[000:00:00;00] it's like you and you come across this and come to eat this part of mm well, here comes the algorithm. where is what going? what if, because of this, they will be unhappy there or i will be unhappy, for example, then all the forces are some kind of remote questions. this is ridiculous, of course, but you understand, yes, you will be an unfortunate konstantin when you are, to some extent , an absolutely happy person, mentally unhealthy. your attempt to be absolute yourself always happy and to raise children absolutely always happy. this is an attempt to raise mentally ill people friends. please write down everyone who is watching and listening to us now. here it is for yourself, please in the diaries and in the notes, the formula that and we are today's leading clinical psychologist. go suddenly and the candidate of psychological sciences mikhail khors

said formulated our podcast to the psyches. you see, lately, right now, this request from people to live without stress, live happily, as it is, perhaps we have on this provokes there conditionally media media to it. they are a promise to you, no matter how infinite, happiness and critical thinking , adult critical thinking. and what is adult critical thinking natalya is, when a person lives in reality and looks at wow reality, it turns out that such and such it is different. and an attempt to narrow down this field of variability of reality to one warm and comfortable corridor for you personally, it is very neurotic. yes, that's for sure. let's talk with you more about the relationship of your children with their mother, because look, we are considering the whole of such

a large family, in which i see there are three dads and two moms. yes, all this needs to be explained. well, here we are like with mom, thank god, all the children all communicate, and we are all going. that is, it is, as it were, like a magnet and everyone is always happy, that is, just a weapon. yes, my current one, that is, my child is coming, these children, that is, we are inside. here are the families of our children, which are ours as biological. here are her children, they have no boundaries, that is, they communicate as friends. that is, as if here i can not harmonizing. yes, and i am very lightning-removing. i would say that they harmonize somewhere. in this big oddly arranged family, atypical. there is a mediator, she is the second wife of konstantin. maybe look, she understands that she accepts and treats your eldest daughter very well . she has two children of her own, who

are just the point of such a conflict of a sluggish constant and they have m-th their husband. well, you understand that mom we are so much that we have to carry on, but in this situation, maybe it’s for us to give some advice or some kind of algorithm of action for konstantin's wife, how , maybe she should somehow moderate all this advice, do not try to moderate, but continue to moderate this walkie-talkie once again an attempt to somehow hop this whole situation and decide that everyone is happy and happy. an infantile attempt in the tradition of the best psychological films. yes, it shocks you at first, and then you are such a tank, then only you start somehow differently, that is, yes, you will die conditionally, of course, well, conditionally. i say it's, well, invigorating, yes, and they force you to watch such a shake-up a little, when only, well, you will have conflicts

with both your own biological and adoptive ones. it is normal to have conflicts with children. and what is the worst thing that in your imagination can happen to your children in the context of these difficult relationships with your ex-husband, the children will close, yes, at some point, they will just start, as it were, that ’s really, that you are not my father there, that you were , no matter how bad we are, that is, this will do. here is open. like, well, let's say unreasonably. yes, what will happen then . the only thing that they were going to start hurting themselves or would they think? what, well, rather yes to myself, that is, i still, probably, somewhere else i am not so infantile. im imagining that is, what does it mean that, for example, there? i don't know what well, from whom i answer you from myself. they hang themselves up that because of them the mother of the scouts, most likely, so far everything that you have told is not scary, but you understand, with such a set, as if introductory water data, reach a divorce,

for example, with this situation. that is it again. yes, in this discord, between dads , some will sow with us will be you and your wife, and you will get divorced. it scares you, including, for example, either they are either just, as you know, people are now, well, such trends, really, for example, what will happen, here's more in their lives. here is such as would say, events. yes, and in mine as well, that is, of course, this is also very well . , just updates. yes, i'm sorry, please. well , let's not normalize divorce. i understand that we live. yes, that is, it is a great tragedy in the personal world, which destroys all illusions with statistics, but listen, let's cling to something. well, let's cling to values, of course, i do not

call for divorce. am i saying there are divorces? yes, and some children go through divorces very comfortably. it’s even better to say that we see what psychology is called transference konstantin believes that if he was hurt, yes, then konstantin will divorce others fears. we got to the bottom of your fears, because they believe that this is pain unambiguously. feeling nothing. wait, we don't even admit that he loves this woman. he even tries and loves these boys, who are from another man, as much as he can. we do not admit at all that he just wants to save this family, and in fact , it seems to me that the most valuable thing that we have now got to the bottom of is that it is not the conflict with the father of these children, mikhail, that scares him . it seems to me that this obviously scares him that this conflict with dad will deprive him of children, that is, a family that

