepers, continue to be somewhere there in their positions, but they will not say about it. and if they are invited to this conference, then they will shine, and therefore they have already invited those who are not sorry, and who have already been integrated there for a long time, to which does not affect. in principle, i think that such a conversation is soft, including through recruitment , almost open recruitment, but in our political elite towards the west, it has now ended with a war. now it's not up to it and now they are hmm now involved. yes, so already, and if one of you is more located to the west, er, than the rest , then anyway you are in the wrong country and there is no point in letting you into our noble company that's right, and in this here, that's why they want to lead now here, pay attention to the new package of sanctions that biden promised

in kyiv, not against staunch supporters. putin is not those old-fashioned people who stand in the forefront with both hands for their own. these are already priced for a long time sanctions. and this is precisely for those who observed some neutrality, who did not even express their sympathy for the position. and this is not enough for you with putin , or you, too, will turn out to be accomplices, as the west reads, in his expansive lethal position. and in this respect. in my opinion, now the most fundamental moment is that at this conference in munich where, by the way, putin recognized his own in 2007 famous speech. and biden's visit to kiev is a demonstration of the mobilization of western civilization of the liberal globalist civilization for an open war with us. it’s just that this is a frontal challenge and there is already a conversation about inviting not agreeing to influence not to influence bribe

not to bribe to convince not to convince. it doesn't work anymore. now they say that the hummers guns are now who wins, and therefore we are moving into the toughest, probably the longest phase, which will simply be on which the fate of mankind will depend. so everything seriously, and here is one voice. which turned out to be the dissonances of munich it was the voice of the leaders of chinese diplomacy. they let's see what it said. in the forthcoming document, we will reiterate the proposals made by president xi jinping, including the need to respect territorial integrity and sovereignty , uphold the purposes and principles of the un charter on the need to take legitimate security concerns seriously, and support all efforts to promote a peaceful resolution of the crisis. well, this is very a balanced statement that, on the one hand, says

the sovereignty of territorial integrity should be liked in kiev, and on the other hand, it is clearly stated that the common security interests must be taken into account, which, of course, reflects the position of russia, uh, and. uh, some kind of outstanding vet- how to understand the statement of war , which, as i understand it, has just arrived in russia where he will meet, including vladimir putin is supposed to be, but, firstly, we are talking about the statement of sitidenpin, which is expected on 24 february, uh, it'll be like this premier uh, china in the ukrainian direction so far they are serious statements. moreover, they didn’t do it at the level of the first person, but baths and visited munich a. i would say for the purpose of conducting a sociological survey. he needed to talk. seek as

many heads of state european political scientists as possible and find out their, uh, attitudes. that's just the upcoming , uh, initiative with this pina from the same uh, his goal will be to stay in moscow and when he meets, uh, with lavrov and putin on the one hand, a new voice was heard from the country in order to remain within the framework of the strategic partnership and, uh, the combination of the national interests of russia, uh, and china . the fact is that after the twentieth congress, china entered a new era of its development, which will last until and, if the first 10 years

was called a new era , it means leadership, now it is a new campaign. now a lot of things will change. and in march there will be a session of parliament, at which there will be new state appointments. in march will be the third plenum of the central committee, as usual, this is the most important plenum, because it turns out that there will obviously be some serious changes in the economic course. look, they canceled the tour, yes, right after that, there was a surge in economic development. yes, covid has not been completely canceled. and no, they didn’t betray their own , but look, and now they’re predicting 6%, just gdp, and so on and so on, and the mood in the country, uh, radically updated, and uh, here. this new approach will also be in the field of foreign policy. they have now done some very serious statements, as if they knew what alexander gelievich would say.

oh, civilizational ideological clash, they announced their civilizational geological clash with the west. uh, so the concept was finally approved at the congress. e that a new model of human society has been created in china, that is , capitalism socialism and now a new model is operating. uh, someone calls her socialism with chinese characteristics is ours. uh, academic glazis calls it the integral model, but in any case, this is not a western model. all capitalist model. it has gone down in history, and the chinese model of human development is breaking forward. and plus , just a couple of weeks ago, ossetians. made a speech in class. e in the central party school and said modernization is not equal to

dystonization. that is, they are not going to go further with the western path, along which the country was led to start by pin, and now there will be a chinese path, a purely chinese path, and, uh, the selfin said that uh we are ready to share, but our experience of this chinese modernization with other countries. we will not impose anything. but here, uh, we will go our own way. and now this is going to be a collision. i think the e between america and china is more serious than between america and russia because there is no ideological component in the clash between russia and america, which is very important for america, especially for the democratic party, which is still under influence. ah, but among the chinese they are bringing to the fore the ideas of socialism, in fact socialism is the foundation here this new human society, and they

