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boris kuznetsov venture investor co-founder of venture funder satom futurologist colonization of the moon exploration of mars construction of new objects in space today we will talk about modern projects and plans, how realistic they are. well, the first question for you is eugene. tell us about your activities and how it is connected with space. of course, i am far away, but , unfortunately, i did not manage to visit it in the literal sense , i am endlessly, of course, jealous. yes , for now i hope so far, yes, but it so happened that one way or another , almost all life is connected with space. so. uh, like at first, how scientists wanted to do space, but the last few years have been about 15 years. i am engaged in evening investments. venture investments are investments in technology. moreover, technologies that are just emerging. that is, it’s still too early to talk about them, as it were, but in contrast, here it’s just right. and it so happened that cosmos got into the sphere of venture investments, just

for the last 10-15 years. well, from the moment the first investors invested in valonomask in bezos and in others, but large well-known companies. over the past 10 years , venture investments in space have already become quite an active trend; already several thousand companies have been invested. and there i looked at fresh data of more than 270 billion dollars were given to these companies and the private space industry. it can be said that it has taken place, that is, they are already, and in terms of price-quality ratio they are even ahead of the classic projects created. well, it competes at the same level, then it competes, of course, very well. that's why, through this prism, through this here, access to venture deals. i look at what is happening, that is, ah , what is the point of venture investments, you invest a little money now , the company then develops and becomes big and big in 10, and now you see what it invests in, so it

was literally there 10 years ago. and when i was talking about some things about space investments in russia , they were somehow very skeptical about this there, for example, the space internet or something else. and now it is already clear that this is a major industry that has taken place, so when i look now, what they are investing in now. i can also, with some certainty, uh, see what will happen in 5-10 years. uh, never with 100% unfortunately, getting married is always a huge amount of risk. here, hence the venture. that is there even to say that most of the companies are invested. she doesn't take off. it's a common story, but the ones that take off, they bring in enough money to make up for it all. you invest, uh, money, look for aha projects that you are interested in at all. eh, were there? russian projects that you yes you know to invest. we are in our time. it was back in the fourteenth year, together with the agency for strategic initiatives. i then worked in

the russian venture company, they launched it like this called the national technology initiative. this is a program to find and support promising startups in russia, and we have created several working groups there. one of such working groups. uh, space net. just about space, by the way, sergey zhukov is there, uh, he fuels everything. here, for sure, you know, yes , yes, so, ah, we looked, well, quite a lot, several dozens, if not hundreds of russian startups, and some of them, uh, are still of great interest. i'm a few uh, one of them almost invested, but just an investment process. it is always such that a lot of phases need to go through and the deal does not always come off, but here are some. i 'm still watching, for example. associated with ground infrastructure, because it will always be needed, and so on. well, here are some of the startups that i liked the most. it was like, uh,

a startup related to, uh, printing organs in space 3d printing. solutions is a startup made by yusuf khesuani a cool startup and he flew to orbit if i'm not mistaken in the eighteenth year, and they printed, but the pancreas, or rather, the thyroid gland of the mouse was successfully printed and returned to the ground, in general it was a very interesting story that the americans were also in a hurry to do this and there was a real race, who was the first will launch a 3d printer and the first launch was unsuccessful, but they made it in time because the rocket exploded. yes, yes, yes, here. but they are, because the printers refused. no. no, it's from a rocket. yes, but they did not have time for the next one, which means that they still turned out to be the first. yes, like this provocative question. why do we need a 3d bioprinter in space at all? very, but now they are looking for. what unique goods can be made in space, because, well, a completely different environment is expensive to fly and so on, uh, organ printing, just one of these areas,

