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on the air big game today we were going to discuss important events that happened in new delhi where the big game met and where there was supposed to be a serious political discussion, a serious political dispute between russia, the united states, between the united states and their allies and that world of the majority, which takes a different position more sympathetic to russia, but we will have to start today not with this very important interesting topic of the astraleristic act, which took place in the territory russian federation, let's hear what president putin said about this. now, as we know, the soldiers and officers of the russian army brought up by our school by our teachers

mentors courageously and heroically fulfill their duty to protect russia , protect our people from neo-nazis and from terrorists who tortured and killed for 8 years. people in the donbass who killed in moscow those who today committed another terrorist act, another crime , entered the border area and opened fire on civilians. they saw that it was a civilian vehicle, they saw that civilians were sitting there and ordinary niva children opened fire. these are the people who set themselves the task of depriving us of historical memory to deprive us of their history

to deprive us of their language traditions. this violence, the real crime is committed by neo-nazis, about whom i just said their owner is sure that i will not remember today's crime, these same owners, no one will even pay attention to this, but i repeat again, they will not succeed. we even press them, but first i want to ask you senator andrey denisov with your international experience , not only as an ambassador to china, but not only you were in the organization united nations, uh, of course, first deputy foreign minister. here with your international experience. uh, what do you think the reaction to this crime will be in the world and especially will this crime make any impression on the united states and

its supporters? well, uh, with the greatest, unfortunately, i can admit the only option that they will try not to notice. well, in some form, maybe, separated by commas, they will say that ukraine is using everything possible for it. uh, ways to resist and so uh, try to drown is simply to drown the bestial essence that happened in various kinds, such uh, or even in their reasoning. here, in my opinion, there is no point in guessing. it happened more than once. remember murder. daria dugina, too, after all, in general, there was no such meaningful reaction of protest, unfortunately to this enfandre. kiev, the ruling regime is forgiven everything, everything

goes down on the brakes. this is an objective reality that we have to deal with in america and there were administrations that i liked more and there were administrations, which i liked less expression. er, i thought so too. this is right. in general, an increased readiness to apologize for one's country is not a virtue. and there were acts that seemed to me stupid and pointless , like the american invasion and then the american occupation of iraq, but i understood that in general, great powers behave like that , that this is in history. well, let's say civilization is not unprecedented deeds.

now i am ashamed of america. detained an american who wants to be the only twerk, drag it's a shame because ah declare that the american monopoly in world politics must be built on morality on morality on common values. and uh , to have such indifference as there is an act of terrorism that is being committed, if not on your direct instructions, then at least unambiguously under your patronage. but maybe i'm exaggerating, but ruslan pukhov is you, a well-known military expert with a good popular reputation. of course, i don’t know what kind of reputation we have now in the people , while it used to be more or less normal with you had a very good reputation, including.

ruslan maybe i'm asking myself now, we have now thickened the colors for you, after all. uh, kieva says they didn't do it. they're just trying to hold them accountable. for this so. do you have any doubts. that it was an act committed from ukrainian territory and at least with the knowledge, but rather on the direct instructions of the zelensky government. you know , it is extremely difficult for me to believe, uh, in some kind of initiative on the ground, simply for the simple reason that the times are so to speak. here are the so-called tamanshchina in ukraine they passed. that is, if in the fourteenth year somewhere else, probably in 2015, one could talk about some kind of autonomous dynamics. e of some nationalist battalions of some volunteers vsu, now. everything is naturally

subservient. eh, a single e command of a single plan, and now, with all the e cruelty and cynicism of this act. i must say that from a military point of view, they expect us to disperse our forces. along a fairly long border, the force of the ministry of defense of the forces of the border troops e federal security service, and thereby reduce the pressure, uh, in those areas where we are attacking we plan to attack. so in some cases, uh, sometimes you just have to grit your teeth. ah, be patient. but er, when such things are committed against your country and the president mentioned to putin, er, daria dugin and you are a senator. i give people did not know and only to admit that i first met alexander dugin here on this program

after this crime. i somehow took it, i'll tell you. it's very personal because in general, you can’t kill civilians. but you know, if it was, uh, some intelligence officer with whom they even settled scores, if it were some kind of retired general, in which you, let's say, are for afghanistan or chechnya. if it were some kind of - then a person who is engaged in sending weapons to some places where, from the point of view of other countries, they have recently been located. you didn't make such a terrorist attack for me, right? but this didn't cause it. i have some incredible inner disgust when it comes to a girl. which was not a servicewoman who was not a scout, who was not accused of anything like that,

