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i don't know. today, fierce fighting continued in ukraine, and especially poland was promised additional deliveries of weapons. in ukraine , it turned out that it turns out that the ukrainians spend too many shells, and they have lack of ammunition, but here, of course, there is nothing

surprising. it's not just comments. e, on how the ukrainian army is fighting, but she says the ammunition is foreign. it represents it in the amount mainly that ukraine requests, or at least it worked like that until recently. well, that's why gratuitousness does not save too much. well, at that time, vladimir vladimirovich putin spoke in moscow at the congress of the russian union of industrialists and entrepreneurs, where he said several very important things. especially from my point of view important about the differences between friendly countries and hostile elites. let's listen. in turn, uh, such a word has entered the phrase unfriendly countries. it does not accurately reflect the existing realities and, one might say

, does not reflect at all, because, uh, we have unfriendly elites in a certain number of countries, unfriendly rulers, but the political system. uh, unfortunately, there are so many countries of the world that she, uh, often raises people to the top with uh, a fairly low level of education and general culture, sometimes do not understand what they are saying and doing, and the result is known to be, uh, their work is detrimental to their own population and their own businesses. well, this has been the case until recently. what are the elites? but in general, he managed to lead his countries , lead his media space, lead his public opinion. generally. well, i mean, in the spirit of more nato cohesion

, uh, than most of us, myself included , expected, but that's starting to change. it 's starting to change in europe and it's starting to change in the united states especially when we're talking about the opposition republican party. and especially important today, because the republicans are now, and the control of one of the houses of congress is the house of representatives and that is happening. well, if you like, a major shift in republican sentiment towards ukraine let's see how republican public opinion is changing. i have come to the conclusion that there is indeed a split between voters and sponsors in the republican party. let's see where the voters are in our last survey. we asked about the degree of support

for ukraine, which shows that 47% of supporters are republicans. in this issue, they said that the united states is giving too much help other voters republicans consider support insufficient and generally correct this data indicates a split in the republican party, but the republicans with whom anna sees a trend here 47% of voters this is a huge jump and their the number keeps growing. why is that? well, there is some wariness here, talking to voters. today the republicans say that after the withdrawal of us troops from afghanistan people. they simply stopped trusting the current military leadership. and that in general there is a feeling that the us has internal problems that need to be addressed instead of diving into foreign policy issues, although there are republicans , as you have heard, who say that there is no ukraine - this is a critical frontline we are talking about american values ​​and future interests in the usa why is this especially important,

this is not a fox channel, this is public broadcasting, which is very, very traditional in benefit the democrats and constantly support biden's administration. that is, when they give such poll results, it's not what they accept, it's wishful thinking and, uh, konstantin is very interesting to me. what is your opinion on how these shifts in washington can affect decision-making in kiev? for example, i heard such a thing while talking with my colleagues in washington, i heard such a thing. that when the biden administration thinks about the ukrainian counter-offensive, they think that it cannot be put off too much, because there is the military logic, and there is the political logic of the united states just now

. uh, as you know, there was a serious scandal with banks before those who manage american finances became a serious dilemma, but how the federal reserve system raised interest rates rather aggressively. this led to the depreciation of government papers and it turned out that the assets of a number of banks. decreased sharply in price, their shares went down and from there they began to withdraw, to a large extent , financial assets and investors began worry and take your money. well, here it is clear that e is the logic to say that in this situation it is necessary to stop. aggressive increase in discount rates, but if you do that, you hit the brakes

on economic development, and then you come to september, when the election campaign begins in earnest, you come to september. in general, with bad news regarding the economy. and that's when the question arises. ukraine and the republicans begin to say, uh, joe biden, he loves ukraine more than he loves the american voter. and we must imagine giving ukraine so much money. how much he has been given so far, therefore, in the administration and in the pentagon, they begin to read that the offensive should take place as soon as it is possible from a military point of view, as soon as there is a sufficient mass of western supplies for it is completely optional, waiting, as it were, for the ukrainians to get everything promised, or even

more so learned to use the omnipotent. do you see signs, watching ukraine , that this is the american idea of ​​the political calendar in the united states. may influence government decisions. i think that what we are now seeing in the relationship between the patron and the ally, or rather the ward, between the united states and ukraine, there is a certain nervousness in the relationship, just related to the planning of military operations , the directions of uh military strikes and, in general , the strategy for conducting further struggle. you are absolutely right, you said that if no success is achieved, and even more so if there is a defeat in ukraine, then this is the worst thing that can be expected in this case the presidential administration by the fall, when

