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remember the name of dizzy on obito to improve cerebral circulation, work of the brain, memory recovery and reduce dizziness on affect now i will not forget. still, many write from diaries or on the material of personal fate. and it seems to me that this is already some kind of move that has become obsolete, that this is the web that will open from the spider quite predictably. no, this is the first provocative questions. in general, as we know, a limited number of people are quite right. that's understandable. that we all play with those minutes that are given to us and a new note, we are not able to come up with. such a homophone, as linguists say with darkness, we play with darkness, that is, a plural word. here in the darkness that now surrounds our viewers the night. and we talk about the most important things, we play notes. yes, yes, so,

of course, yes, maybe it has already become such a common technique. we're always important, like somehow with you will do him. somehow you will somehow manage with him and play. well, not any sphere of my interests, in principle, throughout, probably, my whole life. i have one of my favorite books. this is the diary of maria bashkirtseva, and i read it when, for the first time , only in russia, this book was reprinted. hmm , this book was published in the ninth year, and i don’t know it. how many times have you read it. it was the shock of the announcers. and although the book was considered very scandalous for there is nothing to say. because maria's mother exhausted from there all points of view are controversial things that masha was somehow not very good at. hmm from our spoiled century, looking through the eyes of a modern person. well, this is an absolutely innocent diary, cute, touching, smart, talented girl is very romantic, very beautiful, very talented so early tragically passed

away, dear viewers. we are talking about this rebel maria bashkirtseva. i also think that she is not so much a rebel e as hmm a very sharp and sensitive person. well , here comes the middle of our conversation and a i will try to move on to our section, starting from your material. yeah, a novel every 100 years. i still think that something very important is captured here. a story that is not only about two specific people or one specific family or your family too, and not just the heroine's family. heroines, but also to the fate of the country, the fate of russia , because there we are talking about the last quarter of the 19th century. let's be honest, i don't think i was wrong. yes, so it would be right to say yes its the last quarter of the twentieth century and a lot of things are repeated not only in destinies , which, of course, grow up, lose

illusions, gain experience, this happens to all people, but some uh, repeated uh, dramatic events also happen to the country. and here is a combination of everyday details that are written out beautifully. no matter how much you ironically over the correct metaphors. here all the words are in the right places. and this big vision. we will try to see this now on a completely different material, and i will remind our viewers that in the middle of our conversations. we have an aha one of three, either we're talking about a poem, like today, or we're picking up an old book from my uh bookcase, or some familiar quote from classical literature. now we will talk about the poem by nikolai zabolotsky, which is called a passerby. this poem is very

famous. uh, for those who love nikolai zabolotsky, i consider him an absolutely brilliant poet and this poem simply describes the route from peredelkino station bypassing the cemetery to the town of writers. this is a well-known fact, but i will say it here. i anticipate my non- acting. ah, such a normal read. here the poet tells us about what we think, it is not often that we are somehow combined. forgive me, banality, material and spiritual consciousness of the spirit, does not have a material carrier, where is my i in the heart in the brain in the hands in this chair is not clear. yes, because in us to be present, the immortal soul, and from our body is riveted to e, everyday events, the word soul is repeated here. so many once. let's. i’ll try to clean this poem just in case, honestly i’ll take

a cheat sheet in my hand, because i can go astray, but still the passer-by nikolai zabolotsky is filled with mental anxiety in a three-piece soldier’s bag along the railway sleepers. at night , on foot too late , the penultimate train of the moon left for the nara station and shines over the roofs beyond the edges of the barn. getting up, turning, in the direction of the bridge. he enters the spring wilderness, where the pines, leaning towards gost, stand like a crowd of souls, here the pilot of the edge, alleys, rests among thieves and ribbons, and the dead propeller crowns his monument whiter, and in the dark chamber of the universe, the national this lithuania rises that

