so, he is ready to exist in this and he likes it, you know? this choice of this loneliness is a kind of, as it were, motivation and, uh, talent. here she was nourished in this loneliness. she nurtured her talent in this. there is tragedy in this drama, but this is her life, and she likes it, of course. let's be honest, the family takes away a lot of energy. so i can say that the more and between the nimit, the more unsolved. it is the reason for this popularity, which continues to this day. uh, she really does seem to there is some mystery, because the events. they really touched us all, nothing out of the ordinary lost my son there, uh, i don’t know in the hole. eh, jumped, they got her out of there , it became like a post-strovsky actress. i think, well, well, yes. but, perhaps, some kind of

dissatisfaction. it exists for all of us. it seems to me that i'm so dissecting, but i don't even have one award, uh, there isn't. well, there are several, by the way, she received awards for the best performance of ranevskaya on stage. and this is an international theater festival. here, i'm just and anyway i also want your fifth tenth, and there are these here , uh, funeral accessories, which she called these orders and medals, their whole pillow is really both state and stalinist awards. and and what is it? it's not easy, it's not easy. i remember when we became the winner of the all-union competition with jan zazorov, we shared one time. it was enough for us to buy a bottle of cognac there for about 15 rubles. and this, uh, this is money, this 100,000 was not recognized, yes, yes, he said. and that's why he says, uh, about which actor about prozharov,

he says, whoever he plays always plays the same way, but changes the makeup. and here she says, faida georgievna seems to be without makeup, but everywhere is different all the time, that is, she was recognized as another matter, which is really. she couldn’t play, you see the aphelia, but there is such a pair of mustaches, she will stick a beard on, but anyway, it’s always clear that this is the artist zharov but the artist ranevskaya never sticks anything, but anyway, this podcast is always very different. and larisa guzeeva, my guests were galena, finished and olga khokhlova thank you thank you. thank you. hello this is a free program podcast. i am maxim tronkov. and today we have a special guest as our guest, we all know that this is georgievna tutberidze. very rarely gives

interviews, but believe me. there is another person who gives them even less often, this is the honored coach of russia sergey viktorovich dudakov. greetings, maxim i'm always glad to see you. sergey why did you get such an unspoken title as the most mysterious person in figure skating? why do you rarely give interviews because that, well, don't like to give them. 'cause you're more of a man of action, than words, most likely, yes, the best work. than let's interview. well, anyway. i am very glad that you have come today and what is the big all-encompassing thing? i hope the interview, well, first of all. we have known each other for a long time. i think this will make our conversation easier. no need to be so nervous. i know it's stressful for you. here but i hope that i will help you to pass this stress easily. let's start from childhood. who brought you to the skating rink

figure skating appeared in my life. well , i think he's probably like all the guys. and who means started playing sports. this, of course, is my parents, mom and dad, that is, it was probably 75 years old, december is the month of winter. why they are hockey, but i don’t know, probably, after all, probably, my mother was stronger. my mother had stronger arguments, probably, so it was very fashionable that figure skating was a period. they gave me figure skating. here in the seventy-sixth year , somewhere in the month of may, six months later, marina grigorievna kudryavtse was recruiting for a thief in their group of children initial training. it turns out that you have been rolling with the kudryavtsevs almost all your life. yes noted to the end. yes, listen , you had success in, uh, in juniors and so on, but you can’t say that you never became a superstar there, like an adult. yes, but for an adult, it’s more like an average. that is, there are

sixth and seventh places, and with a junior. yes, i won the ussr championship in 1984. i was one year old. oh looked not interested. i think even then i suspected that someday we would get to know this here, and then back in during my new york period, i, as it were, went to the world cup in 1986, was selected in the third number, got into the national team, and we went from the world among the euro. and why didn’t you overcome the vice of the junior team? oh yes, i sort of analyzed this time. well, i guess now i'm like, probably, like a coach. yes, i can say that, probably, internal discipline was not enough, patience patience. yes, it burned out somewhere. yes, most likely so, and you never regretted that here is the champion himself. i think that we all when well, look back,

what happened to us, of course, we draw conclusions and for sure, probably, yes, something at this moment, i would have done differently. here, maybe i paid more attention to this point. yes, of course, yes, we realized ourselves in our students. and it's a hundred times already a thousand times, therefore, i think that there is still something of self-satisfaction. yes? no, a always wants to move forward. well, it's not just my students. these are our common students of this dahlia, daniil markovich. well, in mine. and when you made the decision that everything the sport is over, i'm moving on. and in the ninety-first year, such a decision came and an understanding that yes, the time was already difficult. no, and how things went for me in sports, because i realized that i should count on getting into the national team. yes, that is, the first three places, to participate in the european championships start their world. that is, i have, well, the first three.

