it is important to arrange your boundaries it is important for you to distance yourself it is important for you to take responsibility for what you can take for now? well, for example, work is your activity, your creativity is your health there, if you want to do business conditionally. yes, but you understand, this is my responsibility and i will never give it to anyone when it becomes a support for you. in any relationship when you build a bridge based on another person, you are doomed to failure, because no one on the other side is going to hold anything. and so the bridge always from myself to myself, just from myself today to myself in a year, suppose. for me, this story is also, perhaps, a little bit about allowing, or something, perhaps, it is worth allowing yourself to take your place.

i just eat it is very important. i will train. this is correct. thank you very much for leaving. how do you evaluate these few minutes of our conversation for yourself? thanks for dedicating this area that i hadn't thought about at all. i thought the reason was in another or in me that i am not either in it, but it turns out that i ran it with from your own self. may i ask you at the end? oh, what kind of relationship would you like, would you like a relationship, would you like it, after all , we have mutual understanding and here hmm support each

other communication complement each other in some way. i wanted to train to be to train to want. it's true, it 's true, what does the ideal man look like, in your opinion, here is your man who will be ideal for you. a woman is usually a long list. i can shorten it, he says, the ideal man does not drink, does not smoke, and does not exist. i would like to. remove come on what a man. well faithful such happens.

so that he has self-realization, a beloved girl, so that he is interesting. and you will wonder what you will do to be interesting to such a man? that is , not with him, but separately from him, i really like traveling to know the world, to discover some new cultures, to find out what interests me, how the world lives. that is, we are all so different also the culture of art. this is very educative and expands the worldview. i

wanted to ask, by the way, in what language did you communicate with the dark person? english and a little bit of arabic you know english, yes, i learned arabic, i can understand something, well , to say, after all, it is quite difficult. yes , such a language barrier is difficult to clarify relationships for the manifestation of feelings of emotion. yes, that is something to prove some kind of emotional point of view. and what did you do then okay, everything is easier, it was very difficult to reach out and say in russian sometimes yes it is difficult to explain to a person so that he understands what you are feeling, and when in

english or there is english arabic, it is a billion times harder, of course and it's like again, as you know, this is the main problem of almost all multilingual families. on the one hand, this makes a family. uh, it's easier because people think, well, it's better to remain silent than to make a fuss. yes, because otherwise it will cause. yes, and it’s important, but at the same time, this often just leads to the fact that we suppress our own emotions, which, well , actually become directed inward , you will build relationships in the future with a mexican who will speak, respectively, e on spanish, then i don’t know how to learn spanish well at first, but at the same time , you know everything, huh? now you are talking, and i just have such a kind of recommendation for you

, in fact, you can continue to study the arabic language and arabic culture in order to understand the beauty and historicity and fundamental nature of these laws, and not evaluate them following the example of that fool who took the wrong ones and brought it to you completely wrong, but this will definitely make you very interesting. great, thank you. thank you. may i ask one last question? let's, and so i really count on an honest answer. how are you? you think, you feel, but such as it is, but it is possible to love. it seems to me that i am so nasty, i have not just a character. and what are you, but it seems to me that there is still such a person who walks, what will you do, do you have some kind of plan, how will you? deal with it

first bingo and become interesting to yourself only in this way you can become interesting to another person. thank you, thank you thank you very much olga for such an honest conversation. it was a trigger podcast, and we were with you sergey on ourselves at tatyana krasnovskaya psychology and we analyzed olga's story and her problems today. fellow scientists hello today, we have gathered our thoughts about what a university is. why is it needed? you

know each other very well just in case. i will say that today, in alphabetical order, aleksey pavlovich kozyrev egor borisovich prokharchuk, dean of medicine , faculty of biology, a wonderful second, as they say in the homeland of medical institute corresponding member of the russian academy of sciences, thank you very much, i am especially pleased. again, alas, vladimir left. well, what to do as time goes by, we do not change. and you know what i want to start. i'm in this year's teaching lecture. uh, i started my students with a story that happened to me and i would very much like to tell it to you and listen to your comments, say, suddenly he called me, he says, listen, my daughter is studying, and at the university in one. well, somehow , i studied the first course, but something doesn’t go well. you could meet and talk to her. she, maybe to you. uh its going to be translated girl comes. well, again, we spoke beautifully smart, bright everything, why do you want to leave your university?