because, well, let's take the heart, for example, and it is jelly in it has a lot of air 3d printer. how does it work, it prints layer after layer, if it prints on the ground, uh, this layer then the cells will fall, and it won’t print full organs, or you have to put some kind of substrate, then somehow it is difficult to take it out, but in weightlessness such a problem. no, he can lay out cell after cell until he has built such a complete organ and the heart is already quite capable. well, this is now all a debatable story, because, and everyone is looking for, and in space it is some way to produce something important life that cannot be produced on earth, this is now microelectronics biology pharmaceuticals. after space became more accessible, now a lot has rushed. uh, such experiments to install and everyone is waiting for such a blockbuster that it will be profitable to produce there and for this it is already possible to build industrial large stations. that is, it turns out that we are harmful to people in space. well, weightlessness

unfortunately, it has a detrimental effect on the human body. we are looking at how to direct it the other way around, and the direction we are pasture from weightlessness, as far as i know, is really very much now, but there are a lot of questions in medicine. but this, uh, you probably know better, and at least there were various discussions. unfortunately, the materials for example, that a number of tumors in weightlessness behave differently, perhaps even respond better to therapy, and so on. that is, everyone is looking for such an uh option to find, but the plus of weightlessness, namely minus evgeny and now what domestic projects do you support now we are investing in a stop in a project related to artificial intelligence, huh? or with such a new energy, such as energy based on electric vehicles there , and so on. that is what is now very rapidly developing. by the way, we have one of of our projects is connected. e with robots. e, which are able to perform their work without special programming. it's a very

cool story, because programming usually takes the most, uh, labor. it is very long and expensive. here , every movement of the robot is programmed, and such a robot, right under the drawing, can do everything and it turns out that it does. it's like a man in speed and better than a man in quality. that's just in space. i think such robots will find all applications, because now it will be necessary to build a lot there objects. what do you think, when e will come, the moment when e will be created in space and the industrial church, that is, we will produce it on an industrial scale. do you know? and it seems to me that we are very close to this, but because space exploration has historically. in my opinion there were two problems. one problem is the ability to do something. that is, well, to put enough material into orbit to make something large and for a long time, it was expensive, but now there is a sharp reduction in cost, and the cost of delivering cargo by the orbit, that is, almost 10 times, also happened and possibly another 10 times before the end

of the decade. and, of course, this greatly facilitates the ability to throw into the orbit, there are cargo, people, and so on, but on the other hand, when we solve the problem of opportunity, the problem of need arises. and what to do in orbit, what is all this for? and before it was such a problem, chickens and eggs , and the absence of the first led to the fact that it did not develop, the second, that is, it is still expensive. why experiment, but now, when delivery becomes cheap, and an explosion begins directly, and attempts to do different experiments. here are a lot of startups, including russian ones, they offer to create semi-autonomous laboratories that can be put into orbit and there , to experiment, return something to the ground and see what happens. for example, china they picked up one technology that we didn’t develop. chris was taken to orbit and their crops grew well after that, therefore, it’s quite possible that this is what used to be such bold experiments someday it will become just such a routine task to use space there. seven

features for some technologies. here. eh, now it's hard to say when all these two trajectories will converge into one, because cheaper prices will require another 10 years or 15 years of work. but the search for cost-effective production in space will also take, probably, somewhere the same 10-15 years, so everyone looks at somewhere in the thirties-thirty-fifth year, as the year of such a big breakthrough, when it will already be clear how build a large orbital station and understandable. for what build it? i took tomato seeds with me. uh-huh, uh, they told me that these tomatoes were still at mir station, they were exhibited there for half a year or about a year. i exposed for another half a year and it turned out that the cured tomatoes are much better. much more resistant than those that, uh, the same seeds from the same 7 months that were on the ground, right? with age, changes can change habitual things tufun created to nourish the restoration