and so let's remember a good moment urmanov yes urmanov alex tatarov dimka gromov everyone is now a coach yes, yes, you did not immediately become a coach , right? no uh, well the next question is yes what do? and i thought that i need the mind to know how to ride. sorry the ticket was then, but 21 years old. and that is 21 years already, yes, well, the decision has come that yes, more. well, no matter how seriously i can't. then something's gotta move on. i decided to try it, an invitation came. yes, that is, i worked for 2 years in england then in germany for 3 years and now you look, you are, let’s say, from perestroika russia yes, you are a soviet child from perestroika russia moved to somewhere, directly as a conglo-saxon to england yes, there to foggy albion it

seems to me there must have been some contrast to be or you have already traveled as an athlete. traveled quite a lot. and well , there is not much contrast, that is. and what , probably, was the contrast in the first place - this is probably the contract system, because all your actions are spelled out in the contract, that is, for a russian person. this, of course, here was. well, yes, yes, yes, it was a curiosity that some kind of responsibility, of course, of course, yes, i was late for the rehearsal. that is, you will immediately pay the story, like you. how did you get your first foreign car in russia, i now know this story, so i would like what you told. well, who stole or not? here you can tell about it. and the first foreign car - it was. yes, we worked one season in england. well, as if it were always a dream, but the fact is that i have the right, but i did not know how to drive

a car at all. i just knew the theory. and so we flew to germany to pick up our cars, which we had already bought. so they flew to bob, that is, i didn’t see him live. you bought somehow do not look, yes, yes, well, they said what year what mileage? yes, this suits me. we all flew. we took our cars. and so we sat down and went to moscow, i don’t know how to drive. i got to moscow well done guys. the mechanics pinched me. well, this period of your life is also over for you. you knew right away. even when you may have been walking, that you would come to coaching, that you might not have thought yet, there was still a ship, yes, this is the final stage. the work of my shows and how it is very strange for me, but one moment that you enter the ship, and it turns out you live there, in a cabin. i don't know 2x2 2x2 cruise ship is huge. yes, you are not everywhere you can walk because you are somehow serving some staff. yes, hmm, there are

tolerances, that is, and ice cast is the so-called. yes, this ice show has the status of officers. uh-huh , and in principle, we kind of could go to a bar, you could go, you could or it was separate. listen, and that's how much it turns out for you for half a year you were on the voyage or a contract for half a year, yes, 2 weeks of a staging period of rehearsal and a half a year contract and it was interesting, yes, you go to the karims , you go on a ship. yes we know they float of course, a was all interesting, that is, new islands. each cruise is a new island. that is, the caribbean is a very exotic place, the sea is very very beautiful, the water is perfect, that is, the ship has a draft of 9 m in the port, you see? well, you see, it's a terrific

little insider, then you're just from me. i know that you are afraid of flying on a plane. well, there is such a phobia, let's say, that you cope with, but nevertheless. you don't feel very comfortable. uh, well, i can say that this year, that is, i i fly much better in the same way on a ship then generally calmly generally calmly. that is, you are now worries without anything calm. i love water me water even than seriously, yes, the plane is not generally calm. do you go to the sea or in the pool? well, it's always the same way, it means that we understand each other and why you decided to return from this beauty from these heavenly places. here in cold moscow, also in moscow, rebuild such a post. well, you understand maxim well, there always comes a time to make a decision. that is, well said enough, then it was very fashionable to leave to stay. i realized that not mine is not mine. yes?

it's cool. yes, it's interesting, like there the first two weeks, and then it somehow becomes boring , somehow dreary. and i wanted to go home , i wanted to go home, yes, i seriously missed the contract all the time. i missed home all the time, that is, after the contract you return to moscow, you decide that you stay in moscow and go to kuda khrustalny immediately to the crystal stalls. it was still reached. tell kommersant well, i tried, well, not quite you tried yourself in business not right away happened. yes, not mine, but what was that business? and an ordinary tent at the station, and what did he sell? and what in the tent managed to remember? well, snickers, i think, yes, hershikov's lemonades are sweet, how many years has crystal glass been? it turns out? so wait, i had a break. uh, in 2.000 the second year.

