scolding anyone, however you like, is a solitaire moment. yes, i even remember a little today with shame, this is because there was a kind of hunting passion in it, i didn’t like to scold both the left and the right, but the literature , after all, the liberal newspaper has always been a german article, a man with a gun. there, the famous people still know about the scary person and scolded prokhanov. we have a studio scary man get him on the fence. rather, there was a bureau. it was certainly dangerously wrong, but it seems to me for a fruitful critic. it's not bad. here, uh, still i don't like how she's such a harmless young critics. you still need to be toothy, as if to show, to be a little afraid of you. and tell paul and the current criticism. doesn't she pretend to be directive again, that these are wrong, and read these correct ones, only these are not readable. still. it probably exists, of course, well, it was. it was theirs even in the soviet years.

well, today, it seems to me, another problem. she m-m. she reformats with criticism. it seems to me that today she still leaves the blog. although uh, still somehow not they don’t want to recognize this critical bliss, strictly speaking, as criticism, because there are no criteria there. yes, i’m writing what i want here, it’s really true on the other hand, and a blogger is terribly dependent on his subscribers. they must like it in order to create some kind of information and feed a certain number of their subscribers. he he can't say things that they won't like. understandable, understandable, therefore , too, perhaps even more dependent than when, for example, i worked in a literary newspaper. it is clear, but i would sum up our conversation with a formula: the formula is that it is not so important whether an evil critic or a kind one is important, whether he is sensitive or good.

this is a property of many, many works of pavel basinsky, as criticism, we spoke, uh, at the end of our conversation , about this, but in general, we have created such a very multifaceted and unique portrait of a person who at the same time continues to engage in literary criticism and writes extensive books. first of all, olga nikolaevich tolston. although not only the name of this person. pavel basinsky. we thank you for participating in our podcast. let them count. thank you see you again. thank you. thank you. i am pleased, and i tell our viewers my usual magic phrase, read it with pleasure.

podcast 20 years later today we remember the musical television of the 2000s with its stars tatyana gevorkyan and alexander anatolyevich. i'm presenter konstantin mikhailov tanya sasha hello, hello. hello hello fence. color reminisce today television what happened in the 2000s mtv it already was then. well, it was already 1998, and in 2000 it was still under the leadership of boris zosimov. and when he stopped leading everything fell apart. it seems to me that this, in my opinion, is a golden time, the first four years of the existence of the mtv russia channel are interesting - it was a super legendary spacewalk that brought happiness to absolutely everyone without conclusions. it's cool how you got there, i got there quite by accident, and i

almost got from your hands to the hands of mtv because you and i worked together on radio maximum why i was engaged in e, marketing , pr and on-air various promotions. if you remember, i didn’t work on the air for that time, yes, yes, i didn’t work on the air then, and i was already such an expert in the field for many, pr and in. in general, for this, i was invited to some new music channel , then no one knew that it would be mtv for the first time went on the air without tv it was such an airfield from which the mtv channel started, that is, at first it was without tv then boris gurievich. already signed the contract. and on the mtv channel started on the same frequency, and now, when it was already clear that there would be a new channel. they invited me and said, listen, we are niche pr specialists there. marketing come to the interview i came to zvezdny boulevard for an interview, and they told me so,

by the way, who are you, and tatiana gaverkenna so you can find something, because sneakers. let's get some makeup. i think about the make-up, how interesting, uh, an interesting interview starts well, i think, ok, to grimm , they bring me to the grill, the make-up artist paints me. this you know a little old school, that they make me some kind of blue blue shadows, that is, they make me such a television lady. well, i decided that day, not to be surprised at anything, i thought okay, well. well, that 's how pr specialists see it. okay, and then they take me to the studio and put me in front of the camera. i say what's going on? are we writing down some kind of resume or what, they say? no. we are looking for a casting here. we are looking for a leader for the daytime caprice program for something else altogether. i say, wait, i came says, right? oh well, okay, listen, since you are already in the frame, since you are already here, we will made up. let's sign up. i think, well, okay, i'll sign up to see you on tv in mtv and i know that, you look like that, i know her. stop working. don't

specify if there is, you know that it's beautiful in life, not appearance. uh-huh makes sense to me something more than me. yes, i had something to say to our generation. you wrote your own lyrics, didn't you? yes , they never wrote to me in my life, yes, do you think that extras ran after us, fixing our thoughts , transforming this text they wrote to you, the authors completely wrote everything themselves, but i had such a fundamental position. there, of course, there were programs where they worked as editors. yes , but i had such a principled position. i wrote lyrics. and what's more, in many traveling programs, especially we didn't have a prompter, and i'm on a few pages. i just read the texts by heart. this is hellish work. and can you remember some text that you said by heart some kind of your stand-up.