sudden, instant peace that pierces the soul. that wondrous peace before which, agitated and always in a hurry, the living human soul, with lowered gaze, and in the slight rustling of the kidneys and in the slow noise of the branches, the invisible young pilot talks to her about something, and the body wanders along the road, walking through thousands of troubles and his grief and anxieties run like dogs in the wake of an amazing thing a man and at the beginning wanders along the road at the end along the road only at the beginning of his troubles and sorrows seem spiritual, and at the end not bodily, because the eternal indestructible soul in him speaks with the soul of the buried dead pilot, the souls talk

about something else. this is an amazing switch from the material plane to the spiritual and spiritual plane, which only zabolotsky succeeds to some extent, it is given only by matveeva in this novel, because e here we are talking about two e hmm girls, e, whose names are it looks like we are the names e, xana and xenichka. and what is the point in this rhyme, that the youngest of xana gets them by reading someone else's, not someone else's diaries how it all works, indeed the name xenia is a foreigner. yes, i realized. yes , god, here, xenophobia. uh-huh visit stranger alien uh-huh and here are both heroines. they are truly strangers. they are strangers in their family. they are sometimes strangers to their own country. they are sometimes strangers to themselves. for me, the names are generally very important.

and by the way, nothing, by chance, not even the title of the book every 100 years, if you make an abbreviation, then there will be a name, patronymic and surname of the main character sergeevna sergeevna leskov is great. and i wanted, yes, that they were alexei and, firstly, my grandmother's name. any mikhailovna, in this case, i could not somehow change something here. it seemed to me that this name was true, it suited her very well, in general it was not customary to give the name xenia in those years in noble families , the dense emperor named his daughter xenia and the nobles began after him. rising up for him. well, in general, it was pure for centuries, for example, the name dima was only a diminutive broom. yes, there was almost no in the xix century was not very. i don't think it's popular as popular as, for example, people of my generation, because in my class, either six or seven, not a single

mitya studied for a single month. so yes, that is, it was important for me that the name was just that, and all the other rhymes. some of them were laid on purpose, and some i later saw for myself, or they even suggested to me, for example, the older heroine of xenia, who is a ksenichka. uh, when she is in switzerland . and here is the second part of the novel completely devoted? kings, yes, she is all afraid of the arrival of a comet that should destroy the earth, but about this comet is very comet and in the cabin they write about it in the newspapers that it flies all the time and soon nothing will be left of us. no, the end of the world is a disaster. yes, another ksenia tells her on a different scale, but the explosion at the sorting station at the sverdlovsk sorting station. this is a completely different story on a different scale, but everyone was also afraid and decided that even yes. i needed these rhymes in order to show that in fact, not so much and much is changing, that is, of course, the world is changing in the sense that it is becoming

more so, you know, terribly comfortable. now everything is very convenient, too absolute , that is, a world where a person forgets that he is mortal weak, of course, not omnipotent, yes, in fact, it doesn’t change that much anyway. why does literature show a person that he is still mortally weak? yes, i also really not so much not so much we have advanced in learning, nowhere we are the same people. we still do not know where we come from, where we are, our brain is also not completely. well, how people want to know what will happen to him after death, but the question always seemed to me more interesting. what happened to us before birth and here my thoughts turn out, because zabolotsky's poem had names about this soul amazed that you chose it? this is my soul, after all. we are not buddhists. no, no, no, no, no, not that we believe the transmigration of souls the eternal soul is indestructible, what was before where

how does this compare with my current needs? that is, you are absolutely indifferent to this. what irony is quite serious and many things. in fact , it is impossible to explain it is impossible to explain these strange coincidences that occur in you know, i very rarely write about myself. uh, readers are always interested. but this is what happened to you, in fact, you describe to yourself. well, that's what it looks like. if i wrote what really happened to me. no one would believe me, because my whole life is a series of coincidences. i would like to emphasize and say, that's what you need to expect from one matveeva why is it not written? because it's a secret. it's sacred, i don't want to expose it. and i still don’t really understand how this can be given some kind of literary form, but coincidence and surprising cases of some rhymes. i love the theme of twins very much, for example, and the fact that we often come across in life people who are similar either to us or to