yes, i just came secret, i had health-improving groups. these are kids from scratch who are taking their first steps on the ice. there, at the age of 4-5 years , do you remember your first salary? well, of course, what a well , small, how much did you lose by finishing ride in the show. it was a big difference. yes, and you never regretted that you took off, let's say, the skates in which you are well, because the time has come already, as if coaching. the fact is that it's already 31 years old and how long it can go on. i won’t go out skating all my life, and it looks like, let’s say, on equal systems, they come at 18-19 years old. yes, you understand, so it would be better to leave in time. and you know that we will have a tournament soon.

show programs did not think to apply no, and you're such a joke. i'm the man under him. how find out you'll participate. i don’t know if even i think that i will be hospitalized sooner. okay, lyrical clutch is also stressful, the situation is for you. yes, well, yes, i'm more of a realist and a pessimist, which is why it's difficult. ah, where did we stop, were the tents? cool yes. okay, why? i reveal in general as a person who, damn it, is just fine, or how they are sleeves that rubbed into an abortion all my life. well, well, that's what's happening now. well, now this is how much everything has been done before. and yet each beater somehow. uh, back to crystal. yes here you have small children, uh, children and you never had. it's boring with them to take into account the steps of both the teacher and the coaches, right? that is,

i was wondering, of course, then i passed. children grow better somewhere, because how much you felt that you were succeeding, and it can be seen that the children are progressing. yes, that is, here we are, they did not know how to stand. now i look, they have gone, oh, they are already going, they have already learned how to make sweeps. here are the first triple turns, waltz triples. there are triplets forward inside. flip-flop appeared rotation appeared when you look that yes, it seems, as if it were not bad and it turns out. but basically there are always three groups on the ice, that is, three coaches and you watch. and how are things there? are they? yeah, how are mine? that is, you compare and you compete in absentia. yes, there is a little bit like that, but the moment and you look it turns out. and why not try further, and what is the most difficult to teach? well , for me it’s generally simple. i honestly tell you why i’m just afraid of this like fire, because i don’t know how to teach at all

little children. here are the first steps. and here's what was the hardest thing for you. children, probably, after all, these are the first steps, when they absorb, they absorb it with their eyes. that is, they must understand, visually see it. that is, you must have yes, then i was still young, still moving and not visually like now. yes step by step. let's try it doesn't work. okay, let's get there. let's try once it starts to work. that is, some special technique. you didn't use you no these are my first steps and feel. yes, that is. well, probably , he still started from the fact that when he studied himself, when marina grigoryevna explains, when viktor nikolaevich says something, what do you think, that's in modern figure skating. what time do parents bring their kids to the skating rink? now is the most optimal age, because 4 years, probably 4 years. but that is, there are some three years. children

are amazing, as if developed, yes, that is, they understand. they are talking to the coach. they move well, that is, well, everything is relative, that is, individually individually, of course. for those who have just joined us, let me remind you that our guest is the most mysterious person in russian figure skating, team member eteri georgievna tutberidze. sergei viktorovich dudyakov. i always have a question. only one at all to our team. yes to uh tintu, beridze, the so-called, right? how can you help an athlete to overcome this fear, for example, before a quadruple jump? that is, how can you motivate it, how do you do it? well, as if there is no motivation, that is, we let everything down not only me, that is, these are the regions. yes, do not margarine, we all participate in this process, and how would we look. yes, an athlete visually. that is, he comes in, he has a reserve.

that is, well, the margin of the jump, that is, the height of the jump , a good speed of rotation, also with a margin, that if it condenses a little on creativity supports the grouping, then it can calmly, maybe twist. well, at least 3.5. yes, that is, from this we can build on the fact that he enters the jump correctly. that is, it catches the vertical axis exactly, that is, without any conclusions one way or the other. well, how would it be said with an athlete, yes. are you ready. well done. let's try everything, but at the same time. i know that when an athlete is walking. they try it there for the first time, and we, of course, survive. we are experiencing all well know. my left thigh isn't unclenched, is it? yes, let's go back a little and while you were training children in the crystal. that's over. you have the first group. yes, you moved to an older age, they gave you a new one, then you tried it with masha buterskaya.

