let's go sit somewhere. let's be brief, well, let's talk, we need to discuss so much with you, but it's nice, but it's not scary. well, well, you say, i will not go with you to the cafe with you. we have nothing to discuss a complicated story, because it’s impossible to get away from him just like that, that is, he clings to himself like claws and just, well, doesn’t give a way out, so i had to, a ask the girls. uh, so that they are with me, well, either they put me in a taxi, or we went down the subway together there and drove, but again, this is not the right way out, because he was following us again. and that is, i simply couldn’t do some nasty things to you, i don’t know, this is such an ordinary kind of story. if not, let's listen. yes, we are talking specifically now. about the persecution, here is

the last incident that happened in december. i asked my friend to meet me after the game near the metro, a new young man, yours. no, this is my friend, just a friend. and like, well, that is, he knows, uh, i periodically invited to games, so that he would meet me so that i could safely safely leave the competition hall. and, accordingly, when he saw him, he once again came to meet me after the competition, and he attacked him. they had a young man pounced on him. they had a fight. and it's good that, well, men were passing by. in short, they pulled them apart. yes, and, as it were, i immediately called the police, the police arrived and we went to the station to write another statement. that's why once again the statement, huh? well how would be here uh, a little settlement. late situation, that

is, beating a person. it is possible that even an article, but, well, everything is in order, as if everyone stayed alive, that is, a couple of bruise scratches, as it were, well, how would it all end, but the fact itself, but before i have already written a statement to the police more than five times. and about the fact that he comes. uh, well, in my apartment and plastering my front door with epoxy because of this. it's liquid nails. so you can’t key, then i can’t put it at all. that is uh already many times i had to. yes, let's put aside today's history and try to go back a little. i heard correctly that you lived with this young man for 5 years, yes, yes, and all these 5 years. i understand that this violence continued periodically. yes, it was like such flashes, that is, for some period of time he behaved normally, but, probably,

due to the fact that we lived on my territory, as if mine but this happened only in the house or he could imagine himself on the street let you get exposed somehow, no, usually everything, that is, this was not the case with people, yes, well, you lived. yes, i have it, but you told our guys that there was a case in the crimea when it worries you. yes, yes. tell us anyway. ah, well, my niece and i turn out 2 years ago, just this happened immediately after our parting , literally, probably, a month. we went to rest. uh, and, accordingly, he was able to track me down, because i myself am a fool. i left my mail. well, in his phone, that is, as if he had pop-ups, pop-up windows. here are the notifications that came that i

followed you. what operations are there, what are they doing and it turned out that he found out that i was booking a hotel in crimea a and he arrived there. yes, he arrived, there, and so how. well, i play different volleyball there. everything for me. well, i mean, it's. it's my life. uh, how would the guys and i be there with the company, but he also plays just, well, we hung out on the beach and played ball. well, he just came to us without asking. for me. it was a shock, because, well, i didn’t know what, in principle, could happen. and he, well, starts, like, let's go play. i say i don't want to play. he takes his phone and throws his phone at me. he says, let's go grab my hand. well, they start dragging. i'm just on it all happening in front of everyone. yes, it's all happening in plain sight. once again we will put aside

the situation that after parting, uh , before i a hand you over, so to speak, the gentle psychological hands of michael tell me, please. it went on, here's your wicked life, bullying bullying with violence for five years. why didn't we leave earlier yes, i understand that this looks very absurd. well , because like any healthy person in any conflict situation. can easily pick up and leave. if he doesn’t like something, but here lies another very serious problem. and my personal character. and i would like to talk about it too. it's that i had a sick mother. uh, the fact is that i am a late child in the family, and my mother was 40, when i was born my father was 50 and you understand, that is, the hard life of perestroika

there in the nineties, that is, uh, she does not sorry for the three children. and, of course, that is, by the age of 60, she no longer had health. practically and it turned out that the last 10 years of life. a. well, i practically dedicated to her because, well, she was my favorite dear person in my life. well, i wanted the best for him and i wanted her to be healthy, so that they could cope with problems, yes, so that she lived a little in pleasure, but how would health, it is what it is and turns out at 60 years old. she had her first stroke. here she is heavy she ended up in intensive care, and she was barely pumped out. ah,