well, listen, i didn’t have very smart texts, except for those where i told the history of some groups. that is , i had a program, the highest standard, where i told the story of different groups, and the program was like a russian ten. it was hello, my name is tanya, now we have it there, yes, yes. they were absolutely so cheerful, yes, light. what groups do you remember? here, from the two thousandth, they entered so brightly and you are so cool that i will present this group now. but firstly, in principle, i had mtv since childhood, because i did not live with my parents in russia and i had access to mtv broadcasting in india as a teenager . i lived. yes, yes, i remember this moment when i was at school, listening to group nirvana included news, block, well , of course, the american is not from the block. and there must be kurt logan your colleague made

me cry, because he reported that kurt cobain shot himself, and i remember, yes, that i was just sitting in front of the tv sobbing. and even then i knew that i wanted to work on the mtv channel, but i had no idea that i would be on the air. i wanted to make videos . i just got obsessed with this idea. i even filmed something at school, then vgik entered. well then the idea, here went to work on radio maximum, this story with pr captured me, and for some time i discarded this idea. you see, if you have some kind of dream in your head, then as a result it is somehow realized and as a result. i suddenly found myself quite by accident on the tv channel, i went in for an interview, which i had dreamed of since childhood, and, of course, the coolest thing was that these bands that we listened to, on which we grew up, they suddenly come to your studio and you you do interviews with them and think with it, yes any question look good took tanya

gevorkyan who came. we stuck it around, like, what kind of attention is one of the few old men who scores moved? i've always been an old man about the hat, i remember now. hi all. this is news, a block of various news. and you will be the first to recognize a variety of music, it was still on without tv and then on mtv there was so much news. you will know the mtv news you will know first, that is, the same slogan that has been a lawyer since the eighty-first year, as i perceive it is not a franchise. it's a philosophy hmm, you will be the first to recognize us this way. and i've always been an old man. i was as much as 30, or something, you are already amazing, and i don’t even remember how much they survived. sasha, well, something 20 has not been preserved. you are still an old man. well

, i'm like that, yes, cheerful old man you're not old. i was talking about those who work more. yes, it's good, i mean, you know it's been on the air for how long, and i came from scratch no, well, if you also take into account the radium music broadcasts that began in the late eighties, then i was not just an old man. i am generally old covenant. and you drove in general, how are you? as i was catching up, here's the young anniversary was never why, and i'll tell you so. we just got high. we got high on it all, you know, it was like the history of so many garage rock bands, like, do you have drums? yes, we have guitars. let's try to play something 40 years pass. this is the legendary metallic. he's the same here. we just hung out, but we did it with such a high, and then it brought a high to others. it was the best option. it was good. well everyone and then we had unique content even compared to all other music channels, because, for example, i

had a stylissima program, and at that moment there were a lot of fashion programs on our television, but the content that we had, because stylissimo is american and european stylissimo. we had access, that is, stories were sent to us. we had access. uh, to all the star houses, and we were the first to know about everything. in the truest sense, yesterday the show tomorrow, they are the coolest stars, they let us into their dressing rooms. they showed their outfits, the most famous designers invited us not only to the backstage, but also to their homes and showed how they work and their own creative workshops, who do you remember from imported designers, for example, well, then there were a lot of fashionable belgian designers. yes, yes, the belgians were in the top , they were top right then. well, of course, the rest of the rabankler is those

guys who came here, jean-paul gatier, then they were the top guys who came to us. you were style icons that in clothes, that these famous glasses of alexander anatolyevich are fashionably framed. uh, still the same. and it's not the same. how many points was john i was told that you break records in your collection? it just happened to me, suddenly it became necessary to wear glasses. i am happy to do so. moreover, it suits me, it seems, as they said, those around me and they appeared more and more, and then i realized, i'm going crazy. i have a full house, and glasses are not simple, not solar. these are diopters. they all need to be done, but became a necessity, because vision began not to forget them to consider the stars from a dream. the magnifying glass has a monocle, a lot of that, of course it was big. i gave out a lot

