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bacteria to restore microphones this is a podcast of letters, we are talking about faina ranevskaya and i have two beautiful actresses galina finished and olga khokhlova why didn’t they give her roy i want to say that we are all unhappy with our acting fate. she is a laureate of three stalin prizes. yes, i thank you for saying this. faina georgievna was treated kindly. brezhnev loved to listen, which, yes, i pray, well, of course, which i once quoted. uh, molly, don't make me nervous. she said, well, leonidovich, tell me, i only know with rumors that boys call me that on

the street hooligans are not ashamed of you. yes yes you who would hooligans or yes. yes, there was respect, she herself with her own character. eh, messed up a bit. you can say, of course, of course, the actress, you know. actors that it is not always possible to say everything, what did you think of the truth? yes, of course, and many were with her. hard. yes, fear, when she was quite. what did she say to zavadsky? yes? yes, yes, once yuri zavadsky shouted in the hall to the actress faina georgievna, you gobbled up all my the director's idea here i have the feeling that i ate shit, retorted raev's with rapture. i would beat all the hacks in the face, and i endure i endure ignorance, i endure lies, i endure a miserable existence. eh, i endure semi-beggars and i will endure until the end of my days i endure even the factory proverb ranevskaya generated by her friction on professional

grounds. with yuri zavasky. you know what zavodskoy dreams about. he dreams that he is already buried in the kremlin wall, but this man allowed himself what none of us can afford, really, imagine that her beloved, she thought so, that's her daughter. e, wulf pavel leontievna. she was married to zavadsky, and he left her. she took it as a mother and married a sailor, or something else like this one, who has crooked legs and she’s just, well, like a horse on a race, that is, you understand, and she, as a mother, could afford quite sharp expression, who will like it he young actors were afraid terribly on everything said, my boy. this is her eh. e hmm strong human. he immediately identifies bad people, and he starts barking at them.

there was horror in the theater when this dog entered and approached everyone, everyone expected that now she was no bark, and everyone would understand that it was dangerous for a young actress or a young actor in disfavor in my st. george, whom she could tell everything about his talent. it's in such complexes. you can drive. a person is either from the roof or from the profession, you understand forever the test, what test you will withstand or not withstand it is stupid, because talented people are great geniuses, they always notice talented people anyway and after all, first they will try to what extent he will endure their mockery, and then, with the love of a make-up artist, how were they afraid of her? once, on the set of her permanent make-up artist, either fell ill, or simply did not come one way or another on the spot. he was gone after a solid scandal. ranevskaya agreed to replace her timidity with a young girl just after graduation. she was already fainting from the consciousness of who i would have to work with, and this scandal, even before the channel,

is final, obviously. i wish to cheer up the newcomer, ranevskaya decided to talk to her she asked about married life no. the girl took a chance on the horn and faina georgievna approved it well; i remember when in odessa they deprived me of my innocence and screamed. so the cities fled. but in general, she has such a phrase is a whip. this is just an excerpt, and about love, about that, when they were deprived of their virginity, everything that happens in bed has nothing to do with love. that is love. here, for example, with the marshal. um, it doesn't necessarily have to be that they had some, maybe they had a platonic love. and this is quite possible. she is olya, even i am already at that age when i understand that e bed love is generally different incarnations one to the other. in general , it has nothing to do with it. yes, it is harmonious even that you are at that age telling me. i adore you, and you

will live at any age. thank you very much, yes, i asked for it, but i really understand that all my life i have been married to those with whom i was torn apart, from whom i wanted to give birth. here's who to bed with. i ran to marry them, and i thought it was love. true, this love has nothing to do. oh well, okay, let's, we are still, yes, about love. e about that dot who, uh, she loved before she loved orlova love orlova lyudmila and love. she was a little offended when alexandrov invited her to the role there, er, mother. he said how we are with any of the same age. it's just that she attributed 10 years of her own there. and i'm a fool for only two years , everyone who loved me did not like me. and whom i loved did not love me, who would know my loneliness. damn this same talent that made me unhappy my appearance ruined my personal life lonely

