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i know you weren't in direct confrontation, the existing authorities weren't dissident as well, but still. uh, what was the reason for you going back? with the authorities of those years, i really had practically no disagreement, it is necessary to distinguish. from which of the authorities? that is, for example, foreign policy. uh , i always approved of the soviet union and throughout the entire seventy-five years of soviet history, yes, and i approved and now i continue to approve and i think and remain in the same positions, and cultural policy inside countries. i never approved, but uh, i believe that the cultural policy of the country was carried out, not so much by some communist party or secretaries of the cska, because it was carried out by a group of people who seized the literary power
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of the cultural power and tried to defend their interests by all means . why did i leave? i remember the end of the question. i left literally thrown out by the storms of that time. uh, it was quite banal for that era , later this kind of way of leaving was impossible. previously, it was also impossible. well here, just when in the seventy-fourth year, i was leaving. it was possible, and then a certain number of several hundred people, not of jewish nationality, left. here is my personal story. it started when i got married in the bryusovskaya bryusovskaya church - this is on nezhdanova street there is an old church of 1629. and then a week later
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three people came to me. and i think that the wedding in the church only overflowed some cup that had already accumulated enough, because i and my then wife, my elena, we would communicate with just hundreds of free foreigners went to embassies. well, in short, ordinary soviet history began to spin. i was first evicted from moscow, then more serious things began, and then we were offered why they told you not to leave, mm, we will not put up obstacles, which we did. i remember the lemon, two such facts are quite funny for me now it’s very funny not to remember this wedding of the respected limonov, who was very prone to all sorts of pomposity, he loved all this very much put on its proper footing, that's just
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organized a very cool wedding organized a wedding. then we all sat together, smashed crystal at the table, drank to his health. there were a lot of people there, which are now gone. many of them. well, for example, with the unknown, let's say, i and the second such event, which was also funny. hmm well, in general, they were so predisposed to such um, so to speak, to behave not only how. well, i wish you were cool, so to speak, something from the servants in him always me, this i openly to him i say, for some reason, in you and yourself, the waiters are a hairdresser and a number of other, so to speak, e professions that, probably, he could well master. yes, indeed, apparently this is so , well, man is a complex and multifaceted being, especially such a person as he is, so, well , there is nothing surprising in this and there is a taste of deodorant, which if in his poetry in his literature. well, that's
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pretty good too. you never know, here, and the last one means that we saw that his wires wires were also difficult for the venezuelan embassy, ​​the village turned out to be his admirer and the same was a poet and so on. here he himself, so to speak, treated everyone to champagne, put on a white fartu. here there was, lenochka naturally. all the same characters, among whom i have been toloxes for a certain number of years, all collided on these wires. so the lemongrass ended. and so ended this whole, so to speak, story with a lemon that happened here. if you look at all this, at everything that happened
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from my current position, then i am grateful to the people from dzerzhinsky street who, in their time, they threw me in this way , took them and threw them into this cold foreign waters, firstly. now. i have almost 18 years of living abroad behind me. i have a wider outlook than any soviet writer or me, so to speak, probably many thousands of pieces of information about the west, which others do not have and, uh, this made me wiser and more, for example, a patriot of my own country. i speak as a patriot without quotation marks quite calmly, because, in my opinion, this is a completely natural state of any person. you started as a poet and subsequently practically e completely stopped writing poetry, that you died? e, a romantic or you e thought
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that you wrote off, no matter how, i didn’t reason like that, i didn’t think, i didn’t do anything on purpose, but when i ended up in new york in 1976, i just completely, naturally, switched. uh, to the prose genre, because the poetry genre no longer contained mine. uh, how could mine satisfy my cultural appetites. uh, for example, this shock collision with america with a different culture with others mainland. uh. i tried at the beginning of it and in the same year in the seventy-sixth that i wrote my novel, the first novel is about the novel this testicle, then i tried to solve the same topic in verse. i solved it, i wrote about a hundred poems. well, there was a lot left out of these poems, so i tried again and wrote a novel. and here in the novel, as you can see, it seems. i managed to do it
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so many years have already passed. roman this gif and continues to look more and more alive, so to speak.