, i gave a lot, i started wearing glasses without diopters, when i began to conduct, good morning on channel one, because i am an evening person and especially in the morning. if you are getting ready for the program , you sleep little, and in general, the face, it looks like what is usually worn in shorts. and that would at least somehow designate. uh, the presence of eyes, yes, there are people without diopters that they just knew, i don’t know where to talk about, we don’t have anything it was a growth for beauty. hmm everything was thought out to such an extent. i always peeped in a good decent way on tanya as she prepared for the program, it was there to peep on you. everyone was watching. tanya prepared for a long time, they brought her hair along with everything in the world. it was social media. it was preparation for a fashion show, and an amazing and unique one at that. and she

came out such a chrysalis and such a prima donna that we thought, why does the stylissim take so long to shoot, because this is a shot at eternity , each issue was a new issue of the magazine, vogue of our own image suited me dressed by the best russian foreign designers at that time. yes, yes, of course, you, that is, you dressed. you didn't dress it yourself. yes and you yourself, but once the stylists told me that you don’t bring it all the same, everything yours is better for you, we won’t wear anything to you. i say ok from then to me all the stylists. we tell you nothing new good, we can not advise. you are your own stylist. do it yourself, and as it turns out. uh, hmm, we don't give away anything, but this not on new year's eve, it's actually, i 'll tell you, just a boy, and for girls it's just extra work. this is instead of getting ready for the program. you have to bother with clothes, what's what. clothes

after. well, if i liked something, i could buy it, and we could provide it. well, basically some kind of discount was given. yes, i often left some things after filming one spanish company. and they always left these clothes for me, and i have just one time of my life. i was all. this is not for the sake of it, but it was nice how we youth brands came in some kind of funny cakes , some funny sneakers, some kind of funny lobes and drawings, or some kind of allegedly tattooed firewood among themselves for going, they tell us, anatolyevich, everything is yours over there. i say i 'll take one t-shirt. i like her. no, you do not understand, it's all yours, that is, some moment. we thought about where to put it all. i handed out something , left something for myself, but my guys there didn’t have so much labor avito. i did an interview with

durand the run and simon lebon says, a what are your cool sandals? this is what, i say, this is a russian designer. he’s like that, yes, okay, but in general , i’ll say that they were very surprised by all the western stars who came to russia, of course, their ideas about our country fit into 10 stereotypes of bast shoes, vodka, bear uh, a nuclear reactor before the interview, when we we were sitting still before we started- no, motors, we were sitting somehow talking to each other, and i had to talk all the time. no, i don't drink vodka on an empty stomach in the morning. but no, a bear does not live at my house, but it brought very strong people together, because you can imagine, yes, that they are constantly touring all over the world. they give millions of interviews a day, these people are boys and girls, like us, they have 10 people there. uh, they interview every day, but we were cooler because we didn't fit. they thought that they would now

come to russia and there they would be interviewed by such, mustachioed uncles in uniform. we deceived them. they managed to anticipate their expectations and pleasantly surprised, that is, they were waiting for something like a good friend. we we will answer your question hmm and everything was much better, more fun buddy, strong people. i can tell you about the saibon. why did he ask, yes, and then we'll remind you. and then, which was great. they were ready to hang out with us after the interview. they say you are so cool. show us moscow and we took them to some clubs to some concerts. i remember how they like this dawn over the moscow river. we are going from, well, musorsky. yes, there is jimmy by lisa bluthound-wengo, whom i interviewed three times, and we he already has such friends there with his group is cool. who else is remembered simon or pop? who else oh i removed gorbachev's intuition or another

turtle were gwen stefani with alison cooper with alice coupe das, you wanted to remember him. now you think that this is who the grandmother's singer is, but then he was in the wild, top even the mtv audience in my interview with julio iglesias. i'm sitting in the studio bringing him why he leads, that is, now i have here memories this is such a grandfather of eighty years old, although he is still not 80, but he looked very, very so shabby like, well, as a person who abuses plastic solarium cosmetics. hmm, he does not react to anyone at all. i told him such a hesh on a mannequin with a needle, but without emotions. yeah, i'm healthy with this hello. he ignores us. that is, he does not see us. they put me in a chair next to me