who did not rob anyone, she was also not accused of this. and no one's property was confiscated. and so they took and killed and the reaction was actually what was wrong with that , but it made a very big impression on me and i must say that only alexander dugin is holding on, this also just shows the scale of his e-personality vladimir rudakov editor-in-chief story when i asked to invite you. generally speaking, i really thought about your expertise in international diplomacy. but just like that , it turned out that today we have, uh, another topic, at least now in the first part of the program and you now expressed all this indignation. ah, the collective west. i think the refund is my sincere, but i would give you too much, space for emotions. tell

vladimir how they reacted in the west, especially britain and france, when terrorists in the late 19th and early 20th centuries killed russian officials, judges and political figures. was there any reaction of disgust and desire to help russia from western countries during that period, which i want to remind you, these countries were not at war with russia, even parts were in partnership. and, if you take, if you take the end of the 19th century, but you know, i think that in such a situation , relations are always, uh, directly opposite, when, say, in london there were explosions at the end of the 19th century, russian emigrants were blamed for them, and then shamefacedly admitted, that they are irish

or some local left. and when political assassinations took place in russia for this looked through their fingers. like some kind of ordinary russian reality , on which you don’t need to react to some general humanitarian considerations, but i would actually, uh, recall examples of a more recent time. yes, you mentioned the conflict in the chechen public in the early nineties , and we remember how long, in fact, until the complete physical liquidation of certain characters, the west reacted to them as separatists, not corporatists, but fighters for the freedom of the chechen republic. ichkeria yes some kind of it was called and no matter what terrible crimes were committed both on the territory of chechnya and on the territory. e moscow the same. yes, uh, the west has never sided with the official moscow of the official kremlin, and in assessing this activity, as terrorist terrorists did not appear on the territory of western countries, they were extradited to russia

no, they are there, it seems to me that there are still some characters who one way or another . eh, they do what they can. and so the twentieth was also not issued. as far as i remember, well, then they didn’t even give out russians terrorists who went there were given russian terrorists. they didn’t betray the imperial culture, of course, vera zasulich spent a decent number of decades there, before returning here, in my opinion, after the revolution, this was a normal practice. yes, and it’s even as far as one can judge the prevalence of some distant, foreign countries there, starting with finland and the swedish border with finland, that is, there are literally several tens, and kilometers from the border of the russian empire, that is, completely different approaches operate, and those people, which act like terrorists against western countries. of course, they raise anger and all power is directed at them. west that in the xix century, that in the twentieth, that the twenty-

first those people who act by terrorist methods. uh, well, not only in russia, probably, after all, let's say yes, it 's fair, but in other parts of the world, but to their actions. the west refers depending on the relationship in which it is in the direction in which this or that act of terrorism was committed. well, the united states uh american terrorists extradited to israel from western countries issued. that is, this is not a situation where there is no practice of issuing terrorists. it was such a traditional attitude towards russia , then towards the soviet union and then again towards russia, but what are the reasons for this? well, if you want a special relationship, that russia was not perceived as a full member of the civilized seven. well, maybe this is partly, or maybe the fact that e hmm acted even seems to me in yeltsin's

russia, which was maximally disposed to cooperate with the west, acted, and the perception that any action in relation to the e russia of the country, and whoever does it, it can be written into the piggy bank as a plus, and those efforts e of the west that are aimed at restraining it to reduce its ambitions as imagined, that is, uh, what is called no matter how people act in relation to russia and its citizens, if it is so to say uh russia, then, probably, they have the right to explain this and for the preparation, this is with a variety of aspirations, including resorting to. uh, to a motivation so valuable, yes, that freedom fighters for independence and so on. you know, uh, i was always amazed in the nineties by the attitude in russia itself towards terrorists among the so-called good society. uh, and you know this especially well, because this society included both

