that's why i'm trying to achieve the same now. so, maybe it’s good now that mikhail is so focused on work, maybe he needs to build his life, strive, where and where there is an opportunity, achieve, where you are not interfered with. yes, daughter yes teenager yes dangerous. yes, i'm sorry, i'm the father of two teenage daughters. well, not everything is in our power. not everything is within our power. see where you can break through this wall. become stronger and more successful, think about your future. think about your relationship. think about your health, but if they don't ask you. well, why are you running after her daughter? and you know , it’s also sometimes useful not to think about tactics , not to think about the steps that you will take tonight tomorrow morning, but to think about the result. here i give you this homework . think of a picture of

the future. well, for example. sunday morning is your daughter's wedding, and you are already, well, a grown man with gray hair is successful and you are leading her. and she is very strong. worried fingers squeezes your hand and leans on her. and in that moment, do you understand? that there are no forces in this world that will destroy your relationship? you are a good father. you have a beautiful daughter. you deserve this happiness. you fell and got up. and from the fact that you fell, and then got up, you only became stronger and cooler. wake up every morning. with this thought, and lie down with it, everything will be with you. here's what natalia does. it's

called stroking. i'm generally against these stories. say your homework. i think that the more realistic our view of life, the less these visualization fantasies are in it, we have, damn it, half the country sits and visualizes how everything will be fine in their future. instead of working, you see, i'm all for working to succeed. here is now something to do visualization representation fantasy. well, them well, uh, it's better to tune yourself to what is in reality, and not to how we are. i would very much like it to be, well, it will be fine. no okay sergey follow michael's advice but in the morning and in the evening. okay remember my words it's also hard to live. i think you will find a balance. believe fantasy for women for men is the goal. well friends? what a wonderful story there was in this episode

of the psychic podcast, where we are a journalist, la loseva, and a candidate of psychological sciences , clinical psychologist mikhail khors, just by the strings we analyze human destinies. re-assembling the path to happiness, which, of course, deserves each of us take care of the psyche. hello, my name is alexei varlamov, i am a writer and rector of a literary institute. today we will talk about the biography of two wonderful writers two brothers arkady and boris strugatsky and my guest today author of the biography of the strugatsky brothers science fiction writer

anton viktorovich molchanov hello anton viktorovich hello well, let's do it anton viktorovich i'm just a reader, i'm a fan of the strugatsky brothers, of course, but i'm not a professional. i'm not an expert, you're an expert, so let me ask questions. there may be some statements that will seem fair or not to you, e naive or less naive, and you will answer. so, here like a few theses from my point of view. what well, firstly, that the strugatsky brothers were originally such absolutely soviet writers in the beam. in the sense of this word, soviet people, their father natan zalmanovich strugatsky was a bolshevik, was a fairly prominent figure, that is, of the era, and at the same time a commissar was a culturally educated person, and at the same time, he had a dramatic fate, like many bolsheviks of the twenties - the thirties

, the stalinist period, then, of course, the childhood and youth of our heroes, brothers strugatsky coincided with the great patriotic war coincided with the blockade with a difficult post-war period. all this was reflected in their fate, but their youth. this is a thaw - this is the twentieth party congress - this is faith in the communist project. and here are two e, romantic young men of different funerals, but nevertheless somewhat coinciding in their worldview. here they are, creating a felt literary talent begins. actually your own way. so, how are these writers? utopian, yes, they offer their artistic version of communism communist future, moreover, like me. uh, somewhere i read one of them arkady or borisov, specify, but he said, so they told us about communism, they said there would be no exploitation. there will not be that there will not be everything we were not told what will be there? yes and now we have seen our task. show what

