i didn’t want to see lips in my life. i really love theater. and if i don’t go on stage, i’m dead, my golden mother, my god, that’s why you play ranevskaya, because the nature of psychophysics has fallen. yes, you can’t skandachka , you can’t run into the theater to play it, and then you can’t run to a restaurant to take it with your girlfriends. yes, and so i say that yes, i am offended by the directors who tell me, there, you are a comedian. you can't play there some, well, i think it's so stupid. uh, i say that i'm also uncomfortable because i i always bring my texts to the director. i say, it seems to me that right here, right there , inviting me there, right there, lord, there was a movie recently. e for the role of concierge. i say ok. i'm ready because uh whatever. it's just shamelessness. no no. i say, come on, everything, characteristically play. come on, it will be oriental, even he is a lot everywhere, like this role

turned out thanks to gali's character . well, you understand that an artist who plays the main role of a beauty who passes by a concierge should be remembered, and you are not the only one in this film, and the director didn’t tell you, wait , the film is not about you, therefore, the answer is georgievna’s profile is the same, she played zinka this is the profiteer in the kremlin chimes. yes, she said, i will find you and kill you if you are in a dream in the movie, and she played the admin panel. she , uh, people came to watch the first act and went in general, and he removed her and answered questions. why not? so i say? so, thank god, because i also literally have such a regime even in big difference, as which has now become something galina well, you hide yourself. behind the back, because everyone is looking

only to blame. go to the background. please leave like this here, thank god this role is due to the fact that i wrote it. she became so bright that the advertisement of this film was only with me. but today the directors will watch our podcast. well, that's how you know by chance, everything in life, accidentally saw and said, lord, i'm a fool, for five more years. let's look like that, and you are muscovites and i'm not. we all came to college with three pennies. you lived in hostels and i lived lived without money. yes, they didn’t know, what would happen after the institute, there were periods, when there were no roles , men threw us. true, quit, that is, there is nothing in the biography of faina georgievna that would directly strike me, and i would say, my god, how she survived it. i would not have survived, but my own sister lived abroad, in my opinion in romania. yes, in bourgeois

romania, later in paris, she also sent parcels. well, something like that, yes, ah. faina dahlia was from a very wealthy family. and she had excellent education and languages. a: that is, she had a good action. oh my god, she overheard me once. e that dad said that she was not yes, i know a million girls, about whom so once someone from, as it were. we are not we are telling, maybe i have already become an actress. yes, she came to moscow and from barnaul and said, jackdaw. i don’t understand why you are not being filmed. here churikova is also terrible on her filming a movie. and galya is beautiful, handsome. yes? no, this is, well, what, for me, churikova was, uh, the queen of beauty, but my mother is her mother, what is she not? what did you say to your mother, but i can’t say anything. she treated me like that because of this, then they didn’t get married, because you were in the complex, didn’t gnaw, because

men loved me, you know? well, you understand, that is, well, some of us all got it. and how can a man drive guys into the complex, but it’s just, uh, i heard that from my husbands. i think it's different. i would just go out the window, i mean, she was special. it seems to me not because she is something in life. i wish it then her biographers. eh, from some of her words, they began, eh, to look for this very nature of her such. e to wild giftedness, but in fact, it seems to me, this is loneliness. it would be her choice. and i know who are the girlfriends who are single, but it did not become such a tragedy that she said, because a person chooses it. so, he is ready to exist in this and he likes it, you know? this choice of this loneliness is a kind of, as it were, motivation and, uh, talent. here she was nourished in this

loneliness. she nurtured her talent in this. there is tragedy in this drama, but this is her life, and she likes it, of course, yes. let's be honest, the family takes away a lot of energy. here i need to say that the more and more famous, the more unraveling. it is the reason. this one is popular. which is still going on, uh, she really, apparently, she doesn’t have some kind of mystery because of the events. they really touched us all, nothing out of the ordinary lost my son there, uh, i don’t know in the hole. e, jumped, they got her out of there and became like e according to the ostrov actress. i think, well, well, yes. well, probably some dissatisfaction. it exists for all of us. it seems to me that i'm so dissecting, but i don't even have one award, uh, there isn't. well, there are a few, by the way,