leading experts on international affairs and , uh, liberal politicians and so on. many current patriotic politicians. let's say, when they were quite liberal and were proud of it, so i remember the tolerance of a chechen terrorist. i remember when i was talking to one presenter. eh, a journalist who was at the same time a deputy of the state duma and really an incredibly pure and good person, i sincerely loved him. and once in a lifetime quarreled. when he told how he visited, uh, in chechnya, how he met, uh, with basayev and said, the guys are chechens. who is speaking? what kind of guys, guys show you, well, some degree of belonging to one category, but

you know, this is a tradition. it was not for nothing, probably, they remembered the 19th century. this tradition has long roots, because the russian enlightened educated class, then very with great sympathy for the terrorist activities and narodnaya volya. and then the socialist-revolutionaries. well, this continued into the late 19th century. this continued into the early 20th century. so this tradition is old, with which it is connected, probably, with some kind of value defect. here, in my opinion, uh, justice cannot be said stronger. but uh, before you became your excellency the senator. you were your excellency. this is a common world protocol practice formula and nothing more, we only support you even more love and goals, but what i wanted to ask you, that's when you were at the un when you were the first deputy foreign minister, you were faced

with the fact that then there was a lot of talk that the fight against terrorism should be an international priority. here, maybe i don’t notice something, but i haven’t even heard that this topic was seriously raised, but am i right, is this topic really gone. if so, firstly, why and secondly, can something be done about it? well, uh, you see, you're absolutely right. eh, let me remind you that this topic is gone, it is not, unfortunately. not only she, it would seem quite recently. here, in the memory of all of us standing here, but of recent memory, such topics as the fight against e, terrorism, the fight against drug trafficking , the fight against natural disasters, the fight against e, organized crime, and so on , occupied top leading positions in the international agenda in e, programs

various kinds, conferences, summits and so on. especially, especially after the tragic story of the twin towers in new york , the problem of combating terrorism. came out just to the fore without alternative. now, unfortunately, we do not see any of this. uh, essentially local, local, history that began as local. history, literally overshadowed everything, crowded out any other topics and simply removed them. that's how you know i took it off. it moved aside from an international trip unknown to me. is anything now being done on a collective basis in those, precisely on the issues that i have outlined, who will know. you most likely don't get done practically nothing gets done because there's no composition participants. i would like to remind you of another peculiarity, which, unfortunately, was also present when we cooperated with uh hmm and with american partners and with other uh. e in the fight against terrorism. after all, when, uh

, terrorist criminals came to the west, even in those years, we were sometimes refused to extradite them under various pretexts , such as the judicial system in russia. e in russia is the law of the application system. immature there. uh, these people could be in danger. well , for example, some kind of torture in prison, as they said, well, i take this word in quotation marks. a it may simply be a threat in life, therefore, they say, for humane reasons, we cannot extradite them. this is another example of hypocrisy, especially against the backdrop of the same abu prison in iraq or the guantanamo base where we saw how they treat, how humanely they treat people who are in custody. so well, it remains to shrug one more example of an unworthy game without rules, and you know. i'm just a personal observation right now. my mother was uh

dynamo was probably one of the most famous soviet lawyers human rights activists, and it was very critical of the soviet judicial system. nevertheless, she wrote memoirs in her books , which were first published in the united states and then were republished already in russia , she wrote, nevertheless, more than 90% of all cases in which negotiations were made in the soviet union were based on fact, and uh, here , therefore, to say like this that there was such an evil bad soviet judicial system that their terrorists could not be extradited. this argument is slightly up in the air for me. ruslan, president putin said, they will not succeed. we'll get them. it seems to me that this is probably how the vast majority of russians think and feel.

we also understand that at least i understand that this is not an easy process, because there is a certain category of people in russia who not only do not like the russian government , not only, uh, do not like the russian system of government, but they do not like the russian people. if you look at what radical emigrants say in their speeches. they are very open. they say that the russian people are responsible for everything that they consider the crimes of power, and these people. they many of them today live at the expense of ukraine some of them directly live in ukraine definitely receive ukrainian support in these conditions. this is a terrorist trend to really breathe, which is required, probably, only by law enforcement agencies. well

, it is quite obvious that e terrorism is not a disease that is not fought exclusively by force. although , of course, they are very important for terrorism should not exist. eh, this flair of romance. yes, the fleur of some kind of robin buzz. yes, and, of course, uh, terrorism should not be supported by actors in the international arena, because, as we all remember at the time, but it seems that the jinger patrick freedom. yes, that is, if these people are beneficial to us, then we call them freedom fighters, and it doesn’t even matter what yes for faith and so on. and if these fighters are not profitable for us, then you then glue them as terrorists as a result. here such a story arises, when there is some kind of coal, yes, and here we are