will happen under communism. this is true. yes, it certainly is. even now i can't be sure. who exactly said those words, because, well, it 's inaccurate. the quote is a paraphrase and any of them can say it, because it is such a task. they set before themselves, when the brothers began to write, they entered into literature. they had a very low opinion of the then soviet fiction to be sure. they singled him out for antonchi. efremov, someone else was sympathetic, but in general they saw how boring the then fantastic literature was. as far as it is, more and more technology is devoted to some kind of scientific achievement to some abstract ideas, and there were no living people in it. here is the atmosphere of the world of the future, uh, which they wanted to create and they have set themselves enough. they understood her brilliant, because it was the strugatskys who managed to create that world of the future, that delightful image that

fascinates people to this day. although the strugatskys themselves are in their own way. he told us this world of the future in this communism, according to the strugatskys , they were disappointed quite early; arkady anatolyevich had a more difficult fate. yes, because he participated in the war. yes, he was older, and therefore he was born 25 years old. yes and uh. he should have been sent on the kursk arc. in a sense, he was lucky that he wrote well, passed the test exam in russian and was invited to the institute of military translators. and actually this made his fate, but why the japanese language, but he knew life well. he dangled around the garrison, traveled around the country, he had one. ah, hard luck. uh, apparently boris's fate was outwardly more favorable. yes, and he finished, uh, school, at least gorodok lived under the blockade of children for health, then he said, this is also such an important factor biographies. but anyway, here is

the fiftieth year of the twenties congress of couples. those fifty-seventh year satellite sixty -first year gagarin all this coincides with their youth and that's it. this, of course, strengthens their faith and the faith of millions of soviet people that communism is just around the corner and nikita sergeevich promised that in 1980 we would live under communism. actually, because as far as i remember, the actions of one of the first stories. uh, the strugatsky brothers, the country of crimson clouds takes place in the nineties and nineties of the xx century, and there is already communism and airplanes and yes, the union of soviet communist republics, that is, they quite sincerely believed in it, but it seems to me that they are still interesting. at the same time, they were not such narrow-minded people. at the same time, they were open to both western culture and western literature and were greatly influenced by hemingway and the style itself. the strugatsky brothers were formed in many ways, and therefore people received from them not machines, not abstractions,

but their ability to assimilate various literary traditions. of course, she played her part here at the time certainly it turned out to be a strong influence on all soviet literature on all this generation of the thaw, but these sixties , and this is considered by aksyonov and many other writers, and the early stories of the strugatskys were actually also written in this heminguel style, this influence was. but, if we talk about their e, knowledge of foreign literature, then arcadia still had it very seriously there, because at this institute he perfectly learned, not only japanese, yes, which was his main language, but and english was a second language english and english he knew from his youth, he was fluent in it and spoke and read, and therefore, uh, when it was already in e. now, perhaps, it is easier to get, so to speak, some books that were brought abroad. arkady read a lot of literature, what is called forbidden at that time is not translated into russian. that's why he knew well and

first of all american. many such things that we still have not translated. that's why they very early ceased to be in the full sense of the soviet writers believing into communism. in fact, this milestone is clearly marked, it is, in general, a creative milestone. we will say so. yes, this is the sixty-second year, because their story , uh, an attempt to escape - it was already a story that was written absolutely not according to the canon of soviet fiction, there was no such thing at all in it. here's a brilliant happy ending. she didn't have it. just some cloudless world of the future has already been drawn in it. all horror. here with uh, some kind of world tragedy and a small dash. these are terrible concentration camps described in attempts to escape arkady tanovitch wrote. eh, in kind. he saw it not in the sun. he wasn't there. he saw it in tatarstan, he saw our soviet concentration camps. and all this is written from nature, and therefore it hits so hard on

the sensations, of course, they learned about it only during perestroika. yes to us. that the fascist camps were the prototype of course, here, of course, the year sixty-two is still important, when there was also one day, and at that moment they begin to write. it's hard to be god - this is the story that really became a turning point for him in their fate, because already there the authorities saw that the strugatskys were not at all such soviet writers. how would you like to see them? yes, and they have already begun to have such problems with the authorities, such are still hidden, and when the e tale of the century came out, a letter just went from the central committee signed by the notorious alexander nikolayevich yakovlev, who later became the foreman of perestroika. it was then that he wrote this letter. he worked in the department of culture, how about the fact that the strugatskys are very suspicious writers, you need to take a closer look at them, in general, they write something wrong. and here i have another question. speaking of which, you were well acquainted with arkady. no, i was well acquainted with boris there,

