she is not a psychologist but still it will turn out because of other alien genes. an alien child or your own child. well, listen, i don’t have dog genes, and our dog will completely devour me and in fact, in fact, i didn’t really joke right now, because besides genes there is also, uh, a phenomenon described by john bolbe and not only by him, but by psychological attachment, which formed between mother and child. the point here is that it is an attachment. it is formed on both sides, not only women or men parents conditionally, yes, it is attached to the object, but also, a child, a dog, a kitten, native or not native, he also binds in response, and such a two-way connection. she is strong enough and i don’t know if she is less or more powerful than genetic, maybe even more, in fact, this topic is revealed in the series, maybe even in more detail than the topic of surrogate motherhood. it's like a teenager. anya becomes attached, then, allegedly to her sister, but in

fact to her mother, then to one friend, then to another a teenager is going, looking for an adult. this is also a metaphor. actually the child of the searching parent. yes, but uh, i want to. eh, you know recall also that we are talking about technological breakthrough a and about the series, which reflects new technologies that can radically change the basic society of childbearing. but, uh, the idea of ​​surrogate motherhood did not appear yesterday, and not even in the last century. no, there are still biblical stories, the wife did not give birth to a slave yes, she gave birth to a slave, well, there society, by the way, it was quite ancient , such a case is described in the bible, there is this story, but in principle, it was not uncommon. this is not only a single, biblical, story there, but in in ancient rome, a husband could sell a childbearing young wife for a while, and in order for her

to bear a child for someone for a fee. yes, she returned home. it was like working. that is, it, uh, looked like an act, again, well, trading in a certain sense of the human body and as an act of great love and uh sacrifice, when uh a woman, uh, a friend’s sister or just another unfamiliar woman, but sacrificed herself for the sake of her motherhood. well, there are not only victims there, but these slaves don’t particularly ask how it is in the series the story of the servant, but here it is important to understand that from the point of view of antiquity of the ages. their genetics is local, uh, concentrated on the dna of the father, that is , the paternal dna that there rely economic background. ah,

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actions no longer help to cope with anxiety and insomnia four weeks for the most pronounced action. with you and i, its leading grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of a popular science journal, and svetlanov, a psychotherapist, is our guest. well, and my wife. well, and most importantly, during the preparation of this podcast, not a single kotik was injured, probably, we continue now about the owners of the services workers. now it's more difficult. that's who the servant is, who's the master, let's say, when i go to the doctor. he is not my servant. rather,

on the contrary, he is now leading high. although he does not provide a service when the salary is paid. yeah well, i'm in the servant, too, i pay a salary there to the butler of the maid, if i had butler maids, i call the plumber. he seems to be lower in social class, but you can’t look at the plumber. they go far away in a good car, which you and i never dreamed of. this is a person providing a service. listen, but the truth is, uh, caste and such orthodoxy in society, yes, the division that was orthodox and uh, clearly defined by the past or how it fell off. well, in fact, now it hasn’t fallen off in any way, our human nature, built on the dominant. and on the hierarchy of plumbing, and you are the dominants, as they were, so they are. thank you thank you and a question. who has more raspberry ass, it remains relevant. and what then, what now, yes, society

, the social pattern of society is changing, but raspberry assholes are a priority in this sense too you still need to dominate somehow, even if there are no slaves and the lord, but there are different social ones, you say different social statuses. yes? there are different financial status. and again, yes, we define this inequality. as you say serves or does not serve. uh, well, in this case , more crimson ass. someone who has a lot of money, but you can also draw this more crimson ass. a completely different character, for example, make a dominant surrogate mother. ah, well, it’s a very simple woman who can’t give birth herself, she, i now i’m talking about anti-utopia, within the framework of anti-utopia such, but anti-manic. things as a thought experiment so that it doesn't hurt any uh, viewer. uh, i mean, insulting feelings. ah, for example, yes, a woman who cannot give birth, she is socially

hierarchically lower, which, by the way, does not contradict the evolution of biology, because a monkey who cannot give birth to monkeys occupies lower positions in a hierarchical society has, uh, fewer bananas and nuts and, accordingly , she is beaten much more often only she gives birth to her, uh, social growth in front of her eyes, and this is profitable and the more she gives birth, the more high-ranked male, the higher she rises. yeah, imagine the woman that my mom is slicing, that's also a woman, that's a specialist woman that can give birth, especially in our society where, uh, infertility is constantly on the rise and numbers that point to infertile couples, uh, at every conference on every symposium is just amazing, uh, listeners. uh, in this sense, a surrogate mother is, firstly, an expert high-class such, uh, astronaut, in fact, in childbearing, who deliver the child to