he now cherishes, and which he wants to keep. he is free, which is very difficult to make, and she was not given so easily. that's all, because i want a small moment, that there were a lot of countermoves against the creation of such a family, that is, everyone there is familiar, that is, friends, especially with side of the male. yes, everyone said, what are you, like, is it like there yourself? a no, of course, no, we were there. an interesting story is beautiful. there she helped her to cope with the fraudster there, and in general, we were just friends for 2 years, that is. already yes, yes well, conditionally something why, well, on the contrary , he already works as a lawyer at work. well, conditionally, yes, that is, there, well, that's it, everything was opposition. that is, we have a certain stilgmany such relations in society on the part of men. here, see the first communication with konstantin, if i felt bad and it hurt, then everyone will feel bad and hurt. the second society is homogeneous and everyone in this society does not welcome and criticize such

certain relations. yes, it's not. i agree with something experienced. and look for a society that will not criticize you. maybe its less related to this society. why, he actually has the right values, insisting on it. why would you look for this confirmation tabuni. taboos are born from you, girls, cool beautiful, but thank god you say thank you to the universe, what is happening? what difference does it make to you what they think, not just the male part of society, but some small one, when the developed segment of the male part is a question again. eh, here is self-respect and you, in principle, we usually listen to the society. ie have us such instinctively. we still try to be closer to some kind of sun yes to the society of communication. we all try to be. we are the same person strives to be. all the same , to meet some of the expectations of people. yes, yes, i see before me a rather atypical

character of our society. yes, an atypical handsome smart man, who, of course, means that he got into such a non-fabulous story with his personal life, five children, not the most terrible good, it is impossible to try to be right. yes, he tries to love everyone and everything he dreams of, so that he has that world that is finally more or less for him happy. he created not just so that this world would not be taken away from him. you are cool konstantin, why do you need society's assessments? if we're talking to you now, you're great. let me see now, now only another person has spoken for himself. yes, constantine romanticized this world. but konstantin believes that this world can be ideal and that, uh, it depends on konstantin konstantin put on the crown of god and decides. what is good and what is

bad in this world and any deviation of this real life from its ideal image constantine uh, cause pain. yes, maybe not in all areas of life, but in those areas of life in which konstantin e has his own such deep very wonderful values, therefore your attempt to be good for everyone. yeah, she's unrealistic, well, be an adult and admit that for someone and to some extent you will definitely be bad. and it's just not a problem. here, the less you will make demands on yourself. here these here listen will be bad. it doesn't mean being long or a scoundrel if you're bad at some eyes, yes, if you are the poor eyes of your biological dad, so to speak, e separated by fatherhood, you will begin to respect more. here, judging by how some

type. he will just start to respect you more. you understand part of the people part of the people until they are all nonsense. yes, i'm not talking about the physical just a manifestation of e-strength. yes, he's still bad already good. you won't, but time can fix something there, but for this you need to show. that man responded to his masculine strength. as michael says i'll be honest, as they say. oh, that's honest. here's at least how to say nicer for what you say, but here's what mikhail says, probably, it seems to me, well, more honestly, maybe, and, of course, it seems to me that if i, well, as if in working with myself, i would choose better to push off better to be disappointed in this, but it is necessary. i think it needs to work. yes , it's more of a negative. that is, here you said, as a plus, as i am in the black. and this is me, well, you know, like a person who

really tries all this there to control there to impose one's will to dominate somewhere. that is, so patriarchal, where are you, although i understand with my head that it is necessary to move away, but subconsciously, yes, models are all there, that is, and when it collapses. you, too, you try and do not understand start. it's like immediately really worry. no, not a vomit, because i'm like everything, well, it's walking there, it's something there, it's a little bit out of order. you just heard the positions, yes, but you know how it will turn out for you in reality right here in the middle, you take something from me something from natalievich. yes and again. allow yourself to be different. uh-huh extreme us uh, neuroticize normal. be alive , the man is reaching for the pole, as it were, either you are a hero, or you are bad. well, that's all, as if i'm saying that people are trying to polarize. this is a bad neighbor. we want to have this.

yes, in general, if humanity is very complex, of course, non-two-color non-two-dimensional themes are more interesting to live, yes, and therefore in your configuration about a bad and a good dad, there also cannot be a mathematically decomposed ideal model in both, good in both are bad in a complex composition, which is what you are great for, so we will continue to deal with the human psyche with mikhail. the psychic in our podcast by psyches. my name is natalya, you catch a journalist and my partner, so the podcast clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhail khors, we analyzed the difficult situation of the father of many children konstantin guys, i'm very glad to see you, i 'm glad that you all came and wanted to introduce you to each other. this is olga sergeeva

