she reads, well, here is the image of this main character. it seems to me that he is important. on what on but uh, she seems to be as far as possible from the bourgeois ideal of a woman. come on, what is the ideal of a woman? the ideal of a woman is, uh, a respectable, but chaste housewife, mother of the family. so she keeps at home. she is raising children. she cooks for her husband. i don’t know if there’s roast beef or cabbage soup while waiting for him from work. yes, yes, here, this is the feminine ideal that bourgeois society presents us with, as if conscious, yes, but at the same time is, but the fantasy of his unconscious. psychoanalysts call this phantasm yes, that is, it is a kind of unconscious fantasy around which the erotic is organized. not quite, but insofar as the life of the unconscious, it is generally in many ways. uh,

erotic. the main thing is that we are not always aware of this fantasy of our unconscious. and even more difficult to understand. how is our inner world. in this case, the inner world of this society. yes, organized around uh, this fantasy about this woman who is in a relationship with this the ideal wife, the mother of the family, is in a relationship of opposition and she is absolutely opposite. come on, what could be further from this one, that means the mother of a beautiful family. and let's tell a lot of shit doesn't work. she is 19 years old. she. well, you can say the profession of escort, she accompanies men to restaurants and, uh, they give her money for a toilet 150, then she collects 100 dollars and she always lives on boxes. she has friends. uh, with connections, she's always being offered

something to do, but she denies everything. well and we know that she lives without a schedule , gets up in the middle of the day, then dresses for a long time , puts on makeup, goes to a restaurant, there is a crowd around her all the time. uh men, uh, motley and uh, actually hence the question. why does such a girl attract the attention of a hero who is starting to write or why is he so fascinated by her well, i would first ask another question. and why does she so attract the attention of all these men who are circling around her, like, let's say, butterflies around a flower, not to say a little more rudely yes, and indeed, let's immediately note that the image of something wild archetypal bonnets in the interview speaks of a modern geisha. that is, we must clearly understand what it is all the same. occupation is very strong different from trading the body. yes, body trading is one

thing, this occupation is not a prostitute, of course, but uh, you can say that this temptation trades in this way to earn a body, it seduces endlessly, but virtuoso. yes, a femme fatale, of course, a woman is difficult for herself, a girl with difficult fates. yes, because difficult childhood e. in the horrendous circumstances of the rape, i mean, it's all mentioned. this is an archetypal image for bourgeois literature, but on the other hand, but it is also taken from reality, but because these women in new york around those years were described not only by hoods, yes, if we take, but henry miller's books yes, in particular roman sex famous, and there here are people like holly goylighter, there is not one, there are many such girls described, and again, we know from the interview of the hood from the memoirs of contemporaries

there from some articles that e quite a lot of women claimed to be uh, prototypes of holly goole yes, literally there each and the second would like to copy from me. we ourselves must note that truman is a documentary in general, and in fact , when you read the novel, you understand that the real prototype was still impossible to come up with so many real details of some nuances and, in general, his feature is his strong point - this precisely documentary, and it seems to me that he just found very good material for his documentary history. i think the point here is that this is a collective image after all. this is a novel and no, a documentary essay. yes, but not nunfiction. we know it's hard on the hoods of a lot of great non-fiction. there the most famous of them is uh, incold uh, murders in russian translation. and this is still roman, and it is important here that this is a collective image, in my opinion. there were just a lot of them, and

girls in real life, and you met such girls in real life. or they were only in new york in the forties. no. absolutely not, not only in new york in the forties. eh, and i met her, and with some of our amendments for our time, they live and work. uh, and now uh, the fact is that this figure, in principle, is characteristic of e-bourgeois society. yes, that is, it is precisely according to this logic that there is a conscious fantasy about an ideal woman housewife, blah blah blah and so on, and so on there is an unconscious phantasm and around which it is organized in reality, as if this subject yes, a collective subject this this society. and this phantasm is just such a tear from the urva, you understand, you understand here, uh, this is some kind of tear in the fabric of this being. she is being. it is broken into society at this place. yes, because in essence, and what does

