it seems that he made new demands to lavrov , their meeting was so short that it was clearly an inappropriate format for serious negotiations. but it turned out that it was possible to make a claim. explain andrei what happened from your point of view? well, it happened in my opinion. uh, to some extent inevitable and that's why, but uh, communication or not communication of the heads of foreign policy services. this is no longer just a matter of russian american relations. this is a general rule of world diplomacy, there is a certain agreement between diplomats different countries, no matter how, uh, bad our relations between our countries, if there weren't deep problems in these relations , diplomats should meet, should work , should discuss, otherwise, then just hmm , it will just collapse, so the

position that the americans took here i will still use the word partners, because they remain partners. she is, of course, absolutely but i would say absurd, she is contrary to the rules of international diplomacy, and she honestly, hmm uh is well it's just a dead end for not only relations between our countries, but also for world politics in general, because, uh, it happened solely through the fault of the american side. here, absolutely 100%, we and minister sergeyevich lavrov and our other heads of the diplomatic department are ready and open for discussions . so that's what we met. well, it means some kind of uh, remember, uh, president putin used something like that, such an interesting word. he said it wasn't dawn yet. but

this is zarnitsa here, perhaps, and here something like zarnitsa, at least, contact has been made. some questions were raised and if the american side is satisfied. in detail, the characteristic of such a mentoring manner was expressed by e. well, she gave a small comment on what was discussed, then from our side. e hmm maria zakharova limited herself to, uh, a reference to the fact that sergey viktorovich lavrov answered in his usual manner. well, what is the manner inherent in some of the statements of our minister? we remember well. thanks to us catastrophically little time, but, of course, it is very important to hear ruslan and your assessment of what is happening in the bakhmat area and is it true that the initiative of the russian troops is preserved and is it true that the bang is

more and more surrounded and that, in general, it is not under ukrainian occupation, most likely reduced. you know? bakhmut is indeed in a semicircle. however, uh, this is just one of the elements of a special military operation. we are forced to state that, in principle, of course, there are certain positional impasses in the face, and russia and ukraine have great human resources. we are ready for the offensive, but our task is to wear off the ukrainian forces in order to turn the course of hostilities, the ukrainians, until they draw in their significant reserves that they have in the western regions, they still lack equipment, so some kind of game to aggravate inevitable. who will start to escalate, we or the ukrainian side, i do not undertake to predict. that it is 100% clear that if there is no turning point, uh, within the next few months, let's say

this calendar year, then we will see that we will enter some such a positional impasse as fractions side deep. very much into digging into the ground according to the korean scenario. yes, but this is not good. this is not bad. it's just that war has its own, but evil logic, and we are well aware that it is extremely difficult to predict the future, especially when you impose your will on the enemy. let me predict the future. probably because i know less in this area. why does it always become easier to predict when a person is not burdened with expertise, in the first place, what is happening now is not dead end. and this is the calm of the front. and secondly, both sides are preparing for offensive operations. and at least from the ukrainian side. they clearly think that they do not

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hello today, we gathered our thoughts about what a university is. why is it needed? you know each other very well just in case. i will say that today we have aleksey pavlovich kozyrev in alphabetical order. kharchuk, dean of the faculty of medicine, faculty of biology, a wonderful second, as they say in the homeland of the medical institute, corresponding member of the russian academy of sciences, i am especially pleased, i again well, what to do, time goes by, we do not change. and you know, i want to start everything. i'm in this year's teaching lecture. uh, his students started with a story that happened to me and i would very much like to tell it to you and listen to your

comments if i may say so, suddenly he called me and says, listen, my daughter is studying. uh, at the university in one, but somehow , the first year i studied, something doesn’t go. you could meet and talk to her. she , maybe to you at mgimo, but a girl will be translated, minus 45, they said, beautiful, smart, bright everything, why do i say you want to leave your university? well, i didn't have any friends there. no, company, no, nothing. and that's all around, yes about. why am i talking to us? well, i think he will say learn a language is such a set of standard answers that we are used to hearing. but my friend clouds you and her friends are gorgeous and everything is cool, and they spend time there wonderfully and so on, in short, word formation in 45 minutes of our conversation. knowledge to learn has not sounded even once the university has turned into a stage of socialization. today, motivation is destroyed, indeed. i, too