she received awards for the best performance by a ranetka on stage. and this is an international theater festival. here. it's just that i don't care, but i still want that fifth and tenth, and there are these here , uh, funeral accessories, which she did not name, these orders and medals, their whole pillow is really both state and stalin's awards and a. it's not just, it's i don’t just remember when we became the winner of the all-union competition with yan lazorov , we shared the same time. it was enough for us to buy a bottle of cognac there for about 15 rubles. and this, uh, this is money, this is 100 thousand 150 admitted, yes, yes, he said. and that's why he says, uh, the actor's puncture about zharov about zharov, yes , he says, whoever he plays always plays the same way, but changes the makeup. and here she says, faina georgievna seems to be without makeup, everywhere there is a difference all the time. that is, she was admitted to another case, which is true. she could not you see playing an ophelia, but there is such a heat for a mustache to stick a beard on a chain, but anyway

it is always clear that this is an artist zharov but the artist koronevskaya never sticks anything, but anyway, this podcast is always very different. and larisa guzeeva visiting me was finished. and olga crested. thank you. thank you. hello. with you, the schrödinger code podcast, i 'm its presenter grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of a popular science magazine with the same name schrödinger's cat, in fact, schrödinger's cat is such a thought experiment, associated with complex quantum physics, in short - this is an accessible metaphor. a simple

metaphor is a very complex science and our podcast is just about how he sees the complex in the simple and the simple in the complex, and today we will talk about series. and together with me, svetlana karlash is a psychologist and someone else, but who i will tell later and we will talk about complex things through a fairly simple, understandable serial container. you watched this series, yes, and you can manova on you. the container series is declared as an acute social drama, but, in fact, uh, there are a lot of such borderline psychological issues, but in social ones too, uh, and i think that it is quite provocative, not only in terms of the topic of surrogacy, but from the point of view of broader worldview issues, a couple of words about the plot of the series

, someone did not watch, although we recommend it to everyone. yes, no spoilers, no spoilers girl. sasha, 28 years old, a surrogate mother bears a child and then gives birth to him by order of some. rich people are very rich. come on and on twisting rich people into complex relationships the rich also cry. ah, the totalitarian mother. this is the heroine's young man, the heroine's daughter. well, and so on this movement as much as 2 seasons. maybe even the third will be back, after all, the series. it’s generally today that it’s here, does it seem to you that such a form of journalism is quite possible, and it seems to me that it’s m-m. in addition, there are some other mirrors of the issues that arise in society and in this mirror they are in such a more grotex variant presented, yes, that is, all, uh, storylines, all the characters are exaggerated and some things,

of course, cut my ear and eye, as a psychologist, because they are excessively convex. yes, it seems that , apart from this phenomenon , there are no other movements in the human psyche of this or that hero, but still, yes, our topic concerns surrogate motherhood. and maybe we'll take a little break from the series and move on to it. yes, in general, what is this problem with horned motherhood. this is probably a problem. and with inequality, someone bears it for whom it is in the series. it seems to me very a lot about freedom and not freedom, about control , about order. and vice versa, well, about the conflict of the generation, because not every attitude of the fathers of children is everywhere problematic, you are talking now, first of all, about social phenomena. yes, but they are born from scientific and technological progress, which goes far beyond what we are used to seeing. and more recently, test-tube babies, in principle, caused such a wave of hype. yes

