he gives her some paper stating that this house is hers and exactly the same scene was played by nina nikolaevna because she brought green to this house. and only when he said it was magical. she said that the house is now theirs and , as far as i remember, it is in this house, then, as a result, the green museum is still in the old one. as far as i know, it also exists. here belyaev also had a romantic story. he also gravitated towards beautiful femme fatale, but in the end he also realized that the writer needed another, such as a companion, the first companion. as far as i remember, i left him, just for the reason that a had a severe back pain, and she said that i wanted to live, and not look after a disabled person. and that's probably. it was such a first shock in his life in general, i would like to add the most interesting thing, and about, well, a little younger than the two of us. hello olga and belyaev

he jumped from the roofs of various buildings so he showed a craving for science even then ah. he believed that he he believed that he would defeat both gravity and really take off, then there is, here is a romantic man from the very first days. that is, he was limiting himself to some amazing wings, and the designs even jumped once. but the question is that after all, he injured his spine for the third time, which he then said, until, finally, he realized that it was impossible, he was no longer convinced. and this one was lucky twice, he gets this injury. then she said together with deberculosis. yes, so he also found a wonderful life partner. it's just that there, unfortunately, there is also a tragic story, because his wife and daughter were captured by germans and in general, at first they were in captivity, then,

when they returned, uh, to soviet russia, they ended up in a camp. well, in general, life was very difficult . and not only for writers, but for their families, nina nikolaevna green also had problems after the death of her dear husband. she worked in a printing house when the germans occupied the crimea and when this situation was already over. uh, the villagers, they started it. well, here's the poison that she was in a collaboration collaboration worked in a printing house. well, that is, this is the same moment, but you don’t explain to people that you really can’t get anywhere, but this here, by the way, is the plot. pay attention to how you writers intertwine life and work, because the same here, eh, but salt. incidentally, this name came up with clay. this is the character salt. she remained so romantic and a star of literature that

only do not call from sweets to factories the super-commercial name that green came up with , uh, this name does not exist. this is a figment of his imagination. in general, this is assol ah. she was ridiculed in the village. that's just where she lived by the sea and the same story, then passes after his death. nina nikolaevna yes, she is subjected to ridicule and some kind of persecution of the inhabitants, but this non-native place where she lives there and accidentally brought life, but nevertheless. that 's where the grain museum remained in this old crimea, and in general, this place is already associated with it. here is belyaev, who died in the village of pushkino near leningrad, then there was the children's village. yes, there he has a completely terrible story, of course, the city of pushkin is obtained by the germans in forty-second. ah, at belyaevo and it turns out there was no food at all, no water and no

heating. i mean, he just lay there. in the four walls, what is called yes died of hunger and cold, so we know that writers are usually very complex biographies of two writers. just. yes, just everyone, but removed die. yes , they simply removed their biographies. these are the most difficult, probably, these are the fates that i wanted to say to scopism. still , back to our main topic. well , i don’t know about you, but i still have a parallel, and there is between a special person and an ichthyander, these are and here are two characters who hmm whose society does not accept does not understand. a. well, when evil people are people, let's say yes, they see what he can do. uh, being under water for a long time, what to do with him immediately makes him look for, pearls mmm. and this is a completely romantic young man who does not understand life, does not know that such

people exist at all. yes, they know that real values ​​exist, well, assol is clear that the girl is not of this world, as she was portrayed in the dreamer, and she is also in her city. e. does not enjoy, shall we say, popularity and respect. and this, too, in a sense, can be called escapism, because this is forced nonscopism, that is, life is arranged in such a way that if you don’t want to fit in or you can’t fit in, into this machine that works and works year after year, and catches up with money there. eh, some kind of happiness invented did not invent. everyone has their own way, be kind, then be patient, uh. this is what ostrogism is and to be, but to look for such a pist who, well, people have decided for you that you will be an outcast? well, by the way,

will it be relevant today? is it possible now e to say that right now there is some kind of trend of iscapism in literature or in what way it can be expressed today, after all, we are talking, oh, but you can go to this topic through a question to olga to aspiring actress ol please tell me immersion in a role can be escapism. whether an actor can get into a role in order to get away from the real self is actually a tricky question, because all actors are still immersed in a role in different ways. yes , many load themselves with work to get away from reality, but still quite a few people do it like you do. tell me how you 're doing. i love to work very much. yes, you can say that to some extent i am engaged in escapism, because i burden myself with work in order to get away, er, from reality, to