, in fact, they will begin to cling to reading, as we usually say in the fall, they think. that's when everything that is connected with the problems of the economy, they have of course. its origins are not necessarily associated only with the operations in ukraine but also with the mistakes of economic policy with a bias say democrats who are traditionally, uh , populists and demand higher social spending and business, as a rule, are dissatisfied with the actions of democrats big business, at least, and he can present this bill closer to the election. all this will fall on the head of the biden administration, if there are no these military successes that will justify these costs, these e,

economic sacrifices. this begins to create problems , including for e. partners in ukraine because they are not really keeping up with these interests of the united states, they are today involved in the struggle for artemovsk or bakhmut, which, from the point of view of the united states, they , in general, give. to understand this clearly does not make much sense and, moreover, is a threat that in the course of this new verdun in the bakhmut area, the very units that were trained by those very commanders, those very weapons that were transferred, that could be used for a successful offensive, that are hoped for in the west and in the united states as such a demonstration of e power and the ability to strike and inflict damage on russia it begins

to resemble, generally speaking, if so an excursion into russian history, russian history, at that moment we had it communicating with ukraine between the revolutions. or two phases revolutions february october when you remember, probably from history, kerensky, to prove that russia would not withdraw from the war and was capable of conducting operations, undertook this ill-fated offensive in the summer of june of the seventeenth year and ended. this, of course, is a failure of the collapse and october of the seventeenth year. here, uh, everything. this is a quite probable development of events, but to date, not exhausted hopes are being built from a variety of assumptions. in which direction the blow will be struck is, in my opinion, very amateurish any considerations like that we have to pass through the territory of donbass to the south, everything is directed to

the south, but there are two options. like the latest expert speeches on this matter or an immediate blow, uh, in the southern direction or as a result of the development of success, that is , the territory of donbass is still going south, but everything is connected with the territory of donbass is very problematic. in my opinion , the ukrainian troops have no chance to pass through the donbass, and in this sense more. another direction is possible, but i do not want to develop this topic at all. she's too much for us presented in different sentences. i think this topic is for our general staff for our military. but we must count on the fact that we ourselves must develop our success. and for this, of course, we need to do a lot more, but i thought that you would not start from this, but start by continuing the debate around what the american drone was doing on the black sea and what are the consequences of this for

the relationship between russia and the united states. and then there are a lot of interesting observations back, but first i will ask. do you agree, uh, from the point of view, uh, mr. zatulin? well, in general, mine , which is likely to have a significant offensive or counter-offensive of the ukrainian troops in washington, they believe that this offensive will be quite large-scale , they say that several corps will be carried away. and that the main thing will not even be breakthroughs, but a significant pumping of the ukrainian armed forces of nato artillery and the provision of more long-range artillery, and, as it were, due to this and new air defense systems, they are also provided to

ukraine that ukraine will be able to deal with russian superiority, which so far has a place in tanks and of course in aviation. but somehow, as konstantin said when i hear these washington forecasts. i see for the first time an element of uncertainty. for the first time i hear an element of uncertainty about what will happen. and so, for example, with tanks until recently, as much as we heard in the first place, of course, from zelensky himself that uh abrams are leopards, that this is kind of the way, and to the tank breakthrough almost were to riga uh german style during the second world war, and now i'm saying that tanks, in general, will play a secondary role. and that there will be no such radical breakthroughs. uh, that will most likely

be step by step for ukrainians. moreover , doubts are expressed about the quality of the ukrainian army, not necessarily doubts about its motivation, but about the quality of today's ukrainian army. after a significant part of it was remo. and in the donbass, what do you expect from this offensive? if, of course, you are waiting for it at all? you know just a few minutes ago konstantin fedorovich said an important phrase to ern in a paradoxical way. indeed, it resembles such a verdun 2.0 ah, most of the military. uh, at least what can be judged from the leaks in ukraine advised the political leadership of ukraine to give the order to leave bahmud. yes, and just so that the russians stop grinding large enough, and ukrainian e reserves that are being transferred there, however, for political reasons, just like

