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Understanding 9/11tv Pole chudes 1TV March 10, 2023 7:45pm-9:01pm MSK
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alexey pimanov will see you on the air of the studio, as usual on the first channel on friday in the same studio. a big game is on the air today we have a conversation with the minister of foreign affairs of russia , sergei viktorovich lavrov, and we are meeting at the reception house of the ministry of foreign affairs sergei viktorovich thank you very much for taking the time. i understand how incredibly busy you are. and for us, of course, it is very important and very valuable for our audience. i will start with a question that concerns the latest news, what is happening in tbilisi and the government in fact, as it seemed to me, it met all the demands, the protesters went forward without any restrictive
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conditions. without any concessions from the protesters and yet. we hear that the protests will continue, that the demands of the protesters are only growing and it's starting to remind me, the kiev maidan of 2014, what is happening and how far from your point of view it can go very similar to the kiev maidan there is no doubt that this is the law on the registration of those non-governmental organizations that receive foreign funding in the amount of 20% of their total budget. it was just an excuse to start, uh, an attempt. forceful change of forceful change of power a and. if you take the law itself, then compare it, as many political scientists did in recent days, when the riots began in the city, it pales
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in comparison with how the activities of non-profit organizations are regulated in the united states in france in india, by the way, in israel all of this can be seen. well and besides, for violation of a law similar in the united states , a fine of up to 250,000 dollars and up to 5 years in prison as part of criminal prosecution, while in georgia it is immeasurably less than the amount. there, in my opinion, something like nine thousand dollars and no criminal prosecution. and yet, despite the fact that in a number of european countries, a the same rules are much more cruel rules on the same topic, but much more cruel ones exist, mr. promoted by georgians, ruling parties, georgian dream contradicts european values put the blog on the way of joining georgia to
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the european. the hypocrisy of the union in general, of course, is obvious even when the government, the ruling coalition, about the ruling party. as a result, they announced that they were revoking this law, and revoking it completely, as i heard, and that they were releasing 170 or how many instigators of the riots arrested, and releasing them, despite the fact that there is video evidence, and that violence , which they in which it manifested and which, of course, are a violation of any democratic norms and deserve to be prosecuted. and yet, the government released them and is now already an oppositionist. without any respite, they said no. so you met us halfway only on the first issue, and now you are resigning, and you understand the position of the west of the same state department,
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which in a pathetic tone declares the inadmissibility, but of such an attitude towards civil society. eh, it's just a smile. these are the very rules that we talked about, or rather, that the west says, and we we are talking about international law, and the west is talking about the rules on which the world order should be based. here you are, in georgia, the opposition is not what it can, it is obliged to do what it wants, but in moldova , protests against the current government are condemned, because the opposition in georgia reflects the western interest, and the opposition in moldova reflects other interests, and the western interest reflects the government and the president, so it seems to me that all countries that are located around the russian federation should draw conclusions. from that
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how dangerous is the course of involvement in the zone of responsibility in the zone of interests of the united states, this zone is now spreading to the whole world. we have already talked about this and it is impossible. not by chance. or rather, it is no coincidence that when the united states and its nato allies comment on our special military operation in ukraine, they demand to inflict a strategic defeat on the russian federation on the battlefield. recognizing directly that we are talking about an existential conflict, uh, on the outcome of which depends uh, the interests of the west in the field of global security, but, to put it simply, on the outcome of which depends the prospects for the hegemony of the west, led by the united states, and the prospects for their dominance in world affairs.