well, i didn't have any friends there. no, companies, no, nothing. and that's all around. yes, i'm talking to us, why? but i think he will say, well, learning a language is such a set of standard answers that people are used to hearing. but my friend clouds, you and her friends are chic and everything is cool, and they spend time there wonderfully and so on, in short, in 45 minutes of our conversation word formation. knowledge to learn has not sounded even once the university has turned into a stage of socialization. today, motivation is destroyed, indeed. i, too , gave an introductory lecture on the first of september as a dean. why is philosophy needed today? yes, i was asked a question. and where will we go to work after the faculty of philosophy. i wanted to answer you the world bank fucking the united nations but where you go to work depends on what you learn. what task will you set and then, will it be

the urgency of the frying pan has such a concept, here are some philosophical just in case, a few are pleased. there is such a concept akin to happy is the person who found it. difficult business in life then you will learn then this business will become your hobby and your passion and your sphere. e improvement. here are the questions. they ask the least and, uh, it seems to me that, in some way, they are guided by the desire of their parents. how to form this motivation to gain knowledge, the school has worked very hard in a negative sense, that is, this system use where the senior classes. uh, children don't study, they write samples. i used to think that a sampler is a perfume that expresses itself. and today i came to school. i gave a lecture to scientists at school. yes, there is such a program, and

the moscow government e. children. wrote a sample yesterday. tomorrow they will write, a sampler and every week. they write samples for us. they are preparing for yes, they do not study, they do not comprehend astronomers, yes, who are not at school at all. yes, now she is, but she is not, let's play separately. maybe even today let's talk. i’m looking at igor boris , he doesn’t agree with us, he doesn’t agree with us, then with such a little romanovich. but , to be honest, i don’t really understand what the students want, because i have two children, two students. if you look more globally, then for me as a scientist and as a citizen. i take the university. it's like a kind of, in fact, a very difficult bridge between the maintenance of tradition and progress, as if for me it is important. you see, this is how, on the one hand, you need to preserve the tradition. on the other hand, definitely move forward. i thought about it a lot. well, since the dean

needs to somehow, well, develop on the one hand, but on the other hand, it’s still the university, er, in which, although not my alma mater. yes, but nonetheless. i am responsible for these children. there i have 1,200 people at the faculty. and i have to think on them, how, on the one hand, to maintain the tradition, on the other hand, to move forward. well, the system it develops, when it exists there, a certain amount of chaos. yes, the share has not been determined. oh, uncertainty , certainty, and such a suspension when you shake it there, i don’t know the stones, they lie down somehow, in my opinion, you will still shake. and such a shake, they occupy. if you don't shake it at all, it will be dead weight. this is some kind of shaking of the system and bringing, into the system, such reinforced strictly proportional chaos that it didn’t destroy and it’s for me. you are the function of the university in this, you see, i would think in this aspect a little more

global than just uh, locally, but look here, and i'm uh hmm why did i take this example with a girl? and why am i talking about this i am talking to students because this is an indicator, in my opinion, one of the indicators of what our attitude towards this has turned into higher education today, yes, i agree with alexey pavlovich. if conditionally there once a person came there as an apprentice to the master, he says, i want to learn how to do it the way you do, yes. now he comes and says, and where will i work. and how much will i earn? and in terms of time, not only that the girl katya does not understand. why does she go to university and her parents do not understand her, and in general, society does not understand, does she need this person with this specialty after a while, yes, and therefore, by the way, to say, here is the next question that i also ask my student. and today i am very glad that i can talk to you, because i suddenly realized that i have been asking students this question every year for many years. but somehow i didn’t ask my colleagues. what is higher education? today? all of us in