the french could not leave verdun because it turned into a kind of symbol. now too this is ukrainian propaganda, the world propaganda blinded. as if from this and from this city , it is also such, as it were, a new erder, so they are forced to keep it, therefore it is that more and more political people interfere in the course of hostilities. uh, considerations , moreover, both those that are generated in kiev and those that are generated in washington yes, it ends. it's not often often. it ends badly, yes, and the second point, which you quite rightly said. why did they talk so much about tanks in some the moment is airplanes, well, first of all, politicians are terribly fond of. e hmm when something roars flies, and on the parade something that can be touched moves. yes, and what is easy, so to speak, is sold to voters, as a kind of like remember, we were ironic in the nineties, the kremlin

tablet, as something like that. here, you ate something and immediately everything miraculously resolved. and here, but when it comes down to it, we all see, and that there is a certain positional impasse, and it is broken first of all by long-range artillery, when and you strike at you don’t allow the second echelon, but to pull up reserves, especially when the enemy’s offensive begins. tanks are also important, they help, uh, break into defenses, but here we see, but this is the revival of the role of artillery, and that is why relativity artillery stubbornly associates large artillery with positional, not mobile warfare. yes, indeed, artillery is very important during an impositional war. but when you have artillery not from the times of the first or second world war, firing in the direction, but artillery, which is in able to convey, uh, the projectile is there on target. eh,

very targeted, then, accordingly, the role of artillery is changing, yes, and it can be an offensive weapon, and it clears everything for the offensive. lenya, or she can stop this offensive, which is why we see, including on the video that is currently playing at the studio, that the parties are actively using artillery. we know that russian artillery is stronger and that is why the ukrainians are begging for themselves by hook or by crook, and new artillery systems and, uh, new there are parties in which they are still experiencing serious shortcomings. today i listened to a speech by the well-known american military expert, an expert on russia, michael coffman, he spoke the other day in washington, and he is generally a serious and analytical person. although i do not share some of his assessments, in part.

probably because being in washington he uh let's say he is. i don't see him telling a lie. i understand that he must be careful to remain within the framework of washington e political correctness, not even because otherwise will punish, but because they simply will not listen. so, uh, coffman, he thought, what, uh? the united states should strive for success in ukraine, but should not strive for excessive success in ukraine, because if such excessive success, this is my expression, and not his, but took place, then russia could well use tactical nuclear weapons, and that if we were talking about the likelihood of a ukrainian military victory, and especially the cutting off of the crimea from russia

, in fact, the liquidation of the land bridge, then koffman’s version was, that at least those who are planning american ukrainian operations, that they should very much take into account such a possibility, and this raises a plan question in my mind. here's how to deal if you are a general mile, and the chairman of the american committee of chiefs. how to deal with situations when, on the one hand , you want your wards to win, but on the other hand, you don’t want a third world war, as you know, general miller, he exists, as if in two guises on the one hand. these are certainly professional military men, moreover, he came through officer courses, that is , in fact, through the military department. yes, on our topic, taxes and a jacket. yes, he graduated from princeton. yes, he has an excellent civilian education. hmm, and then he raised it several times, so he knows

military history very well. he knows perfectly well, ah, the potential of the russian army. by the way, he is still one of those who believe that it is necessary to maintain a dialogue. e with gerasim. yes, call him regularly. however, we must understand that this is an ally, this is an ally, there is a suspicion that calling? uh, in the tomsk way of saying, know your place, yes, let's. i'm giving you honest noble advice on this subject, actually. i understand what we are talking about later, in fact, miles are still under the very strong influence of the same narrowed person with whom he regularly meets with a deaf man, yes, a ukrainian general, and certainly. he is still a political figure, so even if he has some of his own views, and he does not agree, speaking our language, yes historical, with the party line. he still has to. and agree with her

so, as now here is this line on what, so to speak, you need to go to the bank. we need to support ukraine, we need to crush the russians. yes , it is necessary in every possible way, but to prolong this conflict, then, as it were, his personal views and his ideas are secondary in comparison. it seems to me that to some extent. this is some kind of image about tactical or any other nuclear weapons, which, in fact , it seems to me, the west and america should be afraid of . including the fact that a specially military operation really became for the russians the patriotic war. this is what it really is the nuclear situation, because russia never loses swollen wars. if there is such an upsurge, then it is not at all about using atomic energy, which is what you mean in practice. i mean, what, uh, maybe today we have not yet achieved, that is, the general idea that this is a matter of the survival of your country of your people, and you should not just send, as is

happening now, on an overgrowing scale, assistance to the front to help. whatever you can, but you must, both personally and in all respects and in relation to what is happening with you, uh, in a village or in a city, to behave, as if you were mobilized conditionally mobilized to participate in a war, this is what this unity is, which arises and a commonality of goals and the inadmissibility of any conversation about what could be what else , except for victory it seems to me that at the rational level, so to speak, we already understand this, but what is called one's own skin is a skin. if you want, far from everyone understands this, especially since yes, indeed, in the country in the city there is a normal life president speaks at the congress of the union of russian industrialists and entrepreneurs. and so on and so on and so on. but, if a situation arises when the fate of the fatherland, it is in jeopardy