forget about school, about some teenagers there. uh, thought problems and so on and so forth, but i can't say that all actors do this because immersing themselves in the role. you are more yours. uh, you take your experience and build it into the role, and don't go into the role, forgetting all your life. have you seen such a dance of the vertinskaya gutiera dance in e. amphibious man. yes, olya also had a dance in the film. she did it with a choreographer and starred. so tell me, and when you saw this dance by vertinskaya, you showed that this is a great acting job, because it seems to me that you are the dance. he is simply magnificent, i absolutely liked this dance very much, because my emotions of feeling are also expressed in this dance. this is the dance of man. in

mine, phoebe shows love relationships and their uh, and it's actually very big the work done, acting, of course, yes, this is a wonderful acting job, and it seems to me that until now vertinskaya is most popular because of this role. although she is a great actress in other roles. but somehow people remember it. yes, most of all, right. yes, it’s even a pity that they didn’t succeed, at the end, moreover, the ending of the film and the ending of the text of the work, but the film differs a little , the film ends with the fact that a ichthyander. it just goes into the wave and floats away, and the text of the work says more about that the gutiers are with a journalist, but they create, well, a couple. it seems to me that it was also necessary to show this in the film, because there is no hint of such a gestalt, right? yes , he blesses, uh, their chandra blesses her

to marry this journalist, says he loves you or sometime there it's so interesting, that's how the picture is made. and by the way, one of the main escopists in all the works is on uh, doctor, just here, uh, who inserted the ichthyander. lung young shark yes, salvator , that’s generally ubilyaeva - it sounds very serious, can there be a head, but live the head separate from the bodies, and here is the head although speaking and thinking, and this person or not. here one head can be a man or not ethical questions, that is, uh, did he hardly put them before himself at that time? of course , it was possible somehow, at that time it was impossible, but he foresaw these scientific postcards alone. here is a large such large part of escopism. but the science fiction writers specifically, that they, well, not only did they give us a work, they also looked into the future and made it convincingly

amazing somehow, maybe they influenced, because i know that in the programs i announce exactly, for example, i wrote to the newspaper in the magazine where belyaev was published that this man thinks his scientific work is amazing, that is. the scientific community added no calculations there, because this is not a matter of fiction, but in fact it was, of course, all this was. and here's escapism, as you said, roma, well, that's olya said. it seems to me that we have come to the conclusion that escapism can be productive or destructive, and we are talking about what even olya talked about the fact that an actor, maybe, yes, how to run away into a role, or maybe use her experience for development. it seems to me that we are now talking about igrin and pilyaev. they were very productive scopists , their work is very diverse, therefore they have different works. well, let's just say

those that remained, er, in culture. eh, those works that have a film adaptation. they all, uh, well, let's just say, helped us too, really, even if escapism helped us become better, even if there is, but in their works everything is just like that. some characters that reflect the evil side, yes, the negative side, anyway they are somehow cute, that is, it is clear that the writer loves them, he describes them. so here you can see his love for them, including here. e, what yes, in general, in general, we didn’t discuss here, well, we won’t discuss it. i'll just touch briefly, and there is such a work. one of my favorites from green's beauty. here it is such a rather strange, bewitching mystical, and it is also there. uh, such a big dark negative background. but with what love all this is described you get out of this story you take out of it only well

, only light, but i would also like to talk about olya with you about what they want today. yes, i want the same topic, that is, this surge. these films are scarlet sailors of the sixties, that is, the sixties during the thaw became very. klyarno, here is a romantic russian fiction of the twenties, both of these authors shot. yes, it was relevant. actually develop from now on. i think that now the same moment, olya told me that it would be nice today, but to look at these images already in modern films. yes, that would be very interesting. if all these films were re-shot again, it would be interesting for the old generation to watch it and for teenagers, because by comparing a picture you always learn more than just. watching one movie. yes , i believe that our podcast should inspire e -creators to create a new

adaptation of these immortal works, and russian romantic fiction is immortal. i think we'll all go to the cinema together. a free program podcast with you tonight. i am maxim tronkov and my guest today is the legendary soviet figure skater, the legendary russian coach elena germanovna vodorezova. good evening maxim for you, as well as for me and for, probably, for many of our colleagues. eh, life is divided into two parts. this is sports and coaching, which one has the most weight for you when they start asking me about, uh , my activities in sports. i can’t even tell you what years i won something or what medals i have in what year i have this

completely completely stuart, because, well, somehow my brain programmed it like that, that for some reason it's all erased from me. and when i'm being interviewed. about my activities in sports for me, it’s somehow very difficult to remember everything, therefore, probably, of course, more than what is happening today. now i will help you remember a little, because i was just preparing a little for this interview and i know your sports career, because it really was great. you are the youngest soviet athlete, which has ever taken part in the olympic games in the history of soviet sports. it was 76 years old. you were only 12 years old. yes, now i'm just training such children on them. sometimes i look, i think, that's how they would go to the olympic games now. it would probably be impossible. and then, uh, well,

the bug took me and cooked me for a whole year. i didn’t speak anywhere, and a year later a commission came, so to speak, then, yes, from the federation, he showed me and, uh, they gave everything. good. that's okay, even if it's so small.