, now this is not a problem, but this is done by chi by many people for surrogacy, by the way. it is prohibited in many countries some of us are allowed , and yet, if you imagine it as a mass phenomenon, it can change quite a lot, and the social picture, yes, and the psychological one , too, you hint at some plot of the maid's stories. yes, yes, this topic was brought up and the maid's story. it's just a dystopia, which is right on this topic, and it's so creepy , actually, actually, in principle, hmm science hmm opens new horizons, but a human being is not a very healthy mentally master of his a and e, in this sense we know how, of course, to betray monstrous form. if uh someone, yes, there will have access, but to the power of uh in deciding, because or otherwise. and we can

, like humanity, and we can make it out of any idea. an absolutely monstrous scenario, so they are not without fears about this. e meaning. yes, just like uh, these fears do not mean putting an end to science on progress and on some new technologies that radically change our perception. well, in general, the phenomenon of surrogate motherhood. it's not just someone reproduced the child, he opens up a lot of different topics, well, for example, uh, the relationship of genes and environment. what is more important genes or the environment that a person is brought up? and there is no single answer grandchildren. yes, a lot of data has been accumulated perfectly. you know there on psychogenetics. well, there is, there, increased aggressiveness in humans. he will leave her, where to kill people or become an athlete. as far as the fact that the mother was some kind of

good, bad, will be passed on to her child. you understand that the truth is in the middle. yes, you voice, two polar radical points of view, of course, neither the environment nor genetics in its purest form. and we are talking about some a set of environmental genetic factors that can climb like bones from the lord god in any order, and in this sense , of course, this is an interesting question, but it concerns not only surrogates, mothers, and even e is not so much only adopted children. after all, when you and i start a child and give birth to chigi, he will inherit the genes. eh, what's going to get from grandma? great-grandmothers from which branch from which line? we don't know either to end. although of course, here they believe. above and read. you can probably more faith that an adopted child with such genes, the environment, will still have a decisive influence and there will be a person in a good family. yes, maybe he will not become

a world champion in running. uh, but if a family has some important ethical standards, then these standards will reproduce and no, uh, with the same set of genetic inclinations. yes. eh, maybe a person. uh, different fate uh, with different social. well , for example, if we go back to the series and let's look at how yes played or did not play the genetics of the heroes of the series. now, if you remember one of the heroes, for example, yes, for example, sasha is the main character, a very authoritarian teacher's mother. yes, she herself is satisfied with the tough sasha and her authoritarianism, uh, it’s not that she is not deprived of authoritarianism, that she was genetically transferred to her or her mother raised her socially like that, nobody knows, in fact, in science there is no clear answer to this. well, it's very difficult to explore in a good way, you need to take one egg of your separate twins from birth. at the same time , they should be brought up in families with different

social cultures, and then after 20-30 years they were there, but it was always not completely clear. well, for example, in the middle of the 20th century. uh, wonderful and well, not completely, wonderful american psychologist sirial bard. i studied the gemini and when they started to study it, firstly, a part of it was falsified, and secondly, they took the gemini from the orphanage and separated them, but they turned out to be an imiks with a similar social status, their similarity is one or that the families are americans? uh, well you're already talking about the social cultural aspect, which also affects the formation of personality. he is also included in this series, yes genetics, well, biology is what was given initially. uh, mental psychology is what a person gets in the family and social cultural is what gets in a wider context, but look, if we still return to the topic of surrogate surrogacy, which is, uh, the

host . how is this question genetics or environment play in the theme of the reproduction of people with the help of mothers, but here i see, yes, genetic material. it will still be the parent. the customer will still be the mother and father of those who want to bear this child with the help of the mother’s service, but genetically he and them, uh, i am here, as a psychologist, interested in a slightly different question. this is a matter of attachment, which is formed during pregnancy, and the woman formally has nothing to do with it. the film shows a moment where the main character, sasha da, is trying not to allow the child to be quickly discharged, uh, so as not to form a maternal instinct, as if the child were taken away immediately after birth. yes, she immediately signs the application of the child does not see the maternal instinct does not