death anguish. i am 81 years old. i’m sitting in moscow for the summer, i can’t leave the dog, they rented a house for me outside the city from the toilet in may. maybe one lover of the house closet, old age - it's just a testament. i think it's ignorant. with god, when he allows you to live to old age, lord, everyone is already gone. and i still live. it seems to me that a lot here again i say it was exaltation, a lot was invented. i want to tell you now it's scary, but look, but today psychologists are working. yes, there you never know what's wrong with you happened there is such an opportunity and the psychologist explains everything about himself to you. and you kind of think, the truth is, i have bipolar disorder. i am a mentally unbalanced person. well, well, really, i don't know that. no , i just don’t know about myself . they prescribe you some pills. you become, you stop cutting yourself more evenly , you stop tearing yourself, your nails stop eating yourself, because they gave you the plates

, they explained to you that this is not. you don’t need anything terrible there with a blanket, but at night under the pillow i think that it’s somehow not like that. just a little correction for you. i think that, uh, faina georgievna also had some problems. well, that's such a psychological property rather than. she today, of course, would be her. uh, they would correct it, i would like to tell you the first half of the letter, which marilyn monroe could have written in the same way i am lonely and my appearance is to blame for everything, because beauty is also literally a terrible force. here is a terrible force, and it is tearing there, and there, that is, uh, this letter. and i thought this letter i know its artist, to well not as outstanding appearance, well, they are also lonely, but sometimes they have some random men. they even somehow manage to get from one

of them the parents of the child and live and understand. well, like my mommy, she talked all the time, according to her clothes, stretching her legs. well, yes, well , so that's nature to me, too. here today gave here well to go mad. i still want to give you what i was in. eh, what's the matter? why was faina georgievna so lonely and why did she consider herself such an unfortunate choice. it is mine. ah, such a belief. this is her choice. uh, people are getting more and more annoying. you, the less i communicate with them, the better i feel, because, in fact, the people whom she loved are no longer there, they are all there, and here she says, it’s hard for me to be a genius among the boogers, that is, she felt aware of herself, that she is, of course, and now, when i get used to her, uh, i have another longing here, which

i also have. hmm, for those whom i loved madly. now i can't love madly. i can tolerate someone. here you go. and i want it to be like this, because when it was it is impossible to live without this, and she is like an actress, i did not get it galina and some questions, some questions answered themselves. here , uh, well, as if trying on a role. i’m immersed in history, the names of george , something in your particular life has changed , for example, it has become easier or vice versa, or in general, something has gone to some tenth plan. in general, of course, as a system of values, somehow, uh, something has changed. no, i'm just amazed at how similar we are, i apologize for such a comparison, because for those who e me bad, because i, too , e, there are madly in love with the theater and nothing in life. when i hear some actress talking, i was walking by with my friend. and here we are.

i feel bad at heart, because i didn’t want to see anything else in my life. i really love theater. and if i don't go on stage, i'm dead, i would be golden. my god, that's why you play ranevskaya, because the nature of the psychophysicist has fallen. yes , you can’t run into the theater with a kandachka, you can’t play it, and then run to a restaurant to understand girlfriends are not allowed, yes, and so i say that yes , directors offend me, who tell me, there you are a comedy for an actress. you can't play there some, well, i think it's so stupid. uh, i say that i'm also uncomfortable because i always bring my text to the director. i say, it seems to me that right here, right there, inviting me there , right there, lord, there was a movie recently. e for the role of concierge. i say ok. i'm ready because uh whatever. it's just shamelessness. well, just no. no, i say, come on, everything will play characteristically.