, if it is unprofitable for us, we are trying to transfer it. and hmm to pass on to some of our neighbors. and, of course, these double standards. yes, of course they must be crossed. here, and returning to chechnya by the way, i also wanted our viewers to be here, maybe somewhere only in a side way. yes, it would seem that we, e russian chechens, so to speak, will never be brothers after two bloody wars in which so many people. and now we see that the chechens are one of the most loyal citizens of the russian federation and, so to speak , prove it with their lives within the framework of a special military operation. and that even a very complex contradictory past can be overcome. here, uh, this is so as a digression . uh, my opinion on this. it goes to the fact that you mentioned vladimir that there was some kind of, if you want a moral flaw

in russia coming to the terrorists looking for some explanation of what they are doing you you know, in the united states, i've seen a lot of films. about uh, all sorts of arab terrorists , and always showed that they have some kind of legitimate grounds, let's say, israeli ones. uh, sins, but against the arabs or what the united states did against iraq yes , it was always clear in these hollywood films by the end that the terrorists are still scoundrels. scoundrels quite right monster. and that, whatever their initial motives, the methods they have chosen are not only intolerant, but made them monsters, they need to be treated like monsters, and therefore, it seems

to me that it is very important that the current situation, that putin, so that the russian government can be sure that it has, if you like, moral. dates from society to do everything necessary to, as president putin said , really put the squeeze on these freaks. well, i want to say that maybe it was somehow forgotten after a while, but president putin has a very good background in this sense, because when he headed the government uh, in the second half of the ninety-eighth year of the ninety-ninth year, and in august of the ninth year. it seems to me that even on the fingers of one hand it was impossible to find experts who would agree that the problems of chechen terrorism can be solved in russia , well, not chechen international terrorism by that time. everyone was talking about some

sky-high scenarios to fence off with a wall to bomb and so on. well, putin was able to cope with this task despite a huge number of forecasts in the most incredible that it's on yes here, this is a very good reminder reminder. e that although the situation is very serious and it will be very difficult to deal with it, there is a precedent on how this can be done and the precedent was established by the person who today at the head of russia is now going out for a short advertisement, we will be back in just a few minutes and we will talk with pierre de golem to the grandchildren of the president, charles the voice of spring in the updated composition tomorrow on

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and now with us via skype from paris, pierre-gaul is the grandson of the famous french president hanna de gaulle, who is famous for his heroism during the second world war when he saved in honor of france is known for the fact that he managed to unify france after the second world war, but in addition, he is known as a consistent supporter of the independent policy of france, independent of american hegemony, and he even brought france from the military organization. nato is when you look at this political legacy of your great grandfather. how can you explain the fact that the current french government is president macron, let's go in direct opposition. positive political path

how are you? uh, merci 2 thank you for the invitation, my grandfather. in fact, he always tried throughout his life to restore strategic civilian independence, as well as diplomatic independence on the international stage, combined with industrial security, all his life, despite the difficulties of that time, despite all the contradictions of the cold war. he always tried to maintain strong relations with russia because. he believed that russia was necessary for the balance of europe in the world. surt, in particular, he believed that russia

was a natural partner in interests in terms of geography and in terms of the culture that connected us france and russia president macron is destroying this just like his predecessors, they are destroying decades and decades of diplomatic work with russia this means that france is no longer is an independent strategic plan since she returned to military command time. and it can also be said that the industrial policy of france has led to its vulnerability at the present time. unfortunately

france is now under pressure and relations with the united states, which dominates and it is much more dependent on the power of money now, because it owes a lot of money in order to follow its personal interests and its personal agenda, sometimes the leaders of the country follow the interests of america naturally. i am against the choice that president macron made. philosophy america america and nato are one of the members of the european union while france is the largest power and nuclear power in the eu and it should play its special role in the international arena. once again i want to say that i am very upset by this turn, which