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what is happening in tbilisi it reminds me of the events in kiev, i think, in 2014 in another respect , that in kiev there was a government headed by president yanukovych, which, contrary to the accusations against this government , was in no way an ally of russia, they said that they were all -did want e associations with european union and in general they wanted the european way. don’t you think that it’s, as it were, half pregnant, that those countries are those governments, and in the post-soviet space that chose this path e movement, if we put it this way in the trans-atlantic space, that thereby they actually refused it was very difficult for them to protect themselves from a significant part of their sovereignty, and they themselves limited russia's ability to come precisely
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to help. conditionally, i will start even from 2004, and not from maidan the fourteenth in 2004 were regular problems in the elections in ukraine, uh, then, too, but conditionally pro-russian forces , but opposed those whom the west put on, and i remember very well how the officials of the european union, the foreign ministers of the eu countries, publicly called on ukrainian voters to decide who they were with russia or with europe, this is either or it has been heard since 2004, that is, at a time when our relations with the european union were almost cloudless and plans for common spaces were outlined. uh, socio-economic integration. uh, discussed in earnest uh, agreements began to emerge
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in relief, and then i move on to visa-free travel and more. yes, a single space for security and economic development from the english channel to vladivostok and so on, so this philosophy is with us or with russia it turns out that the european union was nurturing, well, from the very beginning, uh, the geopolitical situation that developed after the disappearance of the ussr and subsequently. after all, in the thirteenth year the president spoke about this. putin has said more than once, in the course of conversations and interviews. uh, when did this topic come up in 1913 ? ukraine has already come close to agreements on an association agreement with the european union, and. oh, then we, by the way, did not keep us informed about how these negotiations were going. although we have a huge volume of trade, investment and other
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economic ties with ukraine. uh, but ukrainian friends, as you said , the yanukovych government was not at all about ukrainian , they were, in general, engaged in issues of establishing close associative relations. moreover, it was not about russia no, of course, but it was not pro-russian, because , as i said, they were engaged in negotiations with the european union and did not become aware of us. or rather, how we knew that negotiations were underway, but our very polite delicate requests to somehow share our assessments not because we wanted to put spokes in the wheels or somehow give them permission to take on the role of some kind of him she simply because that it was about the same things that were regulated by our relations with ukraine in other formats within the cis where there was an agreement on free trades. the question was asked, if you reset, as the press wrote, all
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tariffs in trade with the european union. and we also have no tariffs, then a problem arises, because we do not have zero tariffs with the european union, but there are very serious protective tariffs that we negotiated for a long 17 years in the course of negotiations on joining the world trade organization, and finally president yanukovych and his assistants realized that this could indeed be a problem, because if hmm something is not done, so that we simply close the border with ukraine for duty-free import of goods, otherwise, a stream will pour out of the european union. which, uh, otherwise, we defend as part of this, and then yanukovych asked at the entrance to the eastern partnership summit in the fall of 2013. e asked to postpone the signing of this agreement, a, and
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this was precisely what triggered the maidan, and especially i remember, uh, the lithuanian leaders got excited. how so? here, uh, i'm ready to talk with yanukovych, despite all his imperfections, they lowered him into a decent public for sure. and here he is misbehaves like that. well, all the same, here we are looking at the uh, uh conflict around ukraine but in general, today, from the point of view of the collective west, it looks like the west’s position on ukraine well, almost for granted, but it’s not for me to tell you, it contrary to american diplomatic tradition, if you look, starting with george washington, the first president of the united states, who categorically warned the united states against becoming involved in european conflicts that are not directly related to american interests and many other american presidents have spoken about this from your point of view. let's
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digress for a second from who is right and who is wrong in arguing about ukraine. well, understandable. why is this an existential problem for russia. and why did the collective west become so indignant because there really was something in ukraine that was very important for the collective west , or just a pretext for grabbing at the throat in russia, and russia turned out to be just a convenient pretext. to demonstrate my rage and unity, i i think it's both. uh, the reason here is that they were waiting for an excuse to cling to russia, but they were waiting for the moment , uh, to do it exactly, because russia began to be perceived as too independent a player that is gaining uh, well, maybe not such a powerful economic force,
