and he didn't get up. she gave him an adobe house, that is, uh, all the small savings that they had, she invested in an adobe house, you know what an adobe house is? no, this is such a hut, such a hut made of clay has seen such in the villages. in general, she gave him such a simple cheap most inconvenient. there was a window by the orchard. he could lie in his house and look at a very beautiful garden and for him. it was very important. the fact is that in the novel of the wave runner there is such a scene where, uh, the heroes, um, give a house to their to daisy's girlfriend, he uh brings her to the house without saying that this is her house, and then how, when she praises and says how she likes it, he gives her some kind of paper that this house is hers and exactly like that the scene was played by nina nikolaevna because she brought clay to this house. and only when he said that she was magical. she said that the house is now theirs and , as far as i remember, in this house, then, as

a result, the green museum in the old one. as far as i know, it also exists. here belyaev also had a romantic story. he also gravitated towards beautiful fatal women, but in the end he also realized that the writer needed another, such as a companion, the first woman. first companion. as far as i remember, i left him precisely for the reason that his spine ached badly, and she said that i wanted to live, and not take care of a disabled person. and that's probably. it was such a first shock in his life in general, i would like to add the most interesting thing, and about, well, a little younger than the two of us at the age of olga and belyaev jumped from the roofs of various buildings. that's how it is with him showed up. here is the craving, for science even then , and he believed that he, god forbid, such a craving for science, he speaks gravity and

really will fly, that is, here is a romantic man from the very first days. that is, he was limiting himself to wings, some amazing constructions from an umbrella once even jumped. but the question is that after all, he injured his spine for the third time, which he later said, until not yet, finally i didn’t understand that it was impossible, i wasn’t convinced. and this injury was lucky twice, he gets this injury. then she said together with tuberculosis. yes, so he also found a wonderful life partner. it's just that, unfortunately, there is also a tragic story, because his wife and daughter were captured by the germans and, in general, they were first captured, then, when they returned, uh, to soviet russia , they ended up in a camp. well, in general, life was very difficult. and not only for writers, but for their families, nina nikolaevna green also had problems after the death of her dear husband.

she worked in a printing house when the germans occupied the crimea and when this situation ended. uh, the villagers, they started it. well here's the bait that she was in collaboration with the printing house. well, that is, this is such a moment, but you don’t explain to people that you really can’t get anywhere, but this, by the way, is the plot. pay attention to how you writers intertwine life and work, because the same here, eh, but salt, by the way, this name was invented by green this character. olya, she remained so romantic and a star of literature that they only do not call from sweets to factories the super-commercial name that greene came up with uh, that name doesn't exist. this is a figment of his imagination. in general, this is assol ah. she was ridiculed in the village. that's just where she lived by the sea and the same story

then goes on after his death. nina nikolaevna yes, she is subjected to ridicule and some kind of persecution of the inhabitants. eh, this non-native place where she lives and life accidentally brought there, but nonetheless. that 's where the grain museum remained in this old crimea, and in general, this place is already associated with it. here belyaev died in the village of pushkino along the length of leningrad, then it was children's village a terrible story, of course, the city of pushkin is obtained by the germans forty-second. ubilyaevo, but it turns out there was no food, no water and no heating at all. i mean, he just lay there. in the four walls, what is called yes he died of hunger and the cold, we know that writers are usually very complex biographies, writers of all, yes, they die.

yes, just their biographies. these are the most difficult, probably, these are the fates that scopism wanted to say in general. still, back to our main topic. well, i don't know about you, but i have still, there is a parallel between assol and ichthyander, but here are two characters that hmm, which society does not accept, does not understand. a. well, when evil people, let's say yes , see what he can do. uh, being under water for a long time, what they do to him immediately makes him look for pearls mmm. and this is a completely romantic young man who does not understand life , does not know that such people exist at all. yes, they don’t know that real values ​​\u200b\u200bexist, well, assol is clear that the girl is not of this world, as she was portrayed in the dreamer and she is also in her own city. e. does not

enjoy, shall we say, popularity and respect. and this, too, in a sense, can be called escapism, because this is not forced scopism, that is, life is arranged in such a way that if you don’t want to fit in or can’t fit in, then in this machine that works and works for a year year, and catches up with money there. eh, some kind of happiness invented, not invented. everyone has their own way, be kind, that means, be patient, this is wittyness and be, but from copyist, such which. well, people have decided for you that you will be an outcast. well, by the way, will it be relevant today? is it possible now to say that right now there is some trend of iscapism in literature? or how it can be expressed today, after all, we are talking , but you can go to this topic through the question of olga