wake up. well, partially, of course, if you pick him up and feed him and so on. there , the machine will be launched, oxytocin and other psychological ones, too, but more, uh, but in general , uh, the formation of a woman's identity, like a mother, begins during pregnancy from the first month. at every stage of pregnancy a woman is moving closer and closer to experiencing herself as a mother and at least somehow by the time of birth. yes, come to terms with this and this identification. uh, already uh, to be able to integrate yourself, however, uh, in the film yes , it is shown that these things can be cut off with the help of a medical protocol, yes. there is a clinic to avoid this. eh, i don't think so. and that emotional connection between mother and child during pregnancy. it exists is e, and e will influence in the future. here we turn to the section of perinatal psychology, dear listeners. i promised

to reveal one more quality of our guest svetlana and this quality is my wife. and can i ask you a question already no psychologist. and as a woman's wife, how do you like the series. that's what you feel when you watch, i think the series is very. actual and on the one hand, and a wonderful actor, a deep game, all this cannot impress me a little. it seemed to me too radicalized good and evil. and you do not like it when good is clearly here, evil is clearly here. well, i'm still for the complexity mental processes. and when the main characters, uh, work, 10 episodes in a row in one are not the main ones there, one of yes, but we won’t be in the spoiler in the same psychological mental status, and it doesn’t change from the series, in principle, it feels like a person is like stuck in such a state of mind. so he reproduces you simply in every cue in every series without changing anything at all

perfectly. you don't know, maybe he's less intelligent than you, but i love it when you can see that he's a scoundrel. it's good, but, in principle, it's very much loved by everyone because this basic settings. and such a state, when we divide the world into black and white, everything is very clear. everything is very under control anxiety is reduced, especially in situations. uh, stress overload, our psyche regresses to the basic settings, that is, to the enemies. that is, i am generally regressive at home, let's talk about this topic. listen, i consoled you. we are aggressive all this is not bad. well, wait. now you will come again to the reflexi rope, let's keep it simple. that's what a woman feels, well, imagining herself in the place of this or that heroine, or customer, or a performer. you know, it's very difficult for me to, uh, feel myself as a performer. honestly, i'll tell you, but because , well, here, even there, a kitten or a dog. i am quite attached. um, i probably wouldn't be able to handle my psyche. yes,

that's the way i am. e to give the child after bearing in place of the customer, for example, hypothetically. i could imagine myself, probably there would be a lot of anxiety about how the pregnancy is going and uh, if i have and will i have a relationship with a child? and uh, i probably would i was very worried that e at the time of appearance. yes, my child was not two of us with my husband, but three with another woman, this is still a sacred moment, u where the couple has. eh, it's kind of a mystery. yes, there is a continuation of the fruit of love, here it turns out to be the fruit of technology, again, i’m now talking without negative wires, and i have no idea that there is a fruit of technology. this is bad. fu, no, but it's just a phenomenon. yes, i'm talking like phenomenology. what's another option? let's complicate the degree of provocation, for example, not

the gene of the father and mother who bear these of a person, but either the genes of the father and the gene uh-huh. or vice versa, when a man is something wrong with his function, they don’t attract a man, you mean the now quite popular procedure of donor eggs. who we are a bonfire is a spermatozoon, which you even accept for yourself, in my opinion, was somehow discussed. and how do you want me to answer, as a woman or as a psychologist, first, as a woman brightly, so that everyone wakes up, and then as a psychologist, so that everyone calms down. and probably, i would be very scared, as a woman, and i would most likely hmm but would fantasize uh, all sorts of disturbing things about uh, scenarios for this kid. a. probably, i would rather decide on donor actions. uh, and i think