come on, it's going to be an oriental woman. listen, he’s so much now. everywhere, like this role, it turned out thanks to galina’s character. you understand that e is an artist who plays the main role of a beauty who passes by the concierge, she should be remembered, and you’re not the only one in this film, but the director didn’t tell you , squeeze the film not about you, therefore, here is the answer to the profain georgievna, she played the same zinka this is the speculator, but in the kremlin chimes. yes, she said, i will find you and kill you if you are in a dream in the film, and she played in the theater yes, she, uh, people came to watch the first acts and went and left altogether, and he removed her and answered questions. why do they say so? so? here, thank god, because i, too, literally even in big difference, such a director,

not a chin, like who has now become something galina well, you hide behind your back, because everyone is looking only at you. go to the background. please leave, so here, thank god , this is the role. thank you for writing it. she became so bright that the advertisement of this film was only with me. but today look, our podcast directors. well, you know by chance, everything in life, you accidentally saw it and say, lord, i'm a fool, it's been 5 years already. let's look like this, and you are not a muscovite, and i am not. we all came to college with three kopecks. and you lived in hostels and i wish you lived without money. yes, we didn’t know what would happen after the institute, there were periods when there were no roles, men threw us , true, throw, that is, there is nothing in faina georgievna’s biography that would directly strike me, and i would say, my god, how she survived it. i would not have survived, but my own

sister lived abroad, in my opinion in romania . yes, in the bourgeoisie of romania, then in paris she also sent parcels. well, something like that, yes, ah, and the dahlia was from a very rich family. and she had an excellent upbringing and languages. ah, i mean, she had a good act. my god. she once overheard. uh, what dad said that she wasn’t yes, i know a million girls about whom someone once said, as it were , to say, maybe yes. i became an actress, uh, she came to moscow and with barnaul and said jackdaw i don't understand why you are not filmed. here churikova is also terrible on her filming a movie. he is galya beauty beauty. no, it's well, that's what churikova was for me. uh, the queen is a beauty and an actress, but my mother. no. what did you say to your mother, but i can’t say anything. she treated me like that because of this, then

they didn’t get married, because you were in the complex, she gnawed, because men loved me, you know? well, you understand, that is, well, we all came across someone who got it. a how a man can drive guys into the complex, but it's just that i heard from my husbands. i think the other would probably just go out the window, i mean, she was special. it seems to me that it’s not because she experienced something like that in her life, it’s then her biographers. e, sue began to look for some words, to look for this very nature of her such. yes, wild talent, but in fact, it seems to me, this is loneliness. it would be her choice. and i know who the girlfriends who are single, but it did not become such a tragedy that tells. yes, because the person chooses it. so, he is ready to exist in this and he likes it, you know? this choice of this loneliness is a kind of, as it were, motivation and, uh,

talent. here she was nourished in this loneliness. she nurtured her talent in this. it's a tragedy drama, but it's her life and she loves it. let's be honest, of course, yes. come on, honestly, the family takes away a lot of power of energy, i will say that the more and more famous, the more unraveling. it is the reason for this popularity, which is stretching here. since then, uh she really, apparently, has some kind of mystery in her because of the events. they really touched us all, nothing out of the ordinary lost my son there, uh, i don’t know in the hole. e, jumped, they got her out of there and became like an actress according to ostrovsky. i think, well, well, yes. well, probably some kind of dissatisfaction. it exists for all of us. it seems to me that i am such a cut. well, i don't even have one award, er,

there isn't. well, there are a few, by the way, i received an award for the best performance of a knapsack. and this is an international theater festival. here. i simply and all the same, and i want another thuja fifth tenth, and there are these, uh, funeral accessories, which she called these orders and medals, their whole pillow is really both state and stalinist awards. and what is it it's not easy, it's not easy. when we became the winner of the all-union competition with yan orlazorov , we shared one time, it was enough for us to buy a bottle of cognac there for about 15 rubles. and this, uh, this is money, this is 100.000-150 recognized. yes, yes, he said. and that's why he says, uh, about whom the actor about zharov about zharov he says, to whom no matter how he plays, he always plays the same way, but the makeup changes, and here she says, faina georgievna seems to be without makeup, but everywhere it’s different all the time, that is, she was recognized as another

matter, which is really. she couldn’t play aphelia, you see, but there is such a ball of antennae that sticks a beard on a chain, but anyway, it’s always clear that this is the artist zharov but the artist koronevskaya never sticks anything, but anyway, this podcast is always very different. and larisa guzeeva visiting me was finished. and olga crested. thank you. thank you. hello this is a podcast triggers and i'm sergey with you, he is a psychologist and tatyana krasnovskaya, a psychologist and a psychotherapist, and we are talking with our guest olga olga tell us what you came to us with today, and i came after a relationship with an abuser.