yes, and who did you pick up? natalyanchuk? we lived together. so, in general, we are so good with her and then on to all competitions. basically, there wasn’t a vein, but it was some kind of hazing or you were treated very much. well , probably due to the fact that i was really small. uh, how very well i was treated, and i don't remember such a thing to have someone right here. do you remember what your mother told you when she escorted you to the olympic games on the first, i don’t remember. my parents are very modest and they were very calm about everything, so, probably, i i was very calm about everything that happened. it didn’t work out perfectly. that is, i didn’t have any excitement at all, but

wait, you returned from the olympic games already a real star. that is, the entire union already knew, you realized on the street how to deal with this. i am inclined to think about this too, that this is upbringing and due to the fact that my family is very calm and modest to success. and even the fact that even later, when i had athletes performing there. my mother sometimes even the last to find out what i have there happens, yes, in my life, because all this is very calmly perceived well. well done. come on, it's not like that. you mother perceives today. you won three more medals at the european championships and a medal at the world championships. and you were the first to do this in soviet figure skating, but none of the medals were gold. what got in the way? what do you think, the young age is at first specific, because

indeed, it can be good jumping, but not very good skating. and that was a reason, like now, most likely u don't put me somewhere high. and then, in general, they said, even at the first olympics when i went. here the federations told me what they said , they asked why it was so far, it seems like i made a splash there at the very first olympics why so far? because you have the first dances, because you have the first pairs of men , everything is on the pedestal, our turn will wait a little. as now, but then you amazed everyone, as you already said with technical complexity, and you do not simultaneously conduct what is now, in principle, later. well, in general, i think innovation. it always noticeable and always discussed and therefore always interesting and really beetle. in general, he overtook many generations. and the fact that sometimes

i now meet my performances there and i see what i see, i see what i did it does. now it’s definitely a special program, yes, which is for children, we are just starting to raise children in this special industry, and then i already did all these elements, that is, he tried it all on me, so, of course, this is the genius, first of all, of the coach in this and, accordingly , now brilliant coach. but i found one training camp to be stanislav, the alekseevich summer beetle. yeah, uh, down south and at his favorite base. unfortunately, he passed away the next year, but i've been proud all my life that i still trained with him. and this, well, it was just very hard hard. yes, it is difficult, and then i saw how you work and i became friends with many of your athletes. ah, you don't

use that one, do you? still, they told you something that i'm not like that, it seems to me that it doesn't matter even worse here are the betas. this is a collection that we hated to ride because he loved spearfishing very much. and we dragged such stones. yes, probably, he also did this because of a large number of throws at that time he swam under water, when he swam under water, we sat down and waited for him to swim up as soon as the tube appeared from the water. we mean pretended to throw these stones. these are the moments we have anyway yes yes yes somewhere we have freebies. it was very difficult for us and we had crosses on stones and really me there we were little girls. fine? there were adults. i'm with greenhouses all. and i trained and there were moments when

there was such a storm. and we ran right along the coast over the stones, and we could generally fly off anywhere, and the guys just managed to catch us, including me. that's how we were friendly from such difficulties. here he is, the sport has changed, and we live with you in another country, so every year figure skating changes anyway and now there is no point in doing it, because there are many others technology is a lot of professionals who are more professional. this is what soviet children do and now our modern russian children do the intensity of training. uh, the number of hours. there is some difference, too , you can not compare we had, if you know what such obligatory figures are, yes, which, for example, i hated with all my heart. and we started from 7:00 in the morning to 9:00 in the morning, and from 9:15 to 11:00 we already skated a free program. yes, that is, this is an hour you only ride in the morning and 4 hours. you can do it in the evening