this image tell us about. e about liberated sexuality, first of all, yes, yes, the characters separately mention that holly is not shy about anything, and even at some point, uh, she begins to count the number of her lovers and notes that there were not so many of them. holly speaks and the characters notice that the first time she was generally embarrassed was when she was talking about someone. one way or another, this is a liberated sexuality, freed from the conventions of bourgeois society, from the conventions of marriage, there and so on and so forth. further and so on, not selling the body, namely sexuality is important, right? and, that is, to some extent, this is, in principle, the idea of ​​​​freedom. ah, that is, at this point , a bourgeois society discovers that it is not free internal, but yearns for freedom, hates itself for depriving itself of this freedom, hates itself for its cynicism. and

for his duplicity and e that is why this image is connected with some tragic stories. well, the fact is that literature is still bourgeois, and it must propagandize something, yes, that is, she always has to, but this woman is still punished by someone a little different, then he is of this novel. i would say admiration. fuck than, uh. they told nastasya philippines is delighted, but to stab her, nevertheless. all the same, it is absolutely necessary not to slaughter her, you understand? well, holly is going through a disaster too. that is, as a result of her some kind of game with the mafia. she goes every thursday, uh, to the singsink prison, uh, and sends some coded messages about the weather. she gets paid for it, uh, $500 i think or well, something along these lines, there are 200 give when severance pay, well, good money good money and 43 years old. yes, and she transmits

some messages. here she is referring to the conversation. actually with a hero. and he is the only one who guesses, probably, that these are not just reports about the weather, and in the end, when she starts playing herself, she tries to become a good wife and mother, but conditionally. yes, she is pregnant, she is ready, and she cooks different dishes at home, she is goto. expecting a baby for the wedding. and in general, uh, so to speak, refuses, one might say, from his lifestyle plans to move to some other status, because a catastrophe happens. i'm being arrested. she should fly away in disgrace. e in rio de janeiro, and it is clear that for a new yorker to fly to rio de janeiro is like flying from moscow to siberia . yes. and it's a shame you know the scandalousness of breakfast at tiffany's, after all, well

, novels of course, in that the punishment frame is something completely different. ah, well the artistic frame is that in at the beginning they find out that she is in africa yes, and in general somehow here she travels around africa , they remember, a bartender and actually a hero, who you saw her in many accompaniments of some expedition, and some kind of portraits are drawn from her there, here. well, it looks like holly agrees. they are with each other. well, for sure , it turns out that the scandalous thing is that and why is she not punished, or something, but how does it happen? she should, like, sit and cry for being so bad, and sitting means bad behavior. she travels in africa some men. this is a terrible scandal. these are horrors. a nightmare should not be like this, and in this scandalousness of this text, here in general you think that truman

hoods some kind of slap in the face of society and is being deduced. yes, and in this sense, he is a predecessor. uh, already the next generation of writers and beatniks, uh, all kinds of kiruacs, uh, and so on and so forth paves the way for them, but of course, this is a slap in the public taste. yes, and the image of the narrator. yes, uh yes, let's say two things about him, that a, firstly, a is transparent it is hinted that she refers to the people of moonlight, yes, lost to women. yes, and on the other hand, the narrator himself says that he , as it were, is now running away from mobilization, both of these, of course, make him an absolute outcast for the american society of the 40-40s. yes, he is absolutely not patriotic at all and an outcast of the outcast, not uh, causing contempt, do not look. yes, it is not clear how they earn money, doing some kind

of creativity, which no one prepares yet and no one pays, but let's note that this is what brings him closer to holly, of course, these are two outcasts, two outsiders, two outsiders. yes, two places are the scandals of this society. yes, this woman is a tearaway and a young man without a certain occupation, a yesterday's sorority and only such a storyteller, and this heroine can earn trust and can, but reliably tell about her, but, because any other buildup. it would be unreliable, we will start with the fact that they understand it. she does not perceive him when the bull is in the first place, because he is lost to women, and secondly, he is not rich. that is, she can be sincere with him open, and he knows her real, that is, not her mask, with which, relatively speaking, she hunts. yes, and her as a person who let him in. he is close. maybe, e, to describe it, the fact of the matter is that no one