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it's no secret that your first novel you wrote largely influenced by his family drama. do you agree that your ex- wife elena shchapova served, so to speak, as black music? well, you know, i could , i think that if there were no family drama, i would just as well write romanovich happy family life. and i think that with no less talent. i think i have enough talent. one should not think that talent feeds only necessarily on misfortunes, and no. no, unfortunately, to the general reader. uh, in our country you are known only uh, perhaps. hey, how is the author? this i'm an elchik, well, books will be published now. the fact is that this testicle e was not published for a variety of reasons and i, as the author
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, came, er, last to you. i think there is no one behind me. there were other writers ahead of me, there were anyone, there were former soviet writers, there aksyonov, whore, warriors, you can even see, there was a former soviet prisoner lyashkovsky and some other people. but i'm the last one no longer expected there will be no one behind. here i am the last one, because, firstly, i have never been a soviet writer. so to speak, neither a single line of mine in this country was not published until 1989, and therefore i had to wait longer than others until some certain boundaries fell. the borders, so to speak, the borders. e tolerance power. yes the authorities of the remaining authorities of tolerance. ah hmm oh, so
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top also your prose style, uh, violates. eh, many taboos mmm, in particular russian literature, and do you think that hmmm there are no limits of permissibility in works of art? well, suppose, e, which is absolutely not typical for russian literature incorporating what are called profanity or explicit descriptions of, uh, some uh love scenes? do you think that there are some taboos in works of art, something that cannot be described or how it is impossible to describe an obscene lecture in the newspapers. i think that this cannot be done, and ordinary people do not do this in french newspapers or in some other newspapers, and so be it, but, uh, write on a mat. how
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do they write ilishkovsky? i also think it is? this is some kind of uninteresting, like a light fixture literary, like all techniques, is simply not uninteresting, but i, uh, personally never refuse. here are the uses of this vocabulary when i need it in the context of my uh books, that is, when i have a hero, uh, who is in some incredibly difficult explosive circumstances. they they swear normally and otherwise. look at everything today. here, i was at the demonstration. so, when the demonstrators clashed with samon, then both sides were arbitrary in the heat of the struggle and those who were beaten with batons and those, uh, who dodged batons, all uh, deviant ones, as it were already expressed, and
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new ones are not on the lips. you see, this is an example for you of how if you try to verbalize this one here is a skirmish, it is impossible to depict it in any other way , uh, limonov with a lemon friend a wonderful person, when the kaliningrad professor, then professor of sorbon efim grigorievich edkint and the film grigorievich edkin, said when he saw the word lemons, haze. i understand that log syntax is very poor logs. i understand
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that the publishing house syntax is a very poor publishing house, but not in the same way not this not this, scoundrels to improve their financial affairs. i asked why not. why? well, after all, these schools read and there are such words that i read all these words. excuse me more than that, i know all these words, but i will never forget that the word son of a bitch i first heard no one from alexander sergeevich pushkin therefore, if you throw off the husk of words. what will be behind them incredibly bitter? and the very tragic and very beautiful story of manon lesko is like a manul, lesko only in our deeply obscene
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monstrous time. i'm not interested either, but the woman's head has hair, two arms and two legs, but a hole - it's overgrown with fur between the legs. so what, but i used to love women, i loved to get to know them, i loved to deal with everyone, i loved their orgasm, i loved to look at their distorted faces at that moment. and now i have left it to the common people and find pleasure only in the struggle against society and societies. edward and what do you think, if you didn’t leave, but then what happened to you and me from the union and you would become prose writers, for example, i probably would have been some big deputies here today. here. i don't know what a great leader, certainly would not be a political leader. why wouldn't it be? there would be a question.
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in what form to write any political appeals, in my opinion, is also very and how exciting and noble it is, look, the french revolution, its documents have passed centuries, writer. he would have been our great countryman bakunin , any writer would envy him, what a sense of aphorism he had. there, this destruction is creation splendidly. many. eh, it's not worse. what is our word, comrade major at mayakovsky's, or or what is there, is he you karla ? it's like he has something poisoners there? remember that yes from nastenka agency demand, you translate this means that such
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a fact that a person is a killer means absolutely nothing if he writes a great question, let's say so. well, writing isn't the best. say, a lucrative uh occupation in the west, and you are one of the few uh russian-speaking writers who, uh, live off their literary earnings. do you think that uh, when literature is hmm a way to make a living. mm. this cannot but affect her level, because you are obliged to constantly write in order to live, firstly, i am paid far from so many means of subsistence. i would like to get er more and say in the early eighties. i barely when i first started i barely barely drove make ends meet, but i really am moments
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of the release of the first novel. i live on literary works. but that was my personal decision. i said to myself, i will no longer be a majordomo or e. laborers will have enough for about 20 years. i worked my bread with my hands for dryer bread, which is enough, and now i live and hope, and will live with even greater success only on literary earnings. limonov is a very strong-willed man, he is a very strong man, and he had such an insane task to live on literary work.