she was paralyzed on the right side, that is, and she literally ended up in your arms. she was in my arms. and uh, it’s not like the most difficult problems there, because i more or less cured her. everything was fine, all the problems began when, after 3 years, she was diagnosed with, uh, diabetes. and it was a real sentence, because and after that it fell down, that is, and you could not do anything, you tried and nothing happens. yes? hmm it it was a very difficult period, because i had scandals in hospitals in a showdown in hospitals. they couldn't prescribe the normal treatment they had for mom for mom's life. yes , she was in the hospital. well, so that you understand with a frequency of once every 4 months, and you lost, in the end. ah. i

lost at that moment. uh, when she once again, that is, he had two heart attacks. and after the second heart attack, the doctor tells me that there is nothing we can do. uh, her heart is only working at 18%, which means a pacemaker, or bypass surgery won’t help anymore, that is, only a heart transplant , as if, well, a person, uh, diagnosed with a sugar stroke and brought heart attacks, as it were, that is, well, you understand, he, well, this operation, it’s like she would not have endured mom is dying. and, well, in the end, yes, she dies and it turns out. eh, these are three years. but when we just got acquainted with my civilian, they fell out with this husband,

here they were at the peak of the difficult period. e, when my mother was very sick and i needed psychological support, because, well, i couldn’t manage it myself, it seemed to you that he was the person who could become your support to support you, as if in part i was looking for him, and not just like a man. yes, with whom well, a friend, well, and, as it were, support, yes , you didn’t have much time to look for, but the opportunity to choose with your psyche. my name is natalya loseva, a journalist, a leading candidate of psychological sciences, mikhail khors, and our today's guest oksana is a beautiful girl who has lived under the rule of a tyrant for five years and still cannot get rid of him completely. at i still have a question, but i felt that same help and support from him all these years. he gave you something, well, part, yes, i felt that,

no matter how indifferent to him. uh, how would my mom's health take her to the hospital for discharge. well, as if with money, that is, he worked, brought his salary at that time. well, i haven't been working lately. here, therefore, as it were, i can’t say that he is purely dependent there on mine. yes, there he lived in my apartment and on his laurels happiness is such a flash, then these ones already started it in fact, his outbreaks began, about four months after we began to live. and you somehow discussed these outbreaks with him. here to talk about this , tell how painful it is for you to tell that he is terrible to experience these outbreaks. he believed that i was to blame for all uh of these situations. we talked to him and you told how it hurts and scares you. of course, well, at least he tried to listen to it, but he listened, but

again, i can catch the solo bolts translate into new scandals and showdowns yes, where i would be extremely guilty of all disassembly. those were the moments when he collected all his things , walked around the apartment, and the suitcases were folded, i say. all i'm leaving, and you're crying in this situation uh-huh stay. i'm just a little sober, as if looking at these things, that is, not from the position of a victim. well, how would hmm me your own, well , it’s kind of difficult, because and in such situations it’s funny to me, that is, two adults who live together share the life of life, and they come up with a wet. well just for empty place some just fantastic stories. yes, and at the same time they can’t agree, but it’s funny to me personally,

it’s clear that, and i couldn’t handle it. well, with the violence of his desire to hurt me, but to humiliate me, and so on , because, well, i’m by nature a very kind person and you never respond in kind to all his attempts, but how to cause not suffering only accepted, that is, this is the only thing that oksana did correctly. it seems to me that this is a very wise position. or she accelerated, then the situation is this one reaction i am soft, kind, accepting. it is good, if a person has variability. if at some point he can be tough, strong and even aggressive oksana's variability or hers, if a person, in principle, has the right to answer both hard and soft, and he chooses. that's great, but when a person does not have the opportunity to answer

harshly, then such a person is called not kind and gentle, but helpless. well, the victim, yes, in this situation, here is kindness and gentleness, they are kindness and gentleness when we have the opportunity to answer and like the proverb good should be with fists. i do not like the word good, but that's what it's about. and what should he have done in response, when he swung at her, but you can understand that, but it seems to me that oksana has such a scenario of such a scenario, in principle, i can calmly, right? she shines, if she could, she would come up and answer. and maybe, physically , she can make it personally taboo, most likely, this is the traditional family values ​​of raising a good family woman with us. well, maybe it was in