and how did an adult appear in your life? there, junior, for example, figure skating, how did this or georgievna appear in your life, and just in 2011, this georgievna called and said that she needed an assistant, well, a second coach. and as if i decided to try agreed. why did she call you? you should probably ask the dahlia church , you never asked why i didn’t ask, and you agreed without hesitation, that is, you called, eteri and you went , i won’t ask if you ever or not? volume phone conversation, i did not say immediately. yes there i agree. no just thinking, because i understood the responsibility, because i knew that at that moment uh, waite georgievna were good athletes. this is and who then was polina shelepen, this, well, from the girls. yes, it was julia sticking. here i am, as if i knew that

they were good and serious athletes. and that is, he also understood responsibility. therefore , as it were, then it took place, the conversation a week later, he gave you time to think agreed. and you were with her or this conclusion moment. and how is it now? well, a decent conversation, we speak ie. and of course, there is berber 12, that is, then the athletes. or other people there, of course, interview sergey viktorovich well, anyone can be taught to jump a triple jump. i mean the skater. no, not to anyone. that is, there are still skaters who are not trained in jumping. yes there is, well, no, up to a certain point, someone stops at double. someone cannot step over triples. what do you think, what is missing in the first place in order to master exactly this multi-turn triple jump? this is already considered,

it seems, as if easy, but still it is a multi-turn jump, what is here? probably a complex, probably that there is not enough courage for someone. it is someone who lacks the physical forces of coordinating physics. physics. yes, there is not enough yet, that is, the strength of someone is a traditional moment. well, psychology. yes, someone is afraid and cannot overcome this fear. as far as you see, forward in the child of possibility. here jump multi-turn jumps, and there were such moments in life you were wrong when you were not into someone i believed, but he took it from another coach. no, there weren't any. that is, if you saw that he would not jump, he said he would not, then do not jump. well let me think. even in general, come on, then you see, initially, for example, everything will be relative in a teenager. everything is relative, of course. you see that the reserves are certain to the talent of the child. well, there are a lot of components of labor love. yes, but physical data, that is

, at this point someone will take volumes , someone needs it, there 3-4 times, for example, for example, i say, that is, it’s like, well there is not enough discipline, that is, well, lazy , there are such guys, there are such athletes, that is, everything is relative, someone takes perseverance on his own talent. and what will happen next at the exit, that is, they did not guess in advance. no, well, you can say yes, here. here's a talented kid. yes, you can try it with him. try to study these complex things, and only time will tell, but again there are many components of trauma. no one ruled out that it happens. well, you see it's a fish and a flyby. yes, as they say there is, well, he won’t, he’s a child anyway , or an athlete. yes, he says? no, i'll do that, it's going to be killed and it was. hmm, it happens like that. and what do you see, that, as it were, with complex things , it will not work here. and what do you think? this is your responsibility when before

an athlete, that is, on the one hand , you cannot dissuade him, if a person is a person, there is a desire, but on the other hand. you still need to save it somehow, of course, health, first of all. well, how to convince, that is, and he comes up and says. can i i'll try. yes thursday? yes, with such a no, of course, they say 1,000 at once, not yet ready, that is, you need to work, you need to work out, you need to work there. increase height to increase the height of the jump, that is, well, there are these moments, no. so, yes, i want and he went no, there is no such thing. of course not, but an adult can be taught to jump. now very popular with adults. look how jumping clip is one. yes. or maybe a double sheepskin coat. for example, look, well, i don't know now. it's also very popular. now, uh , the so-called adult. like adults. yes, here now it's fashionable and we have what kind of groups there are , i know that, sort of, yes. hmm there are adults out there who jump wars jump and

study let's say you triple have jump. this is what i didn't see. will you show me? show us with one i can introduce who jumped, where we are going in figure skating, the future of this with your eyes is to drink reverse jumps. well, let's look at ilya malinin, yes, that is, the world of figure skating exploded, and that is, an executive action, moreover, with a zasom, okay? well, here's his example, i guess. you can try, you can try channel one and tinkov represents? for the first time in history, a great champion of both the past and current athletes on an equal footing on the same ice. a battle of generations, an incredible intrigue , a cosmic level of skill. this is not fantasy. this is the reality

of the stars are getting closer 3 2, 1. let's go russian challenge tournament of the strongest skaters live broadcast next saturday of russian figure skating, honored coach of russia sergey viktorovich dudakov from the number of students who passed through you. that's now it is natural. is there someone who you can eat without names? someone who? is it close to you in spirit or in character, or is there some kind of human qualities?