some important people for us, this haunts all observant people. and i even wrote a whole collection of stories on this topic, because i write just such collections of the cycle, united by some idea. it seems to me that we don't know anything about doubles either, that is, literature is always like something, a complex double. even if it's not literally a coincidence, yes and sometimes it's who we hide the authors. i mean speak. no, this is me, this is him, and sometimes this is completely pure fiction, but yes, there is always some kind of second, third, fourth level here, the more complex the prose, the more these levels, the more interesting it is to dissect and open them. well. of course, literary critics or very, very gifted talented readers, who sometimes proofread what the writer did not even want

you to read, should probably do it. yes, uh, gifted readers in in a state of hmm, this is how to calculate and catch the writer by the tail of the correct text, plus the meaning of gogol nowhere says that his trilogy dead souls is what was supposed to reproduce the plan of dante e and the infernal orga- tory and paradiso from purgatory ryan that his friends came up with for him . those who helped him were not friends, but critics, literate readers and aksakov and about the floor grigoriev m. of course, belinsky, who fought with this now, what can we say, what is this sense? no, of course there is. despite the fact that gogol did not invent it. that is, the book this is such a self-selling, of course, the book was written when it was read, yes, and here we answer our question, which we posed a little higher. and why are books actually written so that they are read and re-read probably, and it is still desirable not to read one, but a little more and several generations, because there is a double and a reader in the offspring. yes. uh, how our word will respond, a double happens and

posthumous very often this is a very important story for some attentive readers, but again, if you're lucky, there is almost no irony in this book. well, there is, you know, in general, in principle, i have a peculiar sense of humor. well, not everyone, as it understands, may not have responded. i just, uh, want to know how you are. irony. now, isn't this a very non-ronic most ironic person. well, we live in a time when e without e. i don’t like russian grammatical errors, as pushkin said yes, as a non-ronic subtext, but it seems to be almost impossible to have a serious conversation. i just really like that in the books of hanna matvey you are in this book in particular. uh serious talk possible, even if there is irony and although i am tempted to ask what is there reduced, if there are so many hundreds

of pages in the book, but tell me here again i want to make such a cinematic gesture. only in our podcast. let them talk, let them read. you can find out what was not included in the book, she is actually matveeva, i wrote. i won't be like this for very long too long 10 years. i have been collecting material for quite some time. i had to visit all the places that i write, that is, the geography of the country is larger than switzerland and khabarovsk riga petersburg in general, the mass of some places where i had to be sure to be, here. then, in principle, i entered into this topic for a very long time, and then i could not get out of it, people who write great novels. they know this effect, that is, it is not difficult to start a book. there, in general, everyone can and it is very difficult to finish difficult to get out of this material. you begin to live in it, you feel comfortable in it. it's like watching the show you like so it never ends. and, well, sometimes tv shows don't really

almost never end, but the novel had to somehow leave the point. and when i did this, i realized that the book turned out to be such that the binding would not withstand it, and my publisher and i decided that we would still try to shorten it and it turned out what happened, but in fact we cut it very carefully and neither character has virtually no, well, storyline. i cut, but at least. it's a pity. you know, i actually tried so hard to be very careful. and i think that someday i will publish a director. version i have there is one too, they haunt me, you know, that's our conversation. i smoothly decided to end it on the note that you say, i am also sorry to end our conversation, because we were not able to talk about many things, both about new books and about your native ural, as such a place of power for modern literature, but i am sure that all this is yet to come. and

today i am very grateful to you that you spoke so wonderfully about your prose today. we thank anna matveeva for having a conversation with her in the podcast today. let they say, let me read, uh, i say goodbye, goodbye. and i say, as always, read with pleasure. with you podcast free program. i am maxim tronkov and we have absolutely unique guests . elena anatolyevna chaikovskaya, deeply respected by me and i am sure by all of you, good evening. good evening, glad to see you as the head coach of the russian national figure skating team in russian figure skating? do you