, gave an introductory lecture on the first of september as a dean. for what need philosophy? today is a good topic, yes, but i was asked a question. and where will we go to work after the faculty of philosophy. i wanted to answer the world bank fucking the united nations but where you go to work depends on what you learn. what task will you set and then, will the frying pan have such a concept. here are the philosophies, just in case pans. there is such a thing as affinity happy is the person who has found it. difficult business in life then you will learn then this business will become your hobby and your passion and your sphere. e improvement. here are the questions. they ask least of all and, uh, i think that u is somewhat guided by the desire of the parents. how to form this motivation to gain

knowledge, the school has worked very hard. in a negative sense, that is, this system of the unified state examination is where the senior classes are. uh, children don't study, they write samples. i used to think that a sampler is a perfume that expresses itself. and today i came to school. i gave a lecture to scientists at school, yes, if such a program, but the government of moscow, uh, the children wrote yesterday probe. tomorrow they will write, a sampler and every week. they write samples for us. they are preparing for yes, they do not study, they do not comprehend astronomers, yes, who are not at school at all. yes, now she is, but she is not, let's play separately. maybe we'll talk today. i look at igor boris so suharizny looks at us and does not agree. you're with this in my romantic. well, to be honest, i don’t really understand what students want, because i have two children, two students. if you look more globally, then for me both for a scientist and as a citizen. i

take the university. it's like a kind of, in fact, a very difficult bridge between the maintenance of tradition and progress, as if for me it is important. you see, this is how, on the one hand, you need to preserve the tradition. on the other hand, definitely move forward. i thought about it a lot. well, since the dean needs to somehow, well, develop on the one hand, but on the other hand, it’s still the university, er, in which, although not my alma mater. yes, but nonetheless. i am responsible for these children. there i have faculty 1.200 people. and i have to think on them, how, on the one hand, to maintain the tradition, on the other hand, to move forward. well, the system it develops, when it exists there, a certain amount of chaos. yes, the share has not been determined. oh, well, uncertainty and such a suspension. when you shake there, i don’t know, stones, they lie down somehow, in my opinion, still shake. and just like that, they take

some, if it's not shaken at all, it 'll be a dead weight. this is some kind of shaking of the system and bringing it into the system such reinforced strictly proportional chaos, which it didn’t destroy and it to me hmm why did you give this example of a girl? and why am i talking about this with students, because this is an indicator, in my opinion, one of the indicators of what our attitude towards this has turned into higher education today, yes, i agree with alexey pavlovich. if conditionally there once a person came there as an apprentice to the master, he said, i want to learn how to do it the way you do, yes. now he comes and says, and where will i work. and how much will i earn? and in terms of time, not only that the girl katya does not understand. why does she go to the university and her parents do not understand her, and in general, society does not understand, does she need

this person with this specialty in time, yes, and therefore, by the way, to say, here is the next question that i also ask my students. and today i am very glad that i can to talk to you, because i suddenly realized that i have been asking students every year for many years. but somehow i didn’t ask my colleagues. what is higher education? today? all of us in soviet times, higher education was not total . if we take the thirties-forties-fifties , it was not so easy to find a person with a higher education, so he has a higher degree, social social success, yes, social promotion and there were high salaries and professors and uh, a university graduate. generally could get a job where he got more than a worker, but in the nineties. unfortunately, we have finished the process of this leveling, which began much earlier and,

firstly, all ages have become universities. although you need to understand that the university. uh, this is not a place where they give applied skills here for folding skills there is a polytechnic institute technical college. yes, the university is an idea of ​​the purpose and meaning of human activity. and if this question is not asked by a philosopher, if his the physicist does not ask if he does not know the doctor, if you do not ask the mathematician, then he is a bad university graduate, he not only should, but knows well. e your area of ​​expertise, but also ask the ultimate questions. a. eh, what place? and i have science in the system of science in the universe of human knowledge. and the truth. eh, that's what i'm ready for. e give your life or the truth is situationally accidental

fragmentary truth, in general a lot yes, and so here is the university. and this is the pinnacle of higher education, as a place where a person is. e. what is becomes is in a sense, an idealist who is guided by, uh, higher principles. here was such a russian e, philosopher, writer doctor diplomat konstantin leontyevich yes, who wrote in one letter science should develop in a spirit of deep contempt for its practical poland uh-huh today. eh, with this, no one would agree, but generally speaking, let's ask him borisch. well, if palych correctly noted about the university , i fully support this story that the university is about a way of life. this is an ontology, in fact, and respected people who think universities, they divide them into classical ones, such as research or

research universities, where people are mainly engaged and absolutely not researchers, namely universities. that is, after that, as a part, there are so-called vocational schools in the form of some kind of institutes. and now, if the first cohort and the slensky university are such a vysoksonian, in general, protestant model, then research schools are more of a russian-german kind of history and finally, there may be a third part, which is also distinguished by colleagues - this is the so-called clan locations. if you don’t study in ita, i can confuse everything with saton there. well, let's say, all uh, british prime ministers graduate from a certain school. or is there, if you study in cambridge, then you need to or in a certain french school, then you will be the president of france or already yes? so it's absolutely clans. you things they are not related to education. moreover, this plan seems to reproduce itself. he was created in order to reproduce himself, and he, well, roughly