else could describe it; no one else understands it. you understand her, only he, because he is also in a situation . here is the opposition, but to this bourgeois society and its ideals, but i would not say that they directly oppose themselves to ideals, because they are already hanging out in clubs and expensive alcohol. they enjoy, in my opinion, let's say, uh, successful, but the lifestyle of successful rich people. they are at least imitating it already. i think in particular. it seems to me that it is fundamental that, and they are both in this structure, but are in the same position. this brings them closer. this allows them to understand each other and that is why this narrator. or maybe tell about it plainly yes, with understanding. his ability is good melodies, there is no competition

in the 20th century, a genius, it is necessary to write to work to work, because this is what is realized right at the level of the disease. it's a sickness. it's necessary to write. did she really come to moscow and return to a country where she was definitely waiting for him? two or not the best performers of that time of the material about coffee were very good , they performed it, how no one was paid, like no crayfish. listen to this and it concerns you never pay attention to people's remarks. the complaints that were not presented to me went to a too independent disposition to some kind of excessive originality, which already, as it were, went off scale for the decent image of the soviet composer at breakfast. prokofiev learned that this is the second formalist in the country, and the formalist was , in fact, an enemy, people, i’ll show myself a five-time cavalier of the stalinist tribe, rakofiev, our

tomorrow on first this is a must- read podcast. i am aglaya on batnikova, director , writer, host of a podcast, visiting me. vadim levintal, writer and literary critic. we are talking about truman's affair with tiffany's breakfast, i also want to draw attention to the fact that holly, in general, does not behave very nicely, that is, a friend comes trying to take away the gentlemen and holly while she goes to the toilet informs everyone with the help of ephemism that she has a venereal disease. eh, this is a bad deed , ugly, and there this life and on boxes e is not necessary if the ability to handle things is the inability to handle money. that's all. e, in general, not pretty, but nevertheless e we see that by the end of the book.

for example, i already cried sympathy. to holly how kind and generous she is, what a wonderful person she is. and in general, some of its qualities are manifested. yes, generosity courage. here in what deeds in what things, that is, what is this optics of the author manifested in, uh, allowing us to see in her a wonderful kind person, firstly, she knows how to make friends. yes, she’s friends with a storyteller, who tells us all this, she loves animals in the end, and in the end she loves animals in many ways. sincerely in their manifestations. yes, she says that, uh, how i differ from other women, then i am still each of my men. i try to fall in love with such a recognition. i would suggest, uh, a thought experiment. here you are say, so, here, she does not know how to handle money there blah blah blah. and let's try to build from the contrary. yes , it means a woman who knows how to handle money, and an economy that means

stands firmly on her feet knows what she wants, always tells the truth. uh, never sets his own. mugs there and so on and so on so on. and about such a woman you can write roman well, how can you, right? well, try to remember at least one roman e, in which , as it were, that heroine, who now represents this one, would be told. official bourgeois ideal. after all, you can’t think of a single one, there is one in which a woman becomes natasha rostova yes, at this moment the novel ends. nothing to say next. well, firstly, there is nothing to tell, and secondly, there is still a mention of the word female, that is , some. here she will stop yes, yes, yes, yes. well holly we are fortunately invisible in this state. we see how she tries to enter it, but then the situation throws her away, how away the champagne and in the end she remains, uh, in this, by the way, now the movie, because in

film, she is. well, as it were , it lands on this correct lane. yes, all this is according to a in the book she, on the contrary , breaks away into the third cosmic one. let's discuss the movie. ah, how it differs from the book in the book there is no love story between the narrator, uh and uh, the heroines between them are friendly love friendship. i would say that friendship is admiration, but in no way and there are no yes yes, there are no erotic experiences in this sense, but in the film they tell us a story, well, relatively speaking, cinderella yes, like, i met the principle of such a moment that uh breakfast at tiffany's in the film is some kind of almost product placement tiffany they hang out in this store open some boxes. and by the way, i’m not a film critic, but i’m sure that this store paid for everything there, that it paid for everything in the store, but the fact is that in