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doing nothing else, even to to soak his body in paris , i don’t know such examples, when he lived in paris he really was already one of those few , perhaps the only russian writer in paris who always lived only on his literary earnings. well, we are a subjective view, the most, as it were, commercial and not like you the book is an executioner. tell , as it were, the origins of writing, so that it serves as an impetus. it just means i was very interested in the first few years. there is peace. i did not know him yet and with great curiosity, so i
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went everywhere and once i met a man, who introduced himself as a professional sadist, was very surprised and wanted to know what a professional kindergarten is. he says, i work in such a show. uh, where i play a sadist. dressed in leather there with a whip and everything else, well, i was very interested and i went to see his life. this is a show, then i met him for some time, without any. uh, without any specific purpose. later, he wrote a book, already lives in paris, remembering him, and he was a pole , this guy and, uh, from this book and more from several scandals e such a common new york. eh, or rather from this book, from this one
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, from the image of this person and from several scandals that were widely reported in the post world. and everywhere, for example, there was such a scandal turned out to be a sadist. and there was a founder. here it is dino alignment such a card you know crazy billionaire, super billionaire buddy. uh, oddly enough, whoever you think er reichen and in the early eighties , there was a very strange dark story when er vicki morgan was bloomingale's ex-girlfriend. she told the press that she participated in sadistic orgies with bloomingale. he just died then, uh , that means both uh and with uh, different members
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of the government, high-ranking people in the state and a completely mystical story began. suddenly, one of the great morgan's lawyers said that he had a video paper showing bloomingale himself and regan. uh, and then, uh, the story ended with the great organ being found, uh, with a smashed dead head with a smashed baseball bat. uh, beaten to death and her own friend, who pleaded guilty, and then retracted his testimony. this story never had any logical end, but it would have influenced the creation of this novel. this is a very light novel, it is written in a very scary way in the genre of cyriller. that is, uh, how is it in russian, i don’t know a film that you can watch
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things. what is the percentage of fact and what is the percentage of literary fiction? i think that even if i wanted to answer you, i won’t be able to, because for this you need to really think and count for a long time. how many percent just like that, even i can not say. just in case, consider that this is everything at the same time, the truth and at the same time, and i endured this is mine, as it is called my inalienable right save. it is a deep mystery never to be told, the reader to consider his prose.
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from the point of view of strict literary criteria, for example, from the point of view of structuralism or some other ism there, it is certainly possible , but not necessary, in my opinion lemons, a writer is not of the class when he needs to be analyzed according to the level of language to write their delights. this must be done with his poetry, which is indeed a kind of e, literary linguistic phenomenon. and as a writer he is a writer himself beloved. uh, lemons, because uh type of person who pretends to be superman you know, and even after uh hmm big booze. yes, as they say here from a big hangover, every morning, waking up, he still takes dumbbells and
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pumps for a few, tens of minutes, and sometimes for several hours. e his very beloved body dear to him. uh, and his whole external image is dedicated to himself, dedicated to his wonderful body from his point of view, and the way he dressed before emigrating, and the way he presented himself in the photographs, and the way he behaved in paris at a time when we were close says that he unusually loves himself and his body by wearing such a shirt with short sleeves. he twirled his arms as high as he could so his tanned biceps showed. i don't blame
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limonov at all for this. it's great when a person thinks about being beautiful and attractive er, but he definitely always calculated and pondered how he looks. uh , he accurately calculated, how he looks, uh in cardinates, the future, his upcoming communication, a japanese restaurant, good in autumn, hot napkins in dank weather, warmed sake when the mri is blowing especially good before the attempt on the life of the prime minister on the last day of money whistling november. and what books do you read, what is called for the soul? here for the soul, i read and carry with me travels these comments by mishina khagakura to such a book
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from the samurai ethics book. the hogakura itself was written sometime in the early 17th century. uh, and uh, you know one of the famous uh, the slogans of these kamikaze pilots is the same slogan of a shark, they had bandages on the forehead of the kamikaze pilots with uh, the samurai way is death is gorgeous a historical book of hagakura written by a yornuta buddhist monk who was a samurai until the age of 40, but he was forbidden to commit suicide when his lord was killed either according to the samurai code. all older samurai seem to have to commit suicide, but the lord forbade him to commit suicide by a special will. stayed and wrote this
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great book, which is good for all occasions, it gives me, uh, spirit. uh, always gives me some kind of strength. today, leaving for the manifestation. i also read it several times looking for himself. yes, the way of the samurai is death. and after that i went, but if everyone has their own pantheon of writers, then i have it too and there are very much like that. uh, strange neighborhoods, uh, authors from different epochs and different peoples, there are some really smart ones there, or they say , or konstantin leontiev, either behind the lines, or zhanna, or my niche, and i must also name the same makunin. the exaggerated significance of henry miller certainly did a lot for anglo-saxon literature, he
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simplified it and not so much, as usual, the crowd e perceives only such a scandalous, as it were , scandalous side of creativity. well, let's say henry miller is considered the man who introduced america to sex and so on, but this is not entirely true. uh, he did it, but it's only his small. eh, part of his services to american literature, he actually performed in american literature the same role that he played in french celine , he brought it into american literature, a living colloquial language, the language of the street, the language of some kind of weaving conversations. there in the bars on on on the street, he ceased to express himself in literary latin. and uh, you know? that's thinking about myself. i also often say to myself that if i would like to,
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and i think that i have the right to do so. e, too, be perceived. that's how the writer of this uh, like, i was accused a lot for the fact that i was in my first novel, that i used both the soviet language and and in general not a literary language, not only deviant. as you say, he not only contributed some risky scenes. uh, in everyday life, let's say literary, but uh, really, this is the language in which i write, this is the language of the street, this simple language. but then again, to understand who henry miller is, you need to read books from the thirties, what you are american, what came out in his era, this is insanely manna. this is such absolutely puritanical and uh bourgeois boring literature.