, actress, theater film actress. we are now oley together worked on the film girl woman, children's picture, where she was a director, and olga was a performer one of the main roles. i really liked the people who work when i found out that we will be discussing romantic russian fiction today. i realized that we need the opinion of a teenager. that's because i believe that teenagers are the main audience of literature. here is the so-called yang gave it is now called. yes, that is, not for children, but just like grown-up boys and girls. this is roma theological writer e and the musician, by the way, also, uh, roma has

philosophical let's say approach to various phenomena. i really like the way roma talks, and that's why i wanted roma to tell us something as a writer about writers, that's how, respectively, as a philosopher, uh, and a culturologist. perhaps, what about searchopism as such? that is. can we generally consider all authors to be escopists? today we will talk about alexander green alexander belyaev, i decided to combine them into one topic, because they have a lot of parallels in fate. and i think in literature. we have uh, wonderful, and the work green's scarlet sails, which is included in all memes, so to speak. yes, all kinds of things are possible, and we have an amphibious man, and there is the head of the duel professor, that is, these are also very bright works, which i am sure will never be filmed. let's start

the salt. olya tell me please, you read scarlet sails. have you seen the movie amphibian man? what else have you read wave runner. it's novel? grina yes , please tell me what you think about it. all works are quite interesting in them , you can just find a lot of parallels. there are some love threads there. uh, love triangles, love squares. it's actually very interesting to watch. well, let's talk about why, uh, can these authors be called copyists? what is scopism? in general, as a phenomenon of philosophy, yes, but the theme of escapism. it is so very extensive. and here is the definition of some kind of philosophy. yes, this escape is simply escape from the english word escape escape well, in this case, escape but from reality from

the present self from the fictional self from myself from some of your own ideas. that is , this is a huge mass of everything, but i would like reality first. and yes, well, first i would like to say that if belyaev and green are escopists, then these are people who, in order to make a kind of cultural throw, they did not hide. they did not hide somewhere, they just rushed, and they emerged victorious, that is, they carried out such wonderful ones in fact. yes, let's say eternal works, i'm not afraid of this word. but if you take escapism in general, uh, in psychology and philosophy, it is as it should be, not developed. it's just a term that fits, but in principle, to everything. that is, to any aspect of life, someone becomes informal, someone runs away from their parents, and someone runs away into literature and does it

so brilliantly that, well, words, and there are no other than grandiloquent ones, and the russian word is an outlet. now they also call escopism in russian. this is a breather. it would be nice for us to come up with, you know, so that the word vent can be combined. somehow call green yes, let's move and with these guys, so that the scopismont sounds incomprehensible, but if you figure it out, then really an outlet. yes, people have created andrey my husband andrey rubanov is a writer. he also writes fantasy. and so he believes that the main thing for a writer is to create a meme, as he says, and he believes that we, belyaev and green, they, well, with each created their own meme, one created scarlet sails , another person with superpowers. yes , a person who can fly, as in the novel lel, or an amphibious person, a person who can live under water. here anyway,

they created some kind of image one, but very dacha powerful, which something there in itself carries some subconscious positions in people. yes, uh well, let's just say it shifts outward, like an oil-and-grower. let's talk about maybe a little biography of these writers. they were born around the same time. it was in the eighties of the xix century and, accordingly, there formed how the personalities began to work. e somewhere around the twenties . yes, and they both survived the first world war, and the hungry years revolution. uh, both experienced very serious health problems. yes. let's say lethal sometimes. so, what about such subtle romantic natures that gave us this romantic classic. uh, it's been such a hard life.

it seems to me that there is some connection, because the scarier the reality. yes, the more real you make this magical world for yourself ollie tell me please, here is e, an amphibian man, yes, and scarlet sails. now, if we're just talking about an image, then we have, uh, a plot about words. where the girl dreamed she guessed that one day? she meets the prince, he will sail according to these sails. uh, and she believed in it for one of them. everyone laughed and considered her a crazy fool, but one day , a really real prince decided to fulfill her dream. he sailed with sails, and the whole village saw that this was a dream and the girls came true, and she, of course, was glad to be sure. that all this will happen, it happened is one story, yes, the classic one that remains and consider the amphibian man

alexander belyaeva yes, there is a story, probably everyone remembers, because everyone knows the film in the sixties wonderful with vladimir korenev and anastasia vertinskaya in the lead roles. well, i wanted to touch on, maybe a little more about belyaev’s biography, because he came up with this man an anfigia, who swims remarkably underwater and somehow you say love triangles. yes , some drama. that is, he brought pearls there, so he dived somewhere. yes, that is, all this is so impressive, but the person who wrote this, alexander belyaev, is with him. uh, there were health issues. he was great. it's tuberculosis and he's six years old spent in a corset not movingly, but here it is necessary, and also to remember the head of a long-time professor. yeah, which he wrote, just under this one, yes belyaev is under the terrible impression of his own lying in bed, when