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like china, india, but nevertheless remains in mind, leading economies and has, uh, quite serious moral and political positions, if you like, in the international arena, and speaking on key issues for developing countries from a position of justice with a position of criticism, then there is a system that the west would like to maintain formally in the post-colonial era already in the post-colonial era, nevertheless, on the same principles and principles that mean the desire to live for others, by the way, and i simply did not answer the previous question regarding georgia, the events in georgia of course they are orchestrated from outside and they are of the same nature. this is also a desire to create an irritant on the borders of russia, and, uh, an irritant in a country where the current government is the same as the yanukovych government. in the thirteenth year thinks before
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all about the economic interests of his country and refuses. as you know, joining the anti-russian sanctions is motivated not by the fact that they are pro-russian politicians, but by the fact that economic trade relations with the russian federation are gas supplies hmm, counter deliveries of borjomi wine, cognacs, and those household products. they generally provide the lion's share of income. georgian georgian foreign trade budget and they do not want to give it up. although they are forced to uh, sacrifice their national interests, that is, both there and there , were not at all about the russian governments , just governments that thought about themselves, and not about what they were ordered to, after all, i already mentioned the americans to you somehow. they are convincing. here you have to do so-and-so for the question. and what we will have in return most
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often follows the answer in return. we will not punish you, that is, there is no equal mutually beneficial exchange, no exchange of such mutual deals, i do not observe russia has really been declared an existential threat, but immediately threats that needed to be completed as soon as possible. and the next e threats. well, for the time being, the formation of a long-term constant challenge. uh, the world's west announced china just uh in beijing re-elected for a third term as chairman. and uh, there were hopes in washington until recently. and what, and how do you start to show china, but if you want a more positive approach to the united states and will
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succumb to american pressure more, and with regard to russia, they even said that this is the fact that the minister of foreign affairs of china and appointed a former chinese ambassador to washington that this already speaks to uh, a new chinese receptivity to the american argument. well, when i look at what the chinese leaders of the chinese press are saying now, in general, it looks like it’s all the other way around, if you have the impression that the united states is putting pressure on china and, as you said, i explain that beijing should behave? according to american recipes, otherwise you will get something that will not seem a little to you and without providing any incentives in general incentives, as well as goals for you, that it had a direct opposite effect. and that china
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must not have become very willing. uh, more move in the direction of russia's close support of the americans masters set against themselves. and they have uh, many ways to do this, but uh, the main one, probably the main one is manners, which uh. it cannot be called diplomacy, uh, which are, in fact, such dictates of the form of dictates of the form of demands, and i spoke with the minister, the new minister of the people's republic of china , mr. qinggang, we met on the sidelines of the g20 ministerial events in new delhi. and i saw his statements about the continuity of chinese foreign policy, what about? predictions that if the ambassador worked in a country and
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was appointed minister of foreign affairs at home, then he will favorably and even somewhere in a good sense in a positive sense be biased towards relations with this country in the future. well, this probably happens when the manners are correct. and here is our ambassador antonov washington, whom you know well, he is experiencing enormous problems. just in relation. uh, some contacts and at our own level at the level of our employees not because we really want to meet every day with american employees of the state department or other american firms, but because questions arise. washington, er, opened any doors. uh, according to my knowledge, this was written several times,
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he also had difficulties with the adjustment. here are such daily contacts. uh, i didn’t talk to him about this, but according to him remarks during our talks on his press conference, which he gave on the opening day of the regular session of the chinese people's congress. i didn't notice any. well, you don't know the changes in the course that was determined in the russian-chinese bilateral documents. e, the whole package of these documents and one of the most important are now in force a year ago on february 4 during president putin's visit to beijing , in conjunction with the opening of the olympiad, the an official document of the un and which underlies all our further actions. you
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mentioned, uh, meeting in new delhi and uh, on the sidelines of that meeting. eh, you had as i understand it. a short conversation with the state secretary. why? it was such an interesting, uh, moment, because prior to this , uh, the state department had categorically stated that, damn it, was not going to meet with you, not with the foreign minister, of china at this event this week. ah. well, firstly, i was struck by the contrast of their previous statements that nothing will happen and what they showed to organize this meeting, but on the other hand. that is why it could not be done in a format where there could be really some
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meaningful conversations. why do you think this meeting was requested by the american country and from your point of view, what happened at this meeting? what with what could you share with us, well, it was already on both sides. uh message made. e that we discussed the situation in the field of strategic stability in the context of strategic offensive arms treaties and the ukrainian topic, so i'm not revealing any secrets. uh , in regards to what we were talking about, we didn't discuss anything else, other than these two bodies, contrary to the state department, we didn't say any more, you didn't discuss the prisoner exchange. we discussed only strategic stability and the ukrainian topic and uh. well, i don't want to go into the details of how this short ten