unfortunately. twice i saw arkadyevna with a hat, and simply. not in time than you were well acquainted with what was well known. and even here we are hard to even remember how many years. well, yes, for 20 years, we probably knew each other. no one to you in your book, in your wonderful biography. the strugatsky brothers really liked it, how are you eh? distinguish them, let's say. we love one already who has another dog loved cats, and one was such an exemplary, family man. boris natalevich. arkadyevna tanysha. there was such a more complicated life , such a more disciplined other, what is called nothing but alcohol, and these two different temperaments, these two different characters, of course, this is also here. well, actually i can't figure out how you can write together. for me. this is a complete mystery, because after all, in my opinion, literature is such a very personal, intimate matter, they really wrote together. that's how it is, but it was possible, what was the algorithm of the mechanism of work, i remember someone told me that they met at the bologoye station, one lived in st. petersburg, the other in moscow and there on the ball. e good means

whether something is true or not. this is absolutely not true. this is what they came up with. and all this, so to speak, went to the people. here it was a joke met. they naturally wrote in moscow and leningrad. they are always at home in an apartment in no special places. no, well, now they are lucky. it was very fruitful there when they worked fruitfully in gagra there were jews on and in different places. yes, well, more here, either near leningrad, or here is their famous boldinsky spring in gagra when they wrote her snail, she slopes there, and they invented ugly swans. that is, it really is. that was a very interesting moment in march of the sixty-fifth year. here, well, how did they write? it's like they say. this mystery, the great is. although, i wrote a huge book about them and re-read all of them not just books. yes, once again, and i counted all their diaries of a letter, and they had such and such a working diary that they did not keep together, where they were these sketches, where there were some drawings

, some such schemes, that is, it was all scary and interesting, that is, it seemed. here is the creative process. that's it in detail, but to understand to the end how it happened and why exactly these two could become really one writer named the strugatsky brothers is a unique phenomenon, and in fact such a second in history. no, of course, there were co -authors of a lot of different authors. here were the brothers. there are even in our literature the same brothers and viners. here, that is, of course, uh, there are analogues. but it is interesting that again genre literature. here is fantasy, there are detective stories, maybe, here here, maybe, but this is still a coincidence, especially since i am always, uh, categorically against the name of genre literature in relation to science fiction - this is the mouth of literature that has been going on since ancient times . yes, and it comes from myths. it comes from legends there from uh from ordinary fairy tales. yes, that is, from anything, but this is not a genre. this is much wider. and in

fact, there is fantasy, but in any work of art. degrees, yes, and here, probably, what is important, because, as in the strugatskys, you correctly remembered one of my chapters, where i describe, all the differences are there, yes, when i even quote pushkin, water and stone ice and flame are precisely to different ones, because indeed everything was different for them, that is, in all manifestations of life they were different , and this is wonderful, because they complemented each other. this is the sign of complementarity. well, and most importantly, for fantasy fiction it is very important that, on the one hand, the man spoke the esk language and knew, so to speak, literature, that is, he was, as it were , a humanist philologist, but on the other hand. he must still be a scientist. he must know science. he must know physics. he must know astronomy, and that's what they got together, they are women, when when they were young arkady said to boris well, i wanted to do science, but the war prevented. so now come on. you go fuck yourself. otherwise, we won't be able to write fiction. that is, they