the family of men never to arrange a showdown, yes, call this upbringing good when the child is not given. e education does not lay the right to defend oneself, including with fists, i would not call this education something family relations the person with whom you associate some may be a person who does not beat you, you understand, but if he beats. that can be the answer closest to you. it's you, and we 've been forgetting about it for the rest of our lives. tell me, please, oksana a. this is the first man in your life who, in one form or another, used violence against you not necessarily physical. yes, the coach never allowed himself to somehow press you. dad , well, only psychologically, as it were, this is the norm for the sport of education. yes, athletes, of course, a different story. it seems to me that they do not know how to motivate in any other way, except for

humiliation. yes, or maybe, so this is oksana's lifeline of her young man, uh, tyrant and rapist. she somehow could have been provoked by her previous experience with the coach, because really the coach. moreover, there are no women's teams yet, story. no. it's a completely different story here. here is a story of not being ready for such an event in your life. she was ready that the scoundrels of the wounds would come, especially since it came in straws, right? o helped with mommy oksana and still has an opinion. why, if you live with a person, then this is the closest person, of course, yes, this is not of course you. see. you have already got into a life situation, when you live with a person, and he bludgeons you there, insults you naked under the covers together. yes, one more time. it's not a sign of closeness. this is not a sign. this you understand the fact of business, these are people close

to them, you will agree that a person is mistaken if she does not trust him, and women are different, but there are women with different social responsibilities. they can let unrelated men into bed, wait, wait for a psychologist. give the psychologist the same word to say like this again, but it is important to be an adult in life. did you have any family attitudes from your parental family, right? that the family is sacred, that if you live, then, uh-huh, we blow off the dust particles, apparently , how mom and dad behaved, but you are in real lives have encountered different behavior. uh-huh, but continued to treat in the old way, uh scenario. see, here's the problem. the problem is that you were not ready to change your attitude towards the world and the realities that you faced. yes, it seemed easier to change partners. yes, that's just fine. she will, only in 5 years. yes, one more time.

but in principle, yes, sometimes such people are completely corrected by hitting the frying pan on the head, and they cease to coexist with the statement. maybe so, but, and again. a so, too, i can talk about a frying pan, as it were, yes, well, there is something of some kind of factor of aggression, for example, because i was brought up again. e in the opinion of what to be aggressive? it can be bad just with the word yes, two types of people who behave aggressively with these outbursts means, and these can be normal people. mentally healthy, who do not have the skill of self-regulation, they have somewhere irritation accumulates accumulates accumulates splashes out the cap blows. yes, and there are people who are called psychopaths. so it's their uh, just a personality trait, violence, the second characteristic of their personality is narcissism, when they

love themselves very, very much, and the third characteristic is, uh, the rapture of power over another person and unwillingness. here, uh, to rule and the unwillingness of this person to lose the pathology of psychopathy. a little psychopathy. in each of us there is not the norm, when a person needs these outbursts of aggression does not work. you see , then he is most likely a psychopath. that is. if they told him once, it hurt me, the second time they said, i feel bad, i scary. it's hard for me when you act like this. and he does not correct his behavior , does not try, does not drink. the pill does not go to a psychologist, nor does it do anything. yes, then, most likely, he is quiet, who will behave like this. here's to our viewers. this is a clear answer. how to distinguish yes , it’s really there your loved one has something accumulated, yes, and it flared up, or is it just a psychopathic hothouse. how to understand? is it possible to work with this person

for another second, if you understand what to work it is useless, how to remove him from your life, firstly, how to talk to them. yes? here is to talk. there are two positions , the so-called position, and you are the position of people very often, but when they do wrong , you choose the position when they say you are misbehaving. you're not good. you are sick. you're a fool. yes, you 're bad aggressive it's you position. and in such a position, well, we only inflame the conflict, and make it even more, i ’m the position that says when you behave like that without judgment. it's just that when you act like that, it hurts me a lot. badly. i'm your loved one, please, yes . and so, if you once said in position, the third well, the fifth. a person does not

correct his behavior, at least to some extent. yes, at least it does not show any dynamics, most likely, this is a psychopathic personality, which must be beaten from. he can also enjoy. just this. yes, she says, it’s hard and painful for me, and he begins to get such a shameful quiet pleasure from his blade from his pleasure. definitely psychopaths have no conscience pleasure. i don't think so. he would have prepared these scandals so subtly. well, that is , using different means. yes, what i'm saying here, i threw the phone there. he even had the occasion of nailing his phone to the wall, nailing his phone to the wall. well, that would be manipulation. see how to what? you drove me and yes i wanted to thereby show that you are controlled by happa. with their victims through guilt, it's a classic classic