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there is a big game on the air and we continue our conversation about the events in ukraine and the crisis of the great powers, the powers around ukraine . i think we now recognize that there were many illusions regarding the development of events in ukraine, many hopes that did not come true and some underestimations seriousness of growing ukrainian nationalism. but if there were people who seriously warned about this danger, then one of the most influential

voices, and in this direction you were konstantin anatolin. tell us what to predict correctly then, does it give you reason to make any predictions today about what will happen in ukraine, including, of course, on the battlefields in the coming weeks of the month. thank you for the compliment, i'm afraid i won't be convincing enough in talking about what will happen on the battlefields. to do this, you need to go deeper. military specialist and idea of ​​the real ratio of the power of opportunity, but i beg your pardon. i would like to begin by responding to everything that was said in the previous part of the program when it was about the new chinese initiative. as we heard, it will be revealed to the world on february 24 here,

of course, a delicate moment arises, because, as it was rightly said for the time being , china was limited to rather general ones. reasoning about what is happening i believe that china is interested in the world on the path of development, because it wins the peace competition and a priori he would not like big cataclysms, if without these cataclysms he goes forward and overtakes his main competitor. the united states of america is taking advantage, among other things, of its opportunities , the possibilities of such a large turnover , to earn money on this, and so on. when it comes to china's initiative on ukraine, it is clear that this initiative cannot fully coincide with our point of view on how things should be done in ukraine, what should be achieved there, on the other hand, it is also

clear that everything that does not coincide in positions russia and china, if it does not coincide in ukraine, will be the subject of massive speculation from the west in order to prove that china and russia are not allies in this matter. that is the delicacy of this moment, and i very much hope that this delicacy will be taken into account by the chinese side when it announces its proposals. and we will definitely return to it yuri the final one. let's give you the opportunity to ask your question. you know, it really happened that i am one of those current nine deputies state duma who were deputies of the first state duma ninety-third year since then. in general, ukraine entered my life. i became chairman in the first house of the committee that dealt with the cis and, accordingly, with ukraine, i remember the hopes of that period and i know that in fact

there was an opportunity for a conflict-free development of relations between russia and ukraine, and which in 2014, and then in 2022 tended to zero. and, of course, there are certainly our mistakes in this. there is a bias ukrainian political elite, which initially did not see any other way for its independence how to create anti-russia ukraine is not russia at the beginning, which turned into anti-russian very soon as an inevitability. and, of course, there is, uh, the evil intent of the west, which, looking at the map , saw that the most significant piece of the soviet union except russia in this space. this is ukraine and thus tried to generate two and centers. it will give the post-soviet space a tool with which it will destroy all sorts of

russia’s attempts to get back on its feet to regain lost positions in international relations and to improve life within russia , that’s what concerns my forecasts, if i may say so of the nineties, then i tried just to draw this path of conflict-free coexistence of two states that became independent in the conditions their independence from each other. it did not provide for the abolition of the anthem of the flag of the coat of arms and the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but, for example, it provided for a solidarity foreign policy, and the main policy was the rejection participation e in military blocs that are competitive to one of these parties. that is , he generally speaking, envisaged and, uh , deep internal reforms in ukraine that would make us believe that ukraine would fulfill these agreements.