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your, uh, relationship with the solzhenitsyn, well, solzhenitsyn is one of the people responsible for, uh, that's what happened. it was he, together with the dissidents of the sixties, who for the first time raised raised his voice against not only the communist party, its abuse of crimes there. like us if you want so, name it i do not mind, but uh against the russian state as a result, therefore paradoxical things, he who considers himself uh a christian to the jerusalemites. who understand? he's responsible for, uh,
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most of it. e. here is the confusion of the spirit, which at the beginning of uh, hmm, seized most of the russian intelligentsia, and then, uh, you see, spread to their other societies. and this is the madness that the country has been indulging in for 7 years. uh, on his conscience, too, he is not alone, there were other people, but he means pretty much the third last one of the last cold wars can be named as its date, it is the date of the publication of the archipelago. the gulag seemed to him that he exposed the system, but in the west i lived there and saw how they perceived it. they perceived it quite unambiguously and primitively that russia is an archipelago country. gulag russian builders are not communists. notice, they called us all and continue to call conscience, and you and any nation. you
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still conscience and still communists or not. this is conscience. here was the conscience, responsible for the archipelago, and it means such a country that it is necessary to do evil with it, it is best to destroy it, but since there were nuclear warheads here, and that’s all, that is, a country like saddam, fuck hussein, you won’t deal with it like that. hmm, therefore , mr. camaraderie already. deserves serves i don't like this type. life in the west has probably influenced you a lot, maybe even changed you as a person to some extent. you have become more tolerant or you have become even more rigid and closed. tolerant i don't think i obey
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a certain code of conduct unconditionally, but also in france one year of conduct in the united states is another here in russia the third. now, when i land here, i stand immediately. uh, a russian person. maybe it was not entirely possible to experience something like enlightenment, or as it is called illumination, in about the seventy-fifth seventy-sixth year, such as nietzsche experienced something similar in his time, there is also evidence of several, there is less to rewrite or it happened with religious people, too, once suddenly opened up to me. life in all its nakedness absolutely ruthless. i'm ashamed and maybe it was a witness of some personal failures of mine or something, but from this here is enlightenment or to uh or illumination. i
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came out as a very strong person. as a result , i was not afraid. this kick is such a shameless face of life and a cruel and senseless plus, but the opposite. uh. i suddenly awakened some innocent forces and some kind of inner energy. uh, eternal like this e, almost samurai calmness of spirits fatalism is so incredible, and so i live mikhail shemyakin in in his interview, he said that he had left. uh, france when to power. uh, taran's socialist government came. he said that it became impossible to live there, and he went to america. you made the return journey. tell me about your life in france. i moved to france and migrated to france from the united states following my books. my reason was extremely
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practical at that time in the united states , no one published me now, m-m , they print it in full, but then no one and i signed an agreement with a french publisher in 1979 and 1980 came, not intending to live in france nothing came. just save the book contract publisher. my bankrupt contract was invalid. i saved the book , other books were printed, and somewhere around 83 years. i realized that it’s more convenient for me to live in france, because all my activity has moved there, and e. well the first one is about 3 years old. i lived between france and , uh, new york, a lot of people in france don't like me. i have a lot of enemies, and you don't have to think that you don't have to think, no.

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