the book itself, in the novel itself. uh, breakfast does not exist in typhus, like a certain. since heaven is for holly and why does she tell fred about this heaven, she calls the heroes fred after her beloved brother, that is, she says, i will call you fred no matter what you are your name will be fred, and now she conditionally shares our fred with him, and her intimate experiences, because she becomes depressed. she has seizures, then longing she calls it climb on the wall, and only then we understand where it comes from, because she had a difficult childhood. yes, she generally wandered around potehas, ran away from home. and here is tiffany for her a place where there is a calm place that saves her from depression. she arrives there and lets her go. and i think it's completely different than what we see in the film where we see just in the

jewelry store. yes, it's not played at all. well , it seems to me that the important thing here is that this very store is, in principle, sort of. the fact that the image of her is, in principle, a bourgeois paradise. this is what a bourgeois paradise looks like. you come, and there it means, uh, they sell you. uh, expensive. and you have money in this area, yes, they sell for a high price, which means that all sorts of beautiful things are a dream. give yourself, there carry coffee with you. this is a bourgeois paradise. and here the important thing is that when she talks about it here climb the wall, they are the narrator, but he remembers the word ankst. yes, angst. a word from the philosophy of heidager, actually, well, let's not confuse the audience here anymore, but let's just say one thing, that a is in accordance with the philosophy of heidager. this is the feeling of august. eh, it is something that gives birth, generally speaking , consciousness. yes, that is, outside, but this thing that it is called leaves on the wall of consciousness cannot be. and what does this mean that

there can be no bourgeois paradise, where there is no angst, and there can be no consciousness. as if vegetables, yes, and that's why, in the book, we're rather happy for her that she ended up in africa? yes, there are payments. well, who does not want to travel around africa means spending the night in a hut in africa. and that's it. it also seems extreme to me, and on the other hand, how objectively sad is the finale of the film, when we understand that, well , everything will never happen to this heroine again in life. it's just that she's become boring, so now she's going to be a soup pot. yes himself big and so until the end of life a and b surrounded. so these jewelry and so on and so on, what well, there is nothing more to tell about you. but about the one that travels around africa , we feel that there can be a few more seconds a few seconds. yes? yes, vadim do you think this is an autobiographical novel that

is? well, to be honest, i did not study the detailed biography of the hood. you have to think that, probably, maybe, why not. we again protrum, on the hood, we know that he is a great artist, but he is also a great journalist. yes, he wrote a lot of books. just documented. yes, and books in cold blood - this is a documentary novel orders. indeed, quite a place for a rather loud and famous murder, but terribly cruel, in fact, such murders happen in america and not only in america, but one such is not one, but the hoods in this book are issued through one this is a murder through a description of this town a description of all these characters. well, that is, living people, yes, and those who were killed by these two young people of the murders. he spins their biographies. yes, and so on and so forth, but he shows. this there is he from the particular e, goes back to the general. yes

, he shows, in general, how it works. this is american society. and tomorrow tiffany has the same technique from particular to general. yes, you are absolutely right. it seems to me that in this sense, tomorrow at tiffany's it is also such a photograph of the society e in many ways, and at dryhabern. it looks like this character. how do you associate it, after all, the film shot one way or another, after all, it became, uh, material for a hollywood film. this classic film is also important because, again, since it is so popular, it is obvious that ah, this is some kind of a very important fantasy, again, yes, for people who watch and watch this film . another thing is that it seems to me that this is still a separate work of holly , of course, completely different than? well , of course, such a sheep, she is, as it were , hovering in the clouds. and that's just what i don't have. here is this predatory nothing uh, not dangerous.