the couple and then. uh, if we have a dominant, a crimson ass built differently, we shift it. from one place to another we have a high-ranking navigator and low-ranking, uh, lying at his feet, trying to get her attention with money or something else or real lines of women who, due to the fact that they are fruitlessly on more low special place. it seems to me that you can beautifully invent a whole dystopia plot. it seems to me that they did it for the creators of the series. i just showed you now that the issue of inequality is solved by where the dominant is. and the dominant can be placed virtually anywhere, but look, we still have it. is such a utopia less realistic than the reverse? why do women often lose prestigious places, for example, sciences, having equal starts due to the fact that they left to give birth, but in our country, the truth is that society is mostly patriarchal and there is really complete equality in

high positions, such as science and management some, well, there is no really complete equality. it's true, it's still waking up in me, young karl marx. isn't there exploitation in this, well, to a certain extent there is and i think it is connected with it yes that there is a certain task and roles for a man and for women and uh, u us from a historical point of view. only yesterday the diskus started about the fact that a woman has equal rights. uh, a man and an equal partner for a man, and not his servants, a uterus on legs and so on, that is, in this sense it is comforted, but in this sense there is pretty unambiguous. the point of view, which is held by representatives of the feminist movement of the third wave , that surrogate motherhood is unacceptable, in principle, just from the point of view of the objectification and use of the female body for such a utilitarian use.

yes, ah, and in this regard, yes, this is the role from which a woman cannot get out for centuries , including, because inside it is also integrated e, these stories are about the fact that she did not give birth defectively. yes, you won’t give birth there , they will throw you out of marriage from the city and family out of life anything at all. she, of course, can provoke the acquisition of a child at any cost and the offer of such a service, as usual, because, if there is a demand to obtain a child, yes, then there will be an offer, and women who are in difficult life situations, and in this sense. yes, there is another line of relations in society. e. only in surrogate motherhood is actually like prostitution, as in the trade of love in people and the trade in one's own body. and when the body is literally rented out, even the name of the series is a container. yes it reflects. in a sense, this point of view, that some complex one is simply

sitting, the mother of the heroine is screaming, you are a prostitute. you are a whore. here, how do you respond? is this our answer? well, in this sense , the mother wants to support the throat, generally fine. this is a heroine game. it's just, uh, beyond praise, because you want to, uh, start fighting her at some point, and she plays great. yes, but still you want to ask me what i think, i'm prostitution - is it or not? no, i don't think it's prostitution, but i think it's this is a very difficult episode for a woman. and well, contempt and some sort of disobedience of these women, but other countries prohibit commercial surrogacy for money, but you can almost do it for free when this service, yes, service to the victim. it seems to me that it only makes sense. i'm sorry, but today i'll get off abstrusely only the meaning,

which is interrupting the meaning of childbearing. it can help to leave the intact psyche to the same surrogate mother. that is, if she believes in her service, and it is more valuable to her than the function of being born somewhere. actually, where she wore she gave birth , she gave birth, but this is the meaning that came out. he can help her survive. eventually. yes, she didn’t just, uh, she passed , she gave away the torment. well, i got the money. and what a great thing she did happens. in general , it's okay. you know, there is a concept. uh, in some countries social sex is now emerging. what kind of social is it like this when it's a fine line? yes, this is not considered prostitution, when for people who cannot get an ex, for example, there are ah-ah disabled people or there are people who they face a number of difficulties they cannot find partners they miss this cause they are not necessarily disabled they can seek solace in such uh, without uh

disinterested u sex workers who are not for money, but in order to console , hug, stay and restore human dignity, related sex have sex with them. well, such a treatment of the soul through the body. speaking with pathos, well , in fact, in my opinion, the woman has a story when the first world war and a young almost noblewoman girl gets e as a nurse in hospital. and he is expelled from there, because there was sex with a wounded man and explaining to the doctor. he says that even if the most scruffy, most vile man were in his place, i would still give myself up, because they returned from the front. they are wounded, they can die at any moment, but this is actually, this is not the only such form of service, true well, look how we are talking about extreme points, if the middle, well, firstly, let's not reduce everything to women's ministry. i remember classical literature

one episode of the strugatsky e. about a young handsome officer who returned from the front in orders. e, black-haired broad-shouldered and he was always seen in the company of very dubious ugly often not young women and friends asked under a glass, what are you, you are an enviable groom, especially when there are few men. he says, i spend some time with them , some kind of joy. they had it, because no one will find a man for himself after the war , here a man turns himself into an object for him. uh, that happens too, he turns himself into grisha's object, but this object is illuminated with a meaning for it, anything you can find somewhere, the higher meaning will work. it seems to me that such hot topics as surrogate motherhood are. eco, uh, there's a social section and stuff like that , these ones that are on the verge. yes, on the one hand they break very strongly. cultural and historical context, which has evolved over the centuries.