that was the last straw. that's when you finally decided that you would run away from him. well the last straw, was probably what i felt that we survived this relationship of ours. so, how would i, well, that is, he etched the good. you just felt it. yes, there is nothing more warm for you to him. well, yes, the fact that there is nothing warm. yes , it’s already like she’s already matured like a lump in me, so to speak . and like, yes. the first year is very, very hard. i had to psychologically survive the loss, as if alone a person, and in the second year i, well, as if i felt all some kind of force, a resource in order to change this situation. and uh, as if the most impetus was the fact that we somehow

went to eat, izmailovsky park, got full and well, i look at me. in short, uh, the network did not catch on the phone. i say, like, you can give me your phone, my network does not catch. i want to see. a. well, where are we? well , to somehow leave just innocent, and he gives his phone. well i take a quick look at where we are and catch a glimpse. while he was smoking i think, well, yes, i got into his whatsapp and read who he communicates with there, only curiosity will let people down. and no, i don’t feel that how i would have done it, that they did everything right, that they found it, my conscience does not torment me. well, as it were, i just had a desire to eat, that ours, as it were, and the fact that he took away the correspondence of a girl with girls. yes, there are kissing hearts. good night sweet, dear, when we see each other again, well, in general , everything in this context, god

actually sent this situation and you don’t reproach yourself. crawl your correspondence. let me be forgiven spectators in white coats absolutely deserved in this situation. mikhail agrees to understand this, and it gave us the strength to get together and just go out, as it happened. it was a planned operation, because before that i had already tried to escape from him, but it ended extremely horribly and negatively. there was a situation where my things were stolen. uh, there i called the police and wrote a statement again. this is a very complicated story. if i tell you how to understand, that is, this attempt was not the first. yes, more or less successfully until the end to the fact that we are again like this say agreed. and here, and the second kind of escape i already planned in advance, that is, uh, i

rent an apartment, here. thank god in advance at that moment at the moment when i was planning to leave him, and we lived in a rented apartment, then due to the fact that i sold the previous apartment and transferred it to another project and for some time, well, we were forced to live on rented apartment. and it was like dividing these expenses in half. he was financially dependent on you, well, in terms of housing. i think yes and you at this moment you leave the apartment that you rented together and move to another rented apartment. yes, i rented an apartment in advance and found a driver who will transport me all my things. but he once again went to work there, and i just collect all my things in a few hours. eh, i'm loading. it's all a car and

i'm leaving. apartments, well, at the same time, well, of course, without reporting anything here. what time did he appear, and he came home at about 7:00 in the evening and, accordingly, well, he arrived at an empty apartment, and he immediately began to call. uh, i didn’t move at all for a month, probably a month and a half. that is, as if calmed down, so to speak, there is no competition. neither there, nor training, something else, that is, i screwed everything up. and i just waited for the time, i think, well, now, uh, a month or two will pass there. he will calm him down a little, respectively, blocked everywhere. but as time has shown , it has been chasing you for 2 years. yes, look de facto. resolve this situation. it is possible only by some psychological methods. let's try to help oksana build strategy, what does she need to do to junior advise? what to do? it's

useless here, everything is clear. try to run away from them. ask other people for help, yes, so the only question here is how oksana can withstand, and all this work. and this is work. this is work, if a person became a victim, this is how a psychopathic personality turned out, then it’s directly important to lay time for yourself so that from these relationships, which on the other side do not, uh, uh, don’t cut off, it’s important to get out of them, it’s terribly fair that she should stand. i don't know, in my opinion, if man climbs a psychopathic relationship with a psychopath. yes, it is fair that it will be hard and painful for him later. now look at tactics such as dragging this episode on the beach somewhere before you in the literal sense, what should you do? shout yes help save kill. here's what you need to do. no need.