speaking, if you want, i already pissed a little, then, if you want to work in the form, then it is most logical, but not in a search, i can say that, of course, in the soviet union, it seems that the second part was brought to perfection. vocational schools, but this did not save the system, that is, the tradition could not itself, despite the fact that it was a challenge to the whole world. this is a new way of looking at the world. this new ontology was built perpendicular to everything that was before, nevertheless, professionals of a high hand lacked something about what the previous speaker actually spoke about, so that keep the system from collapsing. that is, they were superprofessionals, for example, in physics or superprofessionals in mathematics. or even in diplomacy or in the economy, probably yes. well, they missed something important, which destroyed the whole system, what? well, the absence of that

raisin that should be in the university is the vision of the world, the feeling of the world, and this feeling must be interrupted. well, some system. again we speak in the ratio of progress and tradition that should exist. i thought that, uh, that's it my faculty is philosophy. yes, it has a great history, but we are now talking about the period after the military, because okay, it was, it was not, and in general it exists due to the fact that it opened one more time than it closed. maybe one of the most er, fruitful periods of living periods. these were the fifties and sixties, when a whole dream and honey and elenki and mordashvili wonderful names arose, but it was a time of very tough ideological oppression. it was a time of cultivating some kind of dogmatic marxism, that is, development. but it is precisely

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well, with some kind of massive stupidity, stupidity , abrasion of the border between knowledge or professional knowledge, expert and amateurish. yes, we go to the doctors. and when they tell us how they will live us, i say, i don’t need to. here is what i read on the internet. let's just say that these are also very revealing things that were once impossible. and so, therefore, three things seem to me fundamentally. the first is, after all, higher education. yes, this knowledge is quite, certain professional expert. whatever, the second is such a wonderful phrase to her various american professors. at the first lecture, an american professor is credited with telling his students everything that you will be taught here, you will forget, but on the other hand, you can always determine whether they hang noodles on your ears or not, and i’ll tell the students separately, there are indirect signs of pseudoscience, which are look, if you can not understand anything in the specialty on which you took the book, but here, if you see this in your the bell should ring. yes, if you are a person with an education, i hear the third point, then

what alexey pavlovich said, yes, and he says that as i understand it, he supports it. it seems to me that if you are a techie, then you should not only know that there is such a dante or was such, but you should have the experience of reading the divine comedy. and if you are a humanitarian and i'm afraid of this word. so you still have to understand what einstein did, how the theory of relativity in general differs from specially. well, at least on the level of to somehow be able to explain this to someone, and this is something that is almost non-existent in the whole world today, as they imagined, well , we have preserved philosophical education and physics and mathematics. and biology and logic, which is still close to mathematics. so our students are just getting signs. but we are not now. yes, when communicating with this world culture in the broadest sense of the word at some fundamentally different level above the school level. yes, i'm talking to students again, often. if you see in a book something like a phrase or thought that it is generally accepted that in fact everything

is much more complicated, most likely, it was written by accounting, because it is simply clear only where science is in general and does not smell or not like it. well, the very fact of the scientific method of cognition is close to me , and it is obvious that there is a big score for the six years that the specialist is now being taught. eh, some areas of science can change so much that when they acted there was one type of knowledge and one-knowledge, but the output will be different and in an obvious way. what's since i graduated. it's been there for 30 years. and naturally, everything has changed, but the first. well, you must be taught to learn. this is first of all, and if i was taught to learn how to go to the library to look, nothing has changed because the internet appeared, but the principle of extracting knowledge and exfoliating, uh, the husk. raise me for a tautology. yes, attention, where is

the present where is not the present and this is very important. yes, and this comes with experience, just in the process of learning the second point that i would like to note, nevertheless, well, it’s not enough for me just professionalism and the idea of ​​​​a function university. this is in contrast to the professional engineering schools or clan-based places cultivated by these prime ministers. uh, to give some understanding of life, naturally , within that, well, the framework in which uh exists, this institution, yes, so i think it's a very important point to note that professionalism. this is a necessary condition, but not unconditionally sufficient. when we have people in the power industry, they do not know the sign-law. this is just a disaster, but if they are super professional, but do not carry a certain charge, this is also not enough for system reproduction. if we think about some kind of stable development. eh, it's on e.