that as a woman, i would have the strength to deal with this anxiety. ah, but i have questions in this place that i don’t have answers to either as a woman or as a psychologist . aha but still, it will turn out because of other alien genes. someone else’s child or my own child. well, listen, i don’t have dog genes, and our dog will completely devour me in comparison. and on actually not quite joking now, because in addition to genes there is also, uh, a phenomenon described by john balbey and not only by him, but a psychological attachment that is formed between a mother and a child. the point here is that it is an attachment. it is formed on both sides, not only women or men's parents conditionally , yes, it is attached to the object, but also, uh, the child is a dog, a kitten, native or not native, he is also attached in response, and such a two-way connection. she's strong enough and i don't know, she's less stronger than

genetically, maybe more in fact , in the series this topic is revealed, maybe even in more detail. all of us hostile motherhood is like a teenager, anya becomes attached, then , allegedly to her sister, but in reality to her mother, then to one friend, then to another a teenager is going, looking for an adult. this is also a metaphor. actually the child of the searching parent. yes, but ah. i want. uh, you know, remember also that we are talking about technological breakthrough a and about a series that reflects new technologies. able to radically change society basic all in society procreation. but, uh, the idea of ​​surrogate motherhood did not appear yesterday, and not even in the last century. no, more biblical stories, the wife did not give birth to a slave. yes, a slave gave birth, well, in indian society, by the way, ancient it was quite such a case is described in the bible,

there is this story, but in principle, it was not uncommon. this is not only a single, biblical, story there, but in ancient rome, a husband could. uh, somewhere to sell my dear young wife for a while, and in order for her to endure someone child for a fee. yes, she returned home. this was how it works. that is, it, uh, looked like an act , again, well, trading in a sense in the human body and as an act of great love and uh sacrifice, when a woman, uh, a friend’s sister or just another unfamiliar woman, and the victim was for herself her motherhood. well, there are not only victims , there they don’t particularly ask slaves how the maid’s story is actually in the series, but it’s important to understand here that from the point of view of antiquity, that of the middle ages, they are like that local genetics, uh, concentrated on the dna of the father, that is, paternal dna well, defining yes, maybe a bastard if

illegitimate, but in general, if dad offered his genes so you got dna along with this, uh, property titles of the castle peasants, what they believe there economic background. uh, actually, uh, there is no motherhood. so she still rides against pain in muscles and joints. it contains the highest dosage of a substance for pain and inflammation and a special component for better penetration into the focus. fight against pain inflammation in muscles and joints big package good price more questions please. transportation can contain immunity, which leads to frequent infections, taking antibiotics , and then again to the risk of dysbacteriosis to break the vicious circle. and zepol can help the composition of acebol is unique in it

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working there, now it is more and more difficult. that's who the servant is, who's the master, let's say, when i go to the doctor. he is not my servant. rather, on the contrary, he is now leading high. although he does not provide a service. oh well, i also cry in the servant salary there to the butler maid, if i had butler maids, i call the plumber. he seems to be a lower social class, but sometimes you look at a plumber. they go far away in a good car, which is not for you and me snils is a person who provides a service. listen, is it true that we have, uh, caste and such a map of daxality in society, yes , the division that was orthodox and, uh, clearly defined. fallen off in past centuries. well, in fact, now it hasn’t fallen off in any way. our human nature, built on uh dominant and on hierarchy of plumbing. and you are the dominant and

the question. who has more raspberry ass, it remains relevant. and what then what now, yes, society, the social pattern of society is changing, but raspberry assholes are a priority , and in this sense it is still somehow necessary to dominate even if there are no slaves to the masters, and there are different social, you say different social status. yes, there are different financial status. and again, yes, we define this inequality. as you say serves or does not serve. uh, well, in this case, more crimson ass y someone who has a lot of money, but you can also redraw this more crimson ass to a completely different character, for example, make a dominant surrogate mother. well , it’s very simple a woman who can’t give birth herself , she, i’m talking about dystopia within the framework of dystopia, such uh, inhumane things as a thought experiment. yes. and so