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minute conversation came together, but basically. eh, everything that i heard fits into the already known publicly voiced repeatedly i gave the emphatic position of the united states of america in this regard. naturally, a detailed explanation, especially as regards the strategic offensive arms treaty. uh, our position was explained in detail by the president in his message to the federal assembly. uh, so there 's nothing new from the secretary of state here either. what gave you at least some feeling that this was an attempt to establish some kind of at least cautious but constructive dialogue with
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russia we spoke constructively without any emotion. we shook hands when we met and when we parted. it was a normal conversation. i don't know how this reflects the understanding of the united states. uh, the situation is absolutely abnormal, when they cut off all channels of dialogue. uh, but just to talk like a human being. uh, on the sidelines of some event - it was never a sensation. it was. well, it was not a civilized conversation without rudeness. yes, absolutely civilized conversation, as i said, but this shows once again how low everyone has fallen in our multilateral diplomacy. if this is a natural meeting on the sidelines of what it was well, hundreds now it is considered
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as some kind of even a reason for guessing about whether this is a breakthrough or not a breakthrough. if there is any hope that the dialogues will be restored, it is unfortunate. this is such a sad psychological perception of an elementary diplomatic contact. uh, says that we, uh, have seriously complicated our work as a result of this course that the west has adopted and which the west is not going to stop, but the course to suppress any dissent. and while e. and with regard to russia , extremely aggressive expressions are used, extremely aggressive rhetoric, but the action, which is expressed primarily in illegal sanctions of unprecedented sanctions, shows what
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the west has really decided for itself. and that this is a war not for life, but to the death. this is a hybrid war, which he prepared long before last year right after the lord and the gate, and he perceives it. how uh how this is this is our last decisive battle. that's about the way they have their international back. and here it is theirs completely, you can see how this one is dying under the name of the internationale can reflect the desire. the west won't give in, at least that's what they say, and you've heard, uh, regular statements. for some reason , bill burns said here yesterday that it is not clear that russia is interested in a peaceful settlement. and the fact that zelensky is interested. i see. is he again at the same time with bill behrens. e
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said that he will never sit down at the negotiating table with putin, this is out of the question, and only uh, the complete victory of ukraine uh, and he has allies in other formats. and where will he decide the issues of the future of his country on and at the same time here are my western colleagues. we'll say we're not walking away from negotiations not because we're begging them to negotiate. we do not see any opportunity to negotiate now, but we are simply emphasizing this topic in the face of an unceasing wave of statements that it is so bad that russia does not want negotiations, at least someone read what zelensky says, at least someone remembered the ones signed in september. decree prohibiting negotiations. they look at you with such
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i and hybrid war is war. how do you, if i understand correctly, said that it has almost become a real war? well, there is a very real war, and i mean now, not even what is happening on the battlefields in ukraine, but also terrorist attacks and uh. the last of them, which attracted the most attention, for obvious reasons. this nord stream detonation is one of nord stream 2 that appeared on the most sensational article about the best , more sensational outside the united states than in america where it was preferred to be ignored. well, now there are reports in e authoritative american publications such as the new york times in a sharp
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pull. and the washington post is in germany a. about the fact that this undermining was carried out by some strange anonymous group, or either ukrainians, or russian oppositionists, or both another company, uh, that organized this, was allegedly registered in poland and carried out its attack from germany , but, for the first time , it is admitted in this context that the american compulsory services knew about this operation. if not in advance, then already many months ago, and at the same time someone even tried to point a finger at russia as the party responsible for these explosions, and under all conditions they still do not
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want to say. what is known about this operation? who did it? who was the customer and it causes? naturally questions. what is the role of the united states in this whole situation? do you think the biden administration is responsible for what happened with nord stream one and nord stream 2 , in order to speak out unequivocally , an objective investigation is needed, and this is what we are striving for, and as soon as it appeared. uh, investigation, investigative journalism. we asked relevant questions. rather a question. we asked immediately after this terrorist act. we both publicly and uh, in writing on behalf of our negative government sent an appeal to its