know that i am the head coach of the national team for the third time in the entire history of my coaching work? i have now taken a very strong national team. there were times when it was worse. now i have in my hands very strong very interesting in terms of the composition of the national team. and i, uh, i hope that how would they continue to go and show. what is our russian figure skating. and what is the strength of our national team strength in ingenuity strength in ideas? the strength is in the discovery, because so many elements so many fit into the programs were created here. russia has always been remarkable for its surprisingly ingenious ideas, musically

beautiful production. here in this, our strength, it remains and what is the work of the head coach of the russian figure skating team, because after all we are an individual sport, we each have our own personal coach, coaching staff, and so on, but the head coach. we do not have a hockey team that is assembled for the world championship and a head coach is appointed. our head coach looks after all the athletes who are currently a member of the national team. and my task is hmm to help see, and somewhere to suggest if people want to hear it, and somewhere to change a little direction to say that if you would do this then, probably, it would be more weighty and more advantageous. then all the same, my task is to create. the most important thing for me is that when he trains, the coach is obliged to create this atmosphere in which you always want to come. we have a tough sport. and when

everyone says, how beautiful you are a cat, and these are easily in light dresses with flowers, then no. we have a very hard job, and so that this hard work does not turn into such a terrible job, when you don’t want to go there, the task of all coaches and me especially all the same to create an atmosphere. uh, interest in discovering new elements. they got it. yes, i succeeded and when it happens to an athlete. he wants to move forward. and this is the creation of a common interest. and most importantly, athletes should trust me , they should trust their coaches that we will never betray them. that we will never do something that would harm them, they should know that we are for them, that these are our children, that this is our creativity, that they

with us, and we are with him, this is the head coach. well , you said you look after all the athletes, but the coaches. well, i mean coaches, of course, with coaches. i talk to a lot of people. i myself drive up to the training and look, and whoever needs it consults, who doesn’t need it, for god’s sake it’s very good and everything is going well. fine. i rejoice in you most of all in general, the task is to create the conditions and my federation for our sport. it thundered the way it always thundered now the situation is difficult we do not enter the international arena well, what do we have in it this period was the great russian grand prix now we are waiting for the junior grand prix, then grants and adults. that is, we are on the program. everything is the same as we had in those years when we were admitted to the competition

in general. the task of the federation is to preserve the national team in the amazing form in which it was . this is what we must understand very clearly and try to do this. that is, you believe that the prevailing conditions. uh, enough of what has been done for our sport, more than that, we 're on schedule. we haven't changed anything. i am like trainer. uh, i watch all the competitions. i look at the number of starts. i look at the number of trainings, what we are preparing for. our schedule is practically the same as it was all these years of the previous decades. we have not changed anything, on the contrary, we are also adding some new jumping competitions. as you remember, you were in st. petersburg. now , there will probably be free programs. that is, we are still creating and directing the international soviet society to the fact that this sport should be developed in some kind of

government, as in general, the idea of ​​this tournament exemplary numbers. well, it’s not for me to explain to you that after the competition everyone skates what they can, but to create special programs. now they will have to coach their choreographer. we ourselves are an athlete to think, after all , the task of a coach, and to choose such music and such a syllable on the ice text that would reveal the maximum qualities of an athlete. don't just let's do it there. this is the revelation of individuality. that's when it all coincides, when the music your athlete feels it, when the elements are yours. you are a winner the same thing will now be in the demonstration numbers. don’t just let ’s dance something there, how can you surprise me, i always told my athletes and say now it’s ours

to come up with every year, how you can win something you can surprise and show at their performances. you yourself are god returning to sports, and we are ahead of the rest in pair skating and women's single skating, but men and dances. to put it mildly, we are a little behind. i disagree, dancing. we don’t have it at all. we had wonderful dances. now we now we yes, we're a little bit on i don't want to say lost, we now know how whole, a step. here they are gone. and now we will have to go up and have a few couples. again, you need to come up with their face to reveal their individuality to find some kind of new image. if you like, in general, our entire dance art was famous for the fact that we set the tone for the development of world dances. now