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only in delicious and point we continue our conversation about the strugatsky brothers with you writer rector of the gorky literary institute alexei varlamov and my guest today the author biographies of the strugatsky brothers science fiction writer anton viktorovich molchanov and you know what other question i have. and here they never named andrey platonov among their, er, writers whom they read they read him, of course, but they didn’t name him in the front row, because i why did i speak platonov? after all? there is something in common platonov in his youth , there was also such a super-communist, super big great, but absolutely fascinated by this red idea, absolutely utopian, which is very

important science fiction before - this is fantastic prose. his stories tell him a branded tract, but then certain things happen. yes, for the future - this is already a crisis, a breakdown is taking place. and it is this opist who writes cherenkur writes. he swam, he writes the juvenile sea and other things that already have a completely different assessment of what is happening in the country, but the strugatskys really do, because, it seems, history. yes, it breaks at some point. so you say, this is an attempt to escape - it's hard to be god - these are the predatory things of the age. although practical things. century is also very curious that a is a story actions that take place, well, after all, in the capitalist world, let's say. yes, this action is taking place the consumer society, which at that time was hardly present in the soviet union so much. although, yes, the class of philistinism. it is clear that this is such an anti-philistine orientation in literature. she felt it, but still. i read somewhere that boris natanovich a already after

the death of arkadyevna already, when we already had all the nineties zero, said that of all the models this is the least bad, as for the predatory things of the century. understand the world which is depicted there, this is such a slightly unfinished nikonism, then this is, because they show the island of the last of this , uh, capitalism. yes, but all over the world it is already communism; all over the world, everything is already fine. and in principle, it’s already not bad there either, that is, they are pitied by these poor people who don’t understand anything but carnal pleasures. they don’t think about anything except there, like vodka and drugs, they are treated with some pity. well, in general , they are no longer going to be destroyed, and therefore the world is in general the predatory things of the century. he kind enough and the most amazing and insipid in this he wrote, in my opinion, even in the comments passed. in any case, in his online interviews, he spoke about this more than once, that this is the only book in which they managed to guess a lot. that is, it

was no longer a technical implementation, for example, of the internet. they guessed a long time ago when they came up with a great worldwide informatorium. it was described very, so to speak, in detail. that is, it is pure internet come up with things. this is in the late fifties. this is the most the first stories, which then entered the noon of the 22nd century, and that's where the big world informator appears. that is, when there is a person anywhere in the world, well, through some kind of big screen. he enters such a worldwide network and that's it. so to speak, it recognizes it is clearly completely described on the internet, but these are their technical, predictions, which are scattered in many ways in their works somewhere exactly and somewhere inaccurate, just the internet is one of the most striking examples of this. but social diagnostics is accurate and only in predatory things. i wonder before so far, some aggressors have not made this film. although there were several attempts, and even your obedient servant did scenario development quite recently. it’s a pity that we couldn’t launch this project, because it’s insanely relevant today

. oh, well, we’ll definitely talk about cinema with you. until then, let's get back. here's to this crisis that happened in the sixties . here they are before leonov whom, by the way, they, as i understand it, further respected the ocean, and such a wonderful aphorism, an obsolete dream becomes poison, and this is how it seems to me, indeed, when a person has such a breakdown , there is disappointment in the idea that he dedicated his life to his book, gave so much effort. by the way, this is what platonov had, and the strugatskys, as it were, had their own history. and here, of course, there is also an important era. yes , here is the conflict between khrushchev and the intelligentsia. yes , when he shouted at these poor artists and called names with obscene words, yes, and then, well, in the sixty-eighth year, yes, tanks in prague . then, in general, the end of the thaw, these brezhnev times, stagnation of censorship. uh, nuts are tightened, and they resist it. yes, they give an artistic response to all these phenomena, and in