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we have sent numerous notes of official diplomatic notes to our colleagues in germany, denmark and sweden, to these countries with a request, uh, to give us answers and allow us, first of all, to participate in the inspection, uh, of the section of the gas pipeline that has become the gas pipelines that have become the object of a terrorist act. there is no clear reaction, except that we ourselves will figure it out. this is an investigation. for the time being it is closed. you will know about everything, but this letter was sent to the chairman of the government of the russian federation in september last year remain without any official response at all. this is about manners. a. well, not only i think, here , in addition to manners, there is also confusion, but these countries, and they do not know what to object, especially after
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they have published everything. somewhere his research and promised, by the way, to say continue to publish additional estimates. additional findings. we for us, this served as an additional factor that forced us to submit a resolution on this un security council, which is now being discussed, which we will definitely let's put it to a vote. ah, but we want an investigation. and here, well, first of all, when hersh published his material. this gentleman of the surname, in my opinion, is price, who is at the end of his career in the state department. rather, the press service goes somewhere directly subordinate, damn it, he called the movie nonsense. and as before, everything that concerns facts
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pointing to a possible role in the united states, even i would say a very likely role, the government of the united states all this is called nonsense nonsense. ah, fiction and so on and no investigation is needed, they say, national investigations are underway. that's enough, and all of a sudden, these days they coordinate their public hmm ideas and projects very poorly these days, uh, madam mistress, you can still say the genre. uh, she uh, at a briefing demanded an international investigation into reports of their poisoning in schools, the islamic republic of iran an international investigation. and on the issue of when no one there, by the way, in my opinion, did not suffer much in advance, but on the issue of a direct attack
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attacks on the object of the political energy infrastructure investigations are not necessary, because the swedes are the danes and the germans. they will figure it out themselves. you know that in principle in western states in their basic laws. an attack on critical infrastructure is tantamount to a declaration of war. and in this particular case, if it is established that a terrorist attack against a nato country against its critical infrastructure was organized by another nato country, a question arises. and what then is the meaning of the north atlantic alliance , which declared its goal, supposedly to protect
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member countries from attacks from the outside if it allows an attack at the same time? here is a rather interesting question. and when i threw it in, you mentioned it in the last wave of materials, uh, in the american and partly in the german press. e, about the new new versions, and the ukrainian oligarch, who is better to confess himself. uh, about him, they didn’t want to talk about the ukrainian trace, but because it could spoil herman’s ukrainian relations and stuff like that. you know, first of all, of course, this is baby talk. and secondly, even if we accept the logic that now they are stating. uh, how would you like to secure, uh, strategic relations between the frg and ukraine well, this is such a pig,
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planted by and large, because if you wanted to write everything off. on some ukrainian or there about a ukrainian trained diver, but no longer in the service, but anyway, if they wanted to throw in a ukrainian trace, but an inhabitant in germany, as, probably, in any other country, of course , will wonder. well, this is ukraine again, the ukrainian trace, they exploded the nord stream, because of which, as stated von der lein, well, not only because of the nord stream, but because of problems with energy raw materials, and the european union was paying 300% more for energy and then recently the head of the international energy agency. and he said that this is now forever. and
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there will no longer be a return to the past prices, which ensured the economic well-being of europe, including germany, therefore, the layman against this background. he also reads all these assessments. yes, now scholz. uh, boasted that we survived the winter and the russian plan e did not worked. we didn't have any plans , they had plans to turn off russian gas, but they survived the winter, but uh. how much it cost the budget and, accordingly , the taxpayers are not very eager to tell the burghers this one question. and why do i need ukraine at all, why then, if they blow us up? whoever he is agent such uh paid by someone from abroad, or just a loner. why do i need to
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send leopards there? why do i need to accept this country into nato that is, i think there are many more questions here. e because of this attempt to literally make it so that the ends are in the water both literally and figuratively, but you mentioned that the special services warned in advance there was information. wall street. jones if i'm not mistaken. yes, it was volzhsky john where it was said that back in june and july. and the cia warned the secret services of germany and other european countries about the ukrainian trace, which is being prepared, but this one is underway. it was established that the sled was ukrainian, that is, in
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june they warned that it would be, and in september it was established that it was. well, you know, somehow this is all very frivolous, not in an adult way. and uh, he uh asked me a question i want to forward to you. he asked me what i think russia can do in response. can there be any negative consequences from russia for the united states and sergeyevich is not for me to tell you that you know america very well and political washington that, in general, very often they fewer questions are asked about the quality of russian arguments, and more.