was, uh, adopted in recent years and brought the subordination of france to america. i am for communication and the alliance of france with russia for friendship. it's in my dna, it's my legacy, and it's also the voice of my mind. thank you very much for what you said, and this, of course, is strict. well, i have a question for you about the attitude of french public opinion. i think you know that traditionally franco-filter sentiments were very strong in russia, and the russian educated class, the russian elites, in general, were traditionally drawn to france and, uh, especially, of course, russian liberals were drawn to france. and er, here, when this situation arose around ukraine now, then, in general, in moscow, the least expected

was that it was france that seemed to be among the leaders of the anti-russian coalition. what do you think french public opinion is? and it has already become. it is easy and consistent to perceive russia as an enemy, or is there still a mood in france in favor of reconciliation with russia, a mood that was influential enough to influence french official policy. in france , first of all, the major media are independent. i can even say that they follow someone else's orders and they are not objective. they preach a policy

of, uh, optimization of ukraine, as well as a discriminatory policy in relations with russia , but french public opinion is not stupid. they somehow have common sense and they understand that they were manipulated during the times of covid. they know it's the corruption of european commissions and its tech connections that were hidden about the physer vaccine. they know that the european commission has euros that were used to help ukraine and respond. according to these expenses, the french believe that this is not their war, that

it makes them vulnerable and the sanctions inflict on them nonsense in their work, although the enterprise affects the prices of bread and other food products. uh, leading to a shortage of pharmaceuticals. they know that they are manipulating, yes, but fortunately, the parallel media and social networks are freer and the french. know that they were plans for a peace agreement that were proposed with the president and that the americans forced him to abandon the plans for peace and continue the war. they know that the ukrainians the government of ukraine for several years now is extremely corrupt even the americans. this was recently recognized as russian. they know that

it is not in their interest to continue this war and that the constant increase in arms transfer rates by nato and the americans is bringing the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation and is helping to spread the conflict to other countries. eastern french. they are not stupid, they have common sense. i think what we need to do is to restore the truth. we must directly say who is responsible for this war. what are its consequences and what dangers we are exposed to. i believe in the restoration of the truth , i would like to say once again that uh the french government, despite the fact that they made these wrong decisions. they still become more vulnerable. now before

public opinion, because the french understand that what is happening is the crisis. they trying to manage in real time. and i think that it is public opinion that will lead to the prevalence of common sense. i public opinion should influence the government. in order to bring him to his senses, it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table, it is necessary to give guarantees to russia , it is necessary to stop manipulations and lies, and i deeply believe that the french people have always had this opportunity and this ability in a crisis situation, and i will make every effort to so that france may regain her voice , her majesty and her confidence in international arena. huge thank you very much. thank you for your opinion, which i

am sure, and most of us share and, of course, the time and we hope to see you again on the air of our program. thank you. now , we're back to our original topic of what happened in new delhi. but in general, it is already known that the meeting, uh, ended with the result. uh, which differ in that no result could be achieved, but nevertheless russia managed to achieve, with the support of china, that it was not accepted a resolution that would be unacceptable and offensive to russia, and this in the current conditions is already an achievement of the senator, so that you think about this about your assessment of what happened in the case. well, what happened, uh, in week e is not some kind of surprise, an unexpected move. it was quite predictable and expected. eh, i would

like to point out two things. eh, not enough today. who remembers that when the big one was created. yes, twenty group 20 uh, then uh, her declared main goal was just discussing the issues of world finance of the world economy, world trade and the creation of a kind of protection for the adoption of protective measures against the cyclical periodic crises that shook the world trade economic and financial system. and there was no such format as a meeting of foreign ministers . it did not arise immediately, but about two or three years later, and there were countries that doubted she gave, uh, the argument was this, after all, there are enough different kinds of international platforms, but first of all, of course, the united nations organization where ministers of foreign affairs may meet among themselves to discuss topics of interest. and

is it worth overloading the agenda of the g20 with these problems, but then the opinion that it will still prevail? well, let's say it's not superfluous. since then, these meetings have been held in exactly the same way as the meeting of finance ministers. here they are, probably, after all, the main ones from the point of view of the agenda of the twenty and that's all. they somehow precede the main event themselves, because the word itself justifies its own, what is the meaning of this meeting of leaders so here. uh, the main thing is still in the process of the twenty, and in the annual chairmanship on a rotational basis, which countries pass on to each other. this, of course, is what happened last year at the summit meeting, the leaders succeeded after all. uh, to adopt a joint document, let's wait, let's see how it will be here, but towards the ministers of foreign affairs. yes, a situation has arisen that, in general, er, is well known to chess players, no matter what move you make. everything turns out to be to the detriment of e, therefore,