a sense, the deterioration of the social situation in the country has had a beneficial effect on their work, because it made them think , made them react, and hence, as it seems to me, it turns out. here is a philosophical snail on the slope, and then they appear, and the ugly swans a and the tale of the troika at about the same time. yes, this is the middle of the second half, and the sixties and the strugatskys really begin certain conflict. e with the system of their stuff. they fall back unbeknownst to them, but look, they weren't the only writers. whose things got back, and they themselves, in my opinion, wrote somewhere or someone wrote about them, that the algorithm of action was like this if a soviet writer was published without his knowledge. he should write a letter to protest there somewhere. it's very funny how arkady natanych called. and ilyin and the kgb general who looked after soviet writers

asked him. do you know what mts is? mts power some kind of machine tractor station. no, like mts people for a labor union , here is an emigrant organization, an anti-soviet magazine sowing, where ugly swans were published and demanded to write a letter and they wrote this letter, of course, there were writers who did not write such songs. yes, there were writers who went openly in the conflict of the system, well, solzhenitsyn, the most striking example were writers who migrated, because well, they could not create here, because there is not enough freedom, and so on arkady nanovich and boris nanovich a jew, which in this sense, as if god himself ordered. well, at least the opportunity to leave for them was easier and easier than someone else had. here they have firmly made a choice for themselves that they remain here. and as i understand it in their relations with the authorities, they have identified such a specific feature. why, what is possible, what is impossible, and they seemed to balance

on this line, so as not to slide into outright dissidence, but at the same time remain themselves to preserve their writer's dignity. that's right. i understand it all. quite right. yes, because the fugatskys spoke about it and anyone who reads their biography and understands that they were never dissidents, uh, open, yes, that is, they never signed any letters, and they never went. uh, well, how there were a lot of dissidents among their friends. that is, and of course, they could support something there and in the end . they could speak somewhere and from the stage and just say something to publish in the west and some appeals to western journalists. they gave those time. they refrained from doing so. they are careful enough to be careful. they really appreciated, uh, their reader. here they appreciated. well, they just really loved this country, and they wanted to live here, and i didn't want to write. here they wanted to communicate with people. here they never had thoughts

of leaving the country, never well, but again, i want to repeat this my thoughts that truly talented people are different, that they can do anything that is turned against them. turn in your favor, yes, what the strugatsky brothers did more and more. this there was such a philosophical, serious, social prose that raised very important problems. and let's say one of the problems , as i see it, that's how much i remember how i read them, but it was like this. that means, at a certain period, the heroes of the strugatskys, here communism will come. yes and it is important for them to show that communism is not just a time when there is such a supermarket, in which there is only no cashier where do you pay? and take whatever you want. no communism this time is a society in which it is good to live, because there you can study to be creative in your own business. there will be a fight. there will be new challenges and one of those challenges. this is the idea of ​​progress. yes, that means along with our planet, which already this noon of the 202nd century, will reach a certain

perfection. there are other worlds that are at lower stages of development and, accordingly, earthlings send their agents here, send these progressors into these. with the aim of helping those humanoid creatures to people who live there, and here multi-ethical problems arise. is it necessary to help whether it is necessary to intervene, how to help and actually it is difficult to be god, as i understand it, yes, there and even in my opinion, yes, flight is all about it, but further, as they grow, a certain disappointment in what happens, or rather, it doesn't work. here, the earth itself, our society itself turns into a potential object of influence of some more developed civilizations, which in the same way can come to earth and try to solve our problems. actually about this, as i understand it, the beetle, the ant is the wind, and the waves are the wind and ugly swans about it,

of course, in a sense, well, yes, which means they choose this other one, well, in greece - that's still it's in the sense of ugly swans. it's even more so unconscious. that's right, right there in the middle. the progressor is worth it. yes, i agree that it is logically connected, but there it is not explicit, but in the anthill beetle it really is, when maxim homer , by the way, becomes narrower, like guinea pigs, so to speak, already in the hands of completely different forces. well, before that, he was, why would i return to the story of the ugly swans, and it is really very interesting, and there, of course, very an interesting image of this protagonist of the writer of the bath vector. and yes, in which some even guess the features of vladimir vysotsky, for example, as i understand it, there, in fact, the strugatsky arcadia mr. semyonochek was friends there, even took some there, and his poetic lines just asked the song, so to speak, there it is, but after all, it raises a very important