it is impossible to compare. even now i can’t imagine how this can be sustained, and plus the fp also has some kind of choreography , we definitely had a wonderful choreographer from the moiseev ensemble. he just recently had open lessons. all the management came to us, watched these open lessons. we just say the initial stage of the moiseev ensemble, so everything was very tough and professional and incomparable. i think now, maybe, the children would not stand it like that, that is, we are a generation of freeloaders, well, it’s simpler, honestly, simpler what then is the reason for the modern generation, that the bar has already been raised so much for all these quadruple jumps? less again, uh back to the fact that the coach is to blame, yes, who is ahead of his time and trying to be the best of it. a coach who wants to be first

and accordingly he does everything and overtakes his time. and what motivated you , soviet athletes, and what motivates you now from another century, well, in fact, but i ’m sure. well, what motivated you, you know? eh, i was remembering from me, too, somehow was asked recently. i liked it. first of all. i liked it very much. even when asked, i don't like anything. go figure skating there. i did not understand this question at all, of course, i liked it. we continue to communicate with you with an outstanding athlete with a great coach elena german and you need to train every day twice a day and almost the whole day. yes , it’s not for you to explain to me, and who can withstand it, although you were also not an easy athlete and you didn’t become champions at all . we tell you that we have found you've never

trained me, but you're very emotional, it's like figure skating, emotional at work - this is one thing when you have to overcome. here is the physical. yes, there are a large number of hours, that is, for you , too, it was not always. well, you endured endured, and then for the whole ivanovo. well, that's okay. it's a sport. correctly you speak simple with champions, not in general. i don’t know who such prastas are, probably, who just came together, well, as a rule, complex athletes. they are always champions. let's talk about your native, and for me , too, not someone else's club cska and it has always been the best school. but if i don’t even know how to say in the union, but in moscow it’s definitely in the union lately, yes, a and lately in moscow, yes, that is, everyone dreamed of getting into cska uh, when i played for cska i

went out to russia and cska said i was proud of it. yes, now you feel that the athletes, perhaps less somehow it is scattered, that there are so many schools, that there are fewer for you now, even the enrollment is not as large as before. if we have queues were on the street to sign up with us, that is, now there is no such thing, then i asked others about others. like like the same. in this connection, due to the fact that a lot of private schools of a private school are located near the house and, accordingly, it is logical for parents to always take their child away. where it is nearby and start just with pleasure , then when the coach advises and there the parents see the prospect of their children. naturally, they then lead professional clubs, but if in soviet times they went to schools, they were looking for talented children, yes, invited to the section by coaches, including, well, this is in other sports, now

it may be a coach worth paying attention to private schools and finding. maybe there are some talented children there, but a private school, they still come to those coaches themselves, uh, who, as parents, they are now all this is available, all this sees, who is now better at cska news for the other end of moscow if possible at home in a residential area sad, of course, when it's all nearby. it starts like this from the beginning. naturally, when you already know your parents very well. now everything is sorted out. this is a separate topic for conversation, then they begin to delve into figure skating. here is the seething life, and they themselves determine who is better to hit. yes, therefore, everything now depends more on the parents, than on the coaches and now the parents choose they are the coaches. and how do you feel about this, that parents play such a serious role, that is, they are managers and

coaches and parents and doctors and everything in the world. it's rather positive none. i, of course, negative. if we really talk about professional sports, then, of course, i have a negative attitude, because, let's just say, we don't tell them about their professions. yes, there parents work as translators or doctors there? we do not tell them about their profession. why are they telling us? how to work? this is a bit wild for me. that is, i think, as if you brought your daughter to the coach of your son, or do you trust or do you not trust? unfortunately, and you yourself know that there are a lot of good children disappears only due to the fact that zombie parents are the worst thing, because and even sometimes you don’t take such a child, because you already know its the end.

yes, this story, because it delves into and this is mom’s or dad’s ambitions and wants more mom or dad and a child of 15, as a rule, they don’t finish, because it’s impossible to endure, and in soviet times there was such a thing here. in soviet times, it was not, because, firstly, our parents all worked , they brought me, as for example, if you take my the case was brought by 7:00 in the morning and there at 6:00 at 7:00 in the evening they took away the work schedule of my mom and dad. now parents, they practically give their lives, dedicate their lives and therefore demand from their children due to the fact that i have invested so much in you, respectively, you have to give it so much earlier. so you came from the 1976 olympiad, that you got the state from the federation at that time, i, by the age of 15 , by the age of sixteen, probably already had an apartment and a car. that is, comparable to earnings. now i have earned more than my parents did not make a work book. that is

, there were some exceptions. yes, it seems to me that even now it’s more difficult to remember some salary things, i remember, i think 250 and 300, in my opinion, some 400 were big for me before.