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what would be the specific consequences for the united states if there is not an objective investigation , which you said that it is quite likely that if, uh, russian requests, but go unanswered, is it fair to say that one way or another, uh, scattering will find opportunities to respond to this fact affecting the fundamental russian interests is not, i’ll say it anyway. you have no idea how my hands itch at the head of the foreign political department. we have our own methods. i will not go into any forecasts, i will not guess. after the soviet union disappeared
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america's sovietology disappeared and you are probably one of the brightest yet. mastodontov is the bearer of this science, but still sovietologists, they are also russologists. and they should have remained to some extent and should have been in demand , no matter what happened. now, as i understand it, they are again involved in consulting advice, but we have many russian proverbs that sovietologists should know about this “measure seven times, cut once.” and russian peasant harnesses for a long time, but then quickly rides. i don’t want to threaten anyone, i don’t want to hint at anything , but i just know that this egregious
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terrorist attack will not remain uninvestigated and if an investigation is blocked, objective, impartial, which will be transparent and which will not be reduced to tom but there the swedes decided something for the danes. well, let it be there, so that will be the final verdict. of course, we will think about how to respond to the west on this direct attack. an attempt on our property by and large . there is another russian proverb i don't want to provoke you. it may be a proverb applicable to the given situation. of which, if not so, is this russian proverb debt by payment, of course, of course, maneuverability and
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sars india firstly, dissatisfaction with china but it was somehow more predictable, especially disappointing is the position of india, which has expanded its trade with russia and, in general, refused to join the sanctions pressure, but on the other hand. e. india has its own interests. uh, first of all, not even the united states with the european union. and so, how would you characterize the course of india a in relation to russia, especially in connection with the ukrainian crisis. well, actually, you said that india is primarily driven
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by its own interests, like any a normal country, of course, india, as an uplifting content in asia, in parallel with china, india is under increasing pressure from the west, given that it is the west that declares its foreign political strategies as directed against someone. we don’t have that. we are for everything to be within the framework of a multipolar world based on the balance of interests of international law, and so on. the west declares its foreign policy as aimed at containing russia , containing china, and mobilizing others states against russia against china and in india, she is courted from everyone. the sides are seen in it. uh, this is exactly the counterbalance to china
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, given the existence of long-standing problems in relations between the figures and beijing, including border disputes, and uh. we are trying, as the russian federation, to help these problems. decide to overcome all these differences and for this very purpose. more than 20 years ago , our great predecessor, yevgeny maksimovich primakov, took the initiative and the creation of a trio rick russia indians and china a multipolar world. here, then all this the concept was formulated and the diplomatic embodiment of this concept. that was the creation of rick already took place. uh, more than twenty meetings of foreign ministers meet experts from other departments and in agriculture on high technologies, and energy in space and in many other areas, and the west takes the exact
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opposite position to pursue directly opposite goals to poison. india to china and our indian friends are wonderful. they understand this and say frankly that they see these attempts. they see the true goals that pursuing nato by declaring its area of responsibility in the wake of the euro, the atlantic is also the so-called indo-pacific region and nato now. by hook or by crook, they penetrate into this part of the world through the creation of the aukus block, which they now want to expand by connecting to three anglo-saxon countries, they are also looking at japan, they are looking at south korea , they are trying to split the osyans, they have identified among the 10 countries of the osyans, the five of those who will more malleable, but with such an approach, and well,
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much more is done. uh, replacing those mechanisms, including let's say maritime security mechanisms, which were universal. for this entire region, a quat was created. where india was invited by india, the united states, and japan, australia, and indian colleagues, when we discuss this topic with them. they say we participate exclusively for the implementation of economic projects. and uh, of course, all these visits, all these visits are accompanied. um, in fact, the united states does not hide this. e convictions and mandias to join the anti-russian sanctions do not provide there are no opportunities for russia to use indian resources and indian logistics to circumvent western sanctions, and india does not
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go for it. now it has risen. uh, hmm, in the west there is a new hysterical wave, they say, russia is building up even in these conditions. e its foreign trade is a mess. and now they are developing a new strategy in the west to block any channels for circumventing sanctions, that is, this is already. it’s not just that we have announced sanctions against russia and we urge you to do the same. and this is already a ban on being independent. here is the one i already quoted madam, i think jean-pierre, she was here the other day when she was asked how you feel about the fact that two ships in the iranian navy paid a visit to the port of rio de janeiro. she
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said, of course, this is a concern, but any sovereign country. maybe, in general, decide with whom she wants to communicate. correctly very coolly said, but then why the same principle does not apply to relations with russia of all those countries that do not want to apply sanctions, why are they prohibited from absolutely legal forms of seeing and dealing with the russian federation and in the economy and in the investment sphere in the implementation of transport projects. so it's visible to everyone. this does not go unnoticed. we are, uh, many countries. most don't want to. e openly enter into some kind of conflict with the west, they do not want to emulate with them, although voices break through. right now, the macron was in
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the democratic republic of conga e where the president of dna chiki explained to him how to speak politely with partners. on the african continent, even whether they are historically recent at the same time depends apparently, yes, before that there were colonies, including french ones. i imagine myself badly, like this one very much. the negative charge that accumulates as a result of this dictate is the hegemony of the west. how can it dissolve on its own? and now it is very difficult to imagine how the conflict around ukraine can be resolved. well, in general, we know from history that conflicts end, or military escalations. the victory of one of the parties, which is rather difficult to imagine or e. they continue in one form or another for quite a long time.