that no one, uh, viewer is hurt. uh, in the sense of hmm insulting feelings, and for example, yes, a woman who cannot give birth, she is socially hierarchically lower, which, by the way, does not contradict the evolution of biology in any way, because a monkey that cannot give birth in a hierarchical society to monkeys occupy lower positions has, uh, fewer bananas and nuts and, accordingly, it is beaten much more often sleeps, it is in the corner they are in a warm place, as soon as it gives birth she has. uh, social growth before our eyes. and this is beneficial, and the more she gives birth, the more high-ranking male, the higher she rises. yes, imagine a woman who is strict. mom is also a woman, she is a specialist. woman who can give birth, especially in our society where infertility is constantly on the rise and numbers that indicate an increase in infertile couples. uh, at every conference, at every

symposium, the audience is simply amazing, and in this sense, the sum. mom is, first of all , a high-class expert, uh, an astronaut, in fact, in childbearing, who delivers the child to a couple even then. uh, if we have a dominant, a crimson ass built differently, we shift it. uh, from one place to another , we have a high-ranking mom and low -ranking, uh, lying at his feet, trying to all to get her attention with money or something else, or real queues of women who, due to the fact that they are fruitlessly, are on the lower specially here. it seems to me that you can come up with a beautiful dystopian plot. it seems to me that we did it for the creators of the series. i'll just show you now. what is the question of inequality is solved where is the dominant, and the dominant can be placed virtually anywhere. well, look, we still have such a utopia less realistic than

the reverse? why e prestigious places, for example, sciences often lose women, having equal starts due to the fact that they left to give birth , but in our country, the truth is that society is mostly patriarchal and there really is complete equality in high positions, such as science and some kind of managerial, well, there is really no complete equality . it's true, after all, young karl marx wakes up in me. isn't there a question of a divided degree in this exploitation, and i think that this is connected with systems. what is there, a certain task and roles for a man and for women and uh, u us from a historical point of view. only yesterday discord started about the fact that a woman is equal. eh, man and an equal partner for a man, not him. uterus on legs and so on, that is, in this sense, uh in this sense uh, there is a rather unambiguous point of view that representatives

of the feminist movement of the third wave adhere to that surrogate motherhood is unacceptable, in principle, just in terms of objectification and use of the female body is such a utilitarian use. yes and hmm in this plan. yes, this is the role from which a woman cannot get out for centuries , including, because it is also integrated inside her. uh, these stories are about the fact that the handicapped did not give birth. yes, you will not give birth there , they will throw you out of marriage from the city and family from life in general from anything. she, of course, can provoke the acquisition of a child at any cost and the offer of such a service as usual, because if there is a demand to obtain a child, yes, then there will be and a supply, eh. which e are in difficult life situations in this sense. yes there is one more the line of attitude in society uh towards surrogate motherhood is actually like prostitution, like

in the trade of love, uh people and the trade in one's own body. and when the body is literally rented out, even the name of the series is a container. yes, it reflects. in a sense , this point of view that some kind of complex in a simple way sits, the heroine's mother includes you are a prostitute. you are a whore. here's how it responds to you. this is what to answer such a mother? well , in this sense, mother wants to support by the throat. everything is fine. so the game is a heroine. just uh, beyond praise, because i want, uh, to start fighting her at some point, but she plays great. yes, but still you want to ask me what i think, i'm prostitution - is it or not? no, i do not think that this is prostitution, but i think that this is a very difficult episode for a woman, but contempt and some kind of, uh, overthrow of these women or not. listen, in many countries, uh, commercial

surrogacy for money is prohibited, but you can do it for free almost when this service, yes, the service is a victim. it seems to me that it only makes sense. i'm sorry but today i'll get off abstrusely only meaning, which is interrupting the meaning of procreation. it can help to leave the psyche guard to the same surrogate mother. that is, if she believes in her service, and it is more valuable to her than the function of being born somewhere. actually, where she wore she gave birth, she gave birth, but this is the meaning that came out. he can help her survive. eventually. yes, she didn’t just, uh, she went through the torment and gave it away. well, i got the money. and that she is a great activity, and this is generally normal. you know there's a concept uh, social sex is coming out in some countries now, what kind of social is it like that when it's a fine line? yes, this is not considered prostitution, when for people who cannot get sex