sorry, yes, on the other hand, these facts have been in history for centuries too. yes, we are standing on a very thin line. i think it's about the size of a large kitchen knife, but you can do not cut meat, but you can kill a person. energy, well, in general, yes. here, probably, the question is not about the phenomenon. e most surrogate motherhood. and about how we use it in private history or in social history in general, because here you are, after all, today in the role of such a boring lecturer. yes, everything is different at home, dear listeners. we have it the other way around. i'm actually the smartest. she's a chicken there . here are the heroes complete ass. sorry for the existential crisis, of course, responsibility. here, as if exactly how we would choose here. and depending on what scenario we have. do you

mean eco uh, or back to motherhood, because we are driven by marina i fantasize about. uh, that i would tell the child everything and maintain relations with the surrogate mother, i fantasize that if we were lucky , the surrogate mother would turn out to be a fairly adequate person. she would be in a sense, a kindred who would be in walking in family, and out of jealousy i would not have plucked her hair at the hearing. and i know that skeletons are like a psychologist. yes, i know that the skeletons in the closet, and such complex stories. hmm. they have very, uh, big consequences for the family system as a whole for the fate of a particular person. in particular. i have seen such things many times. i could turn off my cover and turn on a psychologist, turning off my jealous mother. you know, uh, theoretically. yes, but practically. i understand that, uh, a lot depends on whether we can get along with her, yes, here,

like two people. well, here i'm not the only one building contact, let's say i could, maybe i couldn't. well, by the way, another variant of the situation with two mothers, the so-called mitochondrial mothers, has now appeared. let me remind you that we have genes in the nucleus and a little bit of genes are in the mitochondria of our cells and some hereditary diseases are associated specifically with mitochondria. and scientists, and not in america. although the couple is american, but the americans did not allow it, in my opinion, they still have a clinic in mexico, in my opinion, some one did this they made a child who has the genes of one woman in the nucleus, well, naturally, along with the genes of a man, and the mitochondria of another woman , the concept of mitochondrial appeared a little parallel with the nuclear mother , there is also the same, yes, but in fact, if it already seems to me what - you get involved in a vykol or in

some more complex ones. e technology. if you decide on this, then it is necessary. it seems to me that they accept the consequences, they try to cut them off and throw them out the window. and this is my opinion. like a psychologist. first of all. yes, as a person, too. after all, we were with you too. the experience of trying, but getting a child. yes, that's all the time forces with the clinic. unfortunately, both experiences were married. success. yes, but at some point we decided not to try again. come on, my position, if you want my opinion, that, of course, genes are wonderful, but it is so important how a person grows, with whom he grows. and then there's the obsession with genes. we are through. it's not clear and there is an episode in the series a little spoiler a little bit at all, when one of the heroines finds out that her sister. actually her mother. uh-huh and the girl is shocked girl in a panic. so i was sure that girls would have a completely different reaction at 14

years old. well, you still have brains. and that's what he would have the reaction was the sister became. mom, what's the difference? we lived together, lived together, understood each other, and it often happens that a child lives with an aunt, they understand each other better. they understand better, look , i wanted to finish than and we stopped, in part, because these technologies. uh, no matter how they are about and no matter how much they give hope, it's true, they are progressive give hope and they still, well are quite expensive for health, and at some point. uh, if a woman uses a couple, a man together with a woman makes this decision with what technologies? ah, at some point, there comes a line beyond which, uh, it's too expensive in terms of health , waiting for some kind of mental cost.

