strongly against, but nevertheless, judging by this, for example, a microscopic episode, she allowed some. this episode from the staging of the storm is famous. yes, where she played the speculator manka well, yes, he obviously refers to some such stamp of the soviet era. although it is ingenious with gambling. by the way, you played. we donate this too. yes? by the way, i tried about manka in e. again, at the fish, she says how she treats such characters without any tenderness. well, naturally, because now it is sometimes accepted, well, to draw everything one paint. and what happened there 100 years ago. well, it is clear that these were the events. it was not just that, not from scratch, all the victories and all the

disgusting failures that were present at that time arose. of course, they were experienced by people, as if, as if they were their own. it's not easy. eh, there is some kind of fiction, it’s clear that there were such people as this manka, and i think that fain georgievna was also. everything is unpleasant with her like that. eh, as i understand it, well, sarcasm is internally very serious. by the way, what role do you like the most? here they are what do you like best. i really like everything, uh, her little episodes in the movie and all the roles and i really like how different everything is, that is, i can’t, i can’t choose any one piece or one movie or something, because that there are films that i have not seen at all in their entirety. and i saw only these little episodes with fondurgens. and definitely. he is here, that is,

such a big story that i saw in its entirety, this performance is further silence, but i can’t even say that, but to fully say, that i perceive it the way it really was, because because the theater is those, yes, it is alive, it is a living art, living, alive, history, and uh, and people who saw this performance said that it was necessary walk two three five times, because each time it is different, each time they played differently with growth. i. well, of course, this is the fixed second. do you think there is such an hmm opinion when we read ranevskaya that hmm she is closer to brecht's theater than to stanislavsky's theater though she denied this and said that stanislavsky is my favorite, there is a genius director, everything else is a teacher whom she saw once

briefly, but saw many of his performances, well, of course, she studied at them. yes, and in general, she played in the tairov theater, that's all. ah, the same, like a school, and here the question is, when people watch some of her performances, they really hmm see that she deviates from principles. stanislavsky, just this one from this theater of experiences gravitates more towards the theater of performances, like actresses. here, me so it seems, it seems to me, it's just uh, i don't separate it for me. you think it's some kind of synthesis. yes, it seems to me, yes, it seems to me that the most wonderful artists, just those who know how to combine this, when you know how to put on this kind of new mask every time you manage to fill it with lively

, lively emotions, lively feelings with a diary, roles, and er know the name of the dog that you have there at 5 years old. well, so as not to discourage me completely, but it seems to me that this was very characteristic of her, just complemented, she did not leave the theater of experiences, but she enriched it with some additional colors. like, for example, there smoktunovsky yes, who is absolutely, and the make-up is always different , but i can’t say that he didn’t worry. with i mean he didn't feel. this is, apparently, some kind of organic, but such a connection with well, i don’t know, with the universe of great actors, uh, these things connect. that's for sure. and since we

're talking about the series, i'd like to see the trailer, if there's a job opening, we'll let you know every morning and i think listening, then until late in the evening crying for you already there you just have to try to get. she wants the shame of russia zaika, stop the language of the voice, as a port loader needs connections. i have connections only in the city office. and i will achieve everything myself , eyes, eyes, and character. i would try them all, this is one actress, what kind of disheveled beaver is i will invite you to star in my film, and prostitutes. yes, but you will play an exceptionally selective honest woman, bastard, beauty.

i think, but to talk about it. if i became describe, i would say, in such a way that it is not a boyopic. and this is a play. some kind of play based on motives and of course, in no case can you say that you really play this particular person in these

circumstances. if you consider it like a play about it, then it turned out wonderful, and in fact. and this is very much the way i think, and sometimes people who do it should be so. well art is something in art. some kind of energy can pass through them. they themselves may not understand this, and therefore they need to be explained in general, they need to be told that guys, well, you made a theatrical, well , a theatrical play about this man, because you took a beautiful actress for the role of an ugly one, and so on and so forth. but uh, i'm not saying this as a compliment, actually. this is the first thing that comes up. well, like, well, faina dahlia, after all, such a specific woman here in general. no, no, by the way, i also wanted to say, i understand that you were playing. uh, also akhmatova in another series. well, not so big, not from 18:00 to 86 years old. and literally there. well,

it's still the way you are quarry, that is, you play the great e phenomenal personalities of the 20th century. here is and this same this for good reason somehow. yes, what moves yours, and producers and, uh, and directors to take you to them there, i don’t know you are telling you, i understand that the similarity is just purely external. i don't remember, i have two i have a broken nose. i don't remember which side i'm on. which profile is from which profile? in general, i am very similar to her, but i don’t know with ranevskaya, that is, you are from some profile, ranevskaya from some kind of ahmal, by the way, when you are like this, think about how to play ranevskaya, how are you getting ready, does it take some time, do you think about it, or do you drink this thing, or does the director tell you? here