, for example, there are a-a disabled people or there are people who face a number of difficulties, they can find a partner and miss this, not necessarily disabled, they can seek solace in such here uh, without uh disinterested uh, a sex worker who is not for money, but in order to console , hug, stay and return human beings dignity is associated with sex having sex with them. well, such a treatment of the soul through the body, speaking with pathos, well , in fact, in my opinion, there is a story in the bar when the first world war and a young almost noblewoman girl gets e as a nurse in a hospital? and he is expelled from there because he had sex with a wounded man and explaining to the doctor, even if in his place there was the most snuffed out most vile man, i would still give myself up, because they returned from the front. they are wounded, they can at any moment

die, but this is actually , this is not the only such form of service, true well, look how we are talking about extreme points, if the middle, well, first of all, let's not reduce everything to women's service. i remember classical literature , one strugatsky episode came to my mind about a handsome young officer who returned from the front in orders. uh, black-haired, broad-shouldered and was seen all the time in the company of very dubious ugly often mute women and friends. they asked under a glass, what are you, you are enviable groom, especially when there are few men. he says, i spend some time with them , some kind of joy. they had it, because no one will find a peasant for themselves after the war. here the man turns himself into an object. uh. it also happens that he turns himself into an object of grisha, but, and this object is illuminated by the meaning for him, anything you can find somewhere, the higher meaning will work. it seems to me that such hot topics as

surrogate motherhood are. eco, uh, there's social sex and stuff in general, these ones that are on the verge. yes they are on the same side break very badly. cultural and historical context, which has evolved over the centuries. sorry, yes, on the other hand, these facts have been in history for centuries too. yes, here we stand here on a very thin line. i think it's about like a big kitchen knife, but you can not cut meat, but you can slaughter a person. energy, well, in general, yes. here, probably, the question is not about the phenomenon. e most surrogate motherhood. and about how we use it in private history or in social history in general, because here you are, after all, today in the role such a boring lecturer. yes, everything is different at home, dear listeners. we have it the other way around. in general, i'm the smartest. she's a fool there, but more like that. well, it doesn't matter in different ways, but still, if this story went through our lives, how would we sort it out. here are

the heroes of the full ass. here. sorry for the existential crisis, of course, responsibility. here, exactly. eh, how would you and i choose here. and depending on what scenario we have. you mean eco uh it was, like, yes, that we are vadima marina, i fantasize about uh, that i would have everything for a child told and maintained relations with the surrogate mother, i fantasize that if we were lucky, the surrogate mother would turn out to be a fairly adequate person. she would be in a sense, kindred, which would be in the skin in the family, and out of jealousy, i would not have plucked her especially hearing. and i know that skeletons are like a psychologist. yes, i know there are skeletons in the closet. oh, and such complicated stories. they have very, uh, big consequences for the family system as a whole for the fate of a particular person. in particular. i have seen such things many times. i could turn it off a cover to turn off a psychologist for yourself, turning off

a jealous mother. uh, you know, uh, theoretically. yes, but practically. i understand that uh. here a lot depends on whether we could get along with her, yes, like two people. well , here, not only i built a contact, let's say, i could, maybe i couldn't. well, by the way, another variant of the situation with two mothers, the so-called mitochondrial mothers, has now appeared. let me remind you that we have genes in the nucleus and a little bit of genes are in the mitochondria and some hereditary diseases associated specifically with mitochondria. and scientists, and not in america. although the couple is american, but the americans did not allow it, in my opinion, in mexico they still have a clinic, in my opinion, some kind of clinic has not been opened . they made a child who has the genes of one woman in the core, well, of course along with the male genes, but the mitochondrion.