it is better not to make moves at all. and so the fighting draw part is the victory of that side that is expected to fail. well, i think it could not be new, to be honest, given the position of our country, the position of china yes, and in general the settings of the indian presidency let's see what sergey lavrov said about this as regards assistance in resolving the crisis , we have publicly said many times that we never refuse serious offers that are made from a sincere desire. let me remind you once again to find a political solution. that's when we are called to negotiations. i don't remember,

so that at least one of our western colleagues and from a number of other e-states, but called for negotiations in ukraine, and, probably, this has its own homespun truth, because ukraine is just being set up to continue the war when ukraine was ready for negotiations at the end march last year, and when ukraine proposed the principle of settlement, which we supported and were ready to sign the relevant treaty on this basis, ukraine shook hands. this is true for all. it is known that the united states of britain and a number of other figures from the european union who as i understand it, they told the kiev regime if the russians were ready to conclude an agreement. he's handling the situation. so you have to pull. we need to deplete them even more. e

to achieve, as it was later directly stated. defeating russia on the battlefield inflicting a strategic defeat on russia even before his arrival in the week, and us secretary of state anthony b. lincoln said that he was not going to meet with either the russian foreign minister or the foreign minister, china should say that here, if you want to do something international problems including the problem of ukraine it was uh. well, let's just say it's a strange position, if you look at the history of russian american relations after the second world war. these relations had ups and downs on the menestre, foreign affairs met on a regular

basis. uh, for example. from my point of view, one of the most bad foreign ministers in the history of the soviet union and i am not afraid to say in the history of russia was andrey yanuaryevich vykhinsky a. he was a former stalinist prosecutor on uh, all these scary processes. uh, to uh, world war ii. eh, and then he suffered already in the soviet union a well-deserved punishment, i'm sure he died on his property. to be frank, he was not popular, but such an outstanding us secretary of state , an anti-communist sworn anti-communist , met with ekhinsky on a regular basis and showed him the necessary decor. well, eisenhower met with

khrushchev, and these were difficult negotiations and not always with positive results, but they met, of course, they couldn’t come there in the head, and to nikita sergeevich khrushchev that his granddaughter, but will live in the united states a and expose the putin government and aggressive russian ukraine, and president eisenhower, probably, could not have come to mind that his granddaughter, but the lock will come out for a russian scientist, and her wedding will e take place in moscow and the state secretary will be nearby, e and the then ministers of foreign affairs, and shevardze, but he was such an interesting person, the foreign minister did. and andrey kozyrev e, who are also very good with everyone met. first, uh,

the russian foreign minister, he probably also said that he met with clinton, but also with other leaders of the american administration. uh, also, probably, no one could have imagined that he would become at an elderly age, uh, the regular residents of miami in florida, uh, would pretend to be, but a great fighter, and for human rights in russia, i forget to mention that one reason, which he had to stand up as permanent residents of the united states is that the bank in which he was chairman, and the boards of directors in russia and not only went bankrupt. very large abuses were discovered there, very large, but the head of the bank. ah, got a sentence. 7 years old, but the monk refused to give him up. and mr. kozyrev was the chairman of the board of directors

of this bank. well, now, after a career as a banker, he ended up in the united states and is making a new career, and fighting for human rights in putin's russia. especially when it has the place of such a serious crisis as in ukraine, this was not and especially should not be according to any sound logic. considering that he also refused to meet with the chinese foreign minister, but now they met at the request of the same blinkin and talked, and, er, blinkin, it seems. uh, it seems to have made new demands

of the laurel and the meeting was so short that it was clearly not the right format for serious negotiations. well, what to make a claim, it turned out that you can explain andrey what happened from your point of view? well, in my opinion it happened to some extent inevitably. and that's why, but, uh, communication or not communication of the heads of foreign policy services. this is no longer just a matter of russian american relations. this is a general rule of world diplomacy , there is a certain agreement between the diplomats of different countries, no matter how bad our relations between our countries are, no matter how deep the problems in these relations are, diplomats must meet , must work, must discuss, otherwise, then just hmm just happens about