she was as it happens. it's interesting. the first main task is to step over the e, hysterical in the head of this one. who am i who is she? and inevitably i had to stop intuitively through this, after all, they played in the play. yes, because otherwise i would fall into a stupor from horror from the responsibility of all this and from the thought of the endless thought that no one has this right and you can't do it. this is bad. this is wrong. can't be impossible. fu in place to lie. and the only thing that saved this is this mantra - this is not e, yes, our character is called their georgievna raevskaya, but this is not faina georgievna ranevskaya - this is a certain character. this is the first task was to cross everything else through this. well you're like any other role. whether you're an actress or a doctor or whatever you're i'm a bore i'm just like this

hmm i'm writing roles in a notebook keeping a role diary. i have it all recorded with one side text on the other side second plan. everything means, this is this, this is all i am. from the beginning of what was conceived to the embodiment of the past. well, personally, for the first time i was on the tests for the young ranevskaya then. something i can’t say for sure, but it seems that either four actresses, or two actresses and four ages were supposed to play it, and in 2013 yes, then it’s the same project. just transferred or everything has changed there. i don't, i don't know, and here's what i noticed in the film , uh, in this hmm, as if the playmaker neva she sometimes talks about these aphorisms that

we hear. yes, this, well, in your opinion, this is somehow done in order to make it more recognizable, and i think so, but again, these are not questions for me, these are screenwriters for the director and creative producers, and so on, of course. yes, although, how did you allow them on the site how to improvise and somehow add something from yourself? well, somewhere yes, but here is such a very line. still, another time, another language, other manners of communication between people. and uh, really go under yourself pull, like, as if that's all it was, of course. oh no. well, there was no such task. that's why no, something. i probably suggested, but basically somehow i'm a pretty obedient artist.

look, the last few years have become very popular. here are the fights. we watched a lot of films, both famous people. there, starting with yesenin. and now a film about vertinsky has been released . a film about anna german about lyudmila gurchenko. in general, they sort out almost all, uh, celebrities. why do you think there was such a hmm request from viewers for series about such people. probably because of the scale of the personality, because of an interesting fate, because, mm, the junction and fluff of times in ranevskaya , of course, an interesting fate, of course. well , how, however, we have him there and vertinsky understandably. yes, there vertinsky is also present in you. well, yes, just like quite a bit. yes, such a runaway. yes, look

at another question that always arises when you look at hmm in the credits for the performer of the main video, whose name is maria sagal. polishchuk, of course, the association with, uh, your parents is nowhere from this. finish you won't go anywhere. i think that at some point, maybe the same series will be made about your mother, because in general, her fate also kind of reminds in some kind of vicissitudes of fate, yes, yes. in general, these are certain roles, one role of an official. once he said a phrase about her, the face of a non- soviet woman and her well, they didn’t shoot her. quite right. i had the face of a hollywood woman. i always have a question for the children of such famous actors, what drives them to become actors. here are the fates of their

parents. yes you know me. well, how naturally, i thought about it a lot, i don’t think it’s something like that. here i go quickly. it's just that you live in certain conditions, i don't know how it is to live in some other family. i have lived with this family all my life. i have lived all my life with this mother, with this father , grandmothers, grandfathers, and so on, and this is some kind of natural habitat , there has always been a theater in which i endlessly followed my mother. my nanny worked as props in another theater. i'm in this theater to send endlessly to the rehearsals of other artists already and somehow the child learns what he sees in his home. this is true. i can’t imagine what would have to happen in order for me to fall in love at school, for example, physics

or chemistry, but you could follow in the footsteps of your father there you could if at least somehow at least a little, i liked to do it. unfortunately, i didn't like drawing at all. why, unfortunately, this is not clear, because the fate of the artist. uh, usually even more complex than the actors, because the actors we see from no one you depend. you're on your own dad. in the morning, you got up and went along whining. now i'm on crutches. well, went all the time. no, he broke his leg on january 1, went out for a walk with the dog. slipped. fell broke his leg, that is, as if he walks to work, as if to work. well, of course, no one forces him to do it because he wants it, especially in the state theater, especially in the repertory theater, which i no longer work, i have to be kind on the schedule and