well, this is what it's about here, because i, uh, when i say, my students , some economists there asked, all the time there dostoevsky dostoevsky why do we need to read brothers. that's why i suddenly caught myself at some point, i answer once again that i'm trying to tell them how they are an economist. there, in their economic activities, fyodor mikhailovich will be useful by the karas brothers, because this is not necessary. now i say what they are about emotional creative intelligence about the fact that this is competitive, but it's true, right? here, for example, is yulia borisovich khariton , the creator of the soviet atomic project. i was shocked when we arrived in sarov for the first time and its house-museum, and the bedroom on the bedside table. i don't remember the volume of poetry. now kogo nu poems and in his diary i read when the young khariton is a physicist a physicist. yes, he got to read mayakovsky's poems. when i was young and wrote in my diary, a whole sea of ​​new poetry opened up before me. it was

one of the biggest shocks of my life. now we are talking about this to read dostoevsky to nato, because one of the questions of the karamazov brothers, who killed the father , we are constantly doing this, but not in the literal sense, but metaphysically. eh, we have every generation. e, denies the previous son is not responsible for his father. why do professional smart people destroy? eh, what was created before them. yes, because it occurs. this is a field of hatred for their fathers, there is no rootedness in the fact that one must respect the fact that what did the previous generation do, that we are dwarfs on the shoulders of giants and unfortunately, this is how our life was arranged, what have we had since a certain time? well, almost every generation began to deny it. eh, the achievement of e his fathers in science has turned into rudeness, when e a young scientist believes that

it is not necessary to refer to his teachers, well, you need to quote western sources. if you want to get into the scopus there in popsance, we used to have this fetish and, uh, if we look at how it works, our science is this respectful attitude towards those who nearby, who worked at your university on your boat, respect for the archive , for the legacy, for the memorial library, means nightmares. i am now being brought to the faculty one by one. uh, the libraries of the dead scientists. well, the family doesn't need them. this is something that needs to be done about it. we need to somehow come up with a way to integrate it there in the collection. here, uh, only by returning to uh to the constitution to tradition yes, we can, it seems to me to acquire this decency, because it seems to me that what yegor

borisovich was talking about to people. just no decency enough for my eyes. eh, the late academician skryabin konstantinochka, who we are a teacher, he brought the library of akademikabaev to his teacher, and he said, well, no matter how mentally it is for me, that no one needs these books. they wanted to waste something there somewhere, and he took them out. and they are now our institute, which is named after him. this library has been preserved and for me it was an example of what alexey is talking about, of course. our country is rather archaic, but for example, i like it as i say it now in a good way. well in short, i mean, it's comfortable for me. i don't like competition. i don't like running all the time. i don't like xiaomi i understand that well life is finite. i understand that 20 days is the best for the audience, the best for a very magazine, but the citation period will pick up citations there for 2-3

years, then it goes down, as it were, but i will not hang with me. and if there is no happiness , then, as it were, there are a lot of such people yes , by and large, people want, well, a normal life, of course, creativity is moving forward, but this is it, constant hmm participation in progress, it is quite intense and not every person. can feel. most of the people there now do not feel happy there, which means they want to live their own, well, enough of a traditional life. but if they live a traditional life, then well, they can become less competitive society, you know the competition, then by and large. you must select one. a layer of a small number of people who will participate in this race and these people will generate, progress because in first of all, there are any means of protection from military to intellectual cultural , including then the question arises. at some point, this layer begins to work against

those people who have been singled out and supported, because these people. well, in general, they are few of them are supported by those people who can, and the second one needs to be somehow caught and not trusted. this is most of the people. yes, deep people. she delegates to these people certain powers. no more than that, it contains them, you understand, it cleans. pardon me their toilets. she feeds easily. she them, well, as if all this is part of the great labor of bread. there excuse me shooters. the oilman heals, we delegate authority, and you guys write songs for this. uh, making movies, writing books. eh, think of us. yes, this whole word is safe, protecting our certain way of life. and by and large the first, as you said, they read their poems and understand their role, and, as it were, are inspired

by this role. here is this protection elite, and the latter cannot live without them either. well, if they they will not be, as if it is clear that this is the interaction. in theory, it is ideal between tradition and it is very important that the children of these grain growers have the opportunity to come. uh, to enter the university along with children's education definitely. it is, but look. i want to return to the topic of professionalism. and i have such a hypothesis. and what for not even for universities but in general for institutes for higher-higher educational institutions. today , one of the biggest dangers is the professional program of large corporations, there is some big corporation. she takes a person to teach for 3 months, gives him a certificate for a maximum of six and, by and large, often takes him to work. hence the question, why even study for 4 years and return to the girl katya with whom we started yes, and to consciousness and perception.