[000:00:00;00] that is, why do i need these non-state pension funds, when i can, but i would save up in a capsule under a mattress in a jar called a three-liter bank and in a bank in a bank called an ordinary bank for deducting a tax deduction there, what else and when you reach retirement age you can choose, uh, the option of receiving a lifetime pension and theoretically. can you get more than what you have saved? uh-huh i mean, if you withdraw money from a bank account, yes, yes, that's how much you withdraw, and here at the onset of retirement age. if you live longer than expected, yes, age is laid down. if you live longer do want to live longer do not calculate the age to live those and monthly. you receive an additional here is your contractual pension. yes, they used all this, you will still continue to pay this amount. yes. but tell me, please,

there is no such additional payment for the experience, that is, if i survived the experience, mish there is nothing already. you can see as much as you want, no, you can't, because we even now have compulsory pension insurance. uh, retired citizens who have reached the age of eight. they get double guaranteed. yes , the insurance part, uh 7 775. no, i asked that i do not need to pay anything extra. i will not be paid myself. you don't have to pay for what i've been through. it was such a joke, you know, i just want to clarify, yes, but the situation is so double, that is, there are seven times the basic part of the insurance. let's start with this insurance pension. it consists of two parts. fixed part yes fixed uh, what is it called and plus no and plus here is the insurance just part of the insurance payment, from

which well fixed it is the same for everyone, yul can i say. look, it depends on your salary citizens. calculate the formula for your pension. so, dear touches. yes, yes, i can finish. yes, finished. uh, in general, what lyudmila said , uh, she correctly said that it is valid from the age of 80. your insurance pension will increase, but i just want to add a little lyudmila. let 's put it this way, what she made clear to us, uh, the fixed part of the pension will increase, first of all. that is, this is a fixed series there and a half thousand and three times 7.775.000 twice. yes, almost 15 is just a formula for calculating a pension, what did everyone understand? yes, here is your insurance pension. it's your uh, guaranteed fixed part. do not depend on your salary, yes, plus this

number of uh points is the cost of a retirement ball. yes, this is already the full amount of the insurance pension, that is, this insurance pension includes what you earn and the guaranteed part is the fixed part that is paid to absolutely all pensioners. actually. the most important thesis. yes, he is always the only one. uh salvation, drowning i do by the hands of the drowning themselves, that is, you need to think about yourself, you know, like here, again, resorting to the great russian people on god i hope and we don’t mess up on state action, but funded pension. the sooner the better the question. you know how rubric. and what about them, that is, i would like to talk to them about it there in the west. yes, there in america in europe it is clear that everything is very different. well, let's say there in the top 10 economies of the world there are some, uh, examples where the state is there, well, i don't know, there in that in japan there are a lot of old men yes, there in china how does the state care there, who does it act as? what are the percentages there?

yes, we will not talk about it for a long time. the fact is that their pension, as a rule, consists of at least three sources. the first source of the state is 30% yes, 30 40, yes, 20% at least in their pensions, or there 15-20 are corporate pension programs, about which we have already talked a little today, when pensions are provided not only at the expense of the state, but also at the expense of participation work by givers. we have enough on the ear and widely. applicable. and medicine yes, medical insurance, but here everything should be paid. i think we hope we live like this when the company offers, uh, and that's very, but in the west it's the standard social thing, they work very well, and the unions. yes third voluntary investment. i correctly read 320 and 50 60% of at least my pension. yes listen well , that is, it turns out that we are again returning to

square one, that retirement is, and not scary. this is b. not without these words. even these are there to survive and so on. this is actually our future, and in order for this future to be happy to think, it is needed now. from the first salary, i would say, yes, on this positive note, we will, uh, finish. thank you very much. thank you julia thank you lyudmila thank you for the very constructive content of the conversation. thank you. thank you . last time we had such a heartfelt conversation and discussed the past and the present . there are many questions about space. it is very interesting for me to listen to you all the time, and i think today we can

talk and reveal even more questions that interest you. i may be interested in something from my space flight experience such an opportunity. you definitely had firecrackers, which, uh , maybe not many people know, uh, was a real emergency. it was a fire at a station in space. this is the only one, thank you. god for

now. here, you can tell me something about him. by the way, it happened right on the holiday, too. we have after the first well new year the next holiday, what we have two christmas christmas yes and then defender of the fatherland day two more colonels flew with you. well, in principle, all the defenders of the fatherland are people and yes, two military men. that evening they gathered at the table to say that everything is fine. here we wished to rest. good night and we're sitting having a good time with all this crew. they send me to light the oxygen bomb. this is where oxygen comes from, the concept of igniting is so purely conditional, that is