soviet times, higher education was not total. if we take the thirties forties and fifties to find a person with higher education was not so easy here he has a higher degree, social social success, yes social advancement and there were high salaries and professors and a person who graduated from the university. in general , he could get a job where he received more than uh, more than a worker, uh, the nineties. unfortunately, we have finished the process of this leveling, which began much earlier and, firstly, all ages have become universities. although you need to understand that the university. uh, this is not a place where they give practical skills here for folding skills exist polytechnic institute of technology college, yes here is the university. eh, this is an idea of ​​e purpose and

meaning of human activity life. and if this question is not asked by a philosopher, if it is not asked by a physicist, if he is not asked by a physician, if you are not asked by a mathematician, then he is a bad university graduate, he not only must, but knows well. e your area of ​​expertise, but also ask the ultimate questions. a. eh, what place? and i have science in the system of science in the universe of human knowledge. and the truth. uh, this is what i'm ready for. e give your life or truth situationally randomly fragmented truth, generally a lot, yes, and so here is uh university. eh, this is the pinnacle of higher education, as a place where a person is. e. what is becomes is in a sense, an idealist who is guided by, er, higher princes. here was

such a russian e, philosopher, writer doctor diplomat konstantin leontyevich yes, who wrote in one letter science should develop in a spirit of deep contempt for its practical poland. hmm today. eh, with this. nobody would agree. but generally speaking, let's ask barbarich, well, where did pavlovich correctly remark about the university in full. i support this story that the university is about a way of life. it's an ontology really and respected people who think about universities. they divide them into classical ones, such as rivers or research universities, where people are mainly engaged and absolutely not researchers, namely universities universities. that is, as part of this , there is the so-called professional schools in the form of some kind of institutes and so, if the first cohort from lenta university is such a high-socksonian, in general, protestant model hmm, then research schools are

more of a russian-german kind of history, and finally, there may be a third part, which is also distinguished colleagues are the so-called clan places. if you don’t study in ita, i can confuse it with saton. well, let's say all british prime ministers graduate from a certain school. or there, if you study in cambridge, then you need either in a a certain french school, then you will be the president of france or already? so this is absolutely clan things. they are not related to education. moreover, this plan looks like itself and reproduces itself in order to reproduce itself, and it, well, roughly speaking, if you want, i have already fucked up a little, then if you want to work in the form, then it is most logical, but not in search of similar i can say that, of course, in the soviet union, it seems that the second part was brought to perfection. vocational schools, but that didn't save system, that is, the tradition could not itself, despite the fact that it was a challenge to the whole world.

this is a new way of looking at the world. this new ontology was built perpendicular to everything that was before, nevertheless, professionals of a high hand lacked something about what the previous speaker was actually talking about in order to save this system from collapse. that is, they were superprofessionals, for example, in physics or superprofessionals in mathematics. or even in diplomacy or in the economy, probably yes. well, they missed something important, which destroyed the whole system what? well, the absence of that raisin that should be at the university is the vision of the world, the feeling of the world, and this feeling must be interrupted. well, some system. again we are talking about the ratio of progress and tradition that should exist. i thought, well, uh, this is my faculty of philosophy. yes, it has a great history, but we are now talking about the period

after the military, because okay, it was, it was not, and in general it exists due to the fact that it opened one more time than it closed. might be one of the most er, fruitful periods of living periods. it was the fifties and sixties, when a whole dream arose, and myeon and ae, genk and vardashvili are wonderful names, but it was a time of very tough ideological oppression. it was a time of cultivation of what kind of dogmatic marxism, that is, development. but it is precisely through resistance and through the creation of a community. that is, when yes, there was some kind of official ideology, there was such an iron curtain, yes, but there was a desire for grass to grow through the asphalt. uh-huh and here she is very sprouted well, because there was tension in this life. whenever