do you understand our children screaming understand? the first recommendation is again to parents. please. take the child to the forest and fight with him in the throat together so that he has inner permission for these cries for help. yes, this is important. this is the first. yes, that is, that's all, even if they don't beat you and don't drag you, you still scream. nobody will judge you for this. shout who's watching you. she is like a fool, someone is crazy, well, everyone is watching the police department. you know, please, in the head of the people in the police department, you are treated as a person who brought them difficulties. yes, that's why they're trying to get you. they just write a subscription, but these are also difficulties. these are also difficulties and so on,

so no, but don't get into people's heads, first of all. many people will sympathize with you, such as help. yes someone pass by someone will think a fool. well, let him think, you think about yourself, and not about what i think of you. see what your uncle says about you, right? well, that means, ah. well , it is clear how not to get into this situation. one of the first steps is not to force a man towards you. you don't have to put a man in here. all if a man wants to hook up with you. this is already such a wake-up call in the modern world, you know, it happens in every way, but in the modern world, the financial situation has its own financial situation, and then maybe a brilliant scientist who, through 5 years, but far away will take uh 20.000 for an apartment. he can find here, let him come, he says, you have an apartment there, i

understand that the rent costs 40, i give these 20. we both live. yes, this is a normal man , so to do with fiction , normal men do. look there, she says everything is fine, says fantasy. it turns out that her wife is sharp , the picture is normal, stylish, i don’t know what an injured woman is in a share across. yes , oksana was undoubtedly injured to some extent, these injuries can be filled. but understand trauma. and we inflict ourselves with an assessment of all this. hmm, for example, somehow natalya is horror hell. yes, when we ourselves get used to these assessments, they injure us, but in fact you got into a statistically different situation in ordinary life in such situations 1 2 3, 4 5, 26 27 30 40. among your acquaintances, for sure, there is a similar one here, so it’s calmer just for the assessment , then you will be less nervous you will have more strength

to fight for your future , your strength goes away when you worry, and you worry when you think that this is some kind of hell the last question that i will ask you michael is what oksana's reactions can encourage him to continue the persecution. and how to behave correctly, so that, on the contrary , his interest would fade away in order to forget to chase? it was just that this is a question from the point of view that he is a normal person. with these persecutions, he showed that there is psychopathy there. that outweighs in his personality. you see, therefore, no, just fight for yourself. do what you do and do not expect that he will lag behind you, immediately after a year, two, three. that's when lag behind, then you will lag behind, you understand, all of you were his victims. yes, he reveled in power over you, and then you once again took away his housing. and also this power and the opportunity to revel in the opportunity to command you there

to speak to you. what to do. yes, more, i guess. you said there, i have some beautiful wonderful best in the world and that's it. you took it from him and you want him to take you so easily let go of a normally healthy person will let go. well, i agree some kind of dependent relationship, of course, after our parting. and his life. uh, definitely, it’s not better to turn to the side, because well, our situation is like public property, but and the whole volleyball world, as it were, well, many of my relatives are relatives in penza, that is, they are all aware of this situation. and uh, as if everyone knows each other, they communicate and, accordingly, a keychain to the fact that they began to look at him as, uh , a person with mental problems, because yes, and because of this. well, as far as i was given. he is not playing now. to volleyball. he left, he was forced to lead such a hermit's life, as if let him be healed away, then, well, you are to blame

anyway. you understand that your real man is to blame for all this. i think it's very, very, very close. you just need to get yourself out of yourself. here it is to pull it out. yes, it 's still amazing. here, in relation to this situation, i will say to similar ones. that's what parents give us, uh, give us an idea of ​​the world flower field, we go walking the scents of flowers. it can be, but sometimes you go by color exact field and plunge into a cow cake. here, well, sometimes it comes, it gets dirty, it stinks. come on, now admit that it stinks, it’s that this stench, it will be easy with you in life for some time, because you got into trouble. and what is the name of this young man of yours. well, just them. tell andrew know that come to us with michael here let's maybe we will help you and you will live a good new life. yes please, it

was a psychic clue. my name is natalia losina journalist. there is my co-host clinical psychologist, great and bright michael khors our beautiful guest oksana thank you. we have a podcast of letters, today we will talk about konstantin konstantinovich rokossovsky, the historian yegor yakovlevich is my guest hello i am very glad to see you, however, there are a lot of questions, a lot of secrets , a lot of lies. it is clear that the times were the most severe and everything was corrected. uh, his biography, well, many wrote those who came forward er lie about their