so a psychopath, probably, but having lived with him for some period of time, i now understand that there are some consequences of this relationship in my life, and i catch myself that i can’t cope on my own and i have some kind of body reaction . yes , inappropriate for some situations. i think i perceive it the situation is wrong and i have no right to be offended and annoyed there. that is, it seems to me that i invent everything for myself and get myself to suppress these emotions. and she herself suffers from this and it seems to me that people when they talk to me, i understand everything wrong, that is, some kind of everything, perverted, as if i have some kind of distortion and in general , somewhere the norm. how old are you 35 years old? how many years have you been right in that relationship for three years, and how long have you lived in them for two or three years? how do you talk to a psychopath and abuser? yes? tell us how it was in general, that it was met in moscow . he turned out to be an arab because of egypt, in

the sense you did not know. yes, he told me that he is half-arab, half-american. this was my first mistake of him, because i turned a blind eye to it. so when you can start dating, i started asking him. i say, after all, where is your mother, where is your father? what are their names, and he says, well, that is, well, we will get to know each other well. here. well, it turned out, ended up there after a while relationship. i i realized that he was a pure slave and not just some kind of elite blood, how he opposed himself, that he graduated from some american universities there, he was just from egypt and a rather poor family, but really wanted to seem like such a status person. it can be understood. and if he would build one hundred percent, i still

probably have some stereotypes in my relationship. yes , it seems to me, well, mobility. but you also need to understand what kind of person. well, that is acquaintance. oh well, here i am with the guys from egypt after all. it seemed to me that nothing can't be serious with him. well , they built a pyramid somehow. well, you haven't managed to build this pyramid yet. no , probably, for this they have respect for him, therefore, about it. i tell you how your relationship was built. it so happened that i lost my job in moscow, and he says, he lives in dubai uh-huh and says, come on, come to me. in general, we will build relationships. i dropped everything. well, no work. and how long did you date while you were in moscow, uh, like, months. three uh-huh three months and then i i went to dubai, that is, first i went with him to visit him for his birthday for 2 weeks. then she returned to moscow and then left

completely. well, i didn’t quite somehow leave completely, but i’ll just return, i won’t return, this one was open, and we started a relationship with them, everything was beautiful, that is, well, he looked after him very beautifully, well, how beautiful, but he’s allowed. and if we went to a restaurant, if it was in moscow when then i always called the car, that is , there are always restaurants there every time flowers then, of course, we had relatives. for attitude and when i came there he was staying in a hotel, because he was here on a business trip, he was staying in a hotel with a film crew, and they were filming a tv show for a football game. that is, they lived in a hotel. when i always came, it's always roses on the bed - it's always a bunch of flowers, a bunch, there are treats. well, it's just a lot of scenery. i mean, this is just too much. and that is, here i plunged into some kind of fairy tale. yes, that is, as if that's how i got swirled. that's how cinderella and i liked it there. ugh, i kind of wanted to

keep it yes. and probably, later, when they already started some. i have very pleasant events in our relationship to occur. i knew how it was, they began to happen when you left there, when he proposed to me , he proposed or not in moscow in dubai, i flew to dubai, we began to live everything was beautiful, and then ah. i caught him on the first betrayal, i accidentally saw a photo there with a girl. kissing everyone, where he takes a selfie against the background of our roughly speaking bed. when i asked him what, well, what is it? he said that i misunderstood everything, and it was just the masseuse who came to play you kissing everyone like that. he says it's just you brought me i think maybe it's true, i did something wrong. maybe he should not be so offended somehow. maybe something to get up is better