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of blood vessels angionorms, keep blood vessels normal i remind you that this podcast collected my thoughts. today we are talking about why a university is needed, and with alexei pavlovich kozyrev and yegor borisovich prokorchuk. i am vladimir, what is the struggle with now? well with some kind of massive stupefaction, deepening , erasing the boundaries between knowledge or, there , professional knowledge, expert and amateurish. yes, we go to the doctors. and when they tell us how they will treat us, i say, i don’t need it. here is what i read on the internet. let's just say that these are also very revealing things that were once impossible. and so, therefore, three things seem to me fundamentally. the first is higher education. yes, this knowledge is quite, certain professional expert whatever, the second is such a wonderful phrase to her various american professionals. attributed to the first lecture of an american professor, says to his students. you will forget everything that you will be taught here, but on the other hand, you can always

determine whether they hang noodles on your ears or not, and i’ll tell students separately, there are indirect signs of pseudoscience, which you can see if you can not understand anything in the specialty on the topic of which you took the book, but now, if you see this, you should ring a bell. yes if you are human with education, i hear a third point, what alexey pavlovich said, yes, and he says, which means that i then support. it seems to me that if you are their techie, then not only should you know that there is such a dante or was such, but you should have experience reading the divine comedy. and if you are a humanitarian and i'm afraid of this word. so you still have to understand what einstein did, how the theory of relativity in general differs from specially. well, at least at the level of somehow moistening it to explain to someone and that's it which today is almost non-existent in the whole world, as it seems to me, well, philosophical education , we have preserved both physics and mathematics. and biology and logic, which is still close to mathematics. so our students are just

getting signs. but we are not now. yes, when communicating with this world culture in the broadest sense of the word at some fundamentally different level above the school level. yes, i, again , say to students often. if you see in a book something like a phrase or thought that it is generally accepted that in fact everything much more complicated, most likely, it was written by a scientist. uh, because it's just clear only where in general, science doesn't smell or not like that. well, the very fact of the scientific method of cognition is close to me, and er, it is obvious that in a big way for the six years that the specialist is now teaching. eh, some areas of science can change so much that when they acted there was one type of knowledge and one-knowledge, but the output will be different and in an obvious way. what since i graduated from high school about what has been there for 30 years? and of course, everything has changed, but the first. well you should be taught

study. this is first of all, and if i go to the library to look at the school , nothing has changed from the fact that the internet appeared, but the principle of knowledge extraction and exfoliation. eh, husks, raise me for a tautology. yes, attention, where is the present where is not the present and this is very important. yes, and this comes with experience, just in the process of learning the second point that i would like to note, nevertheless, well, just professionalism and the idea of ​​the function of the university are not enough for me. this is in contrast to professional engineering schools or clan places where these prime ministers are grown. uh, to give some understanding of life, naturally, within that, well, the framework in which uh exists, this institution, yes, so i think it's a very important point to note that professionalism. this is a necessary condition, but not

unconditionally sufficient. when we have people in the power industry, they do not know the sign-law. this is just a disaster, but if they are super professional, but do not carry a certain charge , this is also not enough for the reproduction of systems. if we think of some stable development. eh, it's on e. well, this is what it's about here, because i, uh, when i say, my students asked some economists there, dostoevsky dostoevsky is there all the time why do we need to take reading in our pockets. that's why i suddenly caught myself at some point, i answer once again that i'm trying to tell them how an economist there in their economic activities will be useful to fedor mikhailovich and the karas brothers, then i realized that this is not necessary, yes ? now i say that they are there about emotional creative intelligence about that this is competitive, but it's true, right? here, for example, is yuri borisovich khariton , the creator of the soviet atomic project. i was shocked when we arrived in sarov for the first time and, uh, his house-museum, and the bedroom on

