i also thought so, but now i realized that let's tell ourselves, in the end, the truth. i like it this way and it's okay. can you imagine how you and i will talk at 50? yes, i represent, because i'm already saying no. this is impossible. so everyone closed the topic of age and started now here in the same cube, the refusal will be 30 years. after some. yes, i broke the garbage, because it doesn’t happen. let's not do that. eh, so-so, it's definitely 30 mum switching. look how beautiful 20 years later kostya is with you on channel one mikhailov and yuta and yegor 3128 you and i are not a single duet. well, i'll just make it to my crisis. i have songs going on right now. yes, and moreover, it is major and there are such people, like, well, you can do it for me. there are a couple of

minutes pass. yes, everything will be more normal for you there. and yes, a good analysis of the sun. i always, i always say, yes, this is a historical moment in every way. you agreed on this today at the end until the song weakened 20 years later i will stay city 312.

i may not return anymore, or maybe i will stay with you i will remain ashes on my lips stay. the plan of your hands with the breath of the wind i will remain the snow on my cheek i will remain. i am for you to restore light.

i may not return anymore, or maybe i 'll stay with you.

good day, dear viewers of channel one. i dmitry bug invite you to the next edition of the literary podcast. let them not speak, let them read. in our podcast, we speak with those who make modern literature, read modern books and classics, and wish you to read with pleasure. today we are doing this together with pavel basinsky writer and columnist. e of the russian newspaper. good afternoon pavel hello, i am very glad to see you and today we will talk about what you wrote in the past years, what you write now and if you allow, and i would start the conversation with your cycle of books about fat women. so after all, it is correct

to say a cycle of books about leo tolstoy. and not only about him, but about those who are connected with him by very close bonds or complex bonds so correctly, when i wrote the first book or in a thick one, i did not think of escape from paradise no cycle. eh, but then it happened. yes, we can say that the cycle and how many books are already already quite a lot. she considers. the first is the first place of israel, then the holy one against the lion. this tolstoy church is thick. he is kronstadt then a lion in the shade. leo is a mustache, and then i had such a short, complete biography of tolstoy leo tolstoy is a free man, which the young guard came out with. and uh true story on its knees, it turns out five five books, at the moment the last one, as now the last one at the moment. we wish new books for you - this is the true story of anna

karenina. and tell me, please, how did it happen, but you did not expect the cycle to be thick, but what played a role here. uh, such a deafening success of the first book, i’m not afraid of this word, or the inexhaustibility of lev nikolayevich’s personality that it was , probably, success also played some role, when i wrote the flight of israel, not only didn’t think about success, i didn’t think at all that this book was someone someday he will print it, and even though they don’t believe me, but the book, he says, was published in 2010. it was the centenary of the departure and death of tolstoy, i did not think that there would be 100 years. it's true, it's just a coincidence. yes, i just became interested in this topic of tolstoy's departure well , the book really had success. probably this played some role in the fact that i began to continue to write it in thick, but still not only not so much. it's just tolstoy such a figure hmm that if you take on some

topic in his life, in this case, care and death, then some new incredible interesting topics automatically pop up, while i was doing. this topic. i was interested in the topic, tolstoy's church, his conflict with the church. well, it's not new, but of course, not researched , not thought out. i would say that it is nothing new, it seems to be written about everything. and yet. every time you open you discover something new. well, i would say that everything is written, er, i dare to argue. of course, there are classic books. there boris himbab, for example, is the author of a cycle of a whole book, but i would say that tolstoy has not received such attention as dostoevsky, for example, death of the worthy. 40 books have been published, for example, 40 in one clip. shall we not offend anyone by naming any names? but speaking in general, it seems to me that there are not enough, and such fundamental

serious books, all the more understandable to the general public, i see. e hmm bulgakov e. zhdanov new is not that they did not come to eat, for example, a wonderful book. andrey zorin yes, tolstoy's life in my opinion. eh, viewed as text? yes here is the biography andrey zorin's biography yes, yes, very strongly from them. yes, that's why it appears, there are yasnaya polyana collections. dnt works in the state museum of tolstoy which is, well , probably, yes, probably, that's some kind. strong understandable tolstoyan school today, as before, it was possible, no, but i'm talking a little about something else. i'm talking about those books that, well, would help

a very large wide circle of people to take a fresh look at tolstoy, and your book was exactly like that, because i say to my student that you read pavel of basin this man loves the late tolstoy and it's very hard to love the late tolstoy, really. i think there's another point here. eh, i once thought, what is the secret of the success of tikhonov shevkunov's book, e, not saints, well, well, i wrote. yes , today the water was written by a monk. so what? and he removed the fear of monastic life from the average reader, because, well, the average person stops being in a monastery. there is something incomprehensible, something of a mystical indication. look, they are ordinary people. they are not saints. although there may be saints and uh, this was the reason. well, apart from the fact that she is