work more in connection with which you sometimes throw such hmm hooks, for which nothing i can’t catch on, and i have worked in the theater on maly bronnaya since 2007 and they all count it, because i’m not very good with mathematics. well, something there is 15. you see, you counted very quickly. i can't get it that fast. at the end of last season, i was fired from the staff and left on a contract, but since on a contract i am not obliged to come to play performances on the days when i have performances and since it coincided for several months in a row that i could not, well, then i have i could choose i can or i can't and i i didn’t choose very well. and i really like that i don’t owe anything to anyone officially. yes, i have a work book

in my folder with folders in which there are folders with documents. if you are invited to the main roles, then your career is yours to me. hmm, your career is like a fate, including more or less material, i understand but, if not, then you don’t work in the theater either, as a matter of fact, uh i work in the theatre. it's just that i work in an independent theater and it's you , it's extremely simple, uh, one person rents a room, other people come there. and plays there. ah, and there are many different all sorts of great. and that's great. that's just fine and that's where i'm just getting great pleasure even in some cases, by the way, decent money. this is cool. i was very glad to meet you and admired your kind of work. my name is igor igritsky. we say goodbye to you. i had a wonderful actress maria tsygal, polishchuk, who

played the main role in the tv series ranevskaya e. all the best. i hope that we will see each other more than once, or is it god goodbye? good day, dear viewers of channel one. i dmitry bug invite you to the next edition of the literary podcast. let them not speak, let them read. in our podcast, we are talking to those who make modern literature, read modern books and classics, and wish you to read with pleasure. today we are doing this together with pavel basinsky writer and columnist. e of the russian newspaper. good afternoon pavel hello, i am very glad to see you and today

we will talk about what you, uh, wrote in past years, what you write now and if allow me, and i would start a conversation with your cycle of books about fat women. so after all, it is correct to say a cycle of books about leo tolstoy. and not only about him, but about those who are connected with him by very close bonds or complex bonds so correctly, when i wrote the first book or in the thick one, the flight of israel, i did not conceive any cycle. eh, but then it happened. yes, we can say that the cycle and how many books are already already quite a lot. she considers. the first is israel, then the saint against the lion. this is the tolstoy church. tolstoy, he is kronstadt, then a lion in the shadow of a lion - this mustache, and then i had such a short, complete biography of tolstoy leo tolstoy

free man, which the young guard came out. and, uh, the true story of anna karenina that is, it turns out five five books at the moment, the last one, as it is now customary to say the last one at the moment. we wish you new books - this is the true story of anna karenina. and tell me, please, how did it happen, but you did not expect the cycle to be thick, but what played a role here. uh, such a deafening success of the first book or inexhaustibility, i’m not afraid of this word of lev nikolaevich’s personality that it was, probably, success also played some role , when i wrote the flight of israel, not only did i not think about success, i didn’t think at all that someone would print this book, and even, although they don’t believe me, but the book, says it came out in 2010. it was the 100th anniversary of the departure and death of tolstoy, i did not think that there would be 100 years. it's true, it's just a coincidence. yes, i just

became interested in this topic of tolstoy's departure. well, the book really was a success. it probably played some role in what i became. continue to write it in thick, but still not only not so much. it’s just that tolstoy is such a figure, mmm, that if you take on some topic in his life, in this case , death and departure, then some new incredibly interesting topics automatically pop up while i was studying. this topic. i was interested in the theme of tolstoy church conflict church. well , it's not new, but of course, it's not researched, it's not thought out. i would say that nothing new seems to be written about tolstoy. and yet. every time you open you open something new. well, i would say that everything is written, er, i dare to argue. of course, there are classic books. this is boris himbab, for example, the author of a cycle of a whole book, but i would say that tolstoy is not awarded the same

attention as dostoevsky, for example, on the anniversary of the dostoy. 40 books have been published, for example, 40 in one clip. shall we not offend anyone by naming any names? but speaking in general, it seems to me that there are not enough, and such fundamental serious books, all the more understandable to the general public, i see well, probably from the old fat people are old, so to speak, the schools are gone, guji, goose, dai khenbaum. e hmm bulgakov e. zhdanov new is not that they did not come to eat, for example, a wonderful book. andrey zorin yes, tolstoy's life in my opinion. eh, viewed as text? yes, here is a biography biography of andrei zorin, yes. yes, a very powerful book. that's why the yasno polyansky collections appear there, and the state tolstoy museum works, which well