the bedside table. tom poems do not remember. now kogo nu poems and in his diary i read when the young khariton is a physicist a physicist. yes, he got to read mayakovsky's poems. when i was young and wrote in my diary, a whole sea of ​​new poetry opened up before me. it was one of the biggest shocks in my life. here we are about it now. it seems to me that dostoevsky nato is to be read, because one of the questions of the karamazov brothers, who killed the father , we do this all the time, but not in the literal sense, but not physically. eh, we have every generation. e, denies the previous son is not responsible for his father. why do professional smart people destroy? eh, what was created before them. yes, because it occurs. this is a field of hatred for our fathers, there is no rootedness in the fact that we must respect what the previous generation did, what we

dwarfs on the shoulders giants and unfortunately, this is how our life was arranged, what have we had since a certain time? well, almost every generation began to deny it. eh, the achievement of e his fathers in science has turned into rudeness, when e a young scientist believes that it is not necessary to refer to his teachers, well, you need to quote western sources. if you want to get into the descent, then popsance, we used to have this fetish and, uh, if we look at how our science works , this respect for those who are nearby, who worked at your university on your boat respectful attitude to the archive to the legacy to the memorial library. so, nightmare, here i am now brought to the faculty one after another. uh, the libraries of the dead scientists. well, the family doesn't need them. this is

something that needs to be done about it. we need to somehow come up with a way to integrate it there in the collection. here, uh, only by returning to uh to configurability to tradition yes, we can, it seems to me to acquire this decency, because it seems to me that what yegor borisovich was talking about to people. just decency was not enough in my eyes. ah, the late academician skryabin konstantingirovich, who we are a teacher , he brought the library of akademikabayev to his teacher, and he said, well, as if it were not mental for me, that no one needs these books. they wanted to waste something there somewhere, and he took them out. and they are now our institute, which is named after him. this library has been preserved and for me it was an example of what to talk about unconditionally. our country is rather archaic, but for example, i like it as i say it now in a good way. well, in short, i mean, it's comfortable for me. i don't like competition. i don't like

running all the time. i don't like pushing with my elbows. i understand that well life is finite. i understand that 20 days is the best for the audience, the best for a very magazine, but the citation period will pick up the citation there for 2-3 years, then it goes down, as it were, but i will not hang with me. and if there is no happiness , then, as it were, there are a lot of such people yes , by and large, people want, well, a normal life, of course, creativity is moving forward, but this is it, constant hmm participation in progress, it is stressful enough not every person. can imagine to feel there now, most people do not feel happy there, so they want to live their own, well, enough traditional life. but if they live a traditional life, then well , they can become less competitive there, you know the competition, then by and large. you must select one. a layer of a small number of people

who will participate in this race and these people will generate, progress because in the first place any means of protection there from military to intellectual cultural including and then the question arises. at some point, this layer begins to work against those people who have been singled out and supported, because these people. well, in general, they are few of them are supported by those people who can, and the second one needs to be caught somehow and not breathe. this is most of the people. yes, deep people. she delegates certain powers to these people. moreover, it contains them, you understand, it cleans. pardon me their toilets. she feeds easily. she them, well, as if all this is part of the great labor of bread. there excuse me stylemakers. the oilman heals, we delegate authority, and you guys write songs for this. uh, making

movies, writing books. uh, she thinks. yes , that's all this word is safe, protecting our certain way of life. and by and large the first, as you said, they read their poems and understand their role, and, as it were, inspire their role with this. this protection elite uh-huh, and the second ones can’t live without them either, because if they don’t exist, it’s like, uh, it’s understandable, which is the interaction. in theory , it is ideal between tradition and it is very important that the children of these left-bearded people have the opportunity to come, uh, enter the university and receive a secular education unconditionally. it is. well, look. i want to return to the topic of professionalism. and i have such a hypothesis. and what for not even for the university ? in general, for institutes for graduating educational institutions today, one of the biggest dangers is the professional program of large corporations. here is some