origin. and by the way, konstantin rokossovsky he was from what family? well, the ancestors of konstantin konstantinovich were polish nobles. this is a very famous family and, for example, his great-grandfather, lieutenant of the lan regiment. e, the troops, the duchy of warsaw, as part of the napoleonic grand army, participated in the campaign against russia, and he survived during these events, but he had a hard time, as we know, how great the army is, and the father e go to konstantinovich already belonged to such depleted branch. this is the gate, although there were still influential relatives who allowed him to get the position of auditor of the warsaw ring road. uh, well, my father died very early. and now left e without a father and without rich uncle. he e was forced to work as a simple worker. although, again, he worked for

his relatives as a quarry with a pile , and it is natural that this left a certain imprint on his worldview. so perhaps this was one of the reasons why he ended up joining the reds in the civil war. e in russia well, that attracts attention. ah, from a young age. he was a fan of adventure literature. he read fenimore. cooper thomas main ri. yes, and he had such a romantic perception of life, he would like a handsome man. meter eighty height, but very good. blown up e is athletic, yes, well, about education here, so to speak, we must understand what we mean by e education. but as for his beauty, of course, yes, a handsome man , of course. uh, very athletic and uh, so to speak, his whole appearance indicated that he was fit for the military service that he had chosen for himself. uh, by the way, together with his

cousin, and franz rokossovsky. here they were together on the fronts of the first world war. konstantin konstantinovich served in the kargopol, and the cavalry regiment uh, and uh, well, he was straight up gay. the first world consequences on my wife will write that i know how to be germans, and this will not be an empty brovade, because konstantin konstantinovich received the st. george cross for the first world war. uh, st. george's crosses are such awards that it was impossible to receive for service in the rear. they could only be obtained for a feat directly. fighting at the front, why all his life proved? that he is not a real colonel, but a real marshal patriotic tell me when in the thirty- seventh year he was arrested, what was presented to him?

yes, he was arrested, ah, during a period when there was a whole series of arrests on military cases, and the most famous most famous case is the epochs among the military, this is the tukhachevsky case. well, on the tail of this case there were arrests of other military men, speaking today spilled the tongue. but the fact is that the case has actually been destroyed , we clearly don’t know who wrote the denunciation on it, therefore , no matter how. well, uh, let's not operate on rumors, and he was presented, allegedly his testimony. a colleague of yushkevich, who died a long time ago and rokossovsky, it took no powerful stakes, which could not take place. but we know for sure something else, that at all interrogations. he held himself extremely. steadfastly and his cellmate also advised to stay extremely staunch and apparently. he accepted

these events. as uh, so to speak, in no way the norm , he perceived them as a deviation from the norm and until the last hoped that justice would be uh, restored there is a letter after a 30-month term of imprisonment the consequences was released and a full series of rehabilitated went free, asking himself unanswerable questions. who and for what purpose needed everything that was done in the thirty-seventh year, because the blow was dealt to the most trained cadres of the leadership of the red army with their deeds and blood, who proved their boundless devotion to the party and discord, the consequences of the done black work already affected finnish. the red army turned out to be a company by the time of the impending events of the open, the party’s many years of work on education and the training of military personnel has reduced to zero one devotion and courage to wage war in modern conditions. it wasn't enough to ask questions. but

how? well, how could you get castrated? it’s just that all this top of the most talented, the most devoted, the smartest, the most furthest, i don’t agree with you , because if the most talented were shot, then we wouldn’t win the war weighted. i feel like judging this. and you think you deserve it. it is very difficult historical question the point is not that the deserved undeserved the point is that , well, let's say, the bench was and it is impossible to judge how the generals of the civil war would behave in the conditions of the second world war. that's because real stars may not be very applicable to our marshalling. well, hero. yes, just to them and apply - yes zhukov rokossovsky konev, their star rose precisely during the great patriotic war. uh, they showed themselves

precisely during the great patriotic war - they were not, uh, the leaders of the red army before it began. they are already in progress. e of the second world war or pre-war conflicts such as khalkhin gole, showed their incredible military leadership talents, and indeed justice triumphed saying that stalin himself asked for his forgiveness, and he is the only one, in my opinion, of all who came out of complete rehabilitation. it wasn't exactly the same for others. uh, soviet military leaders who were released after their arrest. well, for example, another route, yes, kirill afanasevichkov, true, he was already arrested at the beginning of the war, but, nevertheless less. he also drank great grief, he was also subjected to torture. and yet. he was released. and as we know, nu became the march of the soviet union and went through a glorious military path during the great wall of the fatherland. here, well, nevertheless, what characterized rokossovsky undoubtedly.