good, really reasons, the main reason. uh, here, in my opinion, success was just that. i think partly. the same thing happened with my tolstoy book because, well, people form ideas from school. that's about this some very angry gray beard. so the old people who hung him perceive him as late. for everyone , tolstoy's perception, in general of the whole world, is hmm. a gray-haired old man with beards, bushy mustaches and a very sitting look somewhere. and this kind of, so to speak, fear of this figure, and i wrote to him as a person, it turns out. mm tossed about it turns out he sinned, it turns out he had a complicated relationship with his wife, like a complicated family history, like many of us. it seems to me that this book also bribed unhappy families. they are all happy in their own way, as we know, but really, but i think there was another fear or another prejudice, but

these years, well, these years. let's clarify. it's about. uh, after anna karenina, probably, yes, the end of the seventies anna karenina published in the seventy-fifth dash 77, but the seventy-ninth eighties of the writing of the confession is such a turning point. uh, i think another important warning is that these years are perceived as crisis years and nothing more. well , this is some kind of decline, the crisis of old age, or the case of the young tolstoy who writes kazakov there war and peace and other masterpieces. and this is something that is not quite mezheochnoe. uh, ripe or overripe, isn't it? well, i think that in the minds of most people both war and peace were already written by the gray-bearded tolstoy although of course, still young. yes, e is full of energy in general and uh twenty-eighth eh, fifty-eighth thirty years 63 35, but you and i have twice

the consciousness of most people - this is how it is how he wrote the war of the world. here is such a tolstoy tolstoy here, therefore, and, of course, tolstoy after the spiritual crisis tolstoy philosophers tolstoy religious preacher and so on. and there are some fat people here. eh, some such fear is also afraid, but it’s just that there is some kind of barrier to its perception. here, he is not quite human. i would say so man. well, as if the undead, but how, yes. someone wrote that residents or such a teacher with a capital letter is sure to. here, although caricature, yes, yes, i can’t be silent. here, mm, that my vera is tyoma vera yes, what would art be like with late tolstoy as we remember, this i remind of our dear viewers, he

completely refuses to publish works of art and publishes and writes writes you also only do not publish art. why publishes basking rosna should have been published. e here and some other things on sunday was finally the ninth year. no, at the beginning. yes , at the beginning he simply refuses to write. he writes. uh, only such short stories. that's how people live and so on. uh, well, then he writes more than that, uh, this is a common mistake. that tolstoy began to write worse after the spiritual upheaval? here is tolstoy's periods of the war of the world anna karenina, this is a delusion from an artistic point of view. excuse me from the point of view of style, this is a much more refined thing, and rather than anna karenina, especially war. i

i’m not talking about their otzhimurat and father sergius and the death of ivan ilyich sunday, how would it be another sin to perceive this as really such a detailed moralizing, which is, but, yes, really sunday. this is a novel where the author stands behind the back of each character and breathes on the back of his head, you can feel it, but this one also has, uh, no, the avant-garde of this thing is definitely avant-garde, yes, because when you feel it all the time. this is the breath of the author. here you get a slightly different impression. let's say in the bath karenina rarely feels tolstoy's breath when he condemns someone or someone. oh well, sunday in this regard is interesting and things are on the avant-garde thing. it works differently, its effect can be compared, but it lets me. spectators, but with

the impact of a black square compared to raphael's madonnas, we find it difficult to love him, like mmm something attractive beautiful graceful. yes, probably so. well, probably, yes, although it seems to me that katyusha maslova can, but you can love, i don’t know, yes, yes, well, we know that leaving - this is not only the departure from yasnaya polyana, uh, in the fall of 910-1910, but this departure is what is the main thing for almost all the main characters of tolstoy, this is deer in the story cossacks and andrei bolkonsky of course and uh hmm prosecutor golovin in the story about the death of ivan ilyich and their lyuda v. of course they leave their usual life. this is what scopism is. yes flight, i would say, not even leaving. but it is precisely escape that is not the same as escape

from problems. rather, run away from yourself, from yourself. what happens to father sergius, what happens to the deer cossacks. uh, what's going on with pierre bezukhov and balcony? yes, with anyone, with anyone from his main e, all his main characters, and the second - it was tolstoy's hmm. it's me. here i found out in the process, as it were , of studying his biography, which is very important tolstoy dreamed of without changing, in general, uh, mask. here, not just get away from yourself, but live under a different name. yes, no one knew who he was, as a result, bulletins appear in the newspapers. yes, he is running he thinks that he disappeared in the third grade, he goes mixed with the people, a in the newspaper, journalists write that leo tolstoy is at such and such a station for such a thing. yes, perhaps, therefore, therefore father sergius. yes, therefore , unfinished death.

notes of startsev fyodor kuzmich this is a legend that alexander i did not die in taganrog, which means, and he changed his body began in siberia, tolstoy knew, of course , that this is a legend, but she was interested in him once he became her, how would this fake in general- it is important to embody artistically. this is what interested him. fedya protasov yes, what is this efficiency of a corpse, yes, effective suicide, how would you live, but everyone thinks that you are gone. you live somewhere under some other name, and anna karenina , of course, warmed him. this is an idea. that warmed this idea, perhaps it was due in many respects to this. is it possible after all, the most important thing hmm