three girls all three claim one gold medal as at this moment. this is where the heart endures. how is it not torn there , torn, i’ll honestly say it’s torn, yes, the three girls were all prepared very well and you worry about each one. that is, each has its own advantages. yes, that is, someone in one is stronger in another. that is, we’ll take it there, if anya shcherbakova that’s it, this is that athlete, which can give the maximum in the given place and in and in. the same time, that is, it always gives out the maximum, that is, character yes character yes, that is, it always gives out better at the moment. it was also a junior, it was even in the special programs. it was . here it was in the adult. she is always on the attack, that is, she goes to make her maximum, and here in this uncompromising

such behavior. after all, it is also, probably, a problem for the coach, as well as in a strong character, right? unconditionally strong character, of course, yes, that is , sasha talked, what sasha come on, probably mm we will make the content that is optimal for today and and for today, what others are doing. that is, so as not to get a lot of dirt, which in the end. bottom line won't let you. well, to score more, that is, according to camila well, camila was in general this season in perfect shape, but it turned out that it turned out, that is , of course, she didn’t cope psychologically, as it were, well, in personal well, yes, if we take personal competitions on olympic games. well, then like, here they are all our children, that is , this is it, well, how are the children in the family? yes, let's say three

five children. we are not in the family, but there are favorites. well, i don’t know, you have, of course, hair zhar tatyana andreevna no, well, as always, as if you wish your children, and i treat them like my own, well, so that everything works out for them and there is no such thing that yes it is , so that this is a little better, so that it doesn’t get worse, so that they succeed. but very often fans and journalists speculate on this topic in such a way that they love someone more than someone less. it's just speculates like that. no. well, as they are all our students - these are all our athletes. they just go out and compete with each other. how do you relieve stress when an athlete fails. so you don't sleep well, maybe you go to a bar? i don't know. well, i can go to a bar. yes, why not, well, analysis analysis

happens analysis? that is, as if hands do not fall in any case, that is, she reacts. i know that you always have a connection that when any competition takes place anywhere in the world at any time, and that is, if the competition is in another city ​​with an athlete, a and terry george or daniil markovich, well, how would you be here in moscow with other athletes, of course , you always always have one hundred percent and years, as we decide by selector what we do in this situation, or in another situation, of course, the discussion is going on, of course, yes, the discussion is going on. yes, this is after the training day, even after the warm-up, if the athlete skates, not the first in the warm-up. yes. but there is time, that is, it is always discussed, right? what content are we going with? if something went wrong, if you are there is always discussion. and to be honest, i

think that this is a very, very cool story, because i felt it myself when we came to your team to try hard. and we also had a separate chat for vova zhenya with you and we we had more coaches. there were about six of us there, in my opinion people, but nevertheless. we all here collectively made a decision, that is, everyone could express. uh, insist on your opinion your opinion of unity and you could agree with it, you could disagree, but it seems to me that when you collectively accept the solution is the athlete. it's only beneficial, right? and then the final word? well, i did not always say the final words. he listens very carefully to everyone. yes, and he makes a decision. but this is partly due to the fact that she is ready to take responsibility for this. of course, it's easier for you. here to be, well there the second, for example.

whatever it was for you, i wouldn’t say it easier, as it were, but i ’m doing my job, that is, hmm, you don’t relieve yourself of responsibility, but at the same time we don’t accept. ah, the final decision. yes i do not i abdicate responsibility. well, anyway, anyway, as a decision. i breathed a sigh of relief when i had someone, because you, i'm still a person who doubts all the time in himself and in everything else. and for me, it was really great that they appeared. here are strong people who said and are doing and that's it. that is already right wrong we decided to go. we have decided this is the moment. or maybe this. or maybe he's leaving. yes? yeah, that's what helps me the most, uh fame and and popularity from the entire team. this is the loss of georgievna do you have jealousy that we work for three, is it the coolest of all or absolutely not? absolutely not, because i

perceive it as uh the overall success of the team, because we are the team it's in charge, that is, i'm from the position. well, to myself and , as it were, to everyone that we are teams and, moreover, i will probably also tell you a little bit. since we have already touched on this topic, since i have already touched this team, which i infinitely consider mine. and the first literally conversation was with georgievna, she immediately made it clear to me. about the team. that is, how important it is in this team to be a team to be open does not do anything behind the back, that it is necessary for the collegiate to make a decision that we do everything together, and that is, it really is, such a direct one. the law is probably the success of your team. well, it's even illegal. perhaps we just understand everything. and it works, and i need this help. what else do you think is

the chemistry of your team? after all, you have been working together for many years, yes, take tandems there, which and you have three yes, there are, for example, i know there were more tandems, probably, which all the same diverged sooner or later , and for so many years already in the same boat, not counting the dog. michelle secret. no , we just simply know that we can trust and rely on each other, well, each other 100%, 100% and not only on the rink, not only on the rink. yes, but you can quarrel then you blame yourself. damn, why did i burn, well, why here it would be possible to remain silent. why was it necessary to heat up the situation? well, nevertheless. i think controversy is born. something i can tell you is very