to become more good more beautiful, well, so that he does not cheat on me. and i flew to moscow then to think. i thought about returning or not. well, apparently, this longing, which he gave me at the beginning. i wanted to go back there. you thought i guess i think she's funny if you do something a little differently, it’s better to strain yourself, as if through yourself for him, then he will go forward and do the same for me. and i returned, and he was afraid, apparently, to lose me, because he immediately proposed to me. and after that , he said that i was his property and in the arab countries, so after you accepted the offer, you didn’t get married, but you just accepted the offer and became his property. that is, he said the ring on his finger is evidence that i am his, i am his actually, i say, this is what i say, too , as i say, i'm a man. i'm a person.

how can you do with me what he wants, no, it’s impossible. he says there so i say, well, i'm with a different mentality. you must understand too. he says you accepted that i am glad, therefore, i must accept islam. there are parents in a harem, ten of these children or there, how many of them have three at least a standard, and something like that went on with me. well, that is, we went to counter such a conflict. yes i had some time, yes weddings, that's right i i understand right away, as soon as you accept the ring , we should immediately have it. this is not islam. there is one like before allah and from now on, in principle, muslims believe that you are his wife right in the mosque no, where does this happen in egypt on the road? we just signed the documents and there were documents. they misspelled my name and

were there at all. well, yes, my data is incorrect. when you agreed to this ritual, traditional for islam, you read something about it, knew something about it. i read a little, but what is said in the qur'an and what he did are two completely different things. you understood and were aware of what you were doing, but you had not yet converted to islam at that moment. yes. so good so. you had such a traditional muslim wedding. let's say. well yes. it seemed very low and ugly. yes, because after all, when you don’t tyah, this is also a rite, this is a tradition. these are some outfits , some treats, probably, and here it’s just on the road quickly, well, the documents were needed for the sake of registering the main

marriage. yes, you need to do none first and get diesel there. i mean, it was so purely formal. uh-huh well, they have everything i told his wife. no, that's it, are you already divorced or there? you don't live under the same roof for 30 days. that is, you, too, already, well, not a husband. and a wife, that is. well, convention, or something, and before this ritual you spoke with him, and your joint future, how will it look like? what does she expect from you? what are you ready for? on what is not, right so as to sit down in an adult way to talk. no, it wasn't, that is, i thought it would be. this is a fairy tale. that is i probably had such glasses arabian night, yes, and everything turned out such a sitting at home not letting out of the apartment, even to the store. i needed to come up with a good reason. why should i leave the apartment, that is , just go for a walk? no well, it's

normal so don't make women weird. here. i thought that after all i was russian and there would be some indulgence towards me. and how events unfolded. further, of course, we went to his parents in egypt and there it became more very aggressive, that is, for example, if i worked somewhere, then i didn’t have bank cards, for example, and the whole salary is there because dubai is all checks, that is, i needed to get money somehow, and he says, let's throw money on my card. and today you can pay with them at any time, but as you showed in marriage, when he wanted to pick up the card, he took it, that is, i was left without money, that is, all the money was transferred to him. i then stayed a little bit to save some cash, so that at least i had some kind of airbag

, purely for myself, what, in order to to buy tickets? well, that is, you began to invest, relatively speaking, on tickets back, or at least if i go from him, to live at least for some period of time, so that i have something to think about that such an option is generally possible, that you are leaving from him. as i understand it, yes, it was not scary, for some reason, to leave him. i wanted to live there, and now, of course, everything doesn’t live well quickly, but i was afraid. uh, i'll be back in moscow, yes, i told everyone that i had already left. and i have everything fine, that they will not accept me, back is it obvious that you didn't want to come back? uh-huh i didn't want to admit it to myself well, but you are an adult, you could, relatively speaking, not return, but move from there to mexico why did you, in principle, have an idea in your head? only either you stay, and in dubai yes, i don’t know, somewhere in egypt or you return love, an adult,