it is impossible to move, when only the head is working. and in general, it seems to me, it’s precisely here. hmm. here is such a passion for dissecting bodies, that is, a light young shark. the head of a professor dole, which itself exists on. here he has a passion for science. he loved tsiolkovsky very much for science. was interested in what tselkovskiy was doing, but it was superimposed on the disease. here is this tangle plus talent. uh-huh, and gives us this absolutely amazing picture of talent plus the experience through which a person goes through, because both green and belyaev, despite some fantastic romanticism of these, themes, they knew the thorough material, that is, belyaev knew what it was not to move. he understood how this is what a professor doley's head is, how does a head feel without a body? and green, who invented bourgeois yes worlds,

as critics said with roma, with some of these yes, he was in solitary confinement for 2 years for terrorism, that is, the person who fought, deserted, was a revolutionary. yes, he was in prison. well, you know, after two years in solitary confinement. and even then exile he became disillusioned with revolutionary activities. yes enough yes, but nevertheless he went through it. i just want to point out that these were people with real, serious, life experience, a very difficult writer. today they blame modern people for what you write some kind of shit. yes, but it’s not clear why there are so many beautiful things in the world besides her, and green and uh, belyaev being in such a really terrible state. they

managed not to pull into their world. here is the world of literature. all this. i'm telling you, it's a feat. this is how we started this escapism, as a feat, as a cultural feat. it seems to me that we should call the program that way, as a cultural feat, right? well, i agree that the worlds of these authors are so convincing. green even said that i can feel my world by touch. this fox zurbagan gel-gyu, some of these, belonging to him, knew the geography of this port city fox. he could draw it. he imagined himself so materially that when critics told him that you are inventing everything with you and the superficial bourgeois world that you do not know, yes, and no one knows and there is no reality in it. there is the truth of life. and this, of course, was very unfair, because you can imagine what kind of work the writer did to create this world. they had

periods of success. and firstly, i wanted to say that belyaev was a fairly successful lawyer, how funny it is for some period of his life, but before he began to engage in active literature and he earned money. advent and even before the revolution i managed to go, uh, and i traveled around europe, he was in italy in france in general, i won’t say so as not to lie, but he saw european life. and, perhaps, these impressions left their mark. and greene was a sailor, and also in his youth and was also on travels. eh, that is, went for border, let's say, so they had something to rely on, probably even in describing this bourgeois life. i'd also like to say that hmm. except maybe professor dowell's head. in the other three works, these are scarlet sails.

wave runners yes, and uh amphibious man, the sea is everywhere. this is a romantic symbol, but not only this, but also as a symbol of the ocean of consciousness. yes, that is, such a feeling is created that all these troubles are love triangles are squares, and some kind of deception. yes , forgeries all this happens, but there are nearby the sea that is watching. their writers had a biography associated with the crimea and the sea. also, such a parallel still exists in the crimea. a human amphibian was filmed in the west of crimea, the tarhant is called a month. olya please tell us more about the love triangles in these books. i would like to move on to the personal life of our heroes and i would like to start all the same with their figurative representation. here you read it. yes

, the works of belyaev and green, here, as it seems to you, what kind of image of a man do you have. what is the image of the hero, what is the type relations, let's say, in the works of belyaeva green, namely, in the runners of the plan and phoebe's man, the heroes of the main characters are all too confused. you can say so and a confusing personal life, but in the amphibian man the main character. so it turns out that initially. yes gutera had to marry a man she doesn't love, then she fell in love with them andro well, it turned out, so he can't live on us, can't be in the medal, they can be together and in the end. she married a man who loves her, but she thought he was her friend and everything is too confusing. it's like in life. all this is not confusing. so normal

nearby, yes, such a thing happens, and in the runner was our main character. i thought that he loves the scourge of a romantic beauty. yes, but it turns out that the scourge is too mundane for him and as a result he chooses daisy the cheerful daisy yes, and there is also frazy grant the heroine. well, as they say, yes, my most beloved of all this whole work. well , i want to tell you a little about my personal life. e our heroes, to make it clear. why everything is so confusing, because we have already summed up, summed up with roma that our writers are realists, in fact, that is, they are at least telescopic, but they also wrote their own experience. as real serious writers do, therefore, all these complicated relationships with a woman took place, of course, in the fate of everyone. for example