, probably, yes, probably, that's some kind of such. strong understandable tolstoyan school today, as before, it was possible, no, but i'm talking about something else. i'm talking about those books that, well, would help , uh, a very large wide circle of people take a fresh look at tolstoy, and your book was exactly like that, because i tell my student that you read pavel basinsky this person loves the late tolstoy and this well, it is very difficult to love the late tolstoy, really. i think there is another point here. here, i once thought, what is the secret of the success of tikhonov shevkunov's book, not saints, well, well, i wrote. yes, today the water was written by a monk. well what? ah, he removed the fear of monastic

life from the average reader, because, well, the average person stops being in a monastery. there is something incomprehensible, something of a mystical indication. look, they are ordinary people. they are not saints. although maybe saints and uh, that was the reason. well, apart from the fact that she is good, really reasons, the main reason. uh, here, in my opinion, success was just that. i think partly. the same thing happened with my tolstoy book because, well, people from school form representation. that's about this some very angry gray beard, that means the old people who hung. yes, they perceive him as a late perception of all this tolstoy, in general of the whole world - this is hmm. a gray-haired old man with beards , bushy mustaches and with a very angry look. and this kind of, so to speak, fear of this figure, and i wrote to him as a person, it turns out. m rushed about it turns out he sinned, it turns out he had a complicated relationship with

his wife, like a complicated family history, like many of us. i think this is more bribed this book to unhappy families. they are all happy in their own way, as we know, but really, but i think there was another fear or another prejudice, but these years, well, these years. let's clarify. it is approximately. uh, after anna karenina, probably, yes, the end of the seventies, anna karenina was published in the seventy-fifth dash 77. but the seventy- ninth eighties, writing a confession is such a turning point. uh, i think another important warning is that these years are perceived as crisis and only. well, this is some kind of decline, the crisis of old age, or the case of the young tolstoy, who writes the cossack there war and peace and other masterpieces. and this is something so mezheumochnoe not quite. uh, ripe or overripe, isn't it? well, i think that in the minds of most people

, both war and peace were already written by a gray-bearded tolstoy although this is not young. he is, of course, still young. yes, u full of energy in general and uh twenty -eighth eh, fifty-eighth thirty years 63 35. well, you and i yes, twice as much, but, but in the minds of most people - this is how it is so he wrote the war of the world. here is such a tolstoy tolstoy here, therefore, and, of course, tolstoy after the spiritual crisis tolstoy philosophers tolstoy religious preacher and so on. and there are some fat people here. eh, some kind of fear and not something to be afraid of, but simply that there is some kind of barrier to his perception. now, he's not really human. i would say so, man. well, how would the undead, but how, right? yes, he wrote that residents or such a teacher with a capital letter is sure to. here,

although caricature yes, yes, yes, i can’t be silent. that's m-m, than my vera dark vera yes , what would art be with the late tolstoy as we remember, i remind our dear viewers, he refuses. here are the publications of works of art completely completely and publishes and writes writes you also only do not publish art. why publishes basking rosna should have been published. and here are some other things on sunday, it was finally the ninth year. no, at the beginning. yes , at the beginning he simply refuses to write. he writes. uh, only such short stories. here how people are alive and so on. uh, well, then he writes more than that, uh, this is a common mistake. that tolstoy began to write worse after the spiritual upheaval?

here are the tolstoy periods of the war of the world, anna karenina - this is a delusion, at least the resurrection is the resurrection of an artistic point. sorry in terms of style. this is a much more accurate thing, but rather than, and for the karenins, especially the war. i'm not talking about their zhimurat and father sergiy and the death of ivan ilyich sunday, how would another sin e perceive it as really like that detailed moralizing, which but yes really is sunday. this is a novel where the author stands behind the back of each character and breathes on the back of his head, it is felt, but in this there is also, uh, no, the avant-garde of this thing is definitely avant-garde, yes, because when you feel all the time, this is the author’s breath . here hmm you get a slightly different impression. let 's say in karenina's bath you rarely feel

tolstoy's breath when he condemns someone or someone. oh, well, sunday in this regard are interesting on the avant-garde of the eternal. she its effect can be compared in a different way, but it lets me. viewers, but with the impact of a black square compared to raphael's madonnas, we find it difficult to love, like hmm something attractive beautiful graceful. yes, probably so. well, probably, yes, although it seems to me that katyusha maslova can, but you can love her eyes yes, yes, yes, well, we know that leaving is not only leaving yasnaya polyana, uh, in the fall of 910-1910, but this care is what is the main thing for almost all the main characters of tolstoy, this is the deer in the story of the cossacks and andrei bolkonsky of course and

uh hmm prosecutor golovin in the story of the death of ivan ilyich and their luda. of course they leave their usual life. this is such scopism. yes, flight, i would say, not even leaving. but it is precisely escape that is not the same as escape from problems. rather, run away from yourself, from yourself. what happens to father sergius, what happens to the senin cossacks. and what happens to pierre bezukhov with balcony? yes, with anyone, with anyone from his main e all his main characters, and the second - it was hmm tolstoy. it's me. in the process of studying his biography, i found out that it is very important that tolstoy would have dreamed of changing his disguise in general. here, it’s not just to get away from yourself, but to live under a different name. yes , no one knew who he was, as a result