. can an actor step into a role in order to get away from the real self? actually it’s actually a difficult question, because all actors are still immersed in a role in different ways. yes , many load themselves with work to escape reality, but still, quite small people do this, how do you do it? tell me how you 're doing. i love to work very much. yes, you can say that to some extent i am engaged in escapism, because i load myself with work to get away from reality, to forget about school, about some teenage ones. uh, thought problems and so on and so forth, but i can't say that everything actors do this because they are immersed in the role. you are more yours. you take your experience, uh, and

build it into the role, and don't go into the role, forgetting your whole life. you saw such a dance of the vertinskaya dance of the gute era in e amphibious man. yes, olya also had a dance in the film. she did it with a choreographer and starred. tell me, when you saw this dance with vertinskaya, you showed that this is a great acting job, because it seems to me that you are the dance. he is simply magnificent absolutely not, i liked this dance very much, because this dance expresses and my emotions feelings. this is the dance of man. in mine, phoebe shows love relationships and their e, and this is actually a very big job done, acting, of course, yes, this is a wonderful acting job, and it seems to me that vertinskaya is still most popular because of this role. although she is a great actress in other roles. but

somehow people remember it. yes , most of all there right, as it should, yes, and even it's a pity that they didn't succeed in the end. what a pity, and the ending of the film and the ending the text of the work, but the film differs a little, the film ends with the fact that the ichthyander just goes into the wave and swims away, and the text of the work also says that the gutiers are with a journalist, but they create, uh, well, a couple it was also necessary to show this in the film, because there is no such hint, right? yes, he blesses. uh, the ichthyander blesses her for marriage with this journalist, says he loves you or when it's so interesting there, so the picture is made. and by the way, one of the main escopists in in all works this is on uh, doctor, just here, uh, who inserted the ichthyander, and the light

young shark, yes salvater. that's where they killed him. this sounds very serious, but can there be a head, but the head lives separately? above the bodies, and here is the head, although speaking and thinking, and this person or not. here is one head can be human or not ethical issues. that is, whether he put them in front of him at that time is unlikely. of course, it was possible somehow , at that time it was impossible, but he foresaw these scientific postcards alone. here big such a big piece of escapism. but science fiction writers specifically, what they are, well, not only did they give us a work, they also looked into the future and made it convincingly amazing somehow, maybe they influenced, because i know that in programs i announce exactly, for example, i wrote in a newspaper in a magazine where belyaev published to himself that this man thinks his scientific work

is convincing, that is, the scientific community. well, yes, that there were no accountants there, because this is not a matter of fiction, but in fact, of course, everything was there. it was. and here's escapism, as you said, roma , well, that's olya said. it seems to me that we have come to the conclusion that escapism can be productive, or it can be destructive, and we are talking about the fact that even olya said that an actor, maybe, yes, how to run away into a role, or maybe use your own development experience. it seems to me that we are now talking about igrin and pilyaev. these were very productive scopists, their work is very diverse, therefore they have different works. well, let's just say those that remained, er, in culture. ah, those works which have screening. they all, uh, well, let's just say, helped us too, really, even if scopism helped us become better even. if there is, but in their works. still, there are

some characters that reflect the evil. yes , aside, all the same, they are somehow cute, that is, it is clear that a and the writer loves them, he describes them. so here you can see his love for them, including, uh, in general, in general. we didn't discuss it here, well, we won't discuss it. i will just touch briefly, and there is such a work, one of my favorites at the green-beauty. here it is such a rather strange, bewitching mystical, and it is also there. uh, such a big dark negative background. but with what love all this is described, you come out of this story, you take out of it only well , only light, but i would also like to talk about olya with you about what they want today. yes, i want the same topic, that is, this splash, these films of the scarlet sails of athens - this is the sixtieth year, that is, the sixties during the thaw

became very popular. here is this romantic russian science fiction of the twenties. both of these authors fired. yes, actually develop from this. it seems to me that now is the same moment. olya told me that it would be nice today, but to look at these images already in modern films. yes, that would be very interesting. if all these films were re-shot again, it would be interesting for the old generation as well. you should also look at teenagers, because by comparing a picture you always learn more than just. watching one movie. yes, i believe that our podcast should inspire creators in order to create a new film adaptation of these immortal works, and russian romantic fiction is immortal. i think we'll all go to the cinema together.