topic for the strugatsky themes, the topic of education and a moment such that there is in earlier works. if you can't save everyone, if you can't help everyone. then you need to help yourself talented, that is, a bet is made on the elite. and as i understand it, some of the claims that strugatsky expressed were precisely in this, on such a social preference. yes, such social segregation is going on, that we are working with a talented one, but the rest is, as it were. well, here, here it is a gray mass, you can’t do anything with it. she drinks, eats, copulates, and god is with her. but there is talented talented, it is necessary to help the talented, it is necessary to educate the talented, it is necessary to promote. this is, as it were , one of the a such ideas that the strugatskys have and sometimes this idea is turned against them because it is seen in it. here is some such. well, social discrimination, to put it mildly, sometimes harsher definitions are used

, do you agree with that or not? well, i agree that the early strugatskys, uh , had a lot of naivety in terms of this social segregation. they are in their uh cycle here , uh, noon, 22nd century. yes, these are the stories that were combined into the roman and which later, so to speak, a number of other works were created in the same world. they are there, uh, formulated for themselves such a high theory of upbringing uh-huh. and then we already talked with boris natalievich. i often tried to figure out talking. what is high theory? you somehow painted it, at least in the theses, right? no, it generally says this theory. it was we who simply came up with such a beautiful name, but in fact they did not have any high theory in reality. they they did not own any no art of education. they were quite, so to speak, ordinary teachers. let's just say they never really taught anything. yes, even with your children. all in all, they were in big trouble. that is, this

is not the case when they could not educate someone, here. here it is here some naivety. yes, such bolshevik naivety. but let's take all the children away from their parents and they will be brought up by some abstract brilliant teachers who will beat them with the best qualities. and parents will not teach anything good, because parents say, do as i do, but they themselves did badly. so the past will be replicated in the future. that was an idea that was characteristic of her expressed more for some reason he liked it very much at the time, a very young strugatsky, and then, of course, over the years they understood that they had not abandoned this high theory of education, no matter how defiantly it remained with them in this world of the future. firstly, they are their own world, the future, in essence, with the last story to extinguish the waves, the wind, in general, was buried and, of course, they themselves disappointed in this theory, that is, over the years they already wisely assessed all this, so to speak, and i say. well , of course, this is wrong, of course, children should be raised by parents. of course have eternal values. and this is all wrong. now, and they no longer adhered to this

theory. and if we talk about what he personally told me, boris anatolyevich, he says, well, of course, well, every person is talented in something. you just need to be able to open this product another thing i would really like to talk about, of course, is about cinema. yes , that's about how their works were reflected in the cinema. here, of course, the most important thing, stalker, we will talk about this, but i would also like to say that i have always been fascinated by their story, which they themselves are not very high set. this is the hotel of the deceased climber. well, i just admire this thing with such, well, from the point of view of handicraft, they may be, for them it is not the most important idea there on but how it is done there is the image of this one child, yes, which for a long time is not clear whether it is a boy or a girl. this is a child, because it's just super. but the film adaptation of this thing seemed to me not very successful, because it is so very serious, such an estonian film is very seriously and seriously filmed. and they have it cheerful , modest, light cool. that's exactly how the same as a baby, whom they also, in my opinion, did not

like very much, but a so, let's move on to this topic. in my opinion. perhaps the most interesting one is stalker's roadside picnic, because that's where the clash is, as it doesn't appear to be very talented writers. and as boris nanovich himself said with a titan, because the unconditional genius andrei tarkovsky pays attention to their story and makes me know how it turned out. i watched the movie stalker again when i was very young man. it was the first film by tarkovsky that i saw, and there the audience was leaving somewhere and a super-movie. cool. i watched it five times. just baldell from this movie filmed. it's based on strugatsky's novel roadside picnic, which i didn't read in kazakh was hard to find, then i read roadside picnic and was disappointed because stalker is much more interesting stalker is much better. a