and here's what you're talking about the influence of the environment. i'm using the possibilities of adopted children here. well, and i, therefore, am not afraid of foster children. i 'm ready for this because i certainly believe in genetics in a way, but in general i i understand that the influence of light is much stronger and in the end igor considers me his father. although how old he was when we met nine, in my opinion, eight eight, that is, he is a biologist. the son of another man of another man and you, but at the same time he has my habits, my gestures. it seems to me that in part, my political views are my views on life, and then we, uh, all of us come with you. eventually. yes, to the fact that i already said 3 m earlier about the fact that the formation of attachment, and not just environmental ones. uh, factors. yes, but in principle, the formation of attachment often determines, including

the psychological status of a person, and including this genetic connection, mine is not mine, when i look at the facial features, they are not mine. yes , but something comes to me through attachment. that is, i make mine, and then we facial features begin to change in your direction. agree. you look like me. yes? i think that if we ever decide to adopt a child, he will be like us. i am also sure of this, even if he is genetically, and he if it is established, it will not genetically have to them. i think with you will always win any genetics. no, the task of fighting people is genetics. i would rather unite. this is good. i think it's time to end our podcast on this note . this is a schlötdinger code podcast and hosted by grigory tarasevich, a popular science journalist, editor of the kotodinger magazine and our today's guest, svetlana karlovich, a psychologist , a psychotherapist, and my wife.

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the sky will be able to miss the day, the more i almost. i lost you. it was just incredible, in general this track played. i have e for several months. now i heard it live. it's so cool girls, because this is not the format of the place where hearts connect.

i am with you valya karnaval and the most amazing presenters anton lavrentiev and karina cross, as well as jeepsie-bang and today we have guests igor sarukhanov and anton tokarev anton igor look at each other camera. i think there is a slight similarity in the hairstyle. you think really the same hairstyles, everything is good. if if made me happy, well, if you just let go of the hair a little, then i think that just the same, if you let go and do as i say, then it will be like mine. tell me, explain it. i'm now yes, i already said, please, our time, i'll go

well, so you dip your head into the water, then you put it. here's a towel over here so it's all dripping. but when you dipped, in this position with a comb, with such a comb. you comb your hair. i say this because i had hair. these are and these are after the ridge, they should not fall on you towel and dry. so, they will turn into such springs for you. uh huh i also did some oils that hold back or how how to hold yes structure and that's it and it will be like this, well you won't do it or not? igor wants to be told the recipe for really fantastic hair. but this is so this is the way the audience is, for example, with them. uh, valya or karina brought it, which, in principle, to the audience is a young audience that looks more at the phone screen than at the tv screen. thought it was off, that is

hair stylist. and you are cool, and you are me yes, i wanted to say that they do not know me that's why i would like to kick. i wanted to introduce them to those songs that you do green eyes. this is actually my favorite song. play well, of course, suddenly something that he wants again , the guitarist is joking with me. they write their songs only to those whom other people are bad, so everything is fine a little bit. where can i meet? now i ask, if you can, forgive me and that's it, as luck would have it against us, we can't get away from this, abandoned garden he was empty like a farewell kid and one of us did not dare to enter this fairy garden. green eyes tear in place

green eyes i hate hate. believe boat swim. i wish you would like to know what your secret is in a secret that no one knows, neither i nor makar nor sting anyone. i don’t even want to know where the melody comes from in my head, it somehow appears, but i think that the lord god sends, but because without suffering for 10-15 minutes a melody appears and

is put on it from the elements. and there is some kind of everything the place in the house where it most often appears. you had some kind of cunning intent that there would be a lot of listening to these songs. but it really brought this song closer, and to us to the young. the guys are now listening to everything in a new way. this is very cool. this is a big success. how it happened, in short, i read the text and thought that it was super depressive right. you know, this is give me back my 2007. well, you probably didn’t force you to have this bangs account opened. and well, i have some love, the way we all are there in our teens. when i was older, i went to all these concerts, and i wanted, uh, to have the lyrics match the music. and so i decided to make this type of new reading of the song, as we said earlier, and not in format, this is a platform, where and not, e is a place of conflicts and we already understood that you both declared yourself there are millions of listening to your songs at the moment

in general, the whole country sings. valya there are also billions. they just don't eat right away. i know all this. i have a flash poll. uh, 7 seconds. you must answer, and you agree to each of the questions. well, to each individually, or i 'll show everything now. look, they've already brought it to me. i have these cards. uh, a cool thing is called a phone, by the way, thanks to it, i became popular. and i have a stopwatch on my phone. so anton are you ready, let's start with you. you have exactly 7 seconds to answer the question so let's go once two three favorite arctic foxes, and this is shiran, the less rain ray charles and now my question is the same question, yes, three favorite singers are chasing. what are you doing i've never been in such company

turn out, i'm a streamer. this is some very strange corporate party, damn it, i really like it. the next cool artist drove. ah, responsibility performance. eh, talent is love for what he does, and most importantly, this is the ultimate. you lose? so the same top question, five qualities of a cool artist, drove the ability to love men hard work and of course, god of conduct. uh, good luck and constant practice on your instrument. super. 8 seconds 8 seconds, so the rules igor now immediately starts the question for you. so one, two three three friends and