a free program podcast with you tonight. i am maxim tankov and my guest today is the legendary soviet figure skater, the legendary russian coach elena germanovna vodorezova. good evening. good evening maxim for you, as well as for me and for, probably, for many of our colleagues. eh, life is divided into two parts. this is sports and coaching, which one has the most for you weight when they start asking me about, uh , my activities in sports. i can’t even tell you in what years i won something or what medals i have in what year i have it completely completely stewart, because well, somehow my brain programmed like this, that here for some reason i have it all erased. and when i'm being interviewed. about my activities sports for me, it’s somehow

very difficult to remember everything, therefore, probably, of course, more than what is happening today. now i will help you just remember a little, because i was just preparing a little for this interview and i know your sports career, because it really was great. you are the youngest soviet athlete who has ever taken part in the olympic games in the history of soviet sports. it was '76 was only 12 years old. yes, i am currently training these children. sometimes i look at them, i think, how would they go to the olympic games now. it would probably be impossible. and then uh, well, the bug took me and cooked a whole year. i didn’t speak anywhere, and a year later a commission came, so to speak, then, yes, from the federation, he showed me and, uh, they gave everything. good. no big deal, let it be. here such a small one performs, probably, on the one

hand, it was easier, because you are small, you don’t really understand it, like at school. performed well. first bad tenth. that is, there was no such thing. somebody still didn’t understand this, not political, what is it? after all, the olympics is a struggle of states. so let's just say it was completely incomprehensible to me. i came just for the next competition. well , the only thing i had was that i was injected. basically, everything was handed over from one hand. in another, that is, i was brought by athletes who lived with me to a stop there, i took a beetle or there one of the hockey players sometimes even drove me, so i was like that like 12 years, yes, you live only with women who are already adults. yes, there are real stars, there are long rodnina pakhomova lyudmila yes, and who took care of you?

natasha levenchuk, we lived together. so, in general, we are so good with her and then on to all competitions. basically, there was no living, but there was some kind of hazing or you were treated very well. well, probably due to the fact that i was really small. uh, how very well i was treated, and i don't remember such a thing, so that someone would direct me here. do you remember what your mother told you when she escorted you to the olympic games on the first , i don’t remember. my parents are very modest and they were very calm about everything, therefore, probably, i am very i was calm about what happened. it didn’t work out great. that is, i didn’t have any excitement at all, but wait, you returned from the olympic games already a real star. that is, the entire union would already know and realize on the street how to deal with this. i am inclined to think about this too, that this is upbringing and due to the fact that my family is very calm and modest to

success. and even the fact that even later, when i had athletes performing there. my mother was sometimes even the last to know what was happening there, yes, in my life, because all this was very calmly perceived well. well done. let's move on and that's it. this is not how you perceive today's mother. you won three more medals at the european championships and a medal at the world championships. and you were the first to do this in soviet figure skating, but none of the medals were gold. what got in the way? what do you think, the young age is at first specific, because indeed, it can be good jumping, but not very good skating. and it was a reason, as now, most likely, e not to put me somewhere high. and then in in general, they said, even at the first olympics when i went. here the federations

told me what they said, they asked why it was so far, it seems like i made a splash there at the very first olympics why so far? because you have first dances, because you have couples first men, all on the pedestals , we will have to wait a little in line. as now, but then you amazed everyone, as you already said with technical complexity, and you do not simultaneously conduct what is now, in principle, later. well, in general, i think innovation. it is always noticeable and always discussed and therefore always interesting and really beetle. in general, he overtook many generations. and the fact that sometimes i now meet my performances there and i see what i see, i see what i did it does. now it’s definitely a special program, yes, which is for children, we are just starting to raise children in this special industry, and then i already did all these elements,

that is, he tried it all on me, so, of course, this is the genius, first of all, of the coach in this and, accordingly , now a brilliant coach. but i found some fees stanislav, alekseevich beetle summer to be. yeah, uh, down south and at his favorite base. unfortunately, he passed away the next year, but i've been proud all my life that i still trained with him. and this, well, it was just very hard hard. yes, it is difficult, and then i saw how you work and i became friends with many of your athletes. ah, you don't use that one, do you? still, they told you something that i'm not like that, i think it's even worse. the thing is, these betas really are. this is the gathering we hated

we went to ride only because he was very fond of spearfishing, and we hauled such stones. yes, probably, it also did it for the most part on a large number of throws at that time he swam under water, when he swam under water, we sat down and waited for him to come up as soon as the tube appeared from the water. we mean pretended to throw these stones. these are our moments. all the same , soviet children also want yes, yes, yes, that we are somewhere with us a freebie. it was very difficult for us and we had crosses on stones and really me there we were little girls. fine? there were adults. i’ve been training with greenhouses all my life and there were moments when there was such a storm. and we ran right along the coast over the stones, and we could generally fly off anywhere, and the guys just had time for us. including picking me up. that's how we were friendly from such difficulties. here it is no. the sport has changed, and we live with you in