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the moon, you know, it seems to me that it is very important to speak now. and ah, because if before it was exclusively such a political one, it was somehow ambitious. whoever sticks the first flag, there and so on, now it turns out that the moon is a key element in further space exploration. the fact is that indeed, no matter how much we reduce the cost of launching from the ground. all the same, a huge amount of cargo is needed, but in space somehow to get it from somewhere, and cargo in the simplest, for example, and water, for example, the same oxygen, and the same diverse metal. there is iron to the titans and so on and carry them from the ground. it will still be expensive in space. all this is there, and everything is on the moon, but launching from the moon is worth it, well, it is much cheaper, much less fuel is needed there. well, that is, a huge rocket takes off from the earth, and a small landing module takes off from the moon. there. uh, there is one sixth of gravity yes, yes,

yes, it seems that gravity is six times less fuel is needed there, tens of hundreds of times less, that is, it is much easier to do it there, especially since lunar fuel. maybe the same water split into hydrogen. and now your engine is refueled and it turns out that the moon is turning into a serious infrastructure facility. there you can extract fuel, you can extract life for important substances, you can extract metals , all this can be delivered to the orbit and large structures can be assembled from this. farms, and some shields there, protected there, so that meteors do not pierce all this can be transported from the moon, you are talking about water, yes , which on the moon, as far as i know, it has not been proven that there is water there, but on the moon a, possibly in two forms. the first is classic ice, and now there are a lot of experiments going on, including chinese american ones trying to find these ice deposits, primarily in e, polar e

craters where the sun never looks, and there it is quite possible that ice has been preserved in its original form. water, in general cosmic uh, substance. he was even brought to earth by comets by and large, but this is a hypothesis. and the fact that it is precise that in the lunar soil in the regalite water is contained simply in the form, well , hydroxide and everything else, that is, it is contained in the form of minerals from these minerals , it can be mined in russia, by the way, there is a wonderful laboratory in mrs. ah, who learned to extract water from e, just here is rigalite and similar substances. right now, just around this, there is a race going on, that is, who will be the first to be able to get, and water from rigalite, first of all, weightlessness , and secondly, without involving any earthly energy, that is, using either solar energy or some kind of electricity obtained from solar batteries. here is the first one who will receive it, consider that he has received, uh, the opportunity to move on to the industrial production of water on the moon, that is , we have already begun to talk about lunar bases. yes, what

do you think, what problems will we face well, humanity during construction. well, we all know the problems. you know, better than me is, of course, another gravity and radiation first of all. there a we are not protected by the atmosphere with a very weakly protected magnetic field, that is, there are very harmful conditions. well, there are many very specific problems on the moon, for example, this famous moon dust, which has the ability to crawl absolutely everywhere, uh, and it is unlike our dust. eh, she's never weathered earth dust. it is so smooth, but the micro particles are smooth, and everything is spicy there. that is, when it sits on the skin, it scratches there, it’s very hard, yes, that is, it’s all very, uh, hostile, unfavorable environment. and how to survive there for a long time is not just for a couple of days to fly there, then back. eh, how to catch my breath to cross myself, and it's all over. and how do you fly away for a year?

even in orbit, it's hard to spend a year, she's not there with all the problems. unless gravity will be a little easier, so everyone is discussing it now. how to build these space bases? well, one thought is to somehow dig deeper so that there are rocks. protected from e looking for caves. yes, yes, yes caves to yes abroad is easier. yes absolutely exactly here but there is options, such as construction. i 've seen such projects, including russian ones , here, but at samara university. uh, a project was made to 3d print building blocks from rigalites. that is, they crush it. then they turn it directly from what you take under your feet and make blocks. well, water is just needed there , because it must be said to fasten the heat, but there i don’t know the details of the technology, but for sure it will be needed. and now, from them, to add up such buildings of some kind already, and so further, then it is necessary to build large fields of solar batteries. and how will they work there? the winds are good there. no, but the dust