show business. yeah lyosha chumakov lenya agutin super 5 seconds. by the way, now they introduced the price, but tell us a little about it. it was called a tv shooting. yes, star rain. for a long time, 80 in some terry ninth or eighth year, and every famous artist had to bring a young artist to the stage. so i got lenya, we really played the guitars very well backstage before the release before the start of this program. well, that's how we've been friends with him since then , it's so nice to listen to such stories when i'm even in the project did not have. i have a feeling that i am being introduced into the past, i am not surprised that when you were not in the project, something was happening on earth. it's always so interesting, it's very interesting. so the same question three friends and show business. let's go anton. this one is beautiful and vika is a warehouseman. and i and here he sits, that we

won. take what they give 3 seconds, and the very last question. i'll start with you anton so let's go to the top 3 brightest and most long-awaited events over the past year. we had a concert. e in belarus it was very cool. uh, then uh new year. eh, and let it be a birthday because the time goes by different cool every time and igor the same question for you top three bright and most long-awaited events over the past year revived the krug group after oblivion recorded a whole album of twelve songs and got married at the end. for some reason, i didn’t sing at your wedding guys, i’ll say, a very interesting fact, the seventh time. you got married is interesting. how old are you?

they can't do it once, which is interesting. question questions is interesting, and manya in such a way that some men do not take can not take the courage and responsibility. she asked to know. of course, that's why there was such a question is to say, wait. no, from the male side i will meet with me, so i am up to thirty- eight years old. yes, i was single and in that one and now up to 38 years old. i am i. i had a clear inner state that if i get married, i marry only once and, uh, for me it was,

really, an act, just an act. well, i had such a cockroach, you know, everyone has them, but there is a drawback. every person. yes, but i have such a disadvantage that they do not i can see a person immediately it seemed to me. what yes it is. well , let's say i tell her, come on, wait, wait, my dad always said, well, let's say i'm just after my dad. well, he has never been. and the wife is even on my mom here, but he always, but i'm not dad, now a bitch, damn it. well, like so many beautiful women, and i'm such a brilliant one. that's what he always said. it's just that i'm interested in the point of view. so you took responsibility. well, i mean, you knew about it. yes. i want to know what is when such a concept did not exist. this happens to everyone . well, it happens to you right six times, but i have yes, well, with a big uh with a lot of

dressing up. very large periodically, that is, years. i know, i'm 100% sure, if seven women said yes. are you sure you know how to get around what today? there are no years, what we know about the legalization of young people now there are problems with communication, well, teenagers between teenagers over 18 are difficult to get acquainted with. and i'm thinking uh, we have a uh music podcast. uh, such a challenge i came up with how to with the help of a song to roll up, and to different ones to roll up. and yes, well, say, yes, immediately put, well, arrange a ride, i'm in modern slang. let's charm. both girls, how do you like it? here's whatever song for example, housewives. wow, your direct

fidelity is not enough for me. you are in the way of your tenderness. wow, joys are drawn by fate and only you bewitched the next one came up to you right away. and valya you have a phone right next to you. hi all. for a today look who's next to me. we have challenge a and put likes, write comments. look which one. it's not me, if anything, the sky she went. write freedom in the heart of a pair of sails and at the earth's shore on the edge of love. you tell him by the word boat float boat float on only about love. don't

tell me boat, swim and don't need a few words on the river of love. and a couple of court, just bloggers woman bloggers, she is restless perfect, it fits perfectly and now another one. ah, let's say, so the type of images of a woman. and i have no time. give me, please, here. yes, yes, yes, what do you need? no, i don't even have time to talk to you. no time. i don't even want to hear. what's the phone number, what's the phone number? i don't have no free time, write down yes, yes, olechka write me down, please, for a yes, yes, there is no time. they got me unnoticed, as it

happens. and already from four hands, everyone calls my mother grandmother and more and more often my father worries, although he pretends that there is no heart weapon for me to be healthy than the hearts of these two old men for my dear old people sake. i will kiss you now my young old people. we'll still catch more. dear thoughts, give i admire young my hundred. rick, we're still fighting just super. oh, very cool. very cool. we want to give you a present. yes, because

after all, it is always customary to make gifts for a wedding. and what you can give the best is a song and we want to give you your song performed by antonov maybe with me not on the way back. you wait now i wish you the brightest one. i wish you from a thousand suns.