that they wanted these agreements. yes, they wanted to sign in the ninety-seventh year of the friendship cooperation partnership with ukraine, i must say a standard agreement, which, in terms of its content , did not provide any guarantees, recognizing what was most important for ukraine at that moment, the border between ukrainian ussr rsfsr administrative as the state border between russia and ukraine, already independent after the ninety-first year from each other states. it was a huge mistake. and i opposed the ratification of this treaty. i'm not the only one, of course, but i also said that before doing this. we had to get real guarantees from ukraine. in my opinion, the real guarantees were the federation of ukraine fulfillment of the promise to make the russian language along with the ukrainian state, the refusal to interfere in

church life and attempts to split e, the ukrainian orthodox church, in which the new authorities of ukraine are personally the president , kravchuk, the first president of ukraine, began to deal with from the first days of his presidency in ukraine during his presidency, just filaret declared himself e patriarch of the claim, which was not recognized by no one in the orthodox world. then, in general, unfortunately, i can say that we still went into a collision, despite the fact that we had serious opportunities to influence ukraine throughout the entire nineties. we were out of phase development in russia at this moment. eh, this stormy one was developing. ah, privatization capitalism. these are the auctions of the actions of the people before everything else was not up to ukraine for those who ruled power at that moment in the nineties in russia when putin the 2000th came, he

, of course, was aware of this problem and under him attempts began to really influence ukraine , let me remind you that it was putin extended his hand to president kuchma when he was already being written about in the west, when they organized a company against him down with kuchma when condoleezza rice declared that we are a bunch of slavic abutu and you can’t greet him at all. he was even sent away, separated from the united states at some regular conference of the nato bloc, where he was invited? that's when i interrupt. uh, he didn’t do a lot of things against america, no, he didn’t need a lot of questions, because the moor did his job. it was with him that an agreement was signed, which registered ukraine on a map with borders. and after that, they considered that a new moment was coming, the americans, then they hurried hurried yushchenko, whom they forced to make the prime minister, and then turned into the head of the opposition to this bunch. but then we

were developing the ideas of four single economic space of four countries that were supposed to participate in this in russia, ukraine, belarus, kazakhstan, already at this stage. it is clear that it is impossible to believe what the political elites of ukraine say , what they really are, this was when it was in 2003-24, it finally spilled out during the orange revolution of 2005. here. the case when a candidate from the west in ukraine ukraine has always been divided into two parts, when the presidential elections were held and the candidate of the east always defeated the candidate of the west this was the first and only case, although as a result of violation of all constitutional norms, the third round, yushchenko was dragged into the presidency, by the way, i want to note that although he was dragged and was about it. this is a morbid euphoria in a few years. he went to the polls again and received a record 5%, the current president. this is probably for the guinness book of records, that is, its authority

completely updated much, unfortunately, the main thing, as i consider our mistakes in this period. i would like to note sometimes people who have little knowledge of reality and in the past begin to invent e, assign me some huge powers, supposedly that i have been responsible for the ukrainian direction all this time, unfortunately, i cannot boast of this, and most importantly, i consider the lack of that the period of our relations already under putin was that we tried to honestly agree between presidents and presidents. we are with the political economic elites. searched for them some of them were taken out, but their russian authorities honestly tried to negotiate to do it. she tried to do it and every time she came across the fact that all these in general agreements.

after some time, they were reset to zero, because in this case they convinced themselves in ukraine that there is no other way for the existence of ukraine other than unitarity, that in fact, choosing between russia and the west, it is always necessary if possible, how to balance between them, but in the end the west is more powerful the west is more expensive than the west is richer, and therefore it is necessary to look into his mouth, and in case the need to play along with the west, as kuchma did when he created the guam union, for example, in the post-soviet space , a counterbalance to our eurasian economic union, that is, ukraine is a state conceived in a lie in the ninety-first year , then deceiving most of its citizens who promised under the successive presidents. and the russian language as the state language and respect for the rights of the region, which has betrayed all its promises, and in this case, this is the state of the victorious oligarchy. now i want to notice this presidential

the oligarchy is forced to cede the palm in the management of ukraine, simply abroad today, ukraine is controlled by the united states and their allies. well, of course, the united states in the first place. ukraine has ceased to be a subject. it has become an object from this point of view, it does not matter what they think in ukraine, how they want what they want in the future. they try like everyone else to pretend that they are very important, that they can, well , someone to repay the finger, but it's uh, all the possibilities are very small. yes, they are rude times to their western partners in order to prove how independent they are, but again , not to everyone, far from everyone. they know who they can't touch, they're in control in that sense. it is absolutely comprador. even today, i sympathize with the regime even with those oligarchs of ukraine who have been fighting with us all this time, because they have become simply, but ordinary, eh. servants of this regime, under