yes, baby fawn that's right, and his eyes are like that. well, holly has a terrible past at some point, fred noticed that some suspicious man of fifty years was following her on the street. uh starts uh with it get closer to find out what's going on and this man, uh, tells him that it turns out holly is his wife. he is the farmers of the stichas, and she is his wife, whom he married at the age of 13 and they call her the moon she was. and he already had many, many children of his own. uh, and he says, looking for my mistress. here and uh, the characters find out that it turns out that holly's name is really luna. so uh, holly unexpectedly meets with love this ex-husband of hers. she, that is, we assume that she can be at all pretend that

she does not know him, yes, because some simple person. uh, maybe just dressed there . it smells very good, it smells like manure, and here holi, who can be said, e , rotates in the company of hollywood stars and producers. uh, in the best clothes, very fashionable famous, so to speak, itl and, but suddenly we see , quite unexpectedly for me, at least that she throws herself on the neck of this ex-husband of hers , consoles him, spends the night with him, escorts him to the bus, tries to explain to you, that she is no longer a lulamey, but it seems to me that pretty such a touching trait, but i just wanted to get back, that i can't imagine audrey hepburn as a texas farmer. it’s completely different from this woman on the screen, you can see that she didn’t experience all these horrors. yes, yes, yes, yes , i wanted to mention something else.

uh, there is an interesting twist there, that holly, uh, is still as in dealing with men. i consider a virtuoso and this manifests itself, by the way, including uh, and in the fact that when this man leaves her, whom she chose her husbands , after learning that her reputation was ruined by the arrest and he is a diplomat due to his connection with the mafia, and he urgently leaves without saying goodbye, leaving her some kind of terrible letter, uh, and she is in the hospital , because she has a miscarriage due to nerves and comes to her. uh, fred brings this letter. she tells him. i need to make up my lips, because a girl cannot read such letters. eh, no yes. yes. well, not only is it stupid, there, in general, she puts on makeup for a long time before reading this letter. well , when she reads this letter, when it is clear that he left her and never. will not

appear again, but writes god forbid all the best writes to you and your child. he is actually the father of this child. and here she is reading this and i was completely shocked by what she says. well, what a rat, but i loved him, and that's it. and there is no more talk about him. that is, she instantly forgets about it. uh, that is, after the blow, she gets up, dusts herself off and runs with a cheerful gait. i couldn't go further. it's so easy, for example, to forget a man, even if he hurt a scoundrel, but holly absolutely shocks me. she is, in general, a samurai in the feminine sense, well, yes, to live with wolves go out like a wolf. and how else to survive in this e- cynical world, which will arrange according to the principle man to man, a dead wolf. today i am tomorrow, because these are the key principles of, uh, that same capitalism, the torch that the united states brought through the entire twentieth century. may it not survive. i don’t have any

beautiful soul there, uh, i don’t know, the heroine of some soviet book. yes, now it does not occur to some such a beautiful, stuffy idealist there, yes, who, for ideals, is there for public goods, there and so on and so forth. he doesn’t have it instantly, as if rolled up in asphalt, eat to survive, you can only survive on such a moderate amount of cynicism, but he still loves the kitten. and also a kitten. you see, she, uh, is trying to pretend that she doesn’t care about this kitten, like he doesn’t have a name, you don’t have a name, and in general fate brought us together. i am not attached to him, and then, it turns out that he is attached, that is. you see here is such a dichotomy on the one hand. she is cynical and tries to be cynical on the other side. it does not always work. that's all the same its nature, and initially it is a kind person, such as by nature are kind. yes, but it still breaks through. she generally sees a name, she doesn’t give the cat and the heroes don’t call by name. that is,

she tries not to become attached to people, probably, instead of weakness, of course, to cover her stomach for you. what is the name holly galightly? have you read the novel in the original? yes , in english. what do you think, i read this book in russian, uh, i read the incublat in english at one time, and well, a hooligan laser for anyone who understands english it is obvious. explain holly's word yes. yes, let's say that this is the name that she took for herself, this is her pseudonym, which she herself came up with, a woman, a holiday a woman is a holiday, but is she naked? hmm and i would say so, if you approach translation creatively. this is something like your importation. well, that is, a person with whom it is easy to communicate, there is an outcast. and here she is for these men of hers, she is so naked. that is, e, no need to strain, everything is fine. i am my own, well, that is, they are predators, yes, and