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and ends not even necessarily with some kind of formal world, but with the establishment of some new world order, there are many examples of this. than this is not at all necessary, what the parties to the conflict hoped for. and now i have a feeling that , in addition to the significance of ukraine, in addition to dissatisfaction in the west, primarily washington , with russia’s independent policy, that, in general, we have come to some kind of dead end, and in the development of the world order built, if you want to dominate the west, moreover, domination not only geopolitical, but, if you like, cultural in a civilizational sense, if you have feelings and understand that this is not a very fair
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question, because you are the minister of foreign affairs. and, probably, you don't want to go down to free swimming and speculation on civilizational issues. if you have the feeling that we are on the threshold. some kind of, well, if you like, a fundamental breakdown or construction of the entire international political system. i think that when speaking about the consequences of the global aspects of the ukrainian crisis, the word breaking is quite appropriate. and i agree with you. as a matter of fact, several times in my in his speeches, he mentioned that the formation of a new multipolar world of order is now underway. but that this is a process that
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will not end quickly, which will make up an entire historical epoch, i am convinced of this . e that the west, having significantly weakened its global positions, in parallel , nevertheless, while maintaining a serious influence in the economy in technologies in the military sphere, in parallel , this weakening of its positions is relatively and is trying to compensate for the sharply increased aggressiveness, primarily in the military-political sphere. and in the area the suppression of competitors by, uh, illegitimate methods, this is just the speech of the rules on which the smell wants to base its accountable world order when a demonstrator is in georgia. everything is possible, but in moldova the same demonstrator cannot do anything. when poisoning
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in iranian schools should be made the subject of an international investigation, and an explosion in nord stream. this is nonsense , it is not necessary to investigate it. when i gave an example, iranian ships entered the brazilian port. well, it’s kind of bad, but it’s still strange that sovereign uh, pick your partners. and why, then , this principle is not extended to relations between india and russia, e. between other countries of russia, and here is the most, e-e fresh example - this is such an, e, political figure by the name of cloverly. e, who is currently heading the trout office in the united kingdom at this stage, and he was quoted just the other day. he said the faldlands belonged to
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the uk because that's what the people said they were for. and in crimea , residents did not speak out for what they want again to be a part of russia. there are a great many such examples. that is why when you ask your american european british colleagues a question, guys. ok then. you write rulesbey, stuntder, world order based on rules everywhere. you can see the rules no, you can't see these rules just as you can't see them. uh, a list of the names of those people whose bodies were shown in the kiev suburb of bucha on april 3 this year with the accusation of russia that this was her handiwork under this mute here sanctions have been imposed to this day. we cannot
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achieve. at least these names no investigation. nobody speaks at all. just like no one is talking about, but races. the crimes of may 2, 2014 in odessa, when 50 people were burned alive, there are video frames with the image of those who did it, just like no investigation. uh, no one will, at least not make transparent about, uh, incidents. in salisbury, 1918, no one presents documents that confirm the stated version of the poisoning of navalny in twentieth year. the germans told us. we cannot give you this. and this was the most interesting explanation, uh, after all, he had. when they brought navalny to a civilian clinic, they found nothing there, they found nothing in a military clinic. and when we said, well, show us the analysis, the germans answered us, we can’t
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do it, because yes, you will learn about the level a of our knowledge, a in biology in the field of biological safety, uh, that we have. well, is it right, i understood you, and we found it. i just mean that with such orders with such rules. eh, just like we said. it is impossible to live like this in the last days of the soviet union. this is exactly what i wanted to end our conversation with. i know how little time you have. well, i have one question. i'm sure russia doesn't want to say. i am sure that russia is interested in some reasonable solution to the ukrainian problem. naturally, a decision that will be based on the fundamental interests of russia that even when all this happens, even if all this turns out to be possible, it will not radiate, to return to the
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post-cold war world, that russia will insist and strive for the foundation to emerge. there is a different world order of course, there can be no return to the old, but the west also speaks. e that business, as usual, is excluded, but we do not need to convince ourselves of this for a long time to draw all the conclusions if nothing has taught us. stories between the two world wars in the last century were questioned.