another country, so every year, uh, figure skating is still changing and now there is no point in doing it, because there are many other technologies are very many specialists who are more professional. this is what soviet children do, and now our modern russian ones. children training intensity. uh, number of hours. there is some difference, too , we can not compare, if you know such obligatory figures, yes, which, for example, i hated with all my heart. and we started from 7:00 in the morning to 9:00 in the morning, and from 9:15 to 11:00 we already skated a free program. yes, that is 4 hours. you only ride in the morning and four hours. you in the evening you can compare it is impossible. even now i can’t imagine how this can be sustained, and plus fp has some kind of choreography. we certainly had a wonderful choreographer from the moiseev ensemble. he just recently had open lessons. all the management came to us,

watched these open lessons. we can just say, the initial stage of the moiseev ensemble, so everything was very tough and professional and hmm incomparable. i think now, maybe the children would not stand it like that, that is, we are generations of freeloaders, well, simpler simpler honestly simpler, then what is the reason for the modern generation, that the bar has already been raised so much for all these quadruple jumps? train less. again, uh my back to the fact that the coach is to blame, yes, who is ahead of his uh time and trying to be better at it. a coach who wants to be first and accordingly he does everything and overtakes his time. and what motivated you, soviet athletes, and what motivates an athlete from another century now? well, in fact, well, i do. well, what motivated

you understand? eh, i was just remembering, but i was also asked something recently. i liked it. first of all. i liked it very much. even when asked, i don't like anything. go figure skating there. i did not understand this question at all, of course, i liked it. we continue to communicate with you with an outstanding athlete with a great coach elena german and you need to train every day twice a day and almost the whole day. yes, it’s not for you to explain to me, and who can withstand it, although you are also not easy was athletic and there are absolutely no champions. we tell you that we found something for you. you never trained me, but you are very emotional ; here is the physical. yes, there are a large number of hours, that is, for you, too, it was not always easier. i know you endured endured, yes, and then the

whole ivanovo. well, that's okay. it's a sport. correctly you speak simple with champions, not in general. i don't know who they are prasts are, probably, who just came together, well, as a rule, complex athletes. they are always champions. let's talk about your native, and for me, too, not someone else's club cska and it has always been the best school. well, if i don’t even know how to say in the union, well, in moscow it’s definitely in the union lately, yes, a and lately in moscow, yes, that is, everyone dreamed of getting into cska , uh, when i played for cska and i started out russia and cska said i was proud of it. yes now you feel like athletes, maybe less like this scattered, that there are so many schools, that there are fewer for you now, even here the enrollment is not as

large as before. if we had queues on the street to sign up with us, that is , there is no such thing now, then i asked others at other skating rinks how the same thing is in connection with what, due to the fact that a lot of private schools of a private school are located next to the house and, accordingly, it is logical for parents to always take the child away. where nearby and start just with pleasure to practice, then when the trainer advises and there parents see see the perspective of their children. naturally, they then already lead professional clubs, but if in soviet times they went to schools, looked for talented children, yes, they invited coaches to the sections, including, well, this is in other sports, now maybe a coach should pay attention to private schools and find. maybe there are some talented kids there. well, a private school, anyway, they themselves later come, uh , to those coaches who, as parents, they see it all right now, see it all,

who is now better in cska news for the goals of the end of moscow if it is possible at home in a residential area sadly, of course, when it's all nearby. it starts like this from the beginning. naturally, when you already know your parents very well. now everything is sorted out. this is a separate topic for conversation, then they begin to delve into figure skating. here is the seething life, and they themselves determine who is better to get to. yes, therefore, everything now depends more on the parents, than on the coaches and now the parents choose they are the coaches. how are you to take this into account that parents play such a serious role, that is, they are managers and coaches and parents and doctors and everything in the world. it's rather positive. of course, i'm negative. if we really talk about professional sports, then, of course, i have a negative attitude, because well, let's put it this way, we don't talk about their profession either. yes

, there parents work as translators or doctors there? we do not tell them about their profession. why are they telling us? how to work? this is a bit wild for me. that is, i consider as if you led to daughter of your son's coach, or do you trust or do you not trust? unfortunately, and you yourself know that a lot of good children disappear only because the zombie parents are the worst thing, because and sometimes you don’t even take such a child, because you already know its the end. yes, this story, because it delves into and it's mom's or dad's ambitions and wants more mom or dad and a child of 15 years old, as a rule, they finish, because it's impossible to withstand it, and in soviet times there was such a no. in there was no soviet time, because, firstly, our parents all worked