, bulletins appear in the newspapers. yes, he is running he thinks that he disappeared in the third grade , he goes mixed with the people, and in the newspaper , journalists write that leo tolstoy is such and such a station at such yes, therefore, therefore father sergius yes, therefore, unfinished death. notes of startsev fyodor kuzmich this is a legend that alexander the first did not die in taganrog, which means, and he changed his body, the beginning of siberia , uh tolstoy knew, of course, that this is a legend, but she was interested in him once he became her, how would this fake in general it's important to express it artistically. this is what interested him. fedya protasov yes, this efficiency of a corpse, yes, effective suicide, how would you live, but everyone thinks that you are no longer there. you live somewhere under some other name, and anna karenina , of course, warmed him. this is an idea. here warmed this idea, perhaps in many ways with this. is this possible? the most important thing hmm is the semantic

distance between leaving and running. flight is. well, so to speak, anywhere, if israel and then probably to hell. perhaps this flight is not meaningful. probably this escape is not successful, so many people interpret the last escape 100 yes, he is going, uh, it has not yet been proven where yes is completely somewhere to the south, having visited optina pustyn yes, and quite accidentally catches a cold and falls ill. well, that is, this escape, as it were, failed, unsuccessful, maybe even meaningless, as many say, not me, but still the flight of israel - is it usually the flight of nonsense, darkness, external or not? how they settled in. the fact is that hmm, here you still need to distinguish. eh, tolstoy's specific act was indeed running away from that one. in general, from the horror that happened to yasnaya polyana mainly.

not by him, of course, of course, but by his fault. this was due to the will about it. well , i am writing there, it is quite detailed, but, and the second point, the topic of leaving really warmed him. he tried several times from home leave during your life. it wasn't the first one. uh, and he really believed that he would rent a hut somewhere and live to take his daughter to him. sasha because you still need it. yes, maybe makovitsky will still be a doctor. hello shower shower, yes, uh, and no one will know that this is the great tolstoy, and he, as it were , tormented him to live there with such a diogen, glory tormented him with this infinity of camera shooters. uh, here, uh in yasnaya polyana uh, and he really wanted her unity, but he could not find it. of course you when i wonder what when he i understood it, but he understood. it was on the train when sasha brought newspapers from the station. and he saw

what he said, all the newspapers are full of my departures and literally in an hour the temperature rises there. and that means they were smoky in the car. yes, but all this specifically happened after he saw, so this is where he will not run away. well , i think it's still important to see it. maybe i'm wrong, and not just uh, such fame fatigue and so on. and deep as before the 20th century. they would say an existential act is important. and in general for russia is very an important act of trying, realizing the complexity of the way to avoid it is known. eh, this is the famous moment of the artsaman horror, and at the end of the sixties, when in such a dirty arzamas hotel room, he went there, completely for some business needs. yes, he suddenly realizes that

well, i have my own point of view. yes, they don’t share it, they don’t share it. almost nobody. i don't attach much importance to moscow's horror. and what happened tolstoy just finished work on a double world, the work was monstrously intense with headaches, it was necessary to hand over everything already on time in russian , yes, and for a long time. yes, and here it is finished. so to speak, he is already working there as proofreaders, and he is on his way. uh, means to buy the estate looked in the newspapers. here is some kind of nizhny novgorod province. so, there are quite cheap lines. and, most likely, just drive through and really treat. prior to that, he sat in blue yasnaya polyana and wrote, he war and peace. then he leaves, it turns out that it is night in the hotel and he is attacked by an inexplicable fear, but in fact, well, now it's called panic attack, really inexplicable and that's

why scary, because he can't explain to himself what to do. what was he afraid of? well, they just lost their nerves, they just lost their nerves in unfamiliar surroundings. but you never know, which is curious that the next day he writes about this in his arzamas horror andreevna. yes, they corresponded every day when he left somewhere, there are two letters a day that they wrote, and he writes. he says nothing about the fear of death. there's not a word. he just says, some kind of longing attacked me, so i can’t explain it, then says the next day. she returned to me again, but i was already ready for her. and so it was not so scary. but 10 years later, when he writes notes of a madman , he remembers this and explains it with the fear of death, and there red squares appear. here something such a wonderful definition of his own was that tolstoy as an artist used real cases of real people, he mercilessly used

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