still sometimes rises. and how she sits down, how to wash her a million technical in general , domestic issues. well, surely the astronauts in orbit also solved not only scientific problems, but also a lot of everyday issues. i remember, for example, the task itself. another physical load in space, it also did not immediately solve it, it took a long time to solve it so that adequate load was not a problem, yes or solve it. how decide? yes, yes, yes, that's why the moon, it 's as good as a goal, but when you get to it, there are a million problems to arise, so it's a must to try it with your hands. why is the question that it is necessary to fly, be sure to set up a base there. well, already further to solve problems as they arise, for example, when the base starts building, as it were. well, i'm hoping that before the thirtieth year the base will appear literally, that's 7 years. well , after all, it’s technical, it’s possible already now, that is , there are rockets that can reach the moon. uh, the first base is. well, how to say a trial one, it can be quite similar in design

to an orbital station, that is, the same modules, well, there it can be covered with something to hide it. this is a technical issue. but already there, when such a base appears. now the experiments of building everything else and so on will begin. well, to build a base and then mine industrial production. uh. yeah, the resources that are just in the bowels of the moon will need other astronauts. not like me i don't know astronaut geologist, yes astronaut driller astronaut who manages the robotic system that will uh recycle send it to some i don't know, probably a new training center. astronauts are needed specifically for that. well, i think that anyway, the main thing for the cosmonaut is not the earthly profession, but the space profession, that is, the ability to survive stress. i can't get any problem solved. it seems to me that the main thing in an astronaut. so, as for the basic specialties, you need to prepare there already. e people who understand the dialogue? well

and you absolutely correctly noticed that the main thing, perhaps, the competence will be the ability to work with robotic robots. they are progressing incredibly fast. that is, as a person who invests in robots, i can say that there is a phenomenon there. progress is that robots are becoming very smart, but in a literal sense, that is, here is the news of the last month that a robot already communicates with people in such a way that people simply don’t understand with whom they communicate, and m-m. they become just as smart at engineering tasks. that is, they can decide very many questions. there is no need to program on the spot. he'll figure it out quite well. what to do? therefore, i think that by the time we bring our space technology to the ability to build a base on the moon, then the robots that will go there themselves will drill the problem will not be any space at all - it's like. uh, they say, astronauts, a separate culture and even a culture of thinking, so you need to somehow move in this direction, too, because if before it was all theories and reasoning about the distant future in galaxies far, far away, now these are

already business plans. that is, now, if you want to have in the thirtieth year, uh, at least a part of the lunar base on the moon, you need to design it right now. yesterday, for example, yes, yes, mortgage money, yes, yes. well, how about an example? ah, now it is developing very rapidly. this whole energy revolution, one of its elements is hydrogen cells , that is, hydrogen hydrogen, like fuel, there are hydrogen cells for cars for some kind of chemistry, and so on for all these industrial ones. uh, products need platinum, uh platinum on the ground. uh, very limited . we all know it, because darling that it is not enough, but i don’t know platinum there, let’s say 10 times more, if such demand is applied to the current market, its value flies 10 times up and the economy will never converge, but in the past the first experiment was undertaken. i really don't know through the results, because i think they delayed the launch. it will probably happen this year, but at first they were on the ground,

they tried a little by trying to extract from behind the construction, but the substance is platinum. here is such the americans want to do an experiment if it will get, uh, how to say flying to asteroids to the moon, ed. substances will become the norm, and the moon is generally a very interesting object from the point of view of geology , various asteroids fell into it. and when an asteroid hits. he , well, just scatters all the substances there. well, literally dig them there with a scoop there a little bit deep there for a meter. here you lived. went and now the main question is to reconnoiter as quickly as possible, because the same law is in the same place, mm, who flew in first from that place of birth. by the way, this is a separate interesting question. someone will find a field, a station will be set up, someone will fly in, someone will set it up nearby, nothing is in vain to dig together. a very interesting question is forbidden directly. somehow generally will be regulated hmm lasts 20 seconds, it would seem so little, but not for sars viruses got into