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this is the alliance that made it possible to defeat hitler. and our western colleagues, at the official level, long before the current events in ukraine, began to do exactly this, laying equal blame on the soviet union and hitler, first of all, the fact of the hammer in the ribbentrop - this is the trigger of world war ii, then that paris and london signed the same thing with hitler the year before, the munich conspiracy, the role of poland in this is the same is taboo. and then the second front is in the textbooks history has long been recorded as the turning point of world war ii. well, when they celebrated the 75th anniversary of the victory in the twentieth year of the white house, maybe you saw a commemorative medal issued such a desktop victory over fascism and there are three american flags, british and
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french. it's not that there is no soviet or russian flag. it doesn’t even say that in addition to these three countries, there were still some who fought with hitler, and i can say the same about germany long before the current events in our conversations. we began to feel on different levels. i will try to formulate what we were told not verbatim, but the thought is very clear, dear friends, germany has paid everyone for everything a long time ago, we no longer owe anything to anyone. and this is now when you retrospectively remember all this. do you understand that this is not just a separate isolated episode of everything? i’m saying now, this is a reflection, like the wear of monuments, like demonstrations, in honor of the veterans of the wafen
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ss in the baltics and ukraine, frankly neo-nazi and nazi units with nazi chevrons and all of ours. appeals to somehow look at it to condemn it to prevent the entry of fascism completely ignored the conclusions that we are now drawing, well, we must inevitably consider the version that nazism was again needed in europe again nazism was needed and again it was needed in order to direct him against us or as a means of deterring russia from turning it into an independent force. i do n’t know what the new world order will be like, but we still sincerely signed documents that contain the principles to which we are true
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until now, but which the west has trampled on. first of all, this is the indivisibility of security , the unacceptability of attempts to strengthen one's security at the expense of infringing on the security of others, and the inadmissibility of a situation where any country or any organization. wants to claim dominance in the international arena. this is, in fact, everything that has been signed in the osce since 1999, and then they spit on it and trampled it and said, well, these are political political obligations. well, yes, political, but they were signed by the presidents and chancellors and prime ministers. so, uh , of course, the indivisibility of security is synonymous with a balance of interests, when you have to agree on how to live. and not forcing someone every month shows
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you with someone you trade and whether you have violated any prohibitions. and simply, working within the framework of a single global trading system, after all, the world trade organization. now why do they want to reform? because those of its principles, on which it was based and which were formulated primarily by the americans and the british and their allies, they ceased to suit them, because on the basis of these principles, china has achieved much more than the west, it beat them on their rules, and now the world trade organization is also blocked there. just uh, the americans are discriminating against chinese kits. china is filing absolutely justified claims to the authority. for the settlement of disputes, the americans have not allowed this body
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to work for many years, simply blocking the appointment of characters that are necessary for a quorum. that is, it is such an elementary one , well, you know how small it is in the yard hooliganism. and now they are demanding. here on twenty in india have written down. yes, we recorded everything. let's reform the fiber trading organization. well, who will be against reforming, if there is one? e doesn’t work, but er, i hear voices talking about the new world order about the new architecture. and what are we doing in the world trade organization for 17 years, we were negotiating with blood and then we bargained for ourselves protection for our still not very developed industries of the service sector. and now this is all justice, but it turned out to be what they told us, yes, you, according to wto standards, uh,
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have the right to trade and sell and buy. well, the wto has such a clause. what if some country considers some situation a threat to its security, but it can do whatever it wants to do. therefore, it is useless to go to court. here is a similar situation. we are now evaluating with our colleagues from the government from economic financial institutions. uh, in regards to bretting into narrow institutions. this is also a creation of the united states, and uh, when we after a the disappearance of the soviet union was rethinking its future position in the world, it was one of our tasks to fit into the structure of a civilized society, and this civilized society is now in the form
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of the international monetary fund of the world bank. and our contributions are equity capital. eh, in general, frostbite. and our attempts to figure out what to do next with this share capital have also not been very successful so far. we would probably be ready to use it for a good cause, especially since the world bank has a lot of aid programs for developing countries. but in the current frozen state, our funds in the world bank cannot even be used for these purposes, therefore , he speaks of justice, he does not have to at all, and please note that in the statements of the chinese leadership, the last year after the start of the ukrainian operation. yes china for peace, we appreciate it and appreciate its calls
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to respect. charter, there we are speaking from the same positions. ah, and we interpret mustafon not selectively, but in its entirety, including the inadmissibility of infringement and the rights of peoples to the very definition and china began to emphasize the principle of the indivisibility of security. here is the last year in applying the global landscape not only in europe as it was proclaimed in 1999, but also in applying the global landscape. i think this here philosophical absolutely coincides with our approach. and of course we are with chinese friends. we will develop our coordination in the international arena. of course, we will proceed from the premise that this indivisibility of security must be embodied in legally binding documents. it was very interesting conversation. thanks for
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