, they brought us to me, like for example, if you take my case, they brought me to 7:00 in the morning and picked me up there at 6:00 at 7:00 in the evening work schedule of my mom and dad . now parents, they practically give their lives, dedicate their lives and therefore demand from their children due to the fact that i have invested so much in you, respectively, you have to give it so much earlier. so you came from the 76th olympiad, what did you get from this state from the federation, at the age of 15, by the age of sixteen, i probably already had an apartment and a car. that is, now and so on , he earned more than his parents did not make a work book. that is, there were some exceptions. yes, it seems to me that even now it’s more difficult to remember some salary things, i remember, i think 250 and 300, in my opinion, some 400 were big, i’m more an engineer. i was born 120 received.

i received much more. and that their parents did not spend. well, i was at that age, where i spent. here i gave parents and everything, and parents because i have. all were also very modest teachers. then i asked them where the dacha is, where are the apartments, where is everything, here is the car, well , already the car was already an adult by this time already from 18, how can it be like this? yes, right away, and, probably, she was engaged in driving lessons, probably two or three lessons. and after that , my teacher tells me everything is fine. come on by yourself and still and very lazy to walk i can go to the next bakery by car for me from this money at such a young age. well, i don’t know, again, it’s necessary to ask my relatives whether i spoiled it or not. i don't think so. i am

very calm about them athletes. you understand, again, it depends on the person , when you see that you are so greedy that it is impossible, and that, although on the other hand i can honestly tell you to my athletes that there is no need to be shy. if you want to earn, please earn but you before you leave work. you should get the result, but now there is a lot of the same besides sports, there are a lot of options for athletes to earn money, that is, a huge number of ice shows, moreover, which even in the middle of the season go there for the new year. why is it bad and current athletes. so i want to ask you, this is bad and very good. i’ll explain to you why it’s not here, the first thing is that when we rode, so i know, there is also a native land, when it ended, she was offered this american, uh, this show to go sideways, but they didn’t let her, but she- then you understand how i could make money, yes , earn, that is, it is over, and

all. and she had to think about what i should do next. well, as if a coach, yes , that's it, there was no other way. well, i just want to say the possibilities are much greater now than before, for example. e. here i am not at all the person who will go to the show. well, initially. i don’t care, it also had to be a person who knows how to ride in a show, who still knows how to entertain people. yes, somehow create a mood for them. i am not from this series of people. i mean, it's just not mine. and if, probably, i unsuccessfully married, then i would, probably something, well, somehow you had to think about doing something in this life. and uh, if there is such an opportunity, and people want it, thank god and thank god that these shows exist. i'm only for thank god that there is now the first channel, yes, which makes these is the cup of the first channel. this is also a show. this is cool. that's

what people are watching. this is interesting. this is something new, we didn’t have that. it's just cool to remind you that today we are talking about honored coach of russia, honored master of sports of elena germans. let's talk alone then , because, probably, the biggest victory in life for me and for you is in 2014 at the olympic games at our home where? and tatyana and i won, and you and your student , gifted by the centurion, again became the first in history, because you are the first russian coach in history who brought a russian athlete to the olympic games to victory and yes. listen well, first of all, let's start with the fact that domashnaya yes, this is when someone else would get hit. so we got to home houses , it was so cool, let's start with the same preparation, as we were surrounded by this preparation.

yes, from the moment when this path of candidates for the olympic team began then specialists were introduced. yes, doctors, that is, for our victories, in principle, the leadership has done everything. until now, it’s just these developments, they all remain, then remember how long we were at the training camp in sochi. yes, there were already such cool programs. that is, it really was already such over aimed precisely at olympus on the olympic podium were all the athletes. such and respectively the whole team won first place, then we also had a team for the first time, by the way , in my opinion, yes, the team, that is, it didn’t hit. how do you feel about it, how was it? i represent her condition. well, and yours, of course, if not, but the thing is that, again, when i was sitting at the rentals, there is also this, and we

do this in september. yes, the olympics were in february. and you understand what a team is. it's already a championship team. that is , she will claim gold. and even more so, closer to the olympics you are athletes yourself understood that gold was real. yes, to be honest, i didn’t understand, that is , many people told me, but i was so sure that there was a us team at that time very strong and a canadian team. i thought well america we believed. well, i won’t explain why i’ll explain my position, why i don’t really believe, firstly, we had when the team was formed, we already had lipnitskaya who was yulia yes who was there for 15 years, and we didn’t know at all , what to expect from her, how will she get out there in these stands, how was she like that with us? zhenya plushenko veteran, which also yes, and. well, that is, we had good dances, but we didn’t have a world championship at that time.