, it was necessary to start it, well, to beat the capsule, in principle, there ’s nothing there, just take it and put it in that pipe and start this process. they entrusted it to me or sent me as an inexperienced, as yet a person. i flew to the neighboring module. these operations were carried out and i felt that oxygen had already gone there. and i think, now i need to return, i turn around, i'm going to fly away and i hear some kind of crackling. i stop, turn around, look at this installation and see such a picture. uh, well, this is the pipe in which they put it. an oxygen bomb, and on top it is covered with a filter, and this filter burns out, and uh is remembered directly in my head. here comes the teacher's voice who said that this filter is made of

non-combustible fabric, it burns and then all this is like a small volcano. so it works more more sparkle appeared on it. they burned this fabric there and then the flame started . i remember that i wasn’t scared, but i was shocked. and there was a question in my head all the time. why is lit not a question? what to do why is it just a question of what to do? i don't know the minimum to do something. so i then look at my hands began to do what they needed, they stretched there. the fan had to be turned off. well, here, i pressed a button on the remote control, there i turned off this fan. i think everything is correct. but why does it burn then it says, i wanted the first thing to me that's when the flame went there. here i am after shutdown. i think i need

to get this burning object, then i thought, no, this is hot. i take a fire extinguisher. uh-huh , i think i need to turn it on. it turns on. like this. why does it burn then i thought it was necessary to warn? i turn to him. there they are enlightenment. and i think if i now shouted a fire, they will be frightened? that's why i'm like this these are the men, the fire 00 quietly said, but i started to extinguish, i began to extinguish, i am still in a state of shock. well, the thought was that it was on fire here, and next to it was the casing of the station . there were some 3-5 millimeters of aluminum that would burn out, not only, god forbid, there was no sense

, there was no thought. i did it. i tilted this thing towards me and pushed it away until it was all burned out, the pipe is the side. well, it's all about the question. why is it burning? when you went there, it was the sensors that worked, the firemen of this smoke alarm, it worked. ugh she's so far the siren went off on its own. this is how my shock goes. and i already have a clear idea, i look at the guys, i see how they turn. so their eyes open and a thought in their head. now they have a shock. valera korzun bursts into the carcass in shorts, takes a fire extinguisher from me and shouts

fire extinguishers to everyone. and everyone scatters in modules. he starts looking for a fire extinguisher. i also flew to look for a fire extinguisher from that moment. i began to get some kind of pleasure from what i watch, i see how the crew is demon fuss, without any cries. save yourself there, who can work. he said the fire extinguishers are all to the fire extinguisher. just as it was worked out on the ground during training. he yells there to put on. the picture itself

i'm flying up. the picture is such a gray gray background the whole module is in smoke, but valera, as it were, against this background, he is hanging in the air with a fire extinguisher . here is the jet. and there crimson is such a bright bright crimson color, and it illuminates everything. this whole gray background is illuminating the front of it. and so an association immediately arose there, as if metallurg mrtnovskaya oven. now he will pierce this flap there so that the metal goes. here is one to one. this happened to me, then they put it out, no matter how well it all went, but you can’t ventilate the station any further than the problems with the atmosphere. there so continued the anti-wear

here for the first time that we gathered there while still wearing gas masks. uh, so valera gets in touch, says, extinguished. well, he asks. can we take off the gas masks? yeah, the fact that there was only one question, what to him, what we will breathe, in principle, it’s not scary that we saw what was burning, we didn’t know what the substance burned, because, in principle, we have what we have. well, first of all, we had this stainless steel checker body on fire. this is all the aluminum, equipment for this installation that was. well, and most importantly, there was a substance that, in a normal reaction , gives out oxygen. and when burning, what will it be with an open fire? and at a temperature of 1.200 °, well, yes. uh, can we breathe these products or not? earth said nothing