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billionaire flew to me for 12 days, and he said that he had already paid for the ticket in the first crew that would fly. well, he will fly around the moon, that is. here it is sauna masks for you to work in the next project is no longer roskosmos but nasa almask. uh-huh what are the prospects for tourism? there, too, to invest money, you know, i'm here. eh, i confess for a long time i treated space tourism as such a frivolous fun. well, like, some billionaires are spending money, but recently my position is beginning to change, firstly, as the industry develops, there is a fairly significant price reduction, that is. well, if we do not talk about today, but about the end of the decade there, then, in principle, it will, of course, be very, very expensive tourism. well, for us, yes for ordinary people, but it will be comparable to expensive types of tourism on earth. that's why space tourism is becoming available, the second thing that makes me very reassuring is that it's going pretty well. much work has been done to find medical

feasibility for being in zero gravity or in reduced gravity. so far, everyone is looking at the cosmos as risks. well, that is, here is radiation, low gravity degradation is not for a person, as a dangerous environment, openly speaking. yes, but, uh, now they are looking for some reasons to still hang out in this environment. here you probably know there was a completely famous american twins experiment. yes, they didn’t launch gemini and one gemini spent 7 days in orbit, and the other spent, in my opinion, 450 years. yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you know that, and then they compared the length of the telomeres of the telomere. these are the terminal sections of dna that are responsible for its ability to divide without errors and as cells divide in our body. these sections are shortened. and when it becomes, a very

short cell stops dividing, uh, it gets old and dies, and it turned out that an astronaut was flying in orbit. uh, those telomeres are longer than someone who flew sorry, and telomere lengthening is one of the proven ways to prolong life, health, and so on, it is clear that, probably, the dangers of flying into space, while these benefits greatly outweigh these benefits, but who knows, and at least before it was such a rather exotic entertainment. and now quite a lot of experiments. that is, now it is necessary to study the mouse to fly to the iss. but quite a lot of companies are now making semi-autonomous modules, they launched this mouse. she chatted there for a week, went down to you and delivered. yes, yes or fly, yes, and looked, what happened to her there, that is, with a sharp increase in the availability of space. i hope that a lot of new medical reasons will appear. and now, if the cosmos turns into a therapeutic justified procedure. that's when it will be completely. conversation, well, on my own i can say, my

pressure is, as it were, normal on earth, sometimes 130 140. and that is, this is such a wake-up call to my doctors. they follow everything there clearly. but in space, for half a year , this is always how the cosmonaut reached 120. i can say this for sure. that's great. here this is great news. here is for us cosmonauts e. the moon is presented as such a platform in order to work out our landing systems, well, let's say landings in general, this is our goal now is not the moon. astronauts have a goal of mars so that a person can land there to work, take some samples and return. well, that's it, just as historically it was difficult for your opinion, what awaits us further after the moon mars. in general, do you need to go to mars, you know? this is uh a very interesting question, uh, with no definitive answer. he keeps changing this answer. on really. i understood the history of space financing. this is also a very important issue, no money. there is no such flight, right? and e

mars at one time played a little evil service, because, as it were, when they began to talk about mars, a lot of questions began to arise. and why do we need mars and at that time there were no answers. that is, the americans flew to the moon. they were late for courage, and they were the first to fly into space. they had to somehow prove, yes, and they spent a lot of money, the most expensive scientific program in the history of mankind, so that on courage to fly first, and now, when they did not fly first to the moon and their own accountants there, there are senators to the north. well, okay. you guys have landed. so what is next. why do you need march? they recruited from there, but, by the way, they had more flights planned for these opals. that is, there are not 18 there, there are 17, yes, but there were much more and they really stopped, because the money ran out further. and what is there to do next? again, pour it out again to strike? yes, we already jumped and rode the rover, and indeed this is a historical fact, and now the question arises. why was this question not raised in march? diet for the answer to be, well, here's