, the make-up artist runs to the illuminator, he applies makeup, such a heavy one of our illuminator is driven out, his illuminator comes. they remove the lamps from me and put them on him. he's supposed to look cool. this is your leader. let him sit in a dark corner. and then the camera the motor turns on the light and the person. how they changed it, that is, here he was sitting like this sleeping grandfather. here the make-up turns on the camera. baby you 're so sexy today and so and i just have laughter in my ear because of the front door, because there people are dying of laughter. i start talking to him. it naturally sticks all the time. he doesn't answer any of the questions he says. well, what are you doing, tonight, then at some point he tried to put me on his lap. oh, as soon as i was afraid to look in the direction of the film crew, because that they were already bent over with laughter. there, a person had such an ego,

his own rock star. i can only add that he is also a super-professional in power saving mode while everything was being prepared. he was with me for a new interview, then they said, a minute later the broadcast. he woke up, looking for this camera here , this little bit here, the light is lower and stronger. where is the monitor? i like it, let's go. he exposed everything, everyone obeyed him. we talked it all about him, but we worked on it all, and julio games rock star. rock star. and i want to say that at that moment just a minute. this was a performer who was driven all over the planet on all radio stations and tv channels most often every 10 minutes his song sounded on the planet. he was the star richest performer who just visited our studio and at the same time the youngest in behavior

towards girls, and then at the request of my mom. i took out the disc and asked him to sign it he signed and with all due respect said hello, and then i took out the newest disc that he promoted was looking for. and this for my girl. i don't know who else i 'll give it to, and he said. said he had a spanish accent. i said, like i still don't know, he says and signed, that is. oh you are a slut. he. well, about simon simon is generally simpler, because at that moment he is twice as tall, handsome, understanding fashion present at all fashion shows, who were friends with every designer. we personally met in the hotel lobby. he looked around looked around. i’ll see

no one is there, he’s sitting drinking some. water i guess i don't know what is looking at me and saying. hey you know. this is my haircut too. and then they went into fashion. here are some plucked things. and here it is real. i say, well, it's like a malet hairstyle, i didn't make it up for you. i say it's cold. i say, alexander, that is, we were still arguing, whose hair is where? i say ai kolmak from saimont, but aiko aldi alexander, that is, they could tease us, mock us with irony. it's not like your haircut. it's mine, as you call it. he says, i call, this is the hairstyle alexander well, then, okay, this i didn't copy your hair. we're just on the toilet. as i understand it, it’s not enough here , that’s all, this is what it was called bethead stood in bed and went like this here, but here the head is longer. well, yes, it is clear the

same thing in a minute. he does not ask, like who are you insolent? is that how you talk to me? i say i'm the mtv guy okay because the artists and the mtv guys were friends. that's true, of course, but in general it's really for people. it was some kind of curiosity that there is mtv in russia and that exactly the same guys work there as in any other country on mtv i came, by the way, at the beginning of the 2000s to the cannes film festival. i had friends there, foreign filmmakers, who took me everywhere to different parties, and we came and they had their favorite entertainment. they told everyone they brought me to the party, i say, get to know each other. this is tanya after all. and tanya is from russia come on, you are from russia and i

was such a prostitute, as alexander says fashionable. they are so. you are from russia. wow, they are so coolly dressed. i say, well, yes, everything is so dressed then my friend said. tanya works for mtv russia, after all. wow , there is mtv in russia and that's it. it just broke all barriers. i became everyone's best friend, but i want to point out an important thing when you are praised by the public fans who greet his entrance. it's all very cool. but when professionals praise you, this is a special story. and when i was, i had the most, perhaps, operational connection with all mtv offices around the world. well, because the news service. i was constantly passed on your story, which you filmed in moscow about the prodigy concert it's just a blind or fashion show he came out. all over the world thank you guys. we thank you for your submissions.