contradictory person to your outer calmness. there is a lot of passion in you, it seems to me that if this fire of passion did not exist, maybe there would not be such results. well , it's hard for me to say, it's hard to say, well, how are you standing behind the side, and you are the most generally speaking in youth language poker face that is, you are absolutely. well, i ride with an athlete, i know that every hook is every transition. that is, like you, i don’t know how to put on this mask of calmness on myself. i don’t know, but inside yes it happens, yes, that is, if you are athletes something is not turned out, maybe it's not necessary to say some? let's have a secret. well, as it were, well , you ride with him, you ride with him, and, as it were, come on, everything will work out for you. let's follow the link. let's do it.

well, you are just as reserved when an athlete leaves the ice and you have never seen such a reaction, except for kissing covers, and it even has to take time to analyze the performance, that is, some first moments well, with the exception of some errors. yes, there fell there or something else , anyway, some time must pass, that there is an analysis and calmly, then a working form, well, in working order. talk with an athlete, and how exhausting it is. this is non-stop work, i just probably haven’t seen more workaholics. i don't want to offend anyone, but i just know when you and i flew in, if they are wrong, almost from las vegas with the grand prix or from somewhere in asia and i was driving home, there was a day to rest, and you i just went by plane to the skating rink, because there are still children there who are waiting for you for the season, and that’s it. and how do you leave them? well

these are your athletes and you run, you run to the airport, because you know what is acceptable. there are three georgievna left at the competition. yes, they are too, maybe they are away for some, but they are. you are running, it all works, right? yes, although sometimes it happens. well, i want to quit. well, it's such an emotional outburst of some kind, it's all, everything, tired. everything, everything, tired. no, no, of course, if you already have a well-deserved coach as a coach. you have an olympic champion what kind of dreams can there be goals that you, for yourself, which you set for yourself, that is, to learn with your student or student, there is a piterna or 4.5 axel or win 10 world championships or 15 no, there are no such goals, there are no such, you just work, and as if with me the thought, probably, in the sense and desire that in children, yes, it turned out in

sports. here, probably, if there was such an opportunity, hypothetical, you would like to train such an athlete as ilya malinin. you can try, right? well, we need to grow up such athletes of our own, we need to grow up men , someday we will grow up. we need to work on this. necessary work motto we work, we continue to work further. what's the difference? uh, there is a difference in work between working with girls just to say against the backdrop of our group. yeah, girls are more disciplined early than boys. boys. a little later they start, that is, the girls have a dawn. yes, there are 12 to 16, just like that. the boy is a little later. this window appears and before that you still need to bring it up to ride. video next to the success of the girls will not

fall apart do not give up sergey viktorovich dudakov man is not a coach here is a man than you you are fond of what you like, besides the fact that you are very yes now, and i always liked, that is, geography, right? the history has now deepened, that is, the monitor, all these moments are historical, that is, now they have deepened. and that is, i read and i am interested in historical things. yes, computer games. i know what i saw in the coaching room. yes, yes, i’m playing, i’m sitting, with whom are you playing with fedotov or glychingauz? not from the wild. thanks sergei. i think our conversation worked out anyway. i was very pleased to talk with you. and thanks, that his first big interview. you gave

me the maximum tankov. and thank you very much, but he is our dear viewers. i want to keep looking. our podcast is a free program. i hope you were interested. i was interested for sure. good day, dear viewers of channel one. i dmitry bug invite you to the next edition of the literary podcast. let them not speak, let them read. in our podcast, we speak with those who make modern literature, read modern books and classics, and wish you to read with pleasure. today we are doing this together with pavel basinsky writer and columnist. e rossiyskaya gazeta, good afternoon pavel hello very glad to see you. and today

we will talk about what you, uh, wrote in the past years, what you write now and if you allow, and i would start the conversation with your cycle of books about fat women. so after all, it is correct to say a cycle of books about leo tolstoy. and not only about him, but about those who are connected with him in very close ties or complex ties so right when i wrote the first book or in thick, escape from paradise, i did not conceive of any cycle. eh, but then it happened. yes, we can say that the cycle and how many books are already already quite a lot. she considers. the first is israel, then the saint against the lion. this is the tolstoy church is thick. he is kronstadt then a lion in the shade. leo is a mustache, and then i had such a short full biography of tolstoy leo tolstoy free.