a classic that humanity needs to push the boundaries of what is achievable. yes, mars is just the closest planet. maybe there is nothing interesting in it, but after it we can move further in the solar system. well, sometime, and when some claire is sitting , some ministry of finance, he looks at it, that's what he says, well , boys, i understand everything, you want to, but we don’t have money and starts with a conversation. and i came across not only accountants, but also you know, with such political activists who, for example, say there, but why do you spend money on this for people to get sick. we have a climate here, that is, there is always water, there is enough of it. we have on earth. e is. uh, a lot of problems where you can spend your billions of dollars, and therefore for a very long time mars just played a bad role for astronautics, because he did not explain in any way. why are we spending this money, then a mask appeared, he came up with a completely crazy idea. he said, so know the land. you can ditch, but on all mankind will survive, and

oddly enough, it opened up, because as we see people, for example, with the climate. the same can screw up a little. and therefore, indeed, yes, ecology, yes, therefore , to screw up from the planet and, as it turns out, it is possible, and even then human life will be cut short , people will disappear, as a species, you need to have some kind of alternate airfields. and here on this crazy idea suddenly drove as well, because somehow people really thought about the truth. why not? let's get some penny, well, there's some billion dollar we'll spend it. but we will have an alternate airfield, and therefore i can say that if we take pure economic models, i still look at this problem, not so much as a romantic of salt, as a financier, yes, in terms of money, mars is still not really needed on mars, there is almost nothing that is not on the earth, the moon or asteroids, but plus still there is gravity more than on the moon, that is, you need to get fuel from there, so

the environment is aggressive there, and they are always aggressive. yes, there is not radiation belts there, er, there, in my opinion, almost more than the radiation of the moon. that is , there, as it were, not a very good place, it turns out that mars is still in question. but the moon, on the contrary, immediately acquired many advantages, because, firstly, it is closer, secondly, they have everything we need and thirdly, if we really want to fly to mars, then let's not launch from the earth there are eight launches of the car , six each. older in order to bring to orbit the right amount of fuel to fly on mars and let's deliver the same amount from the moon in one launch, and instead of six launches, you will have two, one in the earth, one lunar. and now you are already on mars, the economy immediately suddenly acquires. e meaning, and therefore in my some personal kind. i think that we will first begin to explore the moon and near-earth asteroids, because they are from the point of view. here are the extraction of resources, of course, very sugar. but mars is more likely in my understanding.

it is still further, that is, mars i think is needed as an intermediate point to fly even further, because here are really interesting from the point of view of both science and possible some other stories, for example, the lunar jupiter, because there is, perhaps, life in the underwater oceans. there is very interesting geology. there is a completely different kind, but the environment in general in the world. now this is starting to happen. the concept that we are building, as it were, in order to develop the oceans, it is necessary to build ports in order to develop the land. it is necessary to build railways, that is, you need to create an infrastructure, and then, when you have an iron road, then there you can already extract what you need to put to the city, whatever you like. but no, the railway is everything, yes, that’s why everyone now looks at space as a logistics platform in this sense, the moon is like a port where substances are mined. you need to hang all sorts of stations too at the point or vibration. there, in different orbits, so that they

exchange substances with each other there, there, and so on , pull up asteroids, that is, this already applies to such, as it were, a large construction site. i also take a pragmatic approach. the economy is already there. you can also calculate there, there is a billion here, a billion. this is already beginning to interest people through seriously, you know, let's fantasize. wow, 60 years ago. we launched first of all 50 years, forward. how do you see man in space in general? here i am. to such bone optimists, that is, i am sure that in the next 20 years, the basic infrastructure of the earth moon asteroids will be built. and mars is probably still the next 20 years, but if we talk about fifty years, i think on the scale of the solar system. and humanity will become space view. that is, as it is now called, that is, we will learn there. well, if you don’t live, then spend enough time there, jobs will appear there, rest houses will appear there, and everything else,