the french have pushed us back for a while. with their religion, with their uh, some new plastic hmm types of the french, there were still americans. it's all the same blanket, so now we must again return to our domination, and you can return the fact that you are even a new incentive a new direction. this is what needs to be done. this is the head coach, we also have reserves. couples that would lead the world of dance art, so the corridor is open, let's go,

let's go back to the men's singles, because 20 years have passed, and we are still talking about the confrontation of the good. and plushenko well, we will always talk about the state of two amazing athletes, and what are we talking about the championship peace. no, good question. why do we have a world championship, because the world champion has not yet been born. here he should be the world champion, he needs to be seen, he needs to be discovered. if mishin revealed plushenko from a little boy the same thing, glared at her no one would have expected it to turn out. this is what tanya understood his essence. and on this i created this bomb and worked only for him, but his individuality. there should be a coach who will find an athlete for himself and

we will disperse. no, the coach must show to show the best qualities of individuality, here i am and at the same time to cover up a little, because each athlete has some who have more who have fewer flaws, so our task is to close something, and leave only this one symbol. championships and everything else will be in the junior team or not? and i see very well, i follow them very well, i won’t name them, because someone will be offended again, but you are wrong about men, there are good men. you have already said that for the sport of high achievements, we are doing quite a lot even in this difficult time, but for children's sports a lot of athletes come. here thanks. projects that started there

10-12 years ago or the ice age, many other recorders that is, the tackle did not grow in the olympic yes, and i am of the same opinion that tackles are good earnings for coaches. and the task of the coach in serious time is to be in time at the time allotted to give everything that the athlete should receive

and still interest him. i am to all young coaches. now i’m saying, please don’t discourage children from skating. don't yell put no obstacles, on the contrary, support him. whisk. oh, it turned out oh , it went, that it got to the music, in general, everything is interesting then with a gingerbread. but it's not gingerbread. it is he who feels himself like a gingerbread, not what i give him, he himself. i have a task for him to feel like a person to whom something has happened, then it will be gingerbread. no, it doesn't work when he's on his own. that's a friend, and that's it. even the eyes are different. i look, my eyes are burning. in general, i'm looking for athletes who had my eyes on fire. are you following the european championship now? for example, the last one at the world cup. and how can i not follow, but what kind of question do i have

to ask you then let's just say the level, well, without us, figure skating has not collapsed very much , the world has collapsed. here is the absence, firstly, the absence of a struggle, then, then, the absence of the most serious women's programs, the absence of our very interesting ones. in pairs in pair skating, what are these pairs? lord, house, my god, what is it, so i looked, i couldn’t watch all the women. i have such children at the rink 12 years old, they ride much better, yes, and so i don't know what he thinks of himself, but with yu international soviet skaters. so i wanted to say, who benefits from it exactly, they lost all the money, but i just called from japan, they had the japanese championship and if they collect somewhere up to 14-15.000 always. well, the truth was honey was in

this one, now they have collected six. and sponsors began to turn their heads to say that this is actually not for that. they sponsored all this here, so i think that soon they will grab their heads and realize that without us it's not the same, and then i it was interesting for the audience. god forbid there was, since maxim, well, you yourself understand that if it’s not interesting to watch, who will go who will buy a ticket, because there was always a struggle and people saw it it is a sport of the highest achievements. yes, no one allows themselves. that's how to ride in europe now, there's somewhere in the fourth fifth, probably, well, to god well, it's indecent even, but the european championship is here in recent years. here, uh, it was a fight between three russian single skaters of three russian couples. in europe, it's probably not very interesting to watch how

the russians hold the next russian championship . let them pull themselves up. who is to blame that they can't do it. why? i say that we always asked tom in all kinds, because we were reaching for ourselves, but america held on with japan, someone else jumped out. i understand that the easiest way is to push us back in all forms, so as not to get in the way. but here we move further, for those who are interested. now there is a lot of discussion about our return to the world arenas and what conditions do you consider? acceptable none i consider unacceptable none, so that they don't put questions to me, don't put boundaries on me. you will only come out when you are there something. sign something else without a flag without anything. what is it. what is it? why? who has the right to tell us what to do? well , i agree, as if, if you go under