big corporation. she takes a person teaches three months, maximum six gives him a certificate and, by and large, not infrequently, takes him to work. hence the question, why should he even study at the institute for 4 years and return to the girl katya with whom we started yes, and to the consciousness and perception of higher education today. why should i spend 4 years hanging out somewhere, even if i received a salary in six months and everything is fine. this is a challenge and universities are trying to build up in this race. they are trying their professional programs will come. it seems to me that this is a dead end false path. we must say that yes, let there be these programs, but they are bigger . that's what you can learn in six months, they won't let you. we started with the fact that, after all, universities are, first of all, production. e scientists. and if a person wants to go to the corporation business and acquire the necessary skills. let him get it. let all business corporations

create their own schools. uh, even their own university, where they train personnel for themselves, not everyone should go. my hypothesis is that this is a threat to univer. there is a certain no. well, firstly, the university does not only make scientists. uh, the university is doing, well reproduces the tradition. once again, they must reproduce this system of people with higher education of some kind no, well, here, well, how can i tell you? well, what a tradition in our country is certain for 1,000 years. we live in a certain paradigm. yes, in general, a christian paradigm with a certain sense of territory there with a certain vision of the world with their own vision of the world, other countries live differently and uh, well, like a reproduction of this from uh, in one way or another with the addition of a kerchinka of progress. she s- naturally. we're not exactly the same today somehow there about alexandria nevsky, yes, or there under ivan thunderstorms, but it seems that the wild vector is common, there is observance of this vector, it is important for higher education to do

teachers. you make in higher education those people who go to both junior school and high school and above all people who are diplomats who will lead. those who will make responsible decisions will write the words absolutely true, that is, by and large. you are reproducing this tradition of some kind, that means, uh, regarding a corporation. you are a romantic vladimir ramadovich, not a single corporation will invest a dime in anything. now there are such programs, but they do exist. i just don't want to name corporations. uh, so that we do one program for a large management corporation makes a reputation. yes, this is additional education. i'm talking about our additional. let me finish two words. so, in my experience uh, corporations don't want to do high school programs because for them it's a cost. yes, they will do their own no higher. here again, and the second, but they are within the framework of the higher school they can’t control what, well, you, they are not

creepy within the framework. you cannot take. they themselves they courses their own here is the corporation of courses. they understand, by virtue of the fact that they work there, that it will not give them enough. it's real today, right? well, they are professionals. i don’t know at the factory, ford needs to be serviced, yes, if you want to make a genna engineering product or make a vaccine against coronavirus , 6 months is not enough for you , yes absolutely and if you want to make a rocket that just flew somewhere to you and this will not give enough. and if you want to know, uh, some secrets, uh, there is no threat literature, there is no threat from this side, uh, i would say that i don’t see a threat from the corporation, in the sense of reproduction hmm they are so greedy that they don’t will be able to expand it well. see another topic. by this i tried to reflect that here is the crisis of higher

education. in general, it is global, it is certainly connected in one way or another with the context, including social networks, there are all these cognitive distortions that arise when use and so on. but here is one more such private enough thought in 1993-94. i studied at one of the american universities on the exchange system, which were fashionable there and so on. then for the first time i thought that for such a number of people we had a university of 14,257 students. why remember this, because t-shirts were sold to 14.257 students 14.27 bicycles. well california are great in winter in shorts and so on. and then i don’t need higher education in so many people, because it is lost meaning, since my american classmates were surprised when they found out that russia is the largest country in the world in terms of area, they were poorly guided by the geography of history, everything else is there, and so on. and when one er, i remember the student hmm came to class. uh, not quite sober, but the teacher could not stand the professor

removed him, but she screamed after him, but this is only for today. i am waiting for you. next time. she was wildly afraid, because students evaluate teachers and this plays a big role, as you know, they will remain working in that or not. here is my very simple question. and we are well aware that in the treatment of quantity always beats quality. or maybe we should stop increasing the amount. why do we need so many universities of people with higher education. this is a general global trend towards a mass university, that is, a mass university - this is a continuation of secondary education, a bachelor is, in fact, a high school graduate, yes, and about the idea of ​​reducing education with a lack of specialization. indeed, in theory, in our bachelor's standards, specialization minimal, but at the same time next to the oil universities back. these exist cambridge exists