, i know more about green, because i read his biography, which i wrote. very good in the zhzl series, the green had several periods. uh, several types of women he met along the way, for example, his first love is revolutionary. katya bibergal, ekaterina wilgel, and nicknamed pussy pussy. yes, i remember sitting. here is an interesting nickname, such a cinematic one, too, a little. yes , an absolutely cinematic story, because the man, uh, was engaged in revolutionary propaganda and was successful precisely as propaganda hard work was not given to him, physically. yes, as a soldier's work sailor's work. and something else, that is, he liked it, he spoke well to green, many noted that green was a good speaker. he was a wonderful marator, he managed to win attention. here so to speak the first beauty revolutionary hangouts. uh, these socialist-revolutionaries and they had

some kind of romance, but then he ended up, uh, for terrorist activities in prison. and when he was released, he went to see him. she refused and did not marry him. it was a refusal, and he shot her with a revolver. that is, he was such a hot-tempered person. he shot e in the chest, that is, with the intent to kill. but the girl didn’t hit the heart, she survived, and not even how she didn’t hand him over to the police, in general, this story went down on the brakes. here but nevertheless, he still ended up in jail, but also again about his, uh, terrorist activities. well , it sounds scary terrorist activity, in fact, it was , let's just say so, propaganda of revolutionary ideas, but the most interesting thing is that i really like it. the story is about, uh, when he published his first book of short stories. he decided to brag to this girl, who

naturally remained his spiritual wound, probably all his life, as his first love, and even more so not mutual, and he sent her into exile here is my book. here, i'm just trying to introduce them, and here's olga imagine, woman. yes, he almost killed her, and then i stopped reading my book. well, how do you like it? and it was much more serious than today, well, the book came out, then it was an event indeed. well events, he wanted to mean something to her. i wanted to show her that he was on another level. yes, but she really never wanted to see her again. they never saw each other again, but he had a first wife later. and vera abramova e, which was probably like whips in uh

whipping. yes, this is the heroine running on the waves. that is, it was. uh, a beautiful, alluring woman attractive to him, but uh, shall we say, not taking his literary work seriously. that is, she also criticized his desire, er, to make heroes with foreign names some kind of fictional life. i mean, she didn't understand him. they converged there, diverged, but in the end they finally parted somewhere. maybe before the revolution. that's young enough anyway, people still communicated all their lives. they corresponded, then he had a hopeless crush on green, not mutual in his secretary. the fact is that maxim gorky assembled a house of writers where they could live, get free food , or something like that, and there was a secretary

, maria alonkina, and she was, so to speak, the muse of this whole house of writers. of course, writers were in love with her. she was very young, and apparently a charming eel. there was no chance because he was ugly gloomy thin. absolutely. yes, everyone said that he had a very bad character, and, of course, he could not win the star of this house to write or, but nevertheless he was inspired to write and sail, but he dedicated them to his third wife. so he met nikolaevna grin with him, it was his biggest luck in life, she was a woman who adored him, took care of him , took care of his literary work in comfortable conditions. she went with him to the end. and i'll even tell a story. here, uh, about the house, probably yes, i wonder yes, we can all discuss what scarlet is about sites unreal stories, well made up. yes, this is some kind of myth romantic women believe that men can fulfill their

dream, but i'll tell you a story. where did a woman act like this captain gray yes, captain grayson, she fulfilled her dream, and it was nina nikolaevna green censorship. he was struck out of the popular authors, they lived very poor, he fell ill, he had his stomach began to develop. and the fact is that because of poverty, they all the time rented, some kind of cheap housing in the crimea and were forced to wash from corner to corner, because on the wave of success, and not sold an apartment in st. petersburg, they wanted to go to the sea. there is a romantic atmosphere. yes, but life there was quite difficult, they just stopped publishing this one. they were looking all the time for a place where to live cheaper, they were left without their own corner. and now nina nikolaevna made such a gift to him that, when it became

clear that he was dying, he lay. and he didn't get up. she gave him an adobe house, then there is, uh, all the little savings they had she invested in an adobe house, you know what an adobe house is? no, this is such a hut, such a hut made of clay has seen such in the villages. in general, she gave him such a simple, cheap adobe house, but there was a window by the orchard. he could lie in his house and look at a very beautiful garden and for him. it was very important. the fact is that in the novel the wave runner there is such a scene where, e heroes, em, gives a house to his girlfriend daisy on e, brings her to the house without saying that it is her house, and then how, when she praises and says how she likes it, he gives her some kind of paper stating that this house is hers and exactly the same scene was played by nikolaevna because she brought green to this house. and only when he said that she was magical. she said that