1:00 am some night gone. naturally, there are no specialists. well, well, i couldn't do anything we were told that they would receive all the information they could get only in the morning. that's when the valeras left, here we are. we have these for 2 hours and all the men are behind me. he does a heroic deed, and there were no smiles, nothing on earth. we can go. how to laugh there about thinking about it, but it’s not clear what to do with it later. if god forbid, here are the guys. look, here he is, he constantly told us that

i feel normal, i feel. yes, everything is fine there, then we began to take off gas masks. we have an american there jerry linger was a doctor. valera told him that's how you organize a medical center. you look at everyone and tell everyone to come to him in turn. here, well, and jerry already felt himself to be the right person for the doctor. well, there was such a fire in general. this whole flight of yours is very full of such events, about which we usually talk about, on which we train, it has a regular situation, but which only your flight took place. and i recently spoke, uh, screen director shipenko, with whom we participated in the same challenge project. e, which i've already shot a film about the disaster, but it's a little inflated, of course, especially about the fire, which didn't exist. it's just the salyut seven station. well, we even smile. but there is

a real story, a real flight, where, in addition to the fire, marking also came. uh, because the cargo ship collided with the station, it was all real and i told him. this is going to be a real blockbuster. it will all be true. here you look in this direction. chat with people. maybe they will be interested in making a film, so i say, well, there was a depressurization. it's also a dangerous thing. was. when i flew into space , i asked this neatly. how many astronauts do i have to wait for regular situations there, how many of them do you actually have. it's in our training. there are five of them on the ticket and that's it, how would it be all or not all? and there sounded such saying, well, the station is new. inside will be in six months. well, maybe four , well, a maximum of five, they said so, and when we arrived at

the station, we already had three of them , the first thing was good. the antenna is not fully open. well, they told us that it was dangerous, what she told me. well , she no longer participates in the control loop. uh, at night, there was some kind of malfunction on the ship there, some device went out of order. well, there was a backup device. so i bent my second finger. when we went to dock , we had it in automatic mode, like regular ones. to the station. there, the meter probably remained when the accident stopped the ship . yes, there vasily took these control knobs into his own hands. i'm still there with trembling hands

buttons pressed. there he switched these circuits docked. three i think the flight is just starting half a year three said, well, you know, there will be no more there will be no fire there was the fourth non-normal situation 2 weeks after the start after the fire vasily told me, you know, he says, this is not a staffing was very serious. she pulls on two and i thought everything. life will be like heaven passed, a maximum of five said, i'm used to weightlessness. i am already rejoicing. it was such a powerful rise. the system refused, the other system failed all together. they became refuse there with us and carbon dioxide rose there. uh, the temperature in one place was rising. we had a disgraceful fall in another place, setelem grilled vasilyevich there,

too, his problems were a cargo ship. we crashed. this is such an emergency situation when it crashes and the pressure starts to drop, and you feel the pressure drop, and the leak was strong. yes, she is there, well, we had about half an hour in reserve, maybe 30 or 28 minutes something like that. well, you know, uh. well, it's not stocks. everything came out there her, then we lost electricity, when nothing worked at all. that is, there is no connection , but they were connected, they were all connected, or they would also be disconnected.

would not join, of course, here. batteries and the light we observed. chic polar southern view was i think that i am grateful to fate that this happened, because the picture that we saw through the porthole. it was fantastic, we went around the southern part, uh, this is australia and there antarctica is within easy reach. she's right there on the horizon. she was all on fire, why are you here pillars of fire, they rose like this, as if from the ground so

high and they are such a ghost of a ghostly color, such a green, light, red, pink, yellow. here they are, like this , all the shatai began like this. here, i look and suddenly i see a street, a road, trees grow there. and silence and this darkness is cosmic, that is, that's it, only the aurora borealis shines and you don't need to run anywhere. we were sitting at the porthole of this large meter high and watching. well, in short, when we went to the descent already in my head, well, these emergency situations. i didn't count how many there are. well, it's useless already. no, they are all. it's not the best anymore. the main thing has become. it's just a miscalculation. what else can fail? that's where we'll be working. so the time has come to turn on the tape recorder there. we called it there, right? and now, and now there is none. well,

in general, he recorded our internal communication , uh, all negotiations. in case you won’t be there with the earth, a communication session, i turn it on, it doesn’t turn it on and i turn it on, and it doesn’t turn it on. uh, i thought, well, now on no one will know on earth what happened to us like this, this phrase sounded, and we mean we entered the dense layers of the atmosphere, there instead of i don’t know how your descent was normally, yes, everything is smooth. yes, but before that i had heard enough that during the descent it was shaking. great. no, well, not without it. well, everything was predictable, and we are entering the dense layers of the atmosphere. that's where everything is on fire. not a single fluctuation is strange, even on a centrifuge a little harder. and then it gently presses us down. i look there, how