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and we and we turned on the disk, he said, and then he came up to us and hugged, i look. girl beautiful says ai and we hugged , took pictures, and he went somewhere in the elevator went by their own business. i think the boys are ok. and it is possible such double two tomorrow is not present. you just upset me right now. i was on this world. i saw only fred. yes, i forgot to warn the guys, we have been filmed for a long time and therefore this is yours. well, when i put this type, well, i hear that

you see me, that i know you. today we remember the birthday of fred durst from limbisket. this is a podcast 20 years later and today we remember the musical television of the two thousandths, my guests are legends tv. not only musical. note. these are alexander anatolyevich and tatyana georgyan. and where did you get the information, at the same time in 2000 the internet was not a particularly real question. interfax is jet printers, which was so, which gave them information whenever possible, with such a delay that, well, even it was already kind of late to go on the air, of course, there were other tv channels, dear colleagues, who also gave out everything with a delay, and i at one time i realized that you can’t look up to anyone, you have to get everything yourself. and most of everything aired, the vast majority of information. we mined ourselves from foreign

stars. of course, our stars personally called everywhere, and personally calls. when yes appeared, or they invited us to the studio, and not willingly , our producers called, for sure, our producers still called, personally, i remember the producer of russia, we have new singles. vizier artists came to visit us, many said. hello, i have an album. you can listen. i say wait. where did you get contact? i'm on the air pager. you can call a pager to mtv to offer their information, and people came to the address first shchipkovsky lane, house 1, left at the checkpoint with their return address and called and said. come this very evening. i listened to this disc in the same whole i recorded it. at the same weight, he went on the air. i am now talking about one of the episodes with one very famous artist today in our country and only you know in the country, and there were many examples of such a dude came with a strong accent and said, i

came to tell me. here is the whole pack. here, confirming what i want to say. i i say that i have an album disc, so yeah. here, my name is seryoga, i say, where are you going up at the checkpoint? come into the studio. tell everything what you told, they turn out to have beaten some charts there and came out on top in the dance charts for their electronic music. and it turns out they conquered the whole of europe. but no one here knows them. he says, well, can you tell me something about it? i say watch tonight. what are you talking about, are you serious? yes, right? it was seryoga the pimens who then worked with infold breakdowns, and all the electronics was, then the krupak was made , there were too many such episodes for me to list them now by the tumborght group ppc, when it was, in principle, the internet could have been icq and so on, i understood only no art of intelligence, only personal contact works more reliably, and how

to put it more reliably, the end of antivirus began in 2002, when suddenly the leadership decided to remove boris gurevich and remove half of the leaders there. you, in my opinion, no one displaced anyone. everything was different there says the press hmm everything was simpler, more precise and more serious simple. changed business plans dots why, well, it happened in show business, but to say that boris gurevich was dismissed by someone. it's not mental, it's the fish deciding it. he couldn't be moved. only his decision could be final. well, how did it happen that mtv live channel with great presenters anton komolov shelest is awesome hiding places of the varkians, sasha anatolyevich , your son is also there, then he helped you to make not from the yanychurikov block. with uh angry

audience, young, beautiful program. and this is because paid subscription channels left the paid subscription channel appeared in 13. there was a process. that is, you are now trying to throw. from that heyday of mtv and immediately to the channel by subscription. there was a whole story even before that there were about eight nine years and several different leaders. changed, you know, uh, there is such a saying such a meme in uh, everyone 's favorite internet. oh, it's good that we didn't do anything today. hmm, otherwise we would have to redo it tomorrow. here is such a trend. this she's not funny. she's not very funny. she is on the verge of sabotage. sometimes appeared in people, in some people. god bless them, but i won't remember them all and i don't need to. and let's know how we'll do the good in a different way, so that it's upside down, or or

why we are redoing it. and you are good, but it is impossible to improve the ideal by inventing something of your own. and then let 's arrange a mess, and the appearance of violent activity. in the meantime, violent activity is imitated on the air, nothing happens and such attempts are experiments for the sake of experiment became more frequent. they were more detrimental to the channel and mtv stopped being like that. what he was originally born. here, to the delight of everyone, it has become more commercial, more social , some pregnant schoolgirls have appeared , some have already appeared. i'm not saying that it doesn't matter, but at some point they decided that no one needed music. let's have nothing to clips. let's walk and see how many baseball caps one famous one has, and baseball players in the closet, we went where the press,