an predator in this aquarium, she is a piranha i also wanted to talk about the fact that this novel was a breakthrough for the hold on the hoods. yes, he made him famous. and why do you think his early works were not noticed, maybe it's in the image of this and holly, maybe he really met such a girl, and she became his muse. it seems to me that there was most likely no one particular girl, most likely the image is collective. he just saw a lot of these girls. well, because there are too many of them in real life, then they raised their hands and shouted that it was me, it was me, it was me, well, somehow so she even filed a lawsuit, because they really had a surname golaev, well, what outwardly she was completely different from her, she was not even familiar. well there, well, when 20 women

come out and say it's a prototype. i obviously have a collective image. and by the way, let's just say in a forwarding way that, well, some features, in fact, a biography, and this very heroine. this features a biography of truman hoods' mother. yes , this is a difficult childhood, early marriage is such pies for a teenager girl, generally traumatic, but at the age of 13, and very early uh, independent life, and a lonely independent life in a big city, in my opinion, is also in new york. i remember exactly now, maybe he took the traits of his mother precisely in order to get this holly on her. and here is the figurative pedestal. you could say that, maybe, uh, anyway anyway. the luck of the hood is that but this collective image hit the mark, yes, that is, it really

reproduced as much as possible, convincing as closely as possible some very important uh story for the uh unconscious of this very different society. that is, if it hadn’t been for the bullseye, well, the book would not have had such a success, yes, but the book’s success for it is always ensured by some problematic wound hitting the bullseye, where it generally fester bleeds. and now, when a writer or an artist in the broadest sense, yes, sticks his first society like that, but this cannot be ignored and we remember for a long time, and this seems to be the problem, that this is exactly such a woman otorva and these opposite wives. eh, that's it, she calls. without desire it's a problem that you, uh, consciously declare one thing,

and the unconscious. your fantasy is completely different, guys. you are bipolar. well, as now he writes on the internet of these of yours yes, but it’s not possible, as if praying for an icon, and like turning away, uh, to perform some other actions with dirty pictures. yes, that is a contradiction. this is cynicism, this is duplicity. yes, that is, duplicity within this, and society and it destroys it from the inside. yes, and i want to remove this contradiction, insincerity is felt in this. well, okay. vadim will round off. if something you want to mention something separately to say. i'd maybe, uh, say something was off for blood murder. why is this novel interesting? and what is described there? well, the book cold-blooded murder can be a very long time to speak. it seems to me that this is the best book under the hood and may be one of the best american books of the 20th century. and maybe

the best non-fiction ever written. yes? let's say this with a metaphor. yes, here, who watched lynch's films, for example, there is blue velvet yes, there is blue velvet opens the frame. uh, the camera is flying ideal american towns. yes, here are one-story americans, which means they are toy houses, they tried to eat such colored cars. this means bushes. someone is watering. so, these bushes with water, in general , everything is just perfect. everything is fine. then the camera descends descends descends descends into the grass. and there, as it were, is a carpet. yes , and it turns out, it turns out that under the carpet something is noticed there, well, that give pipes that devour each other. there's just friends running cold. goosebumps in the back and in full horror, because yes, behind the wrong side of this tried under the carpet. uh, real

nightmares and real horrors are swept away. that is, he is talking about the hoods about the inside out. yes, right. i think yes, yes, yes, yes, under the rug, yes, yes, yes, and this is his tool and his success is his success, but also great art, because after all, stas has such a passion with such talent to open ulcers and ulcers of bourgeois society. few who succeeded, yes, and oh, terribly fascinating , because you just can’t tear yourself away from reading. and most importantly, in the end you sympathize. even this killer. of course, they are still scum bastards, there and so further and so on. well, you just understand how they became such scum. do you understand logic? yes and at this moment you are seized by real horror, because in a different logic and in other patterns. these same guys could be, i don’t know , polar explorers, space explorers e pilots well in one. thank you for talking. thank

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