in principle, once again, this does not prevent us from doing anything right now, except for the economy. that is, we have not yet learned how to make money in space . but we are now very actively learning this. here the americans in this sense are very people, and how can i say straightforward. i am a very important element of the show to them, uh, how would they always understand that, uh, to have something, eh attractive, it must be very beautiful. and so they came up with this beauty, uh, published a report. ah, i was so indirectly indirectly related to this, therefore, they know the story, and the report on the cost of asteroids in the large asteron belt, and and so that everyone is just finally there, all these sheikhs there, chinese and billionaires of american millions, they finally dispossess kulak, they hung such a figure, what is the cost of the total asteroid belt. it's about 10 cents of dollars. and how can i

now forgive a little, but only one astroyat psyche, which is supposedly a fragment of the core of the planet, and therefore it is composed of the same metals, including platinum and gold. here it is worth 10 quadrillion dollars, and a quadrillion is a trillion billion. that is, it’s so much that it’s enough to catch this and that’s it, just fly to pick it up a little, and everything is already richer than anyone on earth. and naturally. this is nothing more than such a myth, but it is already something practical. that is, if such a stone dangles in space, it really dangles, which costs more than the whole earth. or at least all economy, then this is already a business. at least, i know for sure that since the publication of this report in the bang-america morgensteil, the number of investors in space has increased dramatically, including from non-american ones.

, there is only a lot of other money and they think where to spend it, and you know there is a lot of such old money in the world that needs big projects, that is, uh, some sheikh is sitting there who has 80 billion in his account, and v as a result, 80 billion. but where can he place them on the stock exchange, but this is too much. then he will warp and want something interesting, something to brag about to other sheikhs, and there are hundreds of such investors in the world. for example, in america they calculated that out of 50 billion from the top list, 15 were purchased into space. therefore, all these stories, they look funny with such enticements, but they really, but really rocked this story. but i have another such tale on this subject. i love her very much. here. how do you think? and what product brought from america after its colonization by europeans, the discoveries most influenced , uh, history, i don’t know. usually they answer that

silver well, because when spain was looking for silver, it became the richest country in europe. no, there was a gold rush. there, well, silver in absolute quantities, they didn’t carry more gold then, but in fact, uh, spain didn’t get much use from this silver. she was two centuries old. there are three of the richest countries in europe the house of cards, and the most, uh, that influenced the story was her potatoes, when they brought them they didn’t understand at all what to do with it, because they thought that, probably, they should eat what grew from above, but about the courage in russia when peter the story was here they planted her even like that and fed her and fed her like feed for pigs and thought that well, this is some kind of useless. well, such a moderately useful plant for pigs to paint flowers. yes, flowers. yes, so far, it means that the dutch are not the first or have learned here. there are tubers that peter tried to infect, or rather

the germans were not the first to learn the dutch, there was the thirty years' war and there was a terrible famine. in the same place, in my opinion, a quarter of the population of germany died from war and famine, and they began to take food from the pigs, and they suddenly saw that the tubers were tasty. why when you come to germany they have classic salads? yes, because for them potatoes yes, potatoes are what saved them and made germany the most rapidly developing nation in terms of the number of people, that is, in terms of growth rates, germany was growing exponentially and now potatoes, she gave. here is an influx of uh, calories into european food. after that, europe began to grow explosively in numbers , began to spread to all continents , created economic growth, and so on. that is, why is it that we do not always know. why are we going, that is, the spaniards went to america for gold. and most of all, the history was influenced by potatoes, which were brought by accident,

so we do not know that in space we think that there is gold there. well, even now we don't know, we know that there is gold and there i don't know nickel maybe there is something there. uh, what we don't know, but what will affect our history, like potatoes? we do not know this, but on this positive and good note. i propose to end our conversation today. i am convinced that we have something else to talk about, and we will do it together in the future. thank you for coming and telling a lot of interesting things even to me, a person who works in the space industry was very interesting with you in general thank you