a drop of juice goes down the tube there. g-loads appear and i think it’s not for nothing that it doesn’t shake, and so we didn’t shake until the parachute opened. well, then, in short, when we fly up to the ground, the blow was very strong. i thought more. wow soft landing came to himself. vasily says to me on the knee, sanya , we are alive, i will give from the search and rescue service, the hatch opened, the doctors, the peasants, look in. how everything is fine. will your soft landing engines fail? and here, right away, i remembered, the first is not a staff, in the first minute the last in the last second of the flight and thought, that's it now the cosmos has released me, there will be no more surprises. uh, if you make a film about your

flight, then i think more than two hours, then the audience will be mesmerized to watch everything happen, especially one after the other until the very last. uh, touchdown. just you understand, i don’t mind telling the film, well, yes, the film needs an honest one, because what i told is this, as it were, on the surface , something that, in principle, probably everyone knows and everyone says. how is it there, like on fire? how is the crime? that's where it's heroically behaving we led, but i remember that we were putting out a fire there or that we were repairing something there, this is our job. we were taught this; it was not perceived in any way as heroism. here is the heroism of vasily when he had ethylene glycol poisoning? and when he said that i, well, as if purely outwardly it was clear that he was bad, well, he didn’t say to the ground that he was bad, but he

told me, then, when he had already come to his senses, he spoke. you know, he says, i don't know what happened to me. i'm so bad. it was never. i have already begun to think what you will do after i die and began to write you a letter. there is no action here, not running around the station with a hammer. there, i will return there, i will cut everyone, i will cut everyone. and when he had problems with his heart, uh, of course, the doctors took him into circulation there , they forbade him to do any pills for physical education. naturally, tablets. everything is under control there, but until the end of the flight. uh, he didn’t do physical education like that. he couldn't. they kicked out the ninety-seventh somewhere

in 10 years after the start of operation. could would again on uh to mir station but we know tragically. well, they decided that it was flooded, here. personal feelings, this is your second home for half a year was in space, what did you feel, well , firstly, when you found out, and the second it was shown, they shared how the distance is on fire, and we are losing our native patriotic station, which flew 15 years. she did not fall apart before our eyes, therefore. well, then it didn't fall apart before our eyes, then, uh, there was a whole epic about saving the station, so to speak, not from the point of view. here are the astronauts there who they flew there, repaired something , it didn’t fall apart from the station, and the salvation was tied to the fact that the people there collected money so that the anu station continued to fly. that is, this was a pro-process

, but in the end they decided that it was necessary to sink it. and i was. there were a lot of people in the soup, so by the way, i have never seen them so that the soup was so full. that's where the experts sit in these. that's usually all the journalists up there. on the balcony and here , only specialists, no one else, so everything was packed downstairs. there were even those journalists. well, maybe the americans were sitting there, i remember, even the monitor there was a report, it was a pity, it was a pity, because, for us, it was an understanding

that this station was still operational. and politicians tell us the station is old and needs to be changed. but we know that she was the last normal crew that they flew in, they said, the station was working, was it capable of inspection, that it was checked? well, there then in every way, well, the station is operational. uh, the fact that the station is changing because we have salute oh, world, it was the eighth station there already before it. there ends the term. she calmly takes her away from orbit, this is not a tragedy, and this would not be a tragedy, but everyone understood that we were saying goodbye to our national program. although although already then, in my opinion, yes. well, it has already become the iss has already begun its work. well, yes, you have already set flights to her. that is, as if

here from the point of view, such we flew here and will fly here. we worked here, we will work here. yes, and this is an international project. we'll be well new, understandable, yes, a big ambitious project, but we really lost our nationality sanction, where would our national security issues be solved? now we have come to what is accepted at the government level. uh, the fact that we will build our own russian orbital rose station, the money was allocated for the preliminary design. and you, uh or there , know a lot about this, especially since you are an adviser to the ceo for a star. by the way, she does not only deal with our sews with spacesuits, not only a spacesuit, they work very well. what work is being done on yes for

the air force? well, there's a lot of work in progress. that's interesting, we've known for a long time how long i've been. we have two space suits, orlan, this is the one in which we go out into outer space, the falcon in which we fly in a ship, but we are looking forward to the future, here is a new station, new objects that we want to visit moon mars there and then, for sure, something do something else in your own company. well , if it's not so secret, and you can e bring