which they are forced to fulfill any will that is dictated by western partners. you know they got into bondage. you know, alexander says, if you agree with the analysis, konstantin zatulin, and i agree with your analysis. i hope that there will be no trouble for this, if you agree with this analysis, then in general something very gloomy arises. eh, the picture, if you ask the question, how can you negotiate with these people, or how should they be completely removed from power, which, in general, is not easy militarily and new american and other nato supplies. this, frankly, does not make it easier. or you need to look for some form of agreement, for example, russia will be able to force zelensky and success on the field. it will probably be difficult to show some flexibility, which he

does not yet go to, but it will probably be difficult to force him to completely go from power without inflicting a complete defeat. especially considering that, as konstantin says , america controls him, and america, in general, is ready to fight to the last ukrainian. what is the way out of this situation? as you can see, and the tasks of russia are given conditions, and i don’t mean what you would like, but what do you think you need to really achieve in the world that exists, and not in that world, which we would like to see, firstly, agrees in general with this analysis, and konstantin zatulin, especially with regard to the fact that today, uh, ukraine is not a judge and zelensky is not a yacht, and in this respect with his father and previous leader were not subjects. which one was well and completely explained, therefore and if there is no subject, then it’s simply not necessary to negotiate,

this is the first in my opinion, whether we want it or not . it is necessary to solve the tasks set by your own, how can an absent subject, who fully performs the functions of the task set from the outside, how can it be agreed with him, for example, on denazification or demilitarization, and these goals are set in their own with such a government without subjects, where even the oligarchs no longer influence anything , they agree, of course, impossible. that is , there is no agreement with america on ukraine, because america began this process by provoking all this bloody , terrible, murderous, in fact, war, and in this respect. naturally, especially when they feel or even believe that we are giving slack. from this. they only intensify their pressure, therefore, in such a situation , it’s not very good to talk not with america. and with kiev

it’s impossible at all, therefore, from my point of view, we have. only one thing to bring the set goals. uh, a special war of operation before the implementation of supplementation and to carry out the denocification and demilitarization of ukraine, while i think that here, i'm here is another factor that we actually see, and in this we are included in one factor. we don't , in my opinion. we need to formulate our idea very clearly right now. our plans are our future, our ideology, our worldview, because while we from ukraine spoke a language that, in my opinion, was not convincing enough, or some economic agreements between the oligarchs between governments, but in fact, by and large, ukrainians saw us in russia especially there in the nineties the same brothers, whom they want to get to europe through their heads and do not

offer anything else. we have integrated into the west, we have entered the global one. and in this respect ukrainians raised the question. and why do we need russia when we ourselves can do it without russia and we acted as some kind of satellite in the west, only who wants to bring them to the same. taking the west by the hand, like a younger brother, and they themselves can go there in this regard. now the time has come for us to declare what kind of civilization we are. what is our idea, what is our value and what do we offer ukraine if it comes over to our side. here we must now collect the bird not to the right not to the political elite. she is no longer there, neither to the oligarchs nor to business structures, but to the ukrainian people to the people who are part of our single east slavic civilization. and don't just uh, turn to say, give up, drop it and drop your weapon to explain why they have a future only in alliance with us only in our

one space, if we are this space. where between russia and ukraine as a single east slavic territory we cannot recreate there, how again and again an enclave of terrorist activities directed against us will be created again and again there will be attacks again and again there will be new destructive impulses. and we will again be forced to fight fight fight when he wants to. the west will equip as soon as the west is ready. there is another another militaristic junta. maybe it will be completely different people with different names. there is no danilov, no reznik, no zelensky. others are simply completely different and unknown, and they will do the same anyway, so in my opinion. we are now at a turning point. you see, the west speaks at the munich conference, but through the mouth of soros, and the confrontation of open and closed society. this is an ideologeme, and xin-jinping is such quite right. they said that it formulates the chinese idea more and more clearly