picnic to us hurts that now i recently re-read picnic i no longer understood that i was wrong and books on the sidelines, a super thing, a great thing, of course, but still, but stalker is stalker and that's in my opinion. why is this happening, because the strugatskys and it seems to me that this is what they didn’t lack, it’s impossible to say that they lacked, but still, the world of the strugatskys is a world without religion, this is a world in which there is no god . whatever their currency, not so absolutely convinced of atheists are definitely materialists. although arkady tanovich seemed to believe. there are no such rational flying saucers, but it turns out that there is no literary world in them. this top floor, which is always present in great russian literature. whom we would not take. and pushkin and platonic bulgakov and anyone else who is in this film, and actually , it seems to me that tarkovsky showed the strugatskys with this film what you guys are missing. here,

look what i'm with yours. i made a real movie a work of art with a capital letter as an excellent material, because art is only art when there is faith, when there is god, when there is a desire for higher values, and the strugatskys they obviously hurt. and so. actually , it seems to me, their later such a certain theomachism. even some of the blasphemy that is present in the story is burdened with evil. here is such an evil parody of uh, john the theologian, that's what you think about it, well, i would not say that this is completely blasphemy. eh, just burdened with evil , there is a certain struggle between here with such a soviet such a fight against god and side-seeking, because there they already begin. well, in his declining years, what is called how all people begin. uh, some thoughts about the eternal, and they are already much more serious about god and specifically about christ, and

yet there the image of christ is written out very respectfully. that is, there, well, there is absolutely no arrogance. and there are even some creative discoveries, that is, very interesting. he's served. i understand that there, of course, all this is in the context of, so to speak, already a very large literature of this kind, but this book. here it differs from all e, written before, that's why even here the strugatskys changed. although uh, they certainly stayed on the same level i like to quote. e from the early stories of the interns, when ivan zhilin asks the boy. yura borodin is a trainee, he says, you can buy it. he says no, you don't believe in god, he is frightened and answers. he is our man, that is , the strugatskys, these two questions are on an equal footing, that is, both of them are not good. that's it, that's it, not through all my life, and they carried it yes, that is, to really believe in god. this is some kind of absurdity for them, this is not necessary. here, well

, of course, changes over the years, changes when his attitude, therefore, yes, they are completely atheists, but still it happens. and now, returning to tarkovsky, i’ll say, well, about this film, i not only, uh, so to speak , read a lot of special ones and even devoted a whole chapter to it, because it’s not just a movie, it really is. here are the main films of their lives. here, secondly, i was lucky while working on this book to meet sergei zinc, who was for some time the second director for rates and who recently. that's literally last year. finally released his book the birth of stalkers stunning book. i recommend everyone to read it. that's where he said it. well, that's it, that's how the stalker was created. i know a lot about it in great detail, so, well, and tarkovsky, i always loved it very much. and so, when you said that you watched stalkers literally, so to speak, were shocked by the film, and then you were disappointed by roadside picnic, and so i had exactly

the opposite situation. i was blown away by the roadside picnic it was. well, it was and still is one of my favorite things. so here are a few things that turned me around. yes, here it is it probably starts with hard to be god like everyone else, there's a roadside picnic and definitely ugly swans. there are such just favorite books that i, uh, even there i have a special relationship with the baby, but this is different. she is an amazing thing. this is not just some action movie about some bandit who went to the zone, this is a philosophical thing. and this ending that explodes. it's just that, absolutely amazing. and of course, when i was waiting for this from the movie. i didn't see any of this. i saw a completely different movie, then already, when i watched it, the second, third, fifth, there was the sixth time of this stalkers of course already. i had a different impression, especially when i was revisiting the stalkers as a very adult person, when i was writing a book and when