because we decided that the public is necessary and there was dissonance. suddenly the audience thought. why is this channel showing us if we are waiting for music television, and the music television channel thought. we do it for the public. they want it and together they could not cross in any way and the public began to lose interest in this. and they mtv forgot a little about their audience. and in vain and leaders. for example, i can say about myself. the host also began to lose interest, because i left mtv in 2006, because i realized that i had some kind of stagnation. i lead the same shows are no longer interesting to me, because when you get on the rails and do just the same thing all the time, i tried to change something, understand? that somehow no one at that time needed it. and there was some kind of commerce started, you know what it’s called today, hype, and hype

had nothing to do with the direct activities of the tv channel itself, some guys couldn’t stand their nerves and didn’t have enough patience. well, i don't know if i did the right thing or not. i am sure that i left the mtv russia channel exactly on the day when it has really closed down. i couldn't afford to stop fighting for real musical television. it was very often strange ineffectual , no one thought how few i was, who supported me, but i fought as best i could for mtv to stay with me. i knew it was almost futile, but i couldn't afford to stop. but when the channel was already objectively closed in the thirteenth year, i said, thank you all, all the best. mm. that is, maybe , if these experiments hadn’t happened, if i hadn’t attended the dance like that nation, if it were still mtv now what do you think, everything would still be

relevant alexander anatolyevich, the bride of the block, tanya is not. there is no internet now. this is a completely separate conversation. guys. i'll be very happy. if we ever talk about it again. you understand that it’s not scary in this cube, it’s also interesting here with the advent of the internet, how everything has changed, maybe you have some thoughts and in this cube very often thoughts become material, so that you would like to say, wherever you are yourself saw there in a year, in two, in three, in five , some absolutely magical project, which does not yet exist. well, something must be that will shoot again and tear everyone, what the hell, how it broke then, i want to tell you, just to your previous question about the fact that mtv could succeed today if everything had turned out differently why not? because today social networks and every student is his own mtv that is, today everyone there does not know a teenager of an adult . there is an opportunity to shoot your

cool content. he has all the tools for this in his own phone. fine. this is good. i think it's very cool. it's very cool. it develops it gives people a feel for themselves. uh, media it's cool alexander can i answer your question konstantin alexandrovich the thing is that folk art is great home economics lessons, and your own planer and vise workbench, and so on. all these are mastery lessons crazy hands and so on, but radio love, chasing and burning, is all we went through in childhood and adolescence and at school. well, it's still a handicraft, the thing is that should be professionals. i understand that every girl knows how to knit , sew, cross-stitch or whatever, but there must be a designer who will be the flagship,

whom she will look up to, who will learn. eh, he will give an idea and still be a leader, that is, let as tanya says, let everyone film everything. let them study. let them do nuggets, so they appear people sometimes do things in their social networks that cool clip makers sometimes do sometimes, but in the era of graphomania, when now everyone who has a pen becomes writer, we lose the level of literature. excuse the inability to create your own information bubble in which you exist. for example, i have no graphomaniacs, because we e internet algorithm is built so clearly that it shows me only what is interesting. me therefore with the circle. and i want to say more to the audience, the thing is that here i am, honestly, you can laugh at me. today we have a wonderful function, this swipe and that's it. and you don't do n't you don't need to watch what you don't

like that's the beauty of the internet. i know i not that i am such an ardent supporter of the old school. i want to stay within the limits of common sense , the thing is that you can then swipe to the point that you lose all taste and common sense to the end. and i don't mind a huge selection. i'm not opposed to people doing whatever they want, but i want people who know how to understand, and we will be advised to pay attention to something very important, as they are called it doesn't matter. everything above this is, just those very new topics. i'm all for professional music tv still existed and, by the way, i see myself perfectly in its composition. come visit us. let's sit on a swipe to them, what is called a wedding podcast 20 years later, its host konstantin mikhailov today we recalled musical television with its legends alexander anatolyevich and tatyana georgievna guys. thank you for coming.