, then completely different mechanisms of mobilization arise in the russian people and in russian society, which the west does not need at all and does not need at all. -some other nuclear weapons, and in the degree of unification for the sake of victory. fine? in general, i agree with everything, to be said, this is nonsense. i i know why it is very pleasant, and i am pleased that you are pleased to say, seriously. i don’t see any contradictions between what you said and the dead point of view that, uh, if it came to a choice between keeping the russian army and securing crimea and using tactical knitting, it ’s not in the interests of the united states to put russia facing this kind of dilemma, and i'll say one thing that we, in general, are increasingly

recognizing, that the big problem is russia in relations with the united states. what the decades after the cold war? americans, especially the american elite, are out of the habit. remember that russia is a nuclear superpower, that russia, if necessary, if deterrence did not work, would have other very small, desirable, but realistic options. let's listen to what the new york times has just written about this, an influential and very experienced journalist shershman. pleasant as it was to deny mr putin the pleasure of sowing panic in the west, his move was a direct reminder that the threat of nuclear war is still present, perhaps growing, and should not be lightly dismissed more than 30 years after the end of

the cold war, the threat of nuclear annihilation. just not among the biggest fears and americans. is it true that americans don't care so much about the nuclear bomb anymore? that's a different question john wolf has become a senior adviser to the global zero group advocating for the abolition of nuclear weapons and a fellow at the center for a new american security believes that there is no longer everything senators. should have known the structure of the warhead of a nuclear missile today, there are no and five senators who understand what is at stake. konstantin, this situation is the exclusion of the russian nuclear potential from the decision-making process is bad. no, this is bad, of course, we see the danger that american politicians and senators, including parasitize on e, the belief that it will never reach the extreme. and, therefore, you can do what they used to do with respect to small weaknesses, whatever

you want. here is what mr. timing in connection with the situation with the drone, what now? it is necessary to give an order to shoot down russian planes. here is senator graham of just a highly intelligent person. well, yes , i don't know if you will quote him here, but i heard today about how he spoke. in connection with this, that reagan has long been ordered to shoot down russian planes , the lie is that the regen. no matter how cool he was , he never shot down russian or soviet planes and he was a man, very cool, he was a very tough person in his rhetoric. dangerous idiot in unlike a senator he never was. well, but this, of course, can also be explained by the circumstances of the election campaign and the desire, as it were, to demonstrate that the american president is a weak democrat , it would be necessary to be cooler and the occasion just arose.

that's in connection with the fact that the american drone fell on the black sea. but the fact that they say this means that they are throwing, in general. uh, the danger of a response from the uh federation. i know, i just uh, heard today and participated in the discussions, so about, first. i want to say that we have nothing apologize to the united states. this is not us. we flew in the gulf of mexico. they are in the black sea. this is the first, even if not to speak, but in details, no one attacked this drone, no one shot at it, no one touched it. there was just a fright or some kind of failure as a result of the flight, in our plane of this drone, and it fell. but the fact that this is not a reason for us to apologize and certainly not a reason, so to speak, for the americans on this occasion to demonstrate some kind. uh, willingness to shoot down our planes. it's quite obvious, they just don't have anything in the area.

do they have been warned about it and when they warn others and conduct military operations in any part of the world e globe, then in this case any loss situation is always explained. we warned you. we told you about it exactly the same thing happened. now i just think that if this hadn’t happened, it would have happened on well, i’ll just remind you of some time during the perestroika years, when we seemed to have cloudless sugar on honey relations between the gorbachev-era soviet union and united states at the same time, the american navy decided to try us on the teeth and the american destroyer yorktan entered the territorial waters in the crimean region and then the commander of the ship found this american ship in bulk and forced this american ship out of the territorial waters, in spite of any of our wonderful relations. the same. we don't have a great relationship right now. so please, kindly

understand that you are interfering with the pilot who, uh, flew around this plane on our plane, he could not know. this drone has on its board weapons. what order did he have, he appeared there not in order to study the fauna and flora of the black sea in order to correct ukraine