, and with it, and for us, in my opinion, in order to beat in this real war of civilization, it is very important now that this is our extreme red line. we now need to clearly articulate our idea, our worldview, and our vision for the future. for everyone, this is necessary, including and can be in the first place. this is necessary for the ukrainians, because now it is not clear to them who, then, there are those who went to the west has rejected the western, and this biden visit supports that idea. respectively. now, of course, we have realized that we are not part of the west, we entered the conflict with it, which is fine, but now from the negative phase. we are not the west, down with the collective west, we must move on to a positive program within our country. we, if not the west, then who what are our foundations what are our ideals? what are our future strategies like you, what do we propose in these strategies, and in this future ukrainians. not just joining the russian federation, but creating something

new, in my opinion. revival of the universal revival of our spiritual, our spiritual identity, our roots, our cultural identity, and it is now our enemies that are playing this card. we are acting from the sidelines. just don’t do it don’t join nato don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t go washington, come to washington in our common space on your own speak only, because it is also our part of our common cultural heritage. you know here. i’m crooked listening i have two reactions the first one is at the level of my personal preferences at the level of analysis of the situation, i especially agree. if not 100, then 98%. then i start thinking, but how to put it into practice, and uh, konstantin anatolin did not really want to predict. what will happen militarily.

and i have even less e knowledge to do this, but it’s obvious that this is, in general, the more tasks, and in general, it’s more difficult to achieve them quickly, and therefore i’m turning to you yuri there are russians, because that the possibilities of russia to implement these are very correct, but also far away, the ongoing tasks depend on the position of china - this is the question that you began to be asked. e. it is quite logical that china has its own interests. it is quite logical that china has its own priorities and it is quite logical that russia should not rock the boat in relations with china and be grateful for what is being done, but still , it can be counted on specifically, especially when it comes to military power in russia, there are some things

that are not happening right now, that may start to happen. and if some things that may be already happening in the area military cooperation, but we don’t know about them, you know, and you are already entering the sphere of military secrets, which, firstly, i don’t have. and if i had, i would not say, well, you have a general idea, which, probably, is not covered here. look, but the other day, literally, namely, on february 24, when a new initiative will come forward again with the first initiative on ukraine, and it will become clear how closely it coincides with the national interests of russia and china at the end of march, obviously, then dolphin will come to moscow then. will be that fateful there will be more negotiations. it is clear what is

the future of russian-chinese relations for this period up to the thirty-fifth year. yes, and you are absolutely right that the national interests of russia and china do not have to coincide 100% and e in our history, as you know, soviet-chinese relations had periods of almost complete coincidence of national interests, when e-e in china , after the victory of the communists, socialism then, through the joint efforts of the newlyweds khrushchev, began with decoupling. yes, because now it is called a divorce. a damansky cultural revolutions and so on and so forth. and then after death he came, and that's when a new one was made, and the choice of china in accordance with

national interests. the national interests of china once again dictated then a divorce from the soviet union, and now the national interests dictated a rapprochement with america and denteopin in just a few days. after he became the first person in the party, he went to america and offered to create a world anti-hegion front, at first they did not quite believe how the communist power would fight another human power under the laws. mafia relies on joining a new member to give him the task of killing someone, right? china was given the task of killing vietnam, the vietnamese chinese war began. after that, although the war ended in the ninth year, yes the seventy-ninth year. and after that, china became its own, it was given political support by technology capital, and this period,

which was called the opening reform. it lasted until 2017, practically, yes. and uh, what did the soviet union cost? this is china's transition from only national interests to others we were forced to start a fight on two fronts. we strained our forces. we have overextended ourselves. and i think that in the collapse of the soviet union, one of the reasons was that we fought not only with america but also with china. and so, now we are 10 years old. we live in the conditions of this new era, when xi jinping and putin see our national interests together, but again, uh, in these 10 years, several stages have been passed. as a result , we became very close. and now

america is against us with the west at the head now in fact there are two fronts of the cold war western and eastern western front. and where are we already going? war eastern front this is china where the war is being prepared? and america is also overexerting its forces. she is forced to fight and wants to believe that she is waiting for the same result that will lead to the end of the american century. thank you, we will continue this conversation in a few minutes. to the day of the defender of the fatherland on the first by car on

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analysis, but i would still like to ask you to be a little more specific if possible. here, considering the national interests of the two countries, considering the common threat from the united states, considering, but if you want some kind of independent, but in one direction of movement towards the creation of their national values, which are closer for moscow and beijing than for uh, who would you were not one of them the united states, but still, this is what, as you think, could be real in terms of russian chinese cooperation, and china is still open, at least not supplying russia with lethal weapons and, uh, the united states does not say they are not making such accusations.