able to go further. well, obviously it was somehow slowed down for you and your brain and mind did not develop in that direction. what can you, well , you didn't like it, but got divorced and married for the mexican did not like the mexicans. married to runes. at the time, i didn't think so. now there are no such thoughts yet, i see, that's why i seem to be interested, because you came up with a fairy tale for yourself, obviously you plunged into this fairy tale and realized that this fairy tale does not suit you, but you stayed there long enough to live there. terrified either to come back and didn't like it there. psychologist sergei on himself and psychologist psychotherapist krasnovskaya, today we have guests olga and we are listening to her story. why did they run away from moscow probably some sulfur from the days to me, that is

, when he appeared, i became. a busy life, of course, but still , before it appeared, what happened in your life that you wanted to escape from? as a result, this loneliness was working, work, home, work home, well , friends, relatives, relatives. i went to study there, but for a certain period of time you already know everything, i got tired of talking about what happened before this meeting in moscow , your mood dropped, your energy of speech changed, what is happening? let's look there because that i understand that you want us to help you find the reasons for this abuse. i don’t know the reason for it in this person,

calling him a psychopath or an abuser. now it is very fashionable and how could we, of course, we can do it, but if you want to learn how to build relationships, then you will have to rewind back to the moment where you made the decision to go into a relationship with a person. what were you getting out of at that moment? what if you feel like you've been influenced by those three years? well, they probably influenced, but still for me it would be more important now to see what could make you go into it, what made you stay there for a long time. why i asked you what prevented you from leaving for another country, any other country. well, just go nowhere. i don't think there is any support. there, no one expects precisely this fear in their victim, let's call it that. because she has nowhere to go and because what she

had before she either devalues ​​or does not consider it worthy. and why do you need this support with him? support he can orient. support who you did his sister support him? mostly native, yes, the older one is better than the older one, she is 16 years older. you consulted with her when you made the decision to leave. no, i didn’t consult with anyone, but why, after all, is an english person to you, why didn’t you consult didn’t discuss this? i decided that i can

make the decision of my life myself, you really can. i didn't ask my mother. that your relationship with your older sister was also united? this is just my fantasy, but i want to ask you to think about it, having. maybe some other form? at the older sisters felt next to him something in common. i have a feeling that i owe something here and there. and what were you supposed to be a sister? i must not upset, i must do something permanent, so that she

feels good, so that yes, even just doing something around the house. that is, i can’t just be, i have to do something all the time. i can't just be the younger sister you just said a very important thing. i would like to stop there. i can't just be. what do you feel when you say it? you feel some kind of pain, because it is pain like once again returns you to that state of yours. where did you run from? and if you run away from it, then regardless of the mexican armenian, whoever it is, he will use precisely your desire to avoid. and, of course, roses on the date bed, under the moonlight, there do not know the romantic meeting in the hotel. all this is just no analgesic for the pain that was experienced.

well, yes, the most important thing today is to see it and stop running away from it. i can't just be. remember, here is a child who lives in these conditions. when did you get this feeling? as a child tell how old you are. i just remember such events in the kindergarten , i also remember when i found out that my mother was paying something for me in the kindergarten there, yes. there is also monthly. this is the fee when the child goes to kindergarten, and i had such a feeling of guilt for this, as if. in general , this is interesting from someone. i thought you just go there to play, turns out mom works

three jobs to pay me to go there. these are sisters. not sister no longer lived with them did you hear it from mom or from someone. well, i was at home, i remember. and well, one of the relatives? yes, someone said it to you. maybe someone just said, that is, i found out, it was by chance, or maybe, my mother and her friends told me that she was lying, that she needed to pay for the garden for the next month for the child. or maybe there was nothing or something else that always worked for you. there, she worked at two schools, hosted tutoring and mopped floors. that is today. i think, the lord works so